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February 17, 2023, 09:21:32 PM |
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I would guess that it is normal for these type of things to happen unfortunately, specially when we are talking about clubs that are not even in the top division. Most of these players get paid very little, and they would accept these type of offers in a heart beat, unless they are posed to go to next stage and young talents to be stars in the future.
I think it is a shame, but this can't be just Brazilian teams, I am sure aside from a few big nations, it must be true for almost all nations and that is why it looks quite sad, because we know that this si just the one that we learned about, imagine how many there are out there that we haven't even heard about.
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February 17, 2023, 09:55:26 PM |
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I would guess that it is normal for these type of things to happen unfortunately, specially when we are talking about clubs that are not even in the top division. Most of these players get paid very little, and they would accept these type of offers in a heart beat, unless they are posed to go to next stage and young talents to be stars in the future.
I think it is a shame, but this can't be just Brazilian teams, I am sure aside from a few big nations, it must be true for almost all nations and that is why it looks quite sad, because we know that this si just the one that we learned about, imagine how many there are out there that we haven't even heard about.
Could really happen on smaller leagues or to those who arent that known but pretty much sure that once these fixed matches or fraudulent acts would be caught it would really be still making up some noises which is something not that really surprising but eventually it would really be just simply forgottenby people since the teams or players involved arent really that much known or something. They might faced up some charges and violations if ever get caught but we know that it wouldn't really be that much on severe.Expect for these things to happen yet it is really that be on this way.
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February 17, 2023, 09:57:22 PM |
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Hey, OP, as long as you've been on the forum, you should know better than to include a link to the news item. I guess the news is in Portuguese? I've searched and I don't see anything about it but I did find this which is relevant to the general match fixing problem: Suspicious sports results? Mafia might have fixed themOrganised crime groups make an estimated €120 million of profit a year from betting-related match-fixing in sports events. Not only football matches are fixed, but tennis results are also manipulated more and more. And sports mafia are no longer only corrupting players, but clubs too. I think we need to send him a pm to include the link he might have forgotten to include the link so we can verify his post because it's very particular to an organization and country, but it's not only happening in Brazil every country's sports organization have their own shares of game fixing even if they have strict rules in game fixing. This is because the sports mafia is well organized and there are players or officials of the team that are cooperating with this mafia. It happens in the past it's still happening and will happen in the future because game fixing is very profitable.
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February 17, 2023, 09:59:03 PM |
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In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I believe a scandal like this was just a matter of time, taking the history of the country with previous corruption schemes, recent skyrocket of sports betting platforms' popularity locally, and a fertile niche to execute a profitable scam, like the Serie B, since attention from public and media is mostly focused in Serie A. Its a fixed matches, so those people behind this manipulation is surely making a lot of money and of course the sports itself benefited from that and that’s why they are still doing this. If there’s a big mafia behind this one, how can the government stop this if some of them are also involve to this for sure. This is the risk on a sports betting, hard to know if they are a fixed matches or not, its also happening in other sports.
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February 17, 2023, 10:08:22 PM |
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In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I believe a scandal like this was just a matter of time, taking the history of the country with previous corruption schemes, recent skyrocket of sports betting platforms' popularity locally, and a fertile niche to execute a profitable scam, like the Serie B, since attention from public and media is mostly focused in Serie A. Its a fixed matches, so those people behind this manipulation is surely making a lot of money and of course the sports itself benefited from that and that’s why they are still doing this. If there’s a big mafia behind this one, how can the government stop this if some of them are also involve to this for sure. This is the risk on a sports betting, hard to know if they are a fixed matches or not, its also happening in other sports. Due to the country's history, it's really possible that there could be an agent of the government involved on this kind of scheme, at least at some point of the case, as the judiciary, legislative and executive are very close to each other. Maybe what we know so far is just the top of the iceberg. It was said 3 players are under suspicion, but there could be more we don't know yet. Investigations are happening in real time, so it's early to say 'how deep the hole is". Let's see if this case is going to be taken till the end.
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February 17, 2023, 10:09:10 PM |
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I would guess that it is normal for these type of things to happen unfortunately, specially when we are talking about clubs that are not even in the top division. Most of these players get paid very little, and they would accept these type of offers in a heart beat, unless they are posed to go to next stage and young talents to be stars in the future.
I think it is a shame, but this can't be just Brazilian teams, I am sure aside from a few big nations, it must be true for almost all nations and that is why it looks quite sad, because we know that this si just the one that we learned about, imagine how many there are out there that we haven't even heard about.
And that is what makes this so worrying, since anyone that takes some time to think about this can tell it is impossible this is an isolated incident, this probably happens all over the world and at every single sport there is, so this calls into question the whole purpose of sports as it is not longer about who is the most skilled competitor and instead it becomes about who has the biggest amount of money to manipulate the results, which help us understand why professional leagues do what they can to hide news like this so sports fans do not get disappointed about the lack of integrity on sports.
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February 17, 2023, 10:35:14 PM |
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$28,000 seems like a tempting amount to just score a penalty in a game at a certain time, so I'm not surprised that athletes have been able to get involved. I am surprised by another - is the market for betting on penalties at certain times so large that the bets that allow fraudsters to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars have long gone unnoticed? It seems to me that the very first big bet (even if it was split into many small ones) would have attracted attention.
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February 17, 2023, 10:47:28 PM |
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$28,000 seems like a tempting amount to just score a penalty in a game at a certain time, so I'm not surprised that athletes have been able to get involved. I am surprised by another - is the market for betting on penalties at certain times so large that the bets that allow fraudsters to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars have long gone unnoticed? It seems to me that the very first big bet (even if it was split into many small ones) would have attracted attention.
^ It is possible that there are thousands of dollars in unnoticed big wins from fraudsters, I can't imagine how big this amount is but one thing that I know, this is a huge amount that is easy to spot. I also have this thought, what is the penalty for the athletes if someone caught them the same issue? It should be memorable penalties so that they will not do it again or those athletes planning the same way will be afraid because of the possible penalties. Hopefully, our betting organizers will have a solution for this, it will harm their institution if this will continue.
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February 17, 2023, 10:50:11 PM |
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It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00). In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting. Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention. In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year. If this allegation is supposedly true, then the commissioner has to do something about the players. They should be absolutely prohibited to participate in all sports events as they are the ones who destroy the integrity and the spirit of the sport for corruption and money. All the people that are involved should be severely penalized in this aspect and they should be prohibited from stepping foot into any sports that they enter. Sports betting has the spirit of betting into a team due to the knowledge that you have. If a team supposedly fixes the game, this completely destroys the purpose on why this category of gambling has been created and this will significantly prejudiced the rights of these users.
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This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
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February 18, 2023, 07:58:07 AM |
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This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
Well, it is just what it is, like I said in my earlier comment, match fixing as well as rigging is not something that is peculiar to brazil alone, this is something that is happening in every country and in every season. As long as there is a means of making money, then be rest assured that some persons will try to find the easy way to gather as much money as they can, and this is where the issue of fraud comes into play, I can tell you that more money are made through illegal means, than it is made legitimately.
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February 18, 2023, 08:08:00 AM |
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The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).
In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.
There isn't much information here and I would expect that most news about this are in Portuguese for the smaller Brazilian leagues. But since this scam must involve a lot of players who tried to get penalties, I wonder now how long this scam actually worked before it was found out. 150,000 Reais is a lot of money in the poorer regions of Brazil, in the big cities like Rio and Sao Paulo this is not that much again. Once this scam is being discovered the career is over and you will likely have to repay all your illegitimate gains. Maybe all the players involved managed to bet on the games themselves and increased their payouts like that. Otherwise this seems like too risky compared to the payoff. What I find most surprising is that betting fraud in football lately involves mostly players and not the referees. Isn't the risk too high to involve a large number of players in the fraud? The more people involved the higher the chance that someone will tell friends about it and the whole scam will be uncovered. Having a rigged match in sports betting is like winning the lottery, we can bet all our money on the most risky outcome and make a huge profit. The problem is only if we can trust the match is fixed or not.
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February 18, 2023, 09:08:44 AM |
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This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
That is also my thoughts we really dont know how many games they fixed and bribe players just to make the game lose. For sure that would be a lot of games and we haven't noticed it that is why they keep doing it and also I think that is their business to find another bettor that has money who will bet big and they will then do this so that they are the one who will win. I hope this will stop now and I am worried if this still continue doing as they are powerful people thay no one cant stop them
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February 18, 2023, 01:41:27 PM |
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This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
That is also my thoughts we really dont know how many games they fixed and bribe players just to make the game lose. For sure that would be a lot of games and we haven't noticed it that is why they keep doing it and also I think that is their business to find another bettor that has money who will bet big and they will then do this so that they are the one who will win. I hope this will stop now and I am worried if this still continue doing as they are powerful people thay no one cant stop them As long as their operations are still difficult to detect and find until they are punished for their actions, they will continue to do so because they have the money, human resources and time to find people who can help them to commit bribes. They already have people helping them so that they still have someone else to replace the task if one is caught. If the government is really serious about stopping it, it should thoroughly search and investigate every suspicious case. If necessary, the government can place an undercover agent to open the business and report it to the government.
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February 18, 2023, 02:08:33 PM |
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This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
This might be correct especially if you are doing this on a corrupt country, and probably some government official are making money here as well. Fraud is everywhere, hard to tell if the game is fixed or not because the players can also be part of it. Sports betting are easy to fraud, if there's a huge money in the table. The mafia knows where to make money and with that, Brazil sports might be one of their favorite spot to do this. You're lucky if you are able to get a signal for a fixed matches, its not easy to have that signal though and no guarantee for if its true or not.
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February 18, 2023, 03:54:06 PM |
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This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
That is also my thoughts we really dont know how many games they fixed and bribe players just to make the game lose. For sure that would be a lot of games and we haven't noticed it that is why they keep doing it and also I think that is their business to find another bettor that has money who will bet big and they will then do this so that they are the one who will win. I hope this will stop now and I am worried if this still continue doing as they are powerful people thay no one cant stop them I think if a team already has this issue, they should be banned for some games and if it is proven guilty for match making they should get out of the league. Players don't have a problem with this maybe they are accountable as well but I think administration of the team should be banned. It is very unfair to have a fixed match, not only for our us since we love sports betting and we love to bet but the thing is they are just doing shameless thing for the sake of money.
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February 18, 2023, 05:08:52 PM |
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This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
That is also my thoughts we really dont know how many games they fixed and bribe players just to make the game lose. For sure that would be a lot of games and we haven't noticed it that is why they keep doing it and also I think that is their business to find another bettor that has money who will bet big and they will then do this so that they are the one who will win. I hope this will stop now and I am worried if this still continue doing as they are powerful people thay no one cant stop them For sure there a lot now but the majority of them are not only obvious. They really played it well because what they are doing is against the law and there are serious consequences about it once they got caught out. Don't worry because like what @libert said, god still sees it and he is the only one that will punish those abusers. They still can't succeed further in their life or these people can suffer later on. Match fixing is a kind of business to those who do it. This is where they earn easy and huge money. They will find a bettor and then they can get commissions on those winning bets. I am sorry but I think this won't stop anytime soon. Even if some are caught, this could still happen on other games, teams or regions.
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February 18, 2023, 07:17:29 PM |
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This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
This might be correct especially if you are doing this on a corrupt country, and probably some government official are making money here as well. Fraud is everywhere, hard to tell if the game is fixed or not because the players can also be part of it. Sports betting are easy to fraud, if there's a huge money in the table. The mafia knows where to make money and with that, Brazil sports might be one of their favorite spot to do this. You're lucky if you are able to get a signal for a fixed matches, its not easy to have that signal though and no guarantee for if its true or not. Match fixing or sports betting fraud is a big crime and unfortunately, the real beneficiaries for these are the national players and maybe the government is also involved in fraud of such a big level. I will try to give you an example and you will see how big this game is. Let's suppose a Strong Team has a match with a very weak team and it is certain that a strong team will win. Almost 90% will bet on the strong team. Now the Strong team decided to fix the match, lose it, and before the match, they place a million dollars bet on the weak team (the odds are also high for weak teams). The strong team loses the match, lose the match winning money but won 100 times more in the bet. The government can also involve in this if they decide to inject even more capital in this fixed match bet.
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February 18, 2023, 07:33:11 PM |
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Of course the fixed matches aren't going anywhere. No matter what country we live in, we all know that most countries are corrupt. In the highest circles of power corruption is also in use, only there are other amounts. I'm sure that in most countries the government is involved in a lot of dirty business and fixed matches also belong to this, because it is one of the ways not only to launder money, but also to increase it.
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February 18, 2023, 07:44:24 PM |
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Of course the fixed matches aren't going anywhere. No matter what country we live in, we all know that most countries are corrupt. In the highest circles of power corruption is also in use, only there are other amounts. I'm sure that in most countries the government is involved in a lot of dirty business and fixed matches also belong to this, because it is one of the ways not only to launder money, but also to increase it. Always to those people who are sitting on the top of the chain would be always have the power and the rights on doing on whatever they do want considering that they do have the power and the finances then everything could really be that possible and its not really a shocking thing after all. This is why its not really something that new when it comes on rigging up games and any fraudulent activities made up in behind.It is really just that sad specially into those people who do have make out bets and overall ethicality and general essence of sport which it had been destroyed out due to this one.
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