SBF-Ross Ulbricht

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Fiat, Bitcoin or any currency, you can use it for a good thing like charity, donation etc, but you can also use it to pay for murders.

Become a president, you have full control to develop your country to become better, but you can also bribe anyone to corrupt a lot money.

Narcotics, it can kill you if you use it overdose since it's addictive, but it can be used for medical purpose.

Anonymity, privacy is really important to prevent from getting traced and to live peacefully, but the government thing we're criminal who done illegal things.

Ross Ulbricht isn't deserve to get jailed, but the people who take advantage over the free market is the one who should get jailed!

On ebay and amazon they sell things that was not supposed to be sold. Scammers are scamming left and right but that does not make ebay and amazon owners a criminal. Paypal, freeze money from it's client left and right, but it does not make them criminal.

You play in favour of their system, give them their cut, you are always right. The system is designed for them to get the benefit, not for us. We are a product for them, the numbers that pay them for everything they need.

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[Popkon6]

Ross Ulbricht I don't know this gentleman, maybe a look into history will reveal many criminal activities of this gentleman but I won't go into that.  My pride is SBF with this gentleman. For this gentleman I fell into FTX Token Scam in November 2022 worth $1500. And what I earn as a small trader just for SBF all my earnings are wasted. I always wish SBF to be punished and he should be given severe punishment. But in reality his punishment has been reduced a lot. Let him be re-imprisoned and given severe punishment.

[Crypto Library]

Since the option of "none of them" has been added in the poll, I think one more option should have been added - "both of them".
Although I don't know much about Ross Ulbricht, after looking at various sources, if the Silk Road incident is true, I think he and the current SBF should be sentenced to life imprisonment.
Moreover, I would like to mention one more person name with these two people who is the founder of Terra-Luna Kwon Do-hyung, although after the arrest of SBF Kwon Do-hyung has been issued an Interpol red notice and he is currently living in Serbia. If the Lunar incident is dismissed simply because of his responsibility, then I think it would be wrong And I think he should be also punished. Due to this irresponsibility of him, many people took to the streets and many have committed suicide.
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[Jawhead999]

Moreover, I would like to mention one more person name with these two people who is the founder of Terra-Luna Kwon Do-hyung, although after the arrest of SBF Kwon Do-hyung has been issued an Interpol red notice and he is currently living in Serbia. If the Lunar incident is dismissed simply because of his responsibility, then I think it would be wrong And I think he should be also punished. Due to this irresponsibility of him, many people took to the streets and many have committed suicide.

Based on this article, it looks like Do Kwon doesn't commit a crime in US jurisdiction and even more he's not live in US. But since there's no movement and decision from South Korean authorities, my take on this Do Kwon have bribed the authorities in order to not get jailed. As we know in other countries the authorities isn't strict as US and it's more easier to bribe.

If we talking about shitcoins CEO should get jailed since they're scam many investors, there are a lot CEO will get jailed. But those shitcoins are just small and not affect a lot people, so it's not hyped.

In America, it is not a crime to be a lousy businessman or a careless CEO with poor judgement.

“There is going to be issues with jurisdiction ... since he’s not in the U.S.,” said Eliason. “South Korean authorities might have something to say about possible sanctions. There are a lot of other potential agencies or governments who could take a look at this conduct, in addition to the private individuals who were harmed.”

[Z-tight]

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

The extent of their crime is what should ordinarily determine how long they should belong in prison. Reading about the silk road online wrongly makes one think Ross committed crimes that are worse than what our modern day politicians do, but there are other parts to the story that i believe are true, and i feel Ross' case was inflated, he surely doesn't deserve a life sentence; there are many politicians today all over the world that are involved in crimes worse than his, but because they pay the right people and gag the right mouths, they are never going to see the walls of a prison.

Ross deserves jail time, but not life imprisonment without parole, sbf and Kwon as well deserve jail time because they are assholes, if you screw people up because you don't know what the hell you're doing, then you deserve jail time, but there is no balance in the judiciary because one person gets a slap on the wrist sanction and another gets a stronger sentence for similar offences, if there is balance in the judicial system i don't think anyone would be complaining.

[Rigon]

The line between people ending up in prison for long time or just not is so thin in a world of scams, being open minded etc...
Curious , do you think one deserves prison more as the other, one doesn't deserve prison? Both should be there? None should?

How do you guys think about what they did and should or shouldn't they belong in prison?

Two men committed a very heinous crime here. Here both should suffer equal punishment. But here SBF is given less punishment. They should be punished in such a way that no one dares to commit such heinous crimes later after seeing their punishment. The justice system of the country has now gone to a stage where criminals do not get full punishment for committing crimes. Criminals do not fear to commit crimes due to such irregularities in the judicial system. So I think SBF should be re-arrested and severely punished. Seeing that people appreciate the justice system.

[leonair]

SBF is a talented person. Who was so talented that he answered all their questions in a video chat with the SEQUOIA company while playing video games. And SEQUOIA agreed to invest $210 million in his company. SBF was so talented that even a company like SEQUOIA Capital didn't have the guts to ask as investor why he was playing video games on a important meeting.  and When Elon Musk wanted to buy Twitter, SBF tweeted that it was willing to pay Musk $2-3 billion if he invested in FTX.  And FTX was the fastest growing exchange.
But unfortunately FTX became Bancroft overnight. Because when Binance CEO CZ_Binance tweeted that they will sell all FTT tokens they hold, investors panicked and started selling too. and  SBF company FTX was stored most of their funds through FTT tokens so meanwhile FTT crashed and FTX company eventually went bankrupt.
Here I think SBF is not entirely to blame.Although many people lost because FTX went bankrupt and I also invested $9620 usd in FTT and I lost that money. So he should be punished accordingly and he should be careful before doing anything after that and not to harm the public

[armanda90]

Its seems fair for criminal cases ending actually for SBF what have did with FTX exchange market, but I see have potential for both SBF-Ross Ulbricht can operate his project during still in the jail trough trusted person. Weakness punishment without make him become poor not problem where ever your are and money in your hand possibility control for anything.

SBF-Ross Ulbricht will not get huge pressure in the jail like drug or criminal cases and they have power for operating their project later due with their assets still not freeze yet.

[Z-tight]

So I think SBF should be re-arrested and severely punished. Seeing that people appreciate the justice system.

He is not going to be re-arrested unless he breaks any of the bail terms, such as fleeing his parents house where he is under house arrest, if he doesn't do anything like that, then we have to wait until october, 2nd when the trial would start, to see the outcome. If you do not know, judgement hasn't been passed yet on sbf's case, but there's speculations he may get a slap on the wrist kind of sentence, after all he threw a lot of money to politicians .

Because when Binance CEO CZ_Binance tweeted that they will sell all FTT tokens they hold, investors panicked and started selling too. and  SBF company FTX was stored most of their funds through FTT tokens so meanwhile FTT crashed and FTX company eventually went bankrupt. Here I think SBF is not entirely to blame.

CZ wasn't the cause of ftx's collapse, he may have triggered it; but the company collapsed because of sbf's misappropriation of customers' funds, so he is to blame in my humble opinion.

[Lucius]

SBF is a talented person.

Talented to such a level that he failed to keep his company alive, and at the same time he managed to destroy the lives of countless people, some of whom probably committed suicide. People like Bankman are a danger to society and should be banned from any business involving finance and investment.


As far as punishment goes, I think both men deserve long prison sentences, although I'm pretty sure Bankman won't be treated nearly as harshly as Ross Ulbricht, and I think that is also logical considering the accusations against them. What may raise doubts about a fair trial in the case of FTX is the fact that this company financed various politicians and political organizations, and had business ties with many influential US companies, and it remains to be seen whether this will affect the verdict.

[Tipeform$]

Since the option of "none of them" has been added in the poll, I think one more option should have been added - "both of them".
Although I don't know much about Ross Ulbricht, after looking at various sources, if the Silk Road incident is true, I think he and the current SBF should be sentenced to life imprisonment.
Moreover, I would like to mention one more person name with these two people who is the founder of Terra-Luna Kwon Do-hyung, although after the arrest of SBF Kwon Do-hyung has been issued an Interpol red notice and he is currently living in Serbia. If the Lunar incident is dismissed simply because of his responsibility, then I think it would be wrong And I think he should be also punished. Due to this irresponsibility of him, many people took to the streets and many have committed suicide.
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I agree with you when Luna started scamming the market it wiped out thousands of people's wealth.  At that time I was a small trading trader and I also had some Luna Invests.  If punishment Know Do-hyung I think it should be..
Ross Ulbricht On my behalf I find him guilty.  But his punishment was comparatively less because he should have been hanged.  Because thousands of people have lost their wealth on the streets.  He should be punished in such a way that he doesn't get a chance to make the mistake a second time.  

Ross Ulbricht
Hanging!  Hanging!!  Hanging!!!

[GigaBit]

Ross Ulbricht was the director of a darknet marketplace. Where criminal activities including drug and arms sales took place. Users of that site pay using cryptocurrency whose identity remains anonymous. Finally he was accused of various criminal activities including money laundering, hacking. He was convicted of various misdemeanors and imprisoned.

There is no need to say anything new about this gentleman named Sam Bankman-Fried, another biggest criminal at the present time. What he did, didn't just hurt anyone personally, he caused a temporary big loss to the cryptocurrency world. He should be punished in such a way that it can be marked as an example to others. This person killed my long saved money and trust. I just wish like all others exemplary punishment. I know i will never get that money back but it will give me great satisfaction if his punishment is confirmed.

[NotATether]

I agree with you when Luna started scamming the market it wiped out thousands of people's wealth.  At that time I was a small trading trader and I also had some Luna Invests.  If punishment Know Do-hyung I think it should be..
Ross Ulbricht On my behalf I find him guilty.  But his punishment was comparatively less because he should have been hanged.  Because thousands of people have lost their wealth on the streets.  He should be punished in such a way that he doesn't get a chance to make the mistake a second time. 

Ross Ulbricht
Hanging!  Hanging!!  Hanging!!!

That doesn't make any sense. Execution is reserved for cases of murder. It is not applied to drug dealers, hackers, etc. And also, Ross didn't scam anyone (unlike the tin foil hat on the right). The FBI seized the bitcoins of Silk Road. So why are you claiming the customers were robbed by him?

[Getmon]

I believe that SBF and Ross Ulbricht ought to receive the same life sentences. It is annoying that SBF was placed only under house arrest due to the connections he and his family established to many high ranking officials and the Democrats. Users suffered a loss of 8 billion dollars as a result of the FTX collapse. The sum is significantly greater than the money involved in the case of Ross Ulbricht. Regardless, the claim that Ross Ulbricht is innocent is not something I believe. He was aware that millions of dangerous illegal trades were taking place on the Silk Road, but he did nothing about it.

[NotATether]

I believe that SBF and Ross Ulbricht ought to receive the same life sentences.

Can't you read?

Ross already has a life sentence, since like 10 years ago.

[LDL]

Ross Ulbricht ,This man is currently serving life imprisonment for his involvement in the Silk Road scam.  The government sentenced him to life imprisonment without parole.
He imprisoned his two life times + 40 more years.



SBF was sentenced to 115 years in prison for his crimes, but his father will spend time in family custody with a $250M bond.



Ruja Ignatova scammed her own project "OneCoin" in 2016 and disappeared with the equivalent of $4 billion at the time. The FBI has announced a top ten hot list for her and this beautiful lady has so far been hiding from the eyes of the law.

What kind of punishment do you wish for her?

[Getmon]

I believe that SBF and Ross Ulbricht ought to receive the same life sentences.

Can't you read?

Ross already has a life sentence, since like 10 years ago.

I am aware of the Ulbricht verdict years ago. The poll asks which between SBF and Ulbricht deserved the longer prison sentence. And I just answered that both SBF and Ulbricht ought to receive the same life sentences.

[zaki12]

Ross Ulbricht ,This man is currently serving life imprisonment for his involvement in the Silk Road scam.  The government sentenced him to life imprisonment without parole.
He imprisoned his two life times + 40 more years.

I've read books about Ross Ulbricht's life before and during the Silk Road, his story breaks my heart... it's so unfair for him to be sentenced to life in prison for what he did.

SBF was sentenced to 115 years in prison for his crimes, but his father will spend time in family custody with a $250M bond.

Yes bond to parents home only worth $25m and so house arrest also $250m short bond to put in let's see what other games they will play and give it to him.
I think a lot of political money and celebrity money that was given by him not to give he a lot of hope I'm wrong and he was locked up for 115 years and it didn't turn into a circus.

[El duderino_]

Little busy these days, gonna read up soon-ish, thx for the input already

[1miau]

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When Ulbricht launched Silk Road, he probably didn't have any bad intentions, so we should consider that when judging him.
But yes, Ulbrichts actions resulted in a lot of damage.
The early days of when Bitcoin was launched, many criminals abused it and unfortunately a lot of them gathered on Silk Road for criminal business.
The dust settled now, the criminal use of Bitcoin is decreasing and maybe one day, Ulbricht will be released from jail. I would not rule it out. 

Since the option of "none of them" has been added in the poll, I think one more option should have been added - "both of them".

Good point, I would also like to see such an option, since it would change the outcome probably. And you can't vote for both in OP's poll.

For this gentleman I fell into FTX Token Scam in November 2022 worth $1500.

Sad to hear, mate! I hope it isn't all of your money and you had most of your money in a private wallet.
Always make sure, that you don't store your valuable coins on exchanges.
It's even more risky than trading!

They cannot be compared, but its illogical one is in prison and one is free... If Ross payed for killing, then he should be in prison... for the rest I can see something which started with a good idea, with a lot of freedom etc ....
SBF is a scam from the start and we will never know what exactly happened with politicians etc but for sure a lot happened which hurt lots of people

Like I said, there is nothing logical in this clown world, especially if you are watching mainstream brainwashing all the time.

That's a slogan often used mostly by fascists who don't have any arguments left, so these fascists claim it's all "brainwashing by msm". In reality the world is much more complex that in the heads of these extremists.
In general, the concept of "msM bAd" is antithetical to what an educated person would do: hear all the arguments, evaluate the arguments and look at the education of the people voicing the arguments. For example, a gardener is probably a bad source for planetary science and so on. 

The funny thing: the conspiracy nut crowd has started producing a massive amount of lies over the last 5 years (probably more than over the last 25 years combined), and that will become a big problem for the conspiracy theorists as more and more of it is proven as a lie. Nobody willtake them serios anymore at some point.

Regardless, the claim that Ross Ulbricht is innocent is not something I believe. He was aware that millions of dangerous illegal trades were taking place on the Silk Road, but he did nothing about it.

As far as I know, Ulbricht admitted that SilkRoad has been a mistake.
I also expect he was not fully aware, that Silk Road would get abused like that.
And personally, I would always re-evaluate an imprisonment if that person had admitted their mistake and if the person still is a danger for society.
I don't know if that's a valid argument since I’m not a lawyer but when releasing someone from prison, we should also consider: how likely is it, that the person who's currently in jail will do crimes again, when he's released?
Is it more beneficial for society to keep him in prison or is it more beneficial to release him?
And for Ulbricht, I believe, it wouldn’t hurt to release him.