SBF-Ross Ulbricht

[El duderino_]

The line between people ending up in prison for long time or just not is so thin in a world of scams, being open minded etc...
Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

[Edwardard]

Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

Both of them deserve equal punishment. Life imprisonment is the best for both.
But if you ask me personally, silk road was more deadly than ftx, many might have different opinions though I heard Ross was even involved in crimes like "paying for murders"?!

[El duderino_]

Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

Both of them deserve equal punishment. Life imprisonment is the best for both.
But if you ask me personally, silk road was more deadly than ftx, many might have different opinions though I heard Ross was even involved in crimes like "paying for murders"?!

That’s what the movie Silk Road told us, but would it be truth?

[YOSHIE]

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

Isn't the level of crime committed by Ross Ulbricht, can't be compromised anymore.

Making small talk with cannabis dealers sucks. Buying cocaine can get you shot. What if you could sell drugs online like books or light bulbs? Now you can do it: Welcome to the Silk Road.”

This report stated that there were hundreds of items of goods being sold at that time, including marijuana, ecstasy, heroin, LSD, to dry Afghan straw. On the other hand, its terms of service prohibit the sale of “anything whose purpose is to harm or deceive, such as stolen credit cards, homicide and weapons of mass destruction.

If this is the goal, Ross Ulbricht, it's time to end it all.

no trade-off, Ross Ulbricht, who should be in jail.

[electronicash]

Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

Both of them deserve equal punishment. Life imprisonment is the best for both.
But if you ask me personally, silk road was more deadly than ftx, many might have different opinions though I heard Ross was even involved in crimes like "paying for murders"?!

That’s what the movie Silk Road told us, but would it be truth?

i saw the documentary about it. it could be that it's just the story they tell.
the issue with Ross is that with Silkroad market going on, it's making the authorities powerless so they have to take him down. freeing him will also make people think the penalty is nothing.

but sure i will still vote for him to be free since he created something unique than FTX.

[dkbit98]

Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

We live in a clown world and everything has reversed logic here.
I don't think Ross Ulbricht will ever be released, and I wouldn't be surprised to see SBF released or someone to ''suicide'' him in prison like Epstein.
I certainly don't think Ross Ulbricht deserves multiple lifetime sentences for creating a website, we know corrupt government officials stole BTC in that case, and Ross was framed for many things.
Never trust anything government or msm is telling you about Ross Ulbricht case or with anything else, they always have some hidden motives or they want to give an example to people.
What can I say about big nose SBF, he is a punk junky who openly worked with politicians and government, but I really can't compare this two cases.

[decodx]

It's only fair that criminals get what's coming to them for their actions, but unfortunately, life isn't always fair, and neither is the legal system. Especially when politics are involved.

The Ulbricht case involved a significant amount of political influence and it appears that politics also play a role in the SBF case. However, the difference is that last time the politics worked against the accused, this time it looks like it might be working for him.

[El duderino_]

Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

We live in a clown world and everything has reversed logic here.
I don't think Ross Ulbricht will ever be released, and I wouldn't be surprised to see SBF released or someone to ''suicide'' him in prison like Epstein.
I certainly don't think Ross Ulbricht deserves multiple lifetime sentences for creating a website, we know corrupt government officials stole BTC in that case, and Ross was framed for many things.
Never trust anything government or msm is telling you about Ross Ulbricht case or with anything else, they always have some hidden motives or they want to give an example to people.
What can I say about big nose SBF, he is a punk junky who openly worked with politicians and government, but I really can't compare this two cases.

They cannot be compared, but its illogical one is in prison and one is free... If Ross payed for killing, then he should be in prison... for the rest I can see something which started with a good idea, with a lot of freedom etc ....
SBF is a scam from the start and we will never know what exactly happened with politicians etc but for sure a lot happened which hurt lots of people

[Sarah Azhari]

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

If both still can operate the project in prison, then they must shut down it. Many people and I also think that criminals (like them) have VIP facilitation in jail to operate old jobs. I have to think like that because, In our country, it's not something strange if criminals still can manage drugs in the jails. The criminal can supply millions of ecstasy pills in collaboration with the warder.

[stompix]

They cannot be compared, but its illogical one is in prison and one is free...

Madoff was also released on bail and everyone was saying the same thing, why was he released, politics, he is worse than criminals. Then he got a 150 years prison sentence and died in prison! So why don't we wait first to see how SBF's trial ends and then compare how each was judged and punished (if!).

 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I certainly don't think Ross Ulbricht deserves multiple lifetime sentences for creating a website, we know corrupt government officials stole BTC in that case, and Ross was framed for many things.

I've read this thread up to this point and haven't seen anything mentioned about the hit he put out on someone.  I've only learned about the case through the few bitcoin documentaries I've watched that he was featured in, so I'm not sure what's true.  But if indeed he was trying to have someone killed, I think he ought to have gotten life with the possibility of parole at the worst.  Silk Road?  Yep, drugs are illegal but I've got my own opinions as to the fairness of the laws dealing with them.

So no, in no case should Ross Ulbricht never have the chance for parole.  That's ridiculous to me, but then again the US justice system is completely fucked from top to bottom, so what do you expect?

As far as SBF goes, he doesn't deserve a sentence that's even close to RU.  I don't know all the facts of the case, but in the end it's money we're talking about, a white collar crime.  There's no way a LWOP sentence should be handed down.

[ABCbits]

Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

I agree with other member that both belong in prison. But IMO it's more important to ask how long they should be in prison. Some people believe Ross shouldn't receive lifetime imprisonment and they even make website about it at https://freeross.org/. Meanwhile SBF action also caused at least $3.1 billion loss and some investor suffer major loss or even consider to suicide.

[nutildah]

I've read this thread up to this point and haven't seen anything mentioned about the hit he put out on someone.  

The idea of the hit was suggested to him by an undercover agent who was eventually exposed as corrupt. He wasn't actually charged for this although apparently there was evidence introduced during his trial that supported that it happened and it weighed in the judge's decision to give him life in prison. Nobody was ever actually murdered, he was just scammed by fake hitmen.

I think Ross could definitely do good outside of jail. Let him run a counseling program for wayward youths or give him his own YouTube channel. Something. Hopefully he will eventually be pardoned.

SBF on the other hand deserves to be in jail but for entirely separate reasons. His family is extremely wealthy and apparently a lot of political donations he made are paying off so he may never actually see a day in jail.

[NotATether]

The idea of the hit was suggested to him by an undercover agent who was eventually exposed as corrupt. He wasn't actually charged for this although apparently there was evidence introduced during his trial that supported that it happened and it weighed in the judge's decision to give him life in prison. Nobody was ever actually murdered, he was just scammed by fake hitmen.

I think Ross could definitely do good outside of jail. Let him run a counseling program for wayward youths or give him his own YouTube channel. Something. Hopefully he will eventually be pardoned.

SBF on the other hand deserves to be in jail but for entirely separate reasons. His family is extremely wealthy and apparently a lot of political donations he made are paying off so he may never actually see a day in jail.

Ross doesn't deserve to be in jail. #FreeRoss

This clusterfuck of a businessguy on the other hand, should get minimum 100 years in jail, if not a life sentence.

A befitting sentence for him to emulate Madoff, considering that he screwed over like 1% of the planet at this point.

[El duderino_]

I certainly don't think Ross Ulbricht deserves multiple lifetime sentences for creating a website, we know corrupt government officials stole BTC in that case, and Ross was framed for many things.

I've read this thread up to this point and haven't seen anything mentioned about the hit he put out on someone.  I've only learned about the case through the few bitcoin documentaries I've watched that he was featured in, so I'm not sure what's true.  But if indeed he was trying to have someone killed, I think he ought to have gotten life with the possibility of parole at the worst.  Silk Road?  Yep, drugs are illegal but I've got my own opinions as to the fairness of the laws dealing with them.

So no, in no case should Ross Ulbricht never have the chance for parole.  That's ridiculous to me, but then again the US justice system is completely fucked from top to bottom, so what do you expect?

As far as SBF goes, he doesn't deserve a sentence that's even close to RU.  I don't know all the facts of the case, but in the end it's money we're talking about, a white collar crime.  There's no way a LWOP sentence should be handed down.

Its been mentioned in here, also I only saw it on Movie etc....

[DireWolfM14]

DPR was a patsy and a victim of entrapment.  SBF bilked billions from average people, walked into court carrying a stuffed backpack, and walks out (without the backpack) and has his trial postponed for 10 months.  There's nothing right about any of this.  The US government is the most corrupt it's ever been.  The CIA being involved in Kennedy's assassination is small potatoes in comparison to the outlandish subterfuge the swamp gets away with these days.  This corruption dates back to the 90's and every president since (with the exception of Trump) is culpable.  And to make matters worse, there's little to no scrutiny, skepticism, or critical thinking from the general public.  Most of us are drinking the Cool Aid.  

Just off the top of my head, here's a brief list of swamp rats attacking their political enemies, shielding their super donors, and other evidence of mass corruption enriching and empowering the swamp:

• Trump's alleged Russian collusion
• Senior FBI officials actually colluding with Russia
• Trump's alleged Ukrainian collusion
• The Military Industrial Complex telling us it's immoral not to collude with Ukraine
• The Climate Industrial Complex enriching China wile they strip mine lithium which contributes to carbon emissions
• China's decimation of the Amazonian rain forest (remember when that was evil?  Now it's not even talked about)
• Gretchen Whitmer's alleged kidnapping attempt which turned out to be an FBI entrapment attempt
• Jan-6 rioters rotting in prison (some without trial) for two years
• Black Lives Matter getting rich off of tragedies that are politically convenient
• Edward Snowden ostracized for exposing the government for spying on it's own citizens
• Julian Assange ostracized for reporting on government corruption and unauthorized military actions
• Bradley Manning honored for getting US solders killed (or "changing" his gender, I don't know)
• Jeffery Epstein beating child-sex trafficking charges
• Jeffery Epstein's "suicide" before he can face child-sex trafficking charges again and expose who-knows-what about we know who
• The Mainstream Media's lies, obfuscation, lies, omissions, lies, distractions, and more lies

If the US Federal government announced that the sky is blue, I would be suspicious that it is anything but blue.

[dkbit98]

They cannot be compared, but its illogical one is in prison and one is free... If Ross payed for killing, then he should be in prison... for the rest I can see something which started with a good idea, with a lot of freedom etc ....
SBF is a scam from the start and we will never know what exactly happened with politicians etc but for sure a lot happened which hurt lots of people

Like I said, there is nothing logical in this clown world, especially if you are watching mainstream brainwashing all the time.
If you tell the truth exposing politician and governments like some people did in past, they could end up in prison, get killed and ridiculed in movies.
If you lie, cheat and steal nothing will happen with you if you have connection with powerful people, you can even end up as a senile puppet president
Research origin of SBF and his family, that will help you understand why he and his case is so different from  Ross Ulbricht.

If the US Federal government announced that the sky is blue, I would be suspicious that it is anything but blue.

It's circus show with ^(almost) all governments around the world... sad thing is that many people still believe all their bullshit.

[LDL]

At a glance Ross Ulbricht Criminal Offensive & Punishment

Darknet Market/Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht caused one of the worst incidents in Bitcoin's history early on.  The government seized 70,000 BTC from him at the time, which at the time had a market value of $1 billion.
Ross Ulbricht founded Silk Road in 2011 and the website was shut down by the government after his arrest in 2015 after two years of running Silk Road criminal activities.

Criminals investigation Offensed following Convinced against Ross Ulbricht

• Engaging in a continuing Criminal Enterprise
• Distributing Narcotics
• Distributing Narcotics by means of the internet
• Money laundering
• Conspiring to traffic to False identity
• Conspiring to Commit Computer Hacking

Criminal Punishment
Court sentenced him to two life terms plus 40 years in prison without bail for the above offenses and assessed a fine of $183961921.

At a glance SBF Criminals offensive & Punishment

Who doesn't know about FTX founder SAM BANKMAN-FRIED who happened in 2022.  He was arrested and sentenced to 115 years in prison for property fraud and many other crimes.  But he was released on a $250M bond on a special plea deal, with the condition that he spend life under house arrest with his family.

Criminal Offensive by Court

• Wire Fraud
• Commodities Fraud
• Securities Fraud
• Money laundering
• Campaign Finance law Violations

You judge who should have been punished more by looking at the prevailing events and the trend/severity of the crime. One will rot in jail for the rest of his life and the other will spend time with his family.

Ref: Ross Ulbricht Wiki
SBF wiki
Photo Collected from Google

[m2017]

The line between people ending up in prison for long time or just not is so thin in a world of scams, being open minded etc...
Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

SBF should undoubtedly be punished for his misdeeds. Whether this will happen or whether he will get off lightly is still a mystery to me. It is known that he has influential parents with the right connections that can help him avoid justice to the fullest.

These two cases are actually very different. The collapse of FTX is not presented in the media as something very bad (well, it happens), while the story of Ross Ulbricht is initially demonized (as if he is guilty of all mortal sins).

[Helena Yu]

Criminals investigation Offensed following Convinced against Ross Ulbricht

• Engaging in a continuing Criminal Enterprise
• Distributing Narcotics
• Distributing Narcotics by means of the internet
• Money laundering
• Conspiring to traffic to False identity
• Conspiring to Commit Computer Hacking

Ref: Ross Ulbricht Wiki

It's funny how you use Wikipedia as your main source to gather the information on controversial story. Wikipedia is get manipulated since the information listed on there are based on vote and people who have power. If there's a Wikipedia's user add a real story where it's against the government's decision, he might get targeted by FBI and he will suspect as spreading fake information and conspiracy.

You can read below where Ross Ulbricht is actually not a bad person and don't have any intention to harm any people, it depends on each people who use his free market. Actually anything in this world isn't actually all good and all bad, there's always bad in good and there's always good in bad.

Fiat, Bitcoin or any currency, you can use it for a good thing like charity, donation etc, but you can also use it to pay for murders.

Become a president, you have full control to develop your country to become better, but you can also bribe anyone to corrupt a lot money.

Narcotics, it can kill you if you use it overdose since it's addictive, but it can be used for medical purpose.

Anonymity, privacy is really important to prevent from getting traced and to live peacefully, but the government thing we're criminal who done illegal things.

Ross Ulbricht isn't deserve to get jailed, but the people who take advantage over the free market is the one who should get jailed!

“Ross paid to have people killed”
False. Amplified through inaccurate and sensationalized reporting, these allegations were used to deny Ross bail, smear him in the media, bias his jurors and justify the life sentence he ultimately received.

Some people overdosed from drugs bought on Silk Road and this was presented to Ross’s jury at trial”
False. This allegation was never charged at trial or presented to jurors. Ross was never prosecuted for causing harm or bodily injury and no victim was named at trial.

“The book ‘American Kingpin’ is well-researched, accurate and the real story”
False. It is not the real story by any means. This book is sensationalized and fictionalized and is a one-sided narrative. It was written to be a page turner, so the author took liberties, with little regard for truth and accuracy.

“Ross is a drug kingpin”
False. Ross is a website creator, not a kingpin. He did not store, transport or have contact with any of the legal or illegal items sold on the website. He had no relationship with the sellers and no influence over prices.

“Silk Road allowed the sale of child porn, human organs, hitmen and other violent services”
False. Even the government never alleged this. Silk Road was a free market based on the libertarian non-aggression principle.

“Ross was offered a 10-year plea deal and rejected it”
False. First, prosecutors made no written offer. Second, the verbal offer prosecutors extended to Ross was that, if he pled guilty to the conspiracy charges he was arrested for, he would face 10 years to life imprisonment. However, they made it clear they would argue for a life sentence with his sentencing judge.

“Ross was the only one running Silk Road”
False. The prosecution claimed that Ross controlled Silk Road from start to finish and was the only person behind the accounts of the top administrator, “Dread Pirate Roberts” (DPR, a character from The Princess Bride, who passed his name and identity on to his successors).

“Ross got a fair trial.”
False. Many organizations and individuals have voiced concerns over Ross’s trial. It was full of due process violations,

“Silk Road was created to sell illegal drugs”
False. Silk Road was created as a libertarian free market, not as a drug market.

Ross created Silk Road for financial gain.”
False. Ross was a young libertarian who wanted to provide the experience of a truly free market.