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Title: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: alegotardo on February 16, 2023, 12:33:40 AM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Darker45 on February 16, 2023, 02:12:23 AM
If it's possible for this kind of competition for fraud to occur, how much more to much smaller competitions. There are local and regional competitions everywhere. Some games must be rigged. Some detected, some not.

Here, there was also a national basketball competition where a team was obviously throwing the game. It was Manny Pacquiao himself who filed the case against those who were involved in the fixing.

I also have a neighbor who was a pro DOTA II player. He and his team were involved in match fixing. They were banned by Valve itself.

Fraud is also rampant in sports.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on February 16, 2023, 03:29:42 AM
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Hey, OP, as long as you've been on the forum, you should know better than to include a link to the news item. I guess the news is in Portuguese? I've searched and I don't see anything about it but I did find this which is relevant to the general match fixing problem:

Suspicious sports results? Mafia might have fixed them (https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/eng/News/Data-news/Suspicious-sports-results-Mafia-might-have-fixed-them)

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Organised crime groups make an estimated €120 million of profit a year from betting-related match-fixing in sports events. Not only football matches are fixed, but tennis results are also manipulated more and more. And sports mafia are no longer only corrupting players, but clubs too.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Pierre 2 on February 16, 2023, 04:36:27 AM
Match fixing is an issue mainly in developing countries. Most of it is organised by mafia that also involves in drug trade, illegal weapon trade etc. This type of things never get old. Its very hard to avoid match fixing if your country permits completely legal sports betting options. I don't call for them making it illegal but sometimes its impossible to detect. I am pretty sure this match fixing issue happened in Brazil is only visible side of "iceberg". Noone knows what happens at other side, in deep.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: wxa7115 on February 16, 2023, 04:43:25 AM
If it's possible for this kind of competition for fraud to occur, how much more to much smaller competitions. There are local and regional competitions everywhere. Some games must be rigged. Some detected, some not.

Here, there was also a national basketball competition where a team was obviously throwing the game. It was Manny Pacquiao himself who filed the case against those who were involved in the fixing.

I also have a neighbor who was a pro DOTA II player. He and his team were involved in match fixing. They were banned by Valve itself.

Fraud is also rampant in sports.
Match fixing has always been a problem when it comes to sports and the only thing that somehow protects the most important leagues are the high salaries they pay to their players and coaches so they cannot be easily bribed.

But away from the spotlight and with salaries many times smaller it is easy to see how organized crime could bribe players to do whatever they want, as 28k dollars to each player for each penalty they commit is a huge sum for them, and it is likely an amount higher than what they receive for each game they play.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Little Mouse on February 16, 2023, 06:39:10 AM
It's not of course new when it comes to a bit less popular league. Series B isn't that popular unless you are a Brazilian and like football. In such games, it's much easier to fix a match.
In our country, the premier league is the highest competition among the clubs and you know match-fixing is common in this tournament. Years back, a video footage was leaked where a note in a paper was sent to the captain of the leading team but after that note was sent, their performance was dropped significantly which arose a question of what the hell was written in that paper. Though I didn't follow the news, I'm sure no one had to set forth on that issue. The whole BFF is corrupted.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: slapper on February 16, 2023, 07:26:56 AM
That match-fixing persists as a problem in sports is disturbing, as is the staggering sums of money involved. Although the cheating in this case affected only a lower-level competition, it nonetheless casts doubt on the fairness of higher-level contests. I'd like to think that as a sports fan, the outcome of a game is based on the skill and effort of the players rather than chance. It is imperative that authorities crack down hard on these illegal actions and implement severe fines in order to deter any further occurrences. Last but not least, sports shouldn't be used as a cover for illegal behavior but rather as a platform for fair competition and audience enjoyment.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: swogerino on February 16, 2023, 07:48:58 AM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.

I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Kemarit on February 16, 2023, 09:36:06 AM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

Yes, most likely small tournaments has been rigged, I'm not sure what "Series B" league means, if it falls to that category because it's easier to manipulate the game is lower leagues.

In any case, there are coaches and players willing to collude and accept bribes, and there are individuals who are going to approaches coaches and team to offer bribes because they are going to make a lot of money from betting on them. It's that when they are caught, the coaches and players are hit harder because they could be ban for life.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: danherbias07 on February 16, 2023, 09:37:06 AM
^Yeah, that might be the reason for accepting those bribes. As players with a low salary,  they have to go illegal just so they can make more money even if it includes doing it the wrong way.
This is the reason why organizations are usually attacking smaller leagues, they know they can easily manipulate them and especially if these leagues are available to bet on online sports betting sites. That would be an easy profit for them if they will be betting millions of dollars. So this $20k+ bribe payment to every player is just pennies for them when they know what the outcome will be.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Solosanz on February 16, 2023, 10:04:36 AM
not only in brazil, many other countries do it like that, for example fixing scores in matches, therefore I have never been interested in betting on the minor leagues because there is potentially a lot of cheating there, that's why betting on the big leagues is safer even though sometimes I often see clubs big lose against small club i always thought there was a game in it, but i thought maybe it was just bad luck, lol
If you know which match is usually have fixing scores, then you can make easy money from that lol. Big leagues are high likely doesn't have any manipulation and it's safer to bet, but it doesn't make you rich if you not bet big amount of money. There are many matches on minor leagues are really worth to bet the underdog because the odds is really huge. In big leagues, usually the underdog have almost 0% chance to beat the favorite team due to huge gap difference.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: dimonstration on February 16, 2023, 10:11:21 AM
Match fixing is an issue mainly in developing countries. Most of it is organised by mafia that also involves in drug trade, illegal weapon trade etc. This type of things never get old. Its very hard to avoid match fixing if your country permits completely legal sports betting options. I don't call for them making it illegal but sometimes its impossible to detect. I am pretty sure this match fixing issue happened in Brazil is only visible side of "iceberg". Noone knows what happens at other side, in deep.

Not only on developing country but everywhere. Only match fixing is always being caught from developing country since they are easy to spot and their players is doing it too obvious for the money. I believe there’s a lot of same issue in EU that involves match fixing on sports. Big time mobs is behind this kind of operation and they are everywhere.



Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Yaunfitda on February 16, 2023, 10:18:16 AM
Match fixing is an issue mainly in developing countries. Most of it is organised by mafia that also involves in drug trade, illegal weapon trade etc. This type of things never get old. Its very hard to avoid match fixing if your country permits completely legal sports betting options. I don't call for them making it illegal but sometimes its impossible to detect. I am pretty sure this match fixing issue happened in Brazil is only visible side of "iceberg". Noone knows what happens at other side, in deep.

Not only on developing country but everywhere. Only match fixing is always being caught from developing country since they are easy to spot and their players is doing it too obvious for the money. I believe there’s a lot of same issue in EU that involves match fixing on sports. Big time mobs is behind this kind of operation and they are everywhere.
Not the first and obviously not be the last to here this kind of match fixing.

And since the sports involves a lot of personalities, from team owners to managers to coach and player themselves, there is some disconnect somewhere that we didn't know that match fixing has been involved if there is no whistle blower.

Recently even in the World Cup there are accusations as well with match fixing so this is not new and could be rampant in the sports of football.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: maydna on February 16, 2023, 10:30:17 AM
There must be someone who will be a victim of this case if it is revealed and the player will be disadvantaged in this case because he will get a penalty for not being able to play football. Meanwhile, those who planned everything can still get away with paying bribes to investigate officers or officers at court so that they are not involved in the case. I think it also happens in other countries and maybe it's not a secret anymore, although it will be difficult to find out who is behind it all. Bribery is common among these people to get what they want.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: nimogsm on February 16, 2023, 10:44:31 AM
This phenomenon is very common in many places.Gambling became legal in my country a few years ago.And if we talk about sports betting, this is an ideal place for various frauds.They mostly take place in non-major football leagues where it is possible to trace match-fixing by the nature of the game itself.It is especially strange when the advertising partner on the form of the players is just the same bookmaker)There will always be match fixing as long as there are bets on matches.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: acroman08 on February 16, 2023, 11:03:20 AM
bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I would have expected this in small-level leagues(where it is very common to happen) but still not surprised that it happens in bigger leagues. do you have any articles you can share?  aside from the people who are responsible for this fraud, I'd like to know whether the players involve is this are arrested for fraud too or atleast banned from the league?


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Eureka_07 on February 16, 2023, 11:45:01 AM
This issue has been around for many years. But I believe that it is more risky and less profitable than the earlier years.


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I'm kind of intrigued. Who is this neighbors of yours that is a pro DOTA 2 player?
Solo was also accused of match fixing as he placed a bet against his own team, Virtus Pro. Remember the 322 meme? It was originally pertaining to his act.



Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Hypnosis00 on February 16, 2023, 11:50:30 AM
This is so rigged, and unfortunately, we can't prevent it in sports as long as sports betting exists. Big events have larger betting limits, making it easier for players to wager on specific outcomes and make easy money. However, if they get caught, it would mean the end of their career and future prospects.

A rigging scheme that is hard to detect is beneficial for them, as it does not put their careers at risk while still allowing them to make money. However, this case seems to be quite different


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: ultrloa on February 16, 2023, 11:54:33 AM
bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I would have expected this in small-level leagues(where it is very common to happen) but still not surprised that it happens in bigger leagues.

To many fixing incident happen on lower leagues since some manipulators think that they will not easily get caught on what illegal activities they do on that league. There are other well documented so we need to be careful on the leagues we are watching especially if we want to bet on the games played. On bigger leagues well maybe this happen but its not rampant since nowadays since medias are covering up and maybe the league coordinators or promoters are been much careful about this since its a big shamed for their league if his game fixing will happen to them.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Daltonik on February 16, 2023, 11:58:13 AM
The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

I also tried betting on matches in the second Football League of England once, and it seemed to me that everything was not so clean there and some matches were similar to contractual ones, which also seems to me to apply to other countries.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: BenCodie on February 16, 2023, 12:00:46 PM
It is no surprise that this has occurred. I often scoff to myself when people insinuate that these types of things can't happen though it is one of those things that are rarely proven. It is good to see that this one was proven. I would love to know what the largest case similar to this one would be though. I am sure it amounts to many multiples of the amount of this case.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: aioc on February 16, 2023, 12:23:43 PM
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Hey, OP, as long as you've been on the forum, you should know better than to include a link to the news item. I guess the news is in Portuguese? I've searched and I don't see anything about it but I did find this which is relevant to the general match fixing problem:

Suspicious sports results? Mafia might have fixed them (https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/eng/News/Data-news/Suspicious-sports-results-Mafia-might-have-fixed-them)

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Organised crime groups make an estimated €120 million of profit a year from betting-related match-fixing in sports events. Not only football matches are fixed, but tennis results are also manipulated more and more. And sports mafia are no longer only corrupting players, but clubs too.

I'm also surprised that there is no link so we can extract more on the story and check the fact, I also want to see the link so we can discuss the particulars of the topic I guess we can only discuss the general topic which is game fixing, game fixing is what put any game in a bad light, we all want excitement and we all rooting for our favorite team or fighters that they are going to give it all, we lose respects on teams and fighters that engage on game fixing.
Game fixing should not happen in any sports and organizations should protect their rank files and players against any game fixing.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: acroman08 on February 16, 2023, 01:12:00 PM
bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I would have expected this in small-level leagues(where it is very common to happen) but still not surprised that it happens in bigger leagues.

To many fixing incident happen on lower leagues since some manipulators think that they will not easily get caught on what illegal activities they do on that league. There are other well documented so we need to be careful on the leagues we are watching especially if we want to bet on the games played.
I forgot to add that on local events/tournaments match-fixing is extremely rampant(especially on basketball tournaments in my country) to the point that I don't bother watching them and even if they were caught a lot of them don't get any punishment and in a lot of times the coordinators of the event are part of the match-fixing

On bigger leagues well maybe this happen but its not rampant since nowadays since medias are covering up and maybe the league coordinators or promoters are been much careful about this since its a big shamed for their league if his game fixing will happen to them.
true, and if they are caught they are usually punished for it.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: btc_angela on February 16, 2023, 01:23:51 PM
Just makes me wonder though, we have seen some threads about fix match and rigged and they are posting it here, not sure if you guys have seen it. Anyhow, my point is that it could be true that this kind of fix matching has been ongoing for many years already and there could be some insiders who are familiar with it and sharing it here although I can't say that for a fact. And if this coaches and players are investigated and found to be guilty, then appropriate punishment should be dealt with this kind of individuals as it is a shame for the sports who love it.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Yatsan on February 16, 2023, 02:29:32 PM
Just makes me wonder though, we have seen some threads about fix match and rigged and they are posting it here, not sure if you guys have seen it. Anyhow, my point is that it could be true that this kind of fix matching has been ongoing for many years already and there could be some insiders who are familiar with it and sharing it here although I can't say that for a fact. And if this coaches and players are investigated and found to be guilty, then appropriate punishment should be dealt with this kind of individuals as it is a shame for the sports who love it.
Fixed matchws do really exist for so long; from small to big leagues and tournaments. Problem is finding a paying one because for sure exclusivity would lways be a factor. On my end, I have never tried to engage with such scheme simply because of the idea that they are cheating in a way, so how come they would be fair for their players? this is not to generalize. But not only in this crypto industry, as well to others. It would be better to go toe-to-toe with the risk involved in gambling since that's the concept in the first plce, than to find  way for assured profit which is simply not a thing common in gambling industry. Also, enjoyment would be lacking I agree.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: lionheart78 on February 16, 2023, 02:34:58 PM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

This kind of thing can make us rich if we have an insider that can inform us of rigged games.  But I think it is next to impossible to know someone from the rigging party since most that will approach us about this kind of events are more likely scammers.

I also think that match-fixing is rampant anywhere.  Even boxing can be rigged, worst when judges are paid, even though it is evident that the boxer who lost clearly won the fight.  Just like what is written in this article[1].



[1] https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1611096-the-ten-most-controversial-decisions-in-boxing-history


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: YOSHIE on February 16, 2023, 02:56:46 PM
The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).
Corruption, fraud and bribery in football betting, this is not the first time this has happened in Brazil the same thing has happened to goalkeepers too The Full Story of Bruce Grobbelaar's Betting & Bribery Scandal (https://www.gambling.com/news/the-full-story-of-bruce-grobbelaar-match-fixing-betting-scandal-2393400), something bad if that happens.

I've read about: The Threat to Football from Betting-Related Corruption (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289159592_The_Threat_to_Football_from_Betting-Related_Corruption), which reads.
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Manipulation of on-field events for betting gain appears to be a growing problem in football and other sports. It can be linked to developments in the betting environment and is a potential threat to the football industry to the extent that it may deter fans, sponsors, and broadcasters from purchasing the product. Risks are highest in European lower-tier competitions where high liquidity in the betting market contrasts with modest incomes among players and officials. The liquidity is provided principally by Asian betting markets that are largely unregulated, which itself is a significant obstacle to protecting the sport from corruption.

If, what you say is true and if it is found out, Brazilian clubs can be seen as the worst football in the world, this will have a negative effect on bettors and football lovers in Brazil itself, for the actions of irresponsible people.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: virasisog on February 16, 2023, 03:12:25 PM
Just makes me wonder though, we have seen some threads about fix match and rigged and they are posting it here, not sure if you guys have seen it. Anyhow, my point is that it could be true that this kind of fix matching has been ongoing for many years already and there could be some insiders who are familiar with it and sharing it here although I can't say that for a fact. And if this coaches and players are investigated and found to be guilty, then appropriate punishment should be dealt with this kind of individuals as it is a shame for the sports who love it.
Fixed matchws do really exist for so long; from small to big leagues and tournaments. Problem is finding a paying one because for sure exclusivity would lways be a factor. On my end, I have never tried to engage with such scheme simply because of the idea that they are cheating in a way, so how come they would be fair for their players? this is not to generalize. But not only in this crypto industry, as well to others. It would be better to go toe-to-toe with the risk involved in gambling since that's the concept in the first plce, than to find  way for assured profit which is simply not a thing common in gambling industry. Also, enjoyment would be lacking I agree.

As long as there are gamblers who support fixed matches and those who want to take advantage of them, it will continuously run regardless of its illegality. Some players and gamblers take it as their comfort zone which is unfair to other gamblers. We shouldn't support any illegal activity that promotes cheating games. It's better to face the risks and play the legal way than to earn through cheating.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: dothebeats on February 16, 2023, 03:46:39 PM
If it's in the higher league, then this act will easily get caught. They might have done this a few games already but a lot of bookies will certainly caught wind of what's happening, unless of course they're also part of the act then there's not much to do about it. Those who are able to commit this kind of activity are usually those who are in position and in power to sweep everything under the rug, but fortunately they were able to catch it while it's hot. Though I believe that even though they catch the perpetrators in the act, this will continue happening so long as there are crooked people in the position of the higher leagues.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rdluffy on February 16, 2023, 03:56:37 PM
It is a shame for Brazil, but I also have to say that it doesn't only happen in Brazil, in many other countries there have been or still are such "scams".
This scam was only discovered because the bet didn't work out, the players didn't comply with the agreement and the bettor lost all the money from the bet.
Apparently it was a triple bet and only in the third game that didn't work.

I hope that they are now more strict with this kind of thing and really investigate all the leagues for these suspicious acts.

I'm curious to know which site this person made the bets, does anyone know?

I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information.
This is another question that deserves to be investigated.



Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: piebeyb on February 16, 2023, 04:00:19 PM
not only in brazil, many other countries do it like that, for example fixing scores in matches, therefore I have never been interested in betting on the minor leagues because there is potentially a lot of cheating there, that's why betting on the big leagues is safer even though sometimes I often see clubs big lose against small club i always thought there was a game in it, but i thought maybe it was just bad luck, lol
If you know which match is usually have fixing scores, then you can make easy money from that lol. Big leagues are high likely doesn't have any manipulation and it's safer to bet, but it doesn't make you rich if you not bet big amount of money. There are many matches on minor leagues are really worth to bet the underdog because the odds is really huge. In big leagues, usually the underdog have almost 0% chance to beat the favorite team due to huge gap difference.
usually I bet in the big league on top and bottom club matches, sometimes it's easier to predict but still read the analysis, sometimes sometimes the bottom club always makes a surprise beat the top club, but the name of gambling isn't really anyone knows the result and there is no luck factor there either


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Beparanf on February 16, 2023, 04:06:20 PM
I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information.
This is another question that deserves to be investigated.

It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself.

I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to established a case against this kind of organization.



Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Cling18 on February 16, 2023, 04:26:31 PM
I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information.
This is another question that deserves to be investigated.

It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself.

I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to establish a case against this kind of organization.



This has been happening in many betting companies and gambling industries in different countries. No one can stop it because no one is complaining or either filing a case because some of them are afraid of huge personalities behind these fixed matches and others can't provide concrete proof to support their claims. If gamblers will only be brave to file a legal complaint, cheaters will learn their lessons.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: bittraffic on February 16, 2023, 04:28:32 PM
I think of a scenario where the players themselves also bet on personal or team results, having inside information.
This is another question that deserves to be investigated.

It will be very hard to investigate on this conspiracy since everyone involved is benefiting for the inside information they can get. The only way to bust them is find someone inside that will betray address and leaked information to the authorities about what they are doing in the fixed match because it’s nonsense to conduct an investigation if there’s no lead on the case itself.

I believe this is the reason why case like matched fixing is very rare to caught because all accusation is just an speculation if there will be no evidence supporting the claim. Only a whistleblower can help authorities to established a case against this kind of organization.

The information got out though, there must be a snitch among them and some players didn't comply with the supposed act. Probably the one who receives less than $28K. According to the article bribing every player including the referee and coaches are the common way to fix a match. This is really proof that there is a fixed match in sports.

Surprisingly, all I thought these happen often in boxing where tough mafia guys are from South America
But corruption in sports cases in 11 countries based on Loughborough University research (2010-2018)
1 France
2 United Kingdom
3 Bulgaria


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: pawanjain on February 16, 2023, 04:32:45 PM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

Although it is very common in other games like cricket I have never heard it for football.
All I heard was football players are already paid huge amount for their games and so they don't even need bribes.
But I guess not all football players are paid such huge amounts. Bribery is common though.
We have already heard so many cases in so many games that it doesn't sound shocking now.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: TheGreatPython on February 16, 2023, 04:45:39 PM
The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.

I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.
The amount of time and effort they spend only to reach that rank is unimaginable and it's crazy on how they trade it for some quick buck. I don't think their pay is small but maybe those players are only confident that their acting skills are good enough for them to not get caught by the officials but you are right that games like this can be rare on a bigger league because most players still value their reputation much more than the bribes that they could possibly get and besides, they can still earn some cash reward I think?

No matter if they win or lose. The penalty that you suggested there is I think not big enough. Big is when they ban the players forever from playing but I like this better so that the rates of this cases might be lessened drastically.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: ralle14 on February 16, 2023, 04:52:51 PM
Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
Which match was fixed by the players? I tried looking for the article as I was interested to read more about the match fixing case but there weren't many results aside from this this one (https://www.gamesbras.com/english-version/2023/2/16/integrity-in-sport-how-to-identify-and-punish-match-fixing-in-brazil-35605.html).

This is why we should stick to the big leagues when betting but i'm surprised that a lot of the players are willing to put their careers on the line when they're just one step away from reaching the highest division in their country and potentially earning more in the long run. They could've earned that same amount by continuing to play but I guess they prefer to choose the worst way out.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rdluffy on February 16, 2023, 05:32:53 PM
Which match was fixed by the players? I tried looking for the article as I was interested to read more about the match fixing case but there weren't many results aside from this this one (https://www.gamesbras.com/english-version/2023/2/16/integrity-in-sport-how-to-identify-and-punish-match-fixing-in-brazil-35605.html).

It was these 3 matches:

Vila Nova x Sport
Criciúma x Tombense
Sampaio Correa x Londrina

None of these 6 teams are internationally recognized (maybe Sport Recife), they are teams from the second division of Brazilian soccer. But in Brazil everyone knows these teams.
One of the reasons for choosing these teams was precisely the lower visibility.




Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: BobK71 on February 16, 2023, 05:57:39 PM
The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.

I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.
The amount of time and effort they spend only to reach that rank is unimaginable and it's crazy on how they trade it for some quick buck. I don't think their pay is small but maybe those players are only confident that their acting skills are good enough for them to not get caught by the officials but you are right that games like this can be rare on a bigger league because most players still value their reputation much more than the bribes that they could possibly get and besides, they can still earn some cash reward I think?

No matter if they win or lose. The penalty that you suggested there is I think not big enough. Big is when they ban the players forever from playing but I like this better so that the rates of this cases might be lessened drastically.
Match fixing is a common term in recent times. Often such irregularities are reported which greatly affect the quality of any game. It is not just one player who is responsible. Everyone associated with it for influential. But it cannot be denied that if a player does not agree to fixing then no match fixing situation will arise. So it is definitely a player's responsibility and if it is proven, it should be punished severely.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Slow death on February 16, 2023, 06:02:50 PM
I wonder to what extent these people who organize this make a profit, because I keep thinking about the following:

there is a soccer game on the 16th for example, team A has odds of @2.00 and team B has odds @2.40, so someone decides to take 1 million dollars to pay all of team A and the coach to lose on purpose and that person would have to bet more than 1 million dollars on team B, but which bookmakers accept bets of more than 1 million dollars?

my point is that to manipulate a game is not something that can be done with little money and whoever does it is taking a lot of risk, I also don't understand these people bet where because in all casinos there is a maximum value to bet and I doubt it will pass 1 million dollars


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: passwordnow on February 16, 2023, 06:35:46 PM
I also have a neighbor who was a pro DOTA II player. He and his team were involved in match fixing. They were banned by Valve itself.
May I know who's this player? Did he manage his team to reach division 1 and then be relegated to division 2? I'm just curious to know who is this.

Fraud is also rampant in sports.
It's true that fraud and match-fixing is known in sports and that's why money in sports betting is relatively high. Looking at the amount paid to the players, it's not really that much to think of when they can get higher each contract that they get. But it's like a one-day pay day for them for selling these matches that they do. Whoever is/are behind, just paid them the barely and earned the most.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: cabron on February 16, 2023, 06:41:13 PM
I wonder to what extent these people who organize this make a profit, because I keep thinking about the following:

there is a soccer game on the 16th for example, team A has odds of @2.00 and team B has odds @2.40, so someone decides to take 1 million dollars to pay all of team A and the coach to lose on purpose and that person would have to bet more than 1 million dollars on team B, but which bookmakers accept bets of more than 1 million dollars?

my point is that to manipulate a game is not something that can be done with little money and whoever does it is taking a lot of risk, I also don't understand these people bet where because in all casinos there is a maximum value to bet and I doubt it will pass 1 million dollars

They will divide the $1M among different people. My guess.
According to the article, the crime group goes up to buy the club or the majority of shares of the club to have control over the decisions. It says the mafia will scout a club that is struggling with financial issues.

A club could mean the sport promotion or the sports federation. Seem like a very big crime group and politicians are probably among them.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Hispo on February 16, 2023, 06:49:02 PM
Does any Brazilian national around here know who Brazilian justice usually deals or punished this kind of organized crime inside the country?
I would have guessed that since Football is so important for the country and their culture in general this cases, which hurt their national pride and image, would be taken care of in a serious matter.

On the hand, I do not doubt organized crime syndicates there are indeed powerful as in other countries of Latin America.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: darkangel11 on February 16, 2023, 07:38:14 PM
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

This answers the question that people often ask when it comes to FIFA and UEFA championships. It doesn't happen in the highest leagues because of many reasons. Players earn too much money there so they aren't willing to risk their careers, too many people watch the games and it's much easier to see foul play when everybody plays high level football. The lower league it is the more fixed matches and it doesn't help if it's a poor country.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: AmoreJaz on February 16, 2023, 07:46:15 PM
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

This answers the question that people often ask when it comes to FIFA and UEFA championships. It doesn't happen in the highest leagues because of many reasons. Players earn too much money there so they aren't willing to risk their careers, too many people watch the games and it's much easier to see foul play when everybody plays high level football. The lower league it is the more fixed matches and it doesn't help if it's a poor country.

big leagues won't tolerate this kind of fraud also. it will be the end of the career of the players if they prove such act as true. so yeah, are they going to ruin their whole career with thousand dollars bribe? the whole world is watching so people will know if there is something unusual on their movements. lower leagues have the courage to do this act as maybe, some are thinking that they can end their career anytime just to get a hold of that money, or thinking that they won't be punished anyway.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: livingfree on February 16, 2023, 07:46:44 PM
The Series B are a good league in Brazil also after the Serie A the main league and I find it surprising that some players were bribed to commit penalties for just 29.000 dollars,I am assuming the pay of the players in this Serie B is not that good if the players agreed to fix things.I have always known that game fixing exists but not in such a big manner in the bigger leagues,for example what I thought to be a league that fixing game would be easy is 7th or 8th division in Denmark and Norway,they have a lot of such divisions and the players there are amateurs.
They wouldn't accept that if they're receiving a hefty amount of money from their salaries. But the fact that they've accepted the bribe to do the result the payor wants, it means that they receive not that much at all.

I think FIFA should start an investigation and make the teams and players who have done this responsible by giving them big penalties like moving the team to the lowest division with 10 years staying there no matter if they win that league.
Much a heavier penalty will stop these players to get involved into such fraudulent activities. Like a penalty of getting a lifetime ban and losing their access in the professional league.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Davidvictorson on February 16, 2023, 08:10:36 PM
Fraud is prevalent everywhere. The sports world is no exception. It is very rampant in low leagues where almost nobody pays attention. It is even in this leagues that sports bettors will cash out big time because before the game begins they already know that it is rigged and are confident that the team they place their wager on is going to win in the end. Infact it is a win-win for everyone- the gamblers, the officials, the players, the football teams. Sadly, this destroys core of the league and everything that sports stands for. It is even more damaging to the teams and players involved because they will never be able to perform at top tier clubs.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rahmad2nd on February 16, 2023, 08:14:18 PM
Unfortunately the OP didn't include a link as a reference for us to read more. talking about score fixing, player bribes, or whatever. I'm not surprised, especially in much smaller leagues. practices like this, will always exist as long as the federation concerned is also involved. bad system, weak regulation, which in the end will always be used by people who are always interested. either individually or as a group.

However generally, practices like these will always involve multiple parties. especially when it involves betting, as the OP tells in this thread. it seems that in any part of the world, practices like this will always exist but mostly in developing countries. even in my country too, something that smells of fixing is not something foreign to us. and this is the bad side, of the world of sports.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Fortify on February 16, 2023, 08:46:12 PM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

Do you have any source material to back up this claim? While I've no doubt it can happen, often it is a very hard charge to prove because these things are often done in hidden deals and it's easy enough to create these situations while looking like genuine play. Frankly I have no issue with people profiting at the expense of bookmakers, but it definitely brings the game into disrepute and is effectively cheating. You can never have a fair and honest game if you are playing with people who are trying to profit in this way. Most teams have thousands, or tens of thousands of adoring fans who wish to see a good game and these cheaters also let down their team mates who are trying to win. Hopefully big penalties, both financial and criminal sentences are handed out.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Gyfts on February 16, 2023, 08:59:57 PM
I never understood the angle of sports betting. The odds are not mathematical, they're speculative and subjective. Nearly ever major sports league in the world has had scandals involving rigging with individual players or corrupt officiating that's influenced the outcome of games.

Just makes me wonder though, we have seen some threads about fix match and rigged and they are posting it here, not sure if you guys have seen it. Anyhow, my point is that it could be true that this kind of fix matching has been ongoing for many years already and there could be some insiders who are familiar with it and sharing it here although I can't say that for a fact. And if this coaches and players are investigated and found to be guilty, then appropriate punishment should be dealt with this kind of individuals as it is a shame for the sports who love it.

There are hardly any punishments for these sorts of things. The punishment usually only comes through public pressure anyways. It's not as if these organizations cease to be fraudulent because the higher ups choose just push the liability onto other people and continue their fraud.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Fatunad on February 16, 2023, 10:07:01 PM
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

This answers the question that people often ask when it comes to FIFA and UEFA championships. It doesn't happen in the highest leagues because of many reasons. Players earn too much money there so they aren't willing to risk their careers, too many people watch the games and it's much easier to see foul play when everybody plays high level football. The lower league it is the more fixed matches and it doesn't help if it's a poor country.

big leagues won't tolerate this kind of fraud also. it will be the end of the career of the players if they prove such act as true. so yeah, are they going to ruin their whole career with thousand dollars bribe? the whole world is watching so people will know if there is something unusual on their movements. lower leagues have the courage to do this act as maybe, some are thinking that they can end their career anytime just to get a hold of that money, or thinking that they won't be punished anyway.
This is why it is really that impossible for these things to happen on big leagues or main games that we do know and there's no fool athlete would really be dealing up with such agreement considering that it would really put up their entire career if ever they would really be caught.This is why it would really be no surprise that these things do really happen on smaller ones on which it does have that less attention
on where these kind of motives and set ups could really be possible to happen or to be applied.This is why its not really that something or shocking anymore honestly
when it comes to this kind of situations.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: serjent05 on February 16, 2023, 10:16:04 PM
This is why it is really that impossible for these things to happen on big leagues or main games that we do know and there's no fool athlete would really be dealing up with such agreement considering that it would really put up their entire career if ever they would really be caught.This is why it would really be no surprise that these things do really happen on smaller ones on which it does have that less attention
on where these kind of motives and set ups could really be possible to happen or to be applied.This is why its not really that something or shocking anymore honestly
when it comes to this kind of situations.

There is a slim chance and it is not impossible in the big league.  Probably there had been happening but we are not aware of it because people who are involved in this kind of fraud are professionals and even if the league had known it, they just keep it a secret and do verification to judgment secretly not to affect the reputation of the league.

I believe if this kind of fraud is rampant in a smaller league, there is also a big chance that it is also happening in the major and big league.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: chaser15 on February 16, 2023, 10:22:06 PM
In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

These people just wasted their long-term opportunities to earn money in their careers. Can't believe they exchanged their reputation and career over quick fraud money. For sure, these athletes will face a lifetime ban and aside from that will face penalties in accordance with the law.

It might be easier earn to earn money by involving in the such act but the consequences are big if got caught. Aside from that, what a nerve they have to support their family coming from fraudulent money.

Lots of people want to become athletes but never get the opportunity to become one and yet there are pathetic athletes who are throwing away their build status just because of easy money without even thinking twice.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on February 16, 2023, 10:30:19 PM
I believe this isn't your original thought and it's very improper when you create threads from scraps of people's information in here without a source link; you have actually broken a rule and you might lose your account for this reasons I believe you know this things already
I'll advice that you fixup the link and make a proper citation to this post.
Well, the level of fraudulence in Brazil is appalling; but that ofcourse isn't happening in a major league cus they won't survive the next moment to continue Thier mischievous act. I'm wondering if they're not being paid well in that division so they need some extra funds from the public??

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: coin-investor on February 16, 2023, 10:45:53 PM
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Hey, OP, as long as you've been on the forum, you should know better than to include a link to the news item. I guess the news is in Portuguese? I've searched and I don't see anything about it but I did find this which is relevant to the general match fixing problem:



I hope OP will edit the thread and include the link where he gets that information, the absence of the article or link will treat the thread as speculation, and it's unfair to the football organization of Brazil that a discussion like this exists which no article to back it up, any organization doesn't want to be put in the bad light especially if the case is game fixing.
All sports organization owed their existence to the paying fans and supporters if they lose their trust they will lose sponsorships and the organization will crumble, so they have to be quick to investigate and ban people who are involved to game fixing.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: DoublerHunter on February 16, 2023, 10:58:30 PM
Fraud is prevalent everywhere. The sports world is no exception. It is very rampant in low leagues where almost nobody pays attention. It is even in this leagues that sports bettors will cash out big time because before the game begins they already know that it is rigged and are confident that the team they place their wager on is going to win in the end. Infact it is a win-win for everyone- the gamblers, the officials, the players, the football teams. Sadly, this destroys core of the league and everything that sports stands for. It is even more damaging to the teams and players involved because they will never be able to perform at top tier clubs.
^It is everywhere, it seems like corruption.
Fixed match has been there for a long time and no one will fear it because there is no heavy penalty for this which is it should be a must.
But that is definitely right, if this becomes rampant for now, in the future this will destroy all kinds of sports games and no one will believe in them since people know already that it is a fixed match and there is already a result. The sports gambling business will probably down because people always thought that every match was a scripted and fixed game.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Fatunad on February 16, 2023, 11:11:30 PM
This is why it is really that impossible for these things to happen on big leagues or main games that we do know and there's no fool athlete would really be dealing up with such agreement considering that it would really put up their entire career if ever they would really be caught.This is why it would really be no surprise that these things do really happen on smaller ones on which it does have that less attention
on where these kind of motives and set ups could really be possible to happen or to be applied.This is why its not really that something or shocking anymore honestly
when it comes to this kind of situations.

There is a slim chance and it is not impossible in the big league.  Probably there had been happening but we are not aware of it because people who are involved in this kind of fraud are professionals and even if the league had known it, they just keep it a secret and do verification to judgment secretly not to affect the reputation of the league.

I believe if this kind of fraud is rampant in a smaller league, there is also a big chance that it is also happening in the major and big league.
We dont know but for sure there is but you are right which we cant really tell on when it is happening because they arent that dumb to make it really that obvious.This is why we cant really remove the possibilities
considering that these kind of rigged plays could really happen.Its not something new anymore and its true that this is mostly happening on smaller leagues which not that much would really be watching.
This is why i dont really like to make out some bets on smaller league due to this kind of tendency and also its not really that something entertaining on watching them
honestly.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Vaskiy on February 16, 2023, 11:25:34 PM
After a long coming across some incident where the team players are being bribed for money making out of match fixing. The players involved have done big mistake money. Now he had ruined his football career. Also the money involved is really big. Also Brazil being a football nation this will surely be disappointment among the football fans.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: harizen on February 16, 2023, 11:30:10 PM
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

I was honestly surprised that something like that, which can consider "big", does have a case like that.

We all know that football is a highly recognized sport in Brazil that's why the gambling market for that sport is really huge. Because of that, it was being targeted by those who want to do some sh*t in sports betting.

I don't understand why players accept the bribe. They are already paid well for the long-term for just being a player in that big league.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: goldkingcoiner on February 16, 2023, 11:56:43 PM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

In third world countries, the mafia and other corrupt people, especially those sitting in the government, pretending to be politicians who work for the people, are always finding new ways to use gambling as a way to either launder money or scam money. If the governments keep doing nothing then this will not change any time soon. And people will lose their money to these crooks.

And the government won't change because they too, are being bribed by the criminals to look the other way while they steal from the people.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: kamvreto on February 17, 2023, 12:02:58 AM
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

I was honestly surprised that something like that, which can consider "big", does have a case like that.

We all know that football is a highly recognized sport in Brazil that's why the gambling market for that sport is really huge. Because of that, it was being targeted by those who want to do some sh*t in sports betting.

I don't understand why players accept the bribe. They are already paid well for the long-term for just being a player in that big league.

It could be because the money given for the bribe is greater than their salary. Some players who do have a small salary and poor performance will become targets for bribes. moreover they are still playing in the first team, so it would be more appropriate to serve as the main target of bribes.
It's no wonder there are still bribes like this in local leagues. There are many sports where bribes take place, not just football betting.
Well-known bribery cases in the sports world include the FIFA scandal in 2015, in which high-ranking FIFA officials were suspected of accepting bribes from certain parties, as well as the doping scandal involving well-known athletes such as Lance Armstrong and Maria Sharapova.
https://www.britannica.com/event/2015-FIFA-corruption-scandal


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Hispo on February 17, 2023, 12:57:16 AM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

In third world countries, the mafia and other corrupt people, especially those sitting in the government, pretending to be politicians who work for the people, are always finding new ways to use gambling as a way to either launder money or scam money. If the governments keep doing nothing then this will not change any time soon. And people will lose their money to these crooks.

And the government won't change because they too, are being bribed by the criminals to look the other way while they steal from the people.

Another reason to stick to provably fair games, I guess.
It is kind of sad because there are people who are very passionate with sport betting and they have to deal with this nasty reality.

I wonder how common this practices are in other countries like France or the United Kingdom in comparison to Brazil or Argentina, since I would expect corruption not to be as blatant in Western Europe. Politics messing with people's passions and entertainment...


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: romero121 on February 17, 2023, 01:18:47 AM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

In third world countries, the mafia and other corrupt people, especially those sitting in the government, pretending to be politicians who work for the people, are always finding new ways to use gambling as a way to either launder money or scam money. If the governments keep doing nothing then this will not change any time soon. And people will lose their money to these crooks.

And the government won't change because they too, are being bribed by the criminals to look the other way while they steal from the people.

Another reason to stick to provably fair games, I guess.
It is kind of sad because there are people who are very passionate with sport betting and they have to deal with this nasty reality.

I wonder how common this practices are in other countries like France or the United Kingdom in comparison to Brazil or Argentina, since I would expect corruption not to be as blatant in Western Europe. Politics messing with people's passions and entertainment...
Brazil have got the largest gambling market in Latin America. The same is being used by the frauds to make good money bribing the players. This is being well organised and are operating as gangs. Lawmakers need to be very careful and they should act fast and assure of such incidents won't happen anymore. In reality the politicians aren't much concerned about it. As mentioned this will truly affect the sporting industry as the audience watch with the mind, is it real game or fixed one.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: alegotardo on February 17, 2023, 01:23:03 AM
Hey, OP, as long as you've been on the forum, you should know better than to include a link to the news item. I guess the news is in Portuguese? I've searched and I don't see anything about it but I did find this which is relevant to the general match fixing problem

I'm sorry, my intention was to post the link, but I ended up forgetting when I finished writing the post with my arguments about this news.

Better late than never... follow the reference (in Portuguese): https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/apostadores-teriam-lucro-de-r-2-milhoes-com-fraude-em-jogo-da-serie-b (https://www.metropoles.com/brasil/apostadores-teriam-lucro-de-r-2-milhoes-com-fraude-em-jogo-da-serie-b)

Brazil have got the largest gambling market in Latin America. The same is being used by the frauds to make good money bribing the players. This is being well organised and are operating as gangs. Lawmakers need to be very careful and they should act fast and assure of such incidents won't happen anymore. In reality the politicians aren't much concerned about it. As mentioned this will truly affect the sporting industry as the audience watch with the mind, is it real game or fixed one.

I believe that... as gambling is prohibited in Brazil, politicians are not bothering too much about curbing this type of crime with the intention of making bets safer.

In fact they are using news like this to tell the population that gambling is something very risky, they are saying that it is a "criminal" thing and that nobody should spend their money on it.

Unfortunately, I think this political mentality around gambling will take time to change in Brazil


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Darker45 on February 17, 2023, 02:38:08 AM
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I'm kind of intrigued. Who is this neighbors of yours that is a pro DOTA 2 player?
Solo was also accused of match fixing as he placed a bet against his own team, Virtus Pro. Remember the 322 meme? It was originally pertaining to his act.

I won't drop any name, but suffice it to say that he's a player of Team Smart Omega or popularly known as Omega ESports. They were playing against Execration in the SEA DOTA Pro Circuit (DPC) 2021-2022. It was suspected that Omega ESports was throwing the game. Later on, after investigation, it was confirmed that they were involved in a match-fixing agreement. It was pretty obvious in the game. They were eventually banned from all Valve-sponsored events.

This is off-topic already, but the point is fraud in sports happen not just in the local, regional, and national levels; it happens even in the international level.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: ethereumhunter on February 17, 2023, 08:50:47 AM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

In third world countries, the mafia and other corrupt people, especially those sitting in the government, pretending to be politicians who work for the people, are always finding new ways to use gambling as a way to either launder money or scam money. If the governments keep doing nothing then this will not change any time soon. And people will lose their money to these crooks.

And the government won't change because they too, are being bribed by the criminals to look the other way while they steal from the people.
Maybe they can easily find people they can bribe to help them get what they want. Money laundering also involves people who sit in the government and they can use any means so that clean and honest officials cannot detect their activities. It takes a lot of effort from government members to clean up the institution so that there are no frauds in all fields. And I still believe there are honest and clean officials in government who have the will to clean up money laundering, bribery or other illegal things, even though it takes time to clean them up.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rodskee on February 17, 2023, 09:47:56 AM
not only in brazil, many other countries do it like that, for example fixing scores in matches, therefore I have never been interested in betting on the minor leagues because there is potentially a lot of cheating there, that's why betting on the big leagues is safer even though sometimes I often see clubs big lose against small club i always thought there was a game in it, but i thought maybe it was just bad luck, lol
or better bet in Pvp , I mean in actual game and betting against another player as this is what I love doing in regards to sports betting with minor league involvement.

but in online ? or in something like what posted here? lol I hate to tell but there are so much risk to be taken.

Like here in my place there are several league that happening in sports complex so we go there and put our bets.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Wexnident on February 17, 2023, 10:47:59 AM
Damn, I reckon players would really only undergo such frauds would be if their team somehow doesn't pay them enough or the team itself is bonkers and somehow want to make a quick buck (or politics, still the same anyway imo). Still can't imagine it really, my environment is rather far from these types of scenarios or occurrences.


I believe that... as gambling is prohibited in Brazil, politicians are not bothering too much about curbing this type of crime with the intention of making bets safer.

In fact they are using news like this to tell the population that gambling is something very risky, they are saying that it is a "criminal" thing and that nobody should spend their money on it.

Unfortunately, I think this political mentality around gambling will take time to change in Brazil
Isn't that kind of contradictory? I mean it's not like gambling for sports is ever gonna disappear, there are other countries out there that gamble with sports so if they just leave it, the teams that still play inside their tournaments can and will still engage in such activities (selling the game).


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rdluffy on February 17, 2023, 12:06:28 PM
And there has already been one person arrested, he is a businessman, he is suspected of having made the bets and also of having contacted the players and made the advance payment of a part of the payment.

Now get ready for a curious news story about how they caught this person.

There were supposed to be three penalties in three matches, but in the third match there was no penalty and the person lost his bet.
This third match was for a player from the Vila Nova team to take the penalty, and since he didn't do it, the person called the president of the team himself to help him to collect the money from the player.
Important detail, the president had no relation with this fraud, and the president is a police major.  :D :D :D

It's ridiculous, but at least the person got caught.

Source of this information: https://bnldata.com.br/empresario-preso-em-sp-por-fraudes-era-quem-fazia-apostas-e-intermediava-contatos-com-jogadores-diz-mp/


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: mvdheuvel1983 on February 17, 2023, 12:40:23 PM
Sports betting fraud, I would say is as old as man's existence. Is it closely related to greed. It kills the game of soccer especially in the not-so-popular leagues where it is frequently committed.
True soccer fans with keen observation and experience in the sport know that most of the fouls committed during the game do not just happen. It is premeditated. In our local league some time ago, a leaked audio record revealed that a player who plays the defence was received a huge amount of money to cause penalty against his own team during the tournament.
And he actually did, and his team lost in the game. Sports betting fraud happens anywhere and everywhere there the game occur. And as we know it requires a group of people to execute it. Most players are gamblers even some coaches and referees. So, fraud in sport betting is inevitable.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: klidex on February 17, 2023, 01:03:59 PM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
This type of bribery fraud in betting on sports matches often occurs anywhere, especially if in sports betting there are several rich people who come in to bet, it is easier to manipulate a match.
Maybe not only rich bettors who benefit, but both teams that compete will also benefit because one team wins and the team that loses gets paid from the results of the agreement with the bettor.
Maybe this kind of thing often happens in several sports matches in certain leagues and happens very often.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: len01 on February 17, 2023, 01:20:15 PM
such scams in sports betting are common in several countries and even in national matches there are sometimes such scams and bribe some players to lose.
although I have often seen this kind of fraud, after reading this thread I was wondering why such fraud still occurs frequently and sometimes occurs in national matches.

we as gamblers may feel disadvantaged by the player's bribery. what we should have won but lost, that's really sad.
and usually such scams are frequent in live sports betting.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: xSkylarx on February 17, 2023, 01:48:25 PM
Those players are just playing for money. Most of those powerful and rich people want to somehow control the game or game fixing it so that they will win their bet. It was really sad that athletes or players can be paid money just to do those acts or make their game lose, as for them, money matters the most. This really can affect the image of sports in Brazil for sure, as it was involved in the fraud, and sports bettors in that country will more likely not bet in those games.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Peanutswar on February 17, 2023, 02:15:43 PM
We know how does sports betting get attractive to people because of the satisfaction it can give during the game the same time supporting their favourite team. also, there's a significant numbers of names involved with this game too,. Hence, some of them make a bet,, and that causes the same time having transactions under the table with the management which is having the match-fixing this is very common in different sports that they know there's a huge bet and wins with this so they can quickly turn around the game sometimes it just the mistake of the players reason why they throw the game.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: molsewid on February 17, 2023, 02:20:39 PM
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I'm kind of intrigued. Who is this neighbors of yours that is a pro DOTA 2 player?
Solo was also accused of match fixing as he placed a bet against his own team, Virtus Pro. Remember the 322 meme? It was originally pertaining to his act.

I won't drop any name, but suffice it to say that he's a player of Team Smart Omega or popularly known as Omega ESports. They were playing against Execration in the SEA DOTA Pro Circuit (DPC) 2021-2022. It was suspected that Omega ESports was throwing the game. Later on, after investigation, it was confirmed that they were involved in a match-fixing agreement. It was pretty obvious in the game. They were eventually banned from all Valve-sponsored events.

This is off-topic already, but the point is fraud in sports happen not just in the local, regional, and national levels; it happens even in the international level.
It happens in DOTA as well? they did that as well in mobile legends. Hmm I think this team has a serious problem that needed to take an action, thought it may look like they are just doing that for fun but it happen so many times, how can their supporters trust their credibility and integrity if they are okay with matchmaking and selling some match. For me it will be considered as fraud as well.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on February 17, 2023, 02:34:15 PM
This is also known as match fixing if I understand the OP clear enough, I am not surprised by the way, this is something that have existed for as long as gambling and betting itself, I am really not happy to say that such problems as this will never find a long lasting solution, there can never be a time when matching rigging, as well as fixing would be completely eradicated from our system, we can only try to manage it, that is reduce it, its something that have been since of old, and will continue even unto the unforeseen future.
This is not something peculiar to brazil alone, it is present in every country.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Woodie on February 17, 2023, 03:17:30 PM
With sports betting being a very big business now, match fixing was always going to drag in these smaller leagues as players are poorly paid, teams lack the financial resources to make them better , and the leagues are certainly given less attention which make them the perfect candidate to this fraudulent business.

And those amounts they are paid for a division 2, division 3 tier team was always going to lure plays to be the pawns in this betting syndicate, and only solution is to pay players better otherwise this won't stop anytime soon.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: uneng on February 17, 2023, 03:19:20 PM
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I believe a scandal like this was just a matter of time, taking the history of the country with previous corruption schemes, recent skyrocket of sports betting platforms' popularity locally, and a fertile niche to execute a profitable scam, like the Serie B, since attention from public and media is mostly focused in Serie A.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rahmad2nd on February 17, 2023, 08:05:03 PM
This is also known as match fixing if I understand the OP clear enough, I am not surprised by the way, this is something that have existed for as long as gambling and betting itself, I am really not happy to say that such problems as this will never find a long lasting solution, there can never be a time when matching rigging, as well as fixing would be completely eradicated from our system, we can only try to manage it, that is reduce it, its something that have been since of old, and will continue even unto the unforeseen future.
This is not something peculiar to brazil alone, it is present in every country.

Yes, it was clear that this was a match fixing. even though they have unique ways that are also different, basically in essence all of them aim to rig the results of a match. referring to the source of the link that the OP shared, the actor of the main culprit has been arrested. in this case, I don't really understand how the betting fraud works and the mechanism they run.

practices like these, however, are nothing new to us. and as you said, this is not something that only happens in Brazil, but it can happen in many countries, especially developing countries. there are various ways and modes, in match fixing practices. but what is certain, practices like this can occur because of a bad system and weak regulations, so that it can be exploited by elements or parties who are not responsible.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Casdinyard on February 17, 2023, 08:23:34 PM
If it's possible for this kind of competition for fraud to occur, how much more to much smaller competitions. There are local and regional competitions everywhere. Some games must be rigged. Some detected, some not.

Here, there was also a national basketball competition where a team was obviously throwing the game. It was Manny Pacquiao himself who filed the case against those who were involved in the fixing.

I also have a neighbor who was a pro DOTA II player. He and his team were involved in match fixing. They were banned by Valve itself.

Fraud is also rampant in sports.
Bribing and game fixing is pretty common on small-scale tournaments and local games. I've heard about a whole basketball team being investigated because of how lame they played comparing to their previous ones, I believe this was in 2019 or so. Since these games are low-stakes and would probably not fill seats in the stadium, as an athlete accepting bribes and fixing games is your best bet at earning quick bucks, of course at the expense of the integrity of the game that you devoted your whole life to. Although there are multiple parameters set now that are aimed at reducing if not outright preventing game fixing and sports fraud, as you have said, there's still a huge number that flies off the radar undetected.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: FanEagle on February 17, 2023, 09:21:32 PM
I would guess that it is normal for these type of things to happen unfortunately, specially when we are talking about clubs that are not even in the top division. Most of these players get paid very little, and they would accept these type of offers in a heart beat, unless they are posed to go to next stage and young talents to be stars in the future.

I think it is a shame, but this can't be just Brazilian teams, I am sure aside from a few big nations, it must be true for almost all nations and that is why it looks quite sad, because we know that this si just the one that we learned about, imagine how many there are out there that we haven't even heard about.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Oilacris on February 17, 2023, 09:55:26 PM
I would guess that it is normal for these type of things to happen unfortunately, specially when we are talking about clubs that are not even in the top division. Most of these players get paid very little, and they would accept these type of offers in a heart beat, unless they are posed to go to next stage and young talents to be stars in the future.

I think it is a shame, but this can't be just Brazilian teams, I am sure aside from a few big nations, it must be true for almost all nations and that is why it looks quite sad, because we know that this si just the one that we learned about, imagine how many there are out there that we haven't even heard about.
Could really happen on smaller leagues or to those who arent that known but pretty much sure that once these fixed matches or fraudulent acts would be caught it would really be still making up some

noises which is something not that really surprising but eventually it would really be just simply forgottenby people since the teams or players involved arent really that much known or something.

They might faced up some charges and violations if ever get caught but we know that it wouldn't really be that much on severe.Expect for these things to happen yet it is really that
be on this way.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: robelneo on February 17, 2023, 09:57:22 PM
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Hey, OP, as long as you've been on the forum, you should know better than to include a link to the news item. I guess the news is in Portuguese? I've searched and I don't see anything about it but I did find this which is relevant to the general match fixing problem:

Suspicious sports results? Mafia might have fixed them (https://www.europeandatajournalism.eu/eng/News/Data-news/Suspicious-sports-results-Mafia-might-have-fixed-them)

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Organised crime groups make an estimated €120 million of profit a year from betting-related match-fixing in sports events. Not only football matches are fixed, but tennis results are also manipulated more and more. And sports mafia are no longer only corrupting players, but clubs too.

I think we need to send him a pm to include the link he might have forgotten to include the link so we can verify his post because it's very particular to an organization and country, but it's not only happening in Brazil every country's sports organization have their own shares of game fixing even if they have strict rules in game fixing.
This is because the sports mafia is well organized and there are players or officials of the team that are cooperating with this mafia.
It happens in the past it's still happening and will happen in the future because game fixing is very profitable.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: crzy on February 17, 2023, 09:59:03 PM
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I believe a scandal like this was just a matter of time, taking the history of the country with previous corruption schemes, recent skyrocket of sports betting platforms' popularity locally, and a fertile niche to execute a profitable scam, like the Serie B, since attention from public and media is mostly focused in Serie A.
Its a fixed matches, so those people behind this manipulation is surely making a lot of money and of course the sports itself benefited from that and that’s why they are still doing this.

If there’s a big mafia behind this one, how can the government stop this if some of them are also involve to this for sure. This is the risk on a sports betting, hard to know if they are a fixed matches or not, its also happening in other sports.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: uneng on February 17, 2023, 10:08:22 PM
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
I believe a scandal like this was just a matter of time, taking the history of the country with previous corruption schemes, recent skyrocket of sports betting platforms' popularity locally, and a fertile niche to execute a profitable scam, like the Serie B, since attention from public and media is mostly focused in Serie A.
Its a fixed matches, so those people behind this manipulation is surely making a lot of money and of course the sports itself benefited from that and that’s why they are still doing this.

If there’s a big mafia behind this one, how can the government stop this if some of them are also involve to this for sure. This is the risk on a sports betting, hard to know if they are a fixed matches or not, its also happening in other sports.
Due to the country's history, it's really possible that there could be an agent of the government involved on this kind of scheme, at least at some point of the case, as the judiciary, legislative and executive are very close to each other. Maybe what we know so far is just the top of the iceberg. It was said 3 players are under suspicion, but there could be more we don't know yet. Investigations are happening in real time, so it's early to say 'how deep the hole is". Let's see if this case is going to be taken till the end.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: South Park on February 17, 2023, 10:09:10 PM
I would guess that it is normal for these type of things to happen unfortunately, specially when we are talking about clubs that are not even in the top division. Most of these players get paid very little, and they would accept these type of offers in a heart beat, unless they are posed to go to next stage and young talents to be stars in the future.

I think it is a shame, but this can't be just Brazilian teams, I am sure aside from a few big nations, it must be true for almost all nations and that is why it looks quite sad, because we know that this si just the one that we learned about, imagine how many there are out there that we haven't even heard about.
And that is what makes this so worrying, since anyone that takes some time to think about this can tell it is impossible this is an isolated incident, this probably happens all over the world and at every single sport there is, so this calls into question the whole purpose of sports as it is not longer about who is the most skilled competitor and instead it becomes about who has the biggest amount of money to manipulate the results, which help us understand why professional leagues do what they can to hide news like this so sports fans do not get disappointed about the lack of integrity on sports.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: KTChampions on February 17, 2023, 10:35:14 PM
$28,000 seems like a tempting amount to just score a penalty in a game at a certain time, so I'm not surprised that athletes have been able to get involved. I am surprised by another - is the market for betting on penalties at certain times so large that the bets that allow fraudsters to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars have long gone unnoticed? It seems to me that the very first big bet (even if it was split into many small ones) would have attracted attention.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: DoublerHunter on February 17, 2023, 10:47:28 PM
$28,000 seems like a tempting amount to just score a penalty in a game at a certain time, so I'm not surprised that athletes have been able to get involved. I am surprised by another - is the market for betting on penalties at certain times so large that the bets that allow fraudsters to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars have long gone unnoticed? It seems to me that the very first big bet (even if it was split into many small ones) would have attracted attention.
^ It is possible that there are thousands of dollars in unnoticed big wins from fraudsters, I can't imagine how big this amount is but one thing that I know, this is a huge amount that is easy to spot. I also have this thought, what is the penalty for the athletes if someone caught them the same issue? It should be memorable penalties so that they will not do it again or those athletes planning the same way will be afraid because of the possible penalties. Hopefully, our betting organizers will have a solution for this, it will harm their institution if this will continue.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: qwertyup23 on February 17, 2023, 10:50:11 PM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

If this allegation is supposedly true, then the commissioner has to do something about the players. They should be absolutely prohibited to participate in all sports events as they are the ones who destroy the integrity and the spirit of the sport for corruption and money. All the people that are involved should be severely penalized in this aspect and they should be prohibited from stepping foot into any sports that they enter.

Sports betting has the spirit of betting into a team due to the knowledge that you have. If a team supposedly fixes the game, this completely destroys the purpose on why this category of gambling has been created and this will significantly prejudiced the rights of these users.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: libert19 on February 18, 2023, 03:29:34 AM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on February 18, 2023, 07:58:07 AM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
Well, it is just what it is, like I said in my earlier comment, match fixing as well as rigging is not something that is peculiar to brazil alone, this is something that is happening in every country and in every season.
As long as there is a means of making money, then be rest assured that some persons will try to find the easy way to gather as much money as they can, and this is where the issue of fraud comes into play, I can tell you that more money are made through illegal means, than it is made legitimately.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Mauser on February 18, 2023, 08:08:00 AM
The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

There isn't much information here and I would expect that most news about this are in Portuguese for the smaller Brazilian leagues. But since this scam must involve a lot of players who tried to get penalties, I wonder now how long this scam actually worked before it was found out. 150,000 Reais is a lot of money in the poorer regions of Brazil, in the big cities like Rio and Sao Paulo this is not that much again. Once this scam is being discovered the career is over and you will likely have to repay all your illegitimate gains. Maybe all the players involved managed to bet on the games themselves and increased their payouts like that. Otherwise this seems like too risky compared to the payoff. What I find most surprising is that betting fraud in football lately involves mostly players and not the referees. Isn't the risk too high to involve a large number of players in the fraud? The more people involved the higher the chance that someone will tell friends about it and the whole scam will be uncovered. Having a rigged match in sports betting is like winning the lottery, we can bet all our money on the most risky outcome and make a huge profit. The problem is only if we can trust the match is fixed or not.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: xSkylarx on February 18, 2023, 09:08:44 AM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.

That is also my thoughts we really dont know how many games they fixed and bribe players just to make the game lose. For sure that would be a lot of games and we haven't noticed it that is why they keep doing it and also I think that is their business to find another bettor that has money who will bet big and they will then do this so that they are the one who will win. I hope this will stop now and I am worried if this still continue doing as they are powerful people thay no one cant stop them


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: michellee on February 18, 2023, 01:41:27 PM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.

That is also my thoughts we really dont know how many games they fixed and bribe players just to make the game lose. For sure that would be a lot of games and we haven't noticed it that is why they keep doing it and also I think that is their business to find another bettor that has money who will bet big and they will then do this so that they are the one who will win. I hope this will stop now and I am worried if this still continue doing as they are powerful people thay no one cant stop them
As long as their operations are still difficult to detect and find until they are punished for their actions, they will continue to do so because they have the money, human resources and time to find people who can help them to commit bribes. They already have people helping them so that they still have someone else to replace the task if one is caught.

If the government is really serious about stopping it, it should thoroughly search and investigate every suspicious case. If necessary, the government can place an undercover agent to open the business and report it to the government.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Johnyz on February 18, 2023, 02:08:33 PM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
This might be correct especially if you are doing this on a corrupt country, and probably some government official are making money here as well.
Fraud is everywhere, hard to tell if the game is fixed or not because the players can also be part of it. Sports betting are easy to fraud, if there's a huge money in the table. The mafia knows where to make money and with that, Brazil sports might be one of their favorite spot to do this. You're lucky if you are able to get a signal for a fixed matches, its not easy to have that signal though and no guarantee for if its true or not.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: molsewid on February 18, 2023, 03:54:06 PM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.

That is also my thoughts we really dont know how many games they fixed and bribe players just to make the game lose. For sure that would be a lot of games and we haven't noticed it that is why they keep doing it and also I think that is their business to find another bettor that has money who will bet big and they will then do this so that they are the one who will win. I hope this will stop now and I am worried if this still continue doing as they are powerful people thay no one cant stop them
I think if a team already has this issue, they should be banned for some games and if it is proven guilty for match making they should get out of the league. Players don't have a problem with this maybe they are accountable as well but I think administration of the team should be banned. It is very unfair to have a fixed match, not only for our us since we love sports betting and we love to bet but the thing is they are just doing shameless thing for the sake of money.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: jostorres on February 18, 2023, 05:08:52 PM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
That is also my thoughts we really dont know how many games they fixed and bribe players just to make the game lose. For sure that would be a lot of games and we haven't noticed it that is why they keep doing it and also I think that is their business to find another bettor that has money who will bet big and they will then do this so that they are the one who will win. I hope this will stop now and I am worried if this still continue doing as they are powerful people thay no one cant stop them
For sure there a lot now but the majority of them are not only obvious. They really played it well because what they are doing is against the law and there are serious consequences about it once they got caught out. Don't worry because like what @libert said, god still sees it and he is the only one that will punish those abusers. They still can't succeed further in their life or these people can suffer later on. Match fixing is a kind of business to those who do it.

This is where they earn easy and huge money. They will find a bettor and then they can get commissions on those winning bets. I am sorry but I think this won't stop anytime soon. Even if some are caught, this could still happen on other games, teams or regions.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: virasog on February 18, 2023, 07:17:29 PM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
This might be correct especially if you are doing this on a corrupt country, and probably some government official are making money here as well.
Fraud is everywhere, hard to tell if the game is fixed or not because the players can also be part of it. Sports betting are easy to fraud, if there's a huge money in the table. The mafia knows where to make money and with that, Brazil sports might be one of their favorite spot to do this. You're lucky if you are able to get a signal for a fixed matches, its not easy to have that signal though and no guarantee for if its true or not.

Match fixing or sports betting fraud is a big crime and unfortunately, the real beneficiaries for these are the national players and maybe the government is also involved in fraud of such a big level.

I will try to give you an example and you will see how big this game is. Let's suppose a Strong Team has a match with a very weak team and it is certain that a strong team will win. Almost 90% will bet on the strong team. Now the Strong team decided to fix the match, lose it, and before the match, they place a million dollars bet on the weak team (the odds are also high for weak teams).

The strong team loses the match, lose the match winning money but won 100 times more in the bet. The government can also involve in this if they decide to inject even more capital in this fixed match bet.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: madnessteat on February 18, 2023, 07:33:11 PM
^

Of course the fixed matches aren't going anywhere. No matter what country we live in, we all know that most countries are corrupt. In the highest circles of power corruption is also in use, only there are other amounts. I'm sure that in most countries the government is involved in a lot of dirty business and fixed matches also belong to this, because it is one of the ways not only to launder money, but also to increase it.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: stomachgrowls on February 18, 2023, 07:44:24 PM
^

Of course the fixed matches aren't going anywhere. No matter what country we live in, we all know that most countries are corrupt. In the highest circles of power corruption is also in use, only there are other amounts. I'm sure that in most countries the government is involved in a lot of dirty business and fixed matches also belong to this, because it is one of the ways not only to launder money, but also to increase it.
Always to those people who are sitting on the top of the chain would be always have the power and the rights on doing on whatever they do want considering that they do have the power and the finances then
everything could really be that possible and its not really a shocking thing after all.

This is why its not really something that new when it comes on rigging up games and any fraudulent activities made up in behind.It is really just that sad specially into those people who
do have make out bets and overall ethicality and general essence of sport which it had been destroyed out due to this one.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: nakamura12 on February 18, 2023, 08:13:45 PM

Always to those people who are sitting on the top of the chain would be always have the power and the rights on doing on whatever they do want considering that they do have the power and the finances then
everything could really be that possible and its not really a shocking thing after all.

This is why its not really something that new when it comes on rigging up games and any fraudulent activities made up in behind.It is really just that sad specially into those people who
do have make out bets and overall ethicality and general essence of sport which it had been destroyed out due to this one.
I think some people wanted to win when they bet and to have a higher chance of winning and the person or people who bet opposite will surely lose and I think that the organizer of the game will surely gain profit because of it. People like us who are not rich or have the ability to those things. Not really sure if this is really happening but I think they also sell it like they get paid and the person who pay will be informed that the game or match is fixed and let's say Team A will win and Team B will lose the match against Team A but in a way where it won't be obvious that they intentionally lose the game. Let mw know guys if this really happen. I am only assuming that it is possible since I think it is possible to make the game a fixed matches hence why it is being discussed.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: 348Judah on February 18, 2023, 08:24:46 PM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
This might be correct especially if you are doing this on a corrupt country, and probably some government official are making money here as well.
Fraud is everywhere, hard to tell if the game is fixed or not because the players can also be part of it. Sports betting are easy to fraud, if there's a huge money in the table. The mafia knows where to make money and with that, Brazil sports might be one of their favorite spot to do this. You're lucky if you are able to get a signal for a fixed matches, its not easy to have that signal though and no guarantee for if its true or not.

Match fixing or sports betting fraud is a big crime and unfortunately, the real beneficiaries for these are the national players and maybe the government is also involved in fraud of such a big level.

I will try to give you an example and you will see how big this game is. Let's suppose a Strong Team has a match with a very weak team and it is certain that a strong team will win. Almost 90% will bet on the strong team. Now the Strong team decided to fix the match, lose it, and before the match, they place a million dollars bet on the weak team (the odds are also high for weak teams).

The strong team loses the match, lose the match winning money but won 100 times more in the bet. The government can also involve in this if they decide to inject even more capital in this fixed match bet.

We cannot actually predict who is under some of these attacks since all we canbsee is only on what they presented on us, this may not be applicable to only Brazil alone but any country can as well ve involved, some sport were believe to be fixed though they will make it appears that it's live, if we look at the role being played by Brazil in participating in all manners of sports, we can see how active they have being but things like this aren't common that the government may be involved in setting up a game just to defraud it citizens or gamblers, but individuals does.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: blockman on February 18, 2023, 08:29:13 PM
Match fixing or sports betting fraud is a big crime and unfortunately, the real beneficiaries for these are the national players and maybe the government is also involved in fraud of such a big level.
The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Mr.right85 on February 18, 2023, 08:42:19 PM

There is nothing out of the ordinary about this. It's nor.al for these developing leagues or series to have some fraudulent practices such as match fixing within therr organisation and it makes me wonder of the rules in football doesn't apply, if they've got no governing body to put these things in check because, some are way too obvious.

I saw a clip on YouTube some years ago and the player practically faced the corner spot or was it the throwing and sent the ball flying. I felt mocked because it was an African league but these fixing or manipulations are not any good. It makes people lose trust in the process.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: bitbollo on February 18, 2023, 08:53:55 PM
sadly it's still the same old problem.
since it is possible to bet even on minor leagues it is easier to observe these frouds.

in Italy there was recently a scandal involving fourth division teams (!) just to give an idea of how widespread the problem is...


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: TheGreatPython on February 18, 2023, 09:03:45 PM
If it's possible for this kind of competition for fraud to occur, how much more to much smaller competitions. There are local and regional competitions everywhere. Some games must be rigged. Some detected, some not.

Here, there was also a national basketball competition where a team was obviously throwing the game. It was Manny Pacquiao himself who filed the case against those who were involved in the fixing.

I also have a neighbor who was a pro DOTA II player. He and his team were involved in match fixing. They were banned by Valve itself.

Fraud is also rampant in sports.
Cheating in e-sports events and tournaments have been pretty high in the years 2020-2022 or maybe even in 2023, since I didn't hear any news about it so far so I didn't include it. People cheat in all sorts of ways, some using hack files in their systems and some misusing bugs and glitches to gain more exposure or advantages within a game.

Among all, fixing a match sounds to be the easiest way to me for an e-sports player since there is nothing else to make it suspicious unless a team or a player starts playing noticeably bad all of a sudden compared to their game quality from before. Even if things are investigated, one can easily say that it's just a game and anything can happen.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: KTChampions on February 18, 2023, 09:18:15 PM
$28,000 seems like a tempting amount to just score a penalty in a game at a certain time, so I'm not surprised that athletes have been able to get involved. I am surprised by another - is the market for betting on penalties at certain times so large that the bets that allow fraudsters to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars have long gone unnoticed? It seems to me that the very first big bet (even if it was split into many small ones) would have attracted attention.
^ It is possible that there are thousands of dollars in unnoticed big wins from fraudsters, I can't imagine how big this amount is but one thing that I know, this is a huge amount that is easy to spot. I also have this thought, what is the penalty for the athletes if someone caught them the same issue? It should be memorable penalties so that they will not do it again or those athletes planning the same way will be afraid because of the possible penalties. Hopefully, our betting organizers will have a solution for this, it will harm their institution if this will continue.

I do not think that significant amounts can go unnoticed - statistically, any fluctuations are very visible, and in such a not very popular market as a penalty, any hundred thousand dollars of bias in one of the parties clearly indicates that this is a fixed game.
As for the penalties, they should be very severe - suspension from games for several years, but usually this does not happen, since it is one thing to statistically detect fraud and another thing to legally prove it.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Accardo on February 18, 2023, 09:24:12 PM
Bet has always been one of the aim of any competition, almost every sportsman is involved in the act. The top officials in football, stake bets, and influential people in the governing bodies of the sports can manipulate the outcome of a game because of greed and to secure wealth. A person that stakes 1 million dollar for a single game would by any means try to win the game. Sometimes, I doubt the VAR technology, these days a lot of goals are being cancelled, which kills the joy of watching football. Quite true, it's always an offside, but before the VAR was initiated not all of these were seen, then, in the past, people enjoyed watching football. For instance, the PSG and Bayern munich goal scored by Mbappe that was later cancelled, that would have been considered a goal without the VAR as it was unnoticed, so these techs can be used to rig games and it can't be questioned. On the other side, these players are professionals and they've mastered the way football works, they can decide to kick a ball on the goal bar or pole, spectators would consider it a mistake, but the player purposefully kicked the ball on the pole. Hence, it will be difficult not to experience this in football or other games, the gambling niche controls a huge aspect of sports. And the bodies who run the gambling companies are the underworld family bosses, so we should expect the unexpected.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: TimeTeller on February 18, 2023, 09:57:32 PM
Match fixing or sports betting fraud is a big crime and unfortunately, the real beneficiaries for these are the national players and maybe the government is also involved in fraud of such a big level.
The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: QueenVera on February 19, 2023, 03:09:17 AM
We've heard and seen some similar cases of match fixing but this very one caught my attention because it's a large competition and if such a competition can be rigged then, how much more are the hopes of smaller teams and competition?

Just as other users have said and most of this match fixing are done in developing countries by some group of very influential and wealth persons because rigging and fixing of matches can mostly be done by people who have what it take to buy the minds of people and make some good and vuge returns in return.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: n0ne on February 19, 2023, 03:37:16 AM
We've heard and seen some similar cases of match fixing but this very one caught my attention because it's a large competition and if such a competition can be rigged then, how much more are the hopes of smaller teams and competition?

Just as other users have said and most of this match fixing are done in developing countries by some group of very influential and wealth persons because rigging and fixing of matches can mostly be done by people who have what it take to buy the minds of people and make some good and vuge returns in return.
Rather than developing countries, these kind of incidents were common in the countries where specific sports is popular. Think about Brazil, automatically everyone remember football when the name Brazil is found somewhere. Such kind of fraud happening in those countries could destroy the real spirit over the sports. What is being done by these frauds were a destruction to the future generation.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: irhact on February 19, 2023, 06:01:44 AM
Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

The money involved shouldn't be surprising because football is very big over there in Brazil, contradicting to what FIFA ranking is, I think Brazil are the best footballing nation in the world and since match fixing is a very big problem in other part of the world that has less footballing heritage, I didn't expect Brazil to be any less, I'm just glad they were caught as this is a good warning to others wanting to go in this same path.

Due to reports like these, I'm of the opinion that the less championship competition to be removed as so many fraud are ongoing over there. Casino shouldn't put games been played there as an option to bet because so many match fixing can be organized without been notified unlike the profession competitions.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Jawhead999 on February 19, 2023, 07:48:14 AM
Due to reports like these, I'm of the opinion that the less championship competition to be removed as so many fraud are ongoing over there. Casino shouldn't put games been played there as an option to bet because so many match fixing can be organized without been notified unlike the profession competitions.
If there's huge demand and cash flow around the league, any bookies will add that leagues because they can earn more money and if it's found the match was fixed, the casino can easily to void every bettors who bet in that's matches. This is the reason why to cash out your winnings, it's take few hours or days, to make sure the matches were not fixed and the casino wouldn't rekt.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: slapper on February 19, 2023, 11:31:15 AM
Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second-largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

The money involved shouldn't be surprising because football is very big over there in Brazil, contradicting to what FIFA ranking is, I think Brazil are the best footballing nation in the world and since match fixing is a very big problem in other part of the world that has less footballing heritage, I didn't expect Brazil to be any less, I'm just glad they were caught as this is a good warning to others wanting to go in this same path.

Due to reports like these, I'm of the opinion that the less championship competition to be removed as so many fraud are ongoing over there. Casino shouldn't put games been played there as an option to bet because so many match fixing can be organized without been notified unlike the profession competitions.
It's heartbreaking to see match-fixing stain any sport, especially football, the world's favorite. Brazil's unsportsmanlike behavior is disgusting. It's fantastic that those cheaters were caught, but there are still many more out there. Match-fixing is complex and requires many solutions. Should we eliminate championship competitions or investigate other options? Gambling dens—nevermind! To ensure their games aren't tainted, they should step up and check. It's complicated, but we must keep attentive and protect the game's honor. As for me, I just can't help but wonder what other skeletons might come tumbling out of the closet.





Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Die_empty on February 19, 2023, 11:42:38 AM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.
Poverty and greed is the main driver of this match-fixing scandal in Brazil. 28,000 dollars is a whole lot of money in Brazil. Some of these players are not well paid making them live in abject poverty. So they cannot resist this opportunity to make this huge sum of money even if it might affect their football career negatively or give them a jail term.

Some of them are not just content with the money they earn. They have this strong desire to live above their means. Therefore, they tend to grab this illegal opportunity to make extra cash. But it is also important to state that these fraudulent activities have the potency of killing the beautiful game of football.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Viscore on February 19, 2023, 11:50:55 AM
Match fixing is an issue mainly in developing countries. Most of it is organised by mafia that also involves in drug trade, illegal weapon trade etc. This type of things never get old. Its very hard to avoid match fixing if your country permits completely legal sports betting options. I don't call for them making it illegal but sometimes its impossible to detect. I am pretty sure this match fixing issue happened in Brazil is only visible side of "iceberg". Noone knows what happens at other side, in deep.
Match fixing is obviously has not gone up to these days, and it becomes even more rampant especially that sportsbetting gained high demand for most of the gamblers. The bad thing is those rigged games seem even more legal than those non-rigged games. Worst thing is it leaves serious implication for sports at all levels. And I believe it’s not only Brazil that has been involved in sportsbetting fraud but also Australia, China and Spain as they have been investigated too concerning match fixing issues.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: temple on February 19, 2023, 12:18:13 PM
$28,000 seems like a tempting amount to just score a penalty in a game at a certain time, so I'm not surprised that athletes have been able to get involved. I am surprised by another - is the market for betting on penalties at certain times so large that the bets that allow fraudsters to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars have long gone unnoticed? It seems to me that the very first big bet (even if it was split into many small ones) would have attracted attention.
^ It is possible that there are thousands of dollars in unnoticed big wins from fraudsters, I can't imagine how big this amount is but one thing that I know, this is a huge amount that is easy to spot. I also have this thought, what is the penalty for the athletes if someone caught them the same issue? It should be memorable penalties so that they will not do it again or those athletes planning the same way will be afraid because of the possible penalties. Hopefully, our betting organizers will have a solution for this, it will harm their institution if this will continue.

I do not think that significant amounts can go unnoticed - statistically, any fluctuations are very visible, and in such a not very popular market as a penalty, any hundred thousand dollars of bias in one of the parties clearly indicates that this is a fixed game.
As for the penalties, they should be very severe - suspension from games for several years, but usually this does not happen, since it is one thing to statistically detect fraud and another thing to legally prove it.

I think that I read some articles a while ago where sports betting companies have announced an extensive initiative to build a co-owned data base that identifies cross platform betting scams and other statistical outliers. To make it really worth it scammers also know that they can get into trouble or that their money gets frozen. Due to this database it is also not easily possible to spread smaller amounts over various providers.

What you mentioned about detecting fraud and legally prove it, that's probably the biggest issue. But providers know that scammers won't sue themselves if their money gets frozen. I doubt that that problem will ever get eliminated. You will always find someone to participate in a scam, especially in sports and leagues where salaries are not that high.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: KTChampions on February 19, 2023, 05:36:41 PM
I do not think that significant amounts can go unnoticed - statistically, any fluctuations are very visible, and in such a not very popular market as a penalty, any hundred thousand dollars of bias in one of the parties clearly indicates that this is a fixed game.
As for the penalties, they should be very severe - suspension from games for several years, but usually this does not happen, since it is one thing to statistically detect fraud and another thing to legally prove it.

I think that I read some articles a while ago where sports betting companies have announced an extensive initiative to build a co-owned data base that identifies cross platform betting scams and other statistical outliers. To make it really worth it scammers also know that they can get into trouble or that their money gets frozen. Due to this database it is also not easily possible to spread smaller amounts over various providers.

What you mentioned about detecting fraud and legally prove it, that's probably the biggest issue. But providers know that scammers won't sue themselves if their money gets frozen. I doubt that that problem will ever get eliminated. You will always find someone to participate in a scam, especially in sports and leagues where salaries are not that high.

Strange as it may seem, but no, scammers will easily sue (and win) if the bookmaker simply freezes their money. Therefore, when bookmakers detect fraud, they do not freeze money, do not go to the police (except in extreme cases), but simply return bets on a suspicious event with a coefficient of 1 (just a return of the bet). For them, it is much easier than doing investigations, courts, etc. while scammers immediately fall into a huge minus (since the organization of fixed games obviously costs a lot of money).


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: blockman on February 19, 2023, 05:42:54 PM
The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: temple on February 21, 2023, 04:45:29 PM
I do not think that significant amounts can go unnoticed - statistically, any fluctuations are very visible, and in such a not very popular market as a penalty, any hundred thousand dollars of bias in one of the parties clearly indicates that this is a fixed game.
As for the penalties, they should be very severe - suspension from games for several years, but usually this does not happen, since it is one thing to statistically detect fraud and another thing to legally prove it.

I think that I read some articles a while ago where sports betting companies have announced an extensive initiative to build a co-owned data base that identifies cross platform betting scams and other statistical outliers. To make it really worth it scammers also know that they can get into trouble or that their money gets frozen. Due to this database it is also not easily possible to spread smaller amounts over various providers.

What you mentioned about detecting fraud and legally prove it, that's probably the biggest issue. But providers know that scammers won't sue themselves if their money gets frozen. I doubt that that problem will ever get eliminated. You will always find someone to participate in a scam, especially in sports and leagues where salaries are not that high.

Strange as it may seem, but no, scammers will easily sue (and win) if the bookmaker simply freezes their money. Therefore, when bookmakers detect fraud, they do not freeze money, do not go to the police (except in extreme cases), but simply return bets on a suspicious event with a coefficient of 1 (just a return of the bet). For them, it is much easier than doing investigations, courts, etc. while scammers immediately fall into a huge minus (since the organization of fixed games obviously costs a lot of money).

That's quite surprising. I can't verify now whether it is true what you say, but I just assume it is as you probably quite a bit more about gambling than me. It it does make sense what you say when professional scammers are involved in getting account frozen. They will have a bullet proof set up I assume to exactly counter such an action from a bookmaker.

But this reminds me of insurance companies to have huge departments that deal day in and day out with hypothetical accidents and even conduct scientific research on whether or not a certain could in practice have happened the way a claimant describes it. As much as insurance fraud is a thing, I wonder whether it would make sense for bookmakers to also build an alliance and create a department that collects data and investigates suspicious causes around the clock. Over time that database could become valuable. Fraudsters will get family members involved and friends and then strangers who get also bribed if they try to get away and not show up in a database for suspects. But over time the fraudsters' alternatives might also decrease.

Since it is a multi-billion dollar business I just would have thought that they are running sophisticated investigation departments even across different platforms.

If someone is KYCed and you realize that he repeatedly is involved in suspicious cases, you just exclude him from your platform and share that info with all other bookmakers. Something like that could enfold an effect over time.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rahmad2nd on February 21, 2023, 09:50:26 PM
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Oilacris on February 21, 2023, 09:55:21 PM
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.
Not really that a bad or weak regulation but rather some people on the organization or governing bodies does really involved on such illegal act or unethical move just for the sake of money.

We cant just able to deny that this is how this reality do works on where there are people who would really be doing things just for the sake of money.Setting up these kind of fights or games
could really just that possible on small leagues which it doesnt really that get attention or not that been caught obviously.

Its not new or shocking news anymore when it comes to this.Its always that been existing and there's nothing we can do about it.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Oasisman on February 21, 2023, 10:05:59 PM
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.

Hate to say this, but match fixing will never end, because people are always chasing for money and do whatever means necessary to take advantage of the system's flaws.
Fixed match benefits everyone in the league, especially when there's a huge betting in the line. Sports now a days in more of a business than an actual sport, so it will not going to surprise me if these athletes are not different than an actors/actresses who will play their role what they're told and the match is just a big act as if they're playing real ball, but the result is deliberate.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: KTChampions on February 21, 2023, 10:41:55 PM
Strange as it may seem, but no, scammers will easily sue (and win) if the bookmaker simply freezes their money. Therefore, when bookmakers detect fraud, they do not freeze money, do not go to the police (except in extreme cases), but simply return bets on a suspicious event with a coefficient of 1 (just a return of the bet). For them, it is much easier than doing investigations, courts, etc. while scammers immediately fall into a huge minus (since the organization of fixed games obviously costs a lot of money).

That's quite surprising. I can't verify now whether it is true what you say, but I just assume it is as you probably quite a bit more about gambling than me. It it does make sense what you say when professional scammers are involved in getting account frozen. They will have a bullet proof set up I assume to exactly counter such an action from a bookmaker.

But this reminds me of insurance companies to have huge departments that deal day in and day out with hypothetical accidents and even conduct scientific research on whether or not a certain could in practice have happened the way a claimant describes it. As much as insurance fraud is a thing, I wonder whether it would make sense for bookmakers to also build an alliance and create a department that collects data and investigates suspicious causes around the clock. Over time that database could become valuable. Fraudsters will get family members involved and friends and then strangers who get also bribed if they try to get away and not show up in a database for suspects. But over time the fraudsters' alternatives might also decrease.

Since it is a multi-billion dollar business I just would have thought that they are running sophisticated investigation departments even across different platforms.

If someone is KYCed and you realize that he repeatedly is involved in suspicious cases, you just exclude him from your platform and share that info with all other bookmakers. Something like that could enfold an effect over time.

If we draw an analogy with the insurance business, then it is more correct to compare minor cases, rather than deaths and other accidents with millions of payments. As you probably know, for minor accidents, insurance companies usually pay (in civilized countries) simply upon the fact of the application without any examinations and other nonsense, since even if the applicant lies, it will be more expensive to catch him on this lie. So, by analogy, it’s cheaper for bookmakers to simply return bets than to deal with scammers where the result is not guaranteed.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: alegotardo on February 21, 2023, 10:45:33 PM
Hate to say this, but match fixing will never end, because people are always chasing for money and do whatever means necessary to take advantage of the system's flaws.
Fixed match benefits everyone in the league, especially when there's a huge betting in the line. Sports now a days in more of a business than an actual sport, so it will not going to surprise me if these athletes are not different than an actors/actresses who will play their role what they're told and the match is just a big act as if they're playing real ball, but the result is deliberate.

I agree with you, it's something you can't protect yourself from, but it's possible to minimize the risks.
The best that can be done is to legalize gambling in countries, because if something is prohibited or poorly regulated, bettors have to resort to clandestine sites that generally have a low reputation and a high probability of manipulation of results.
However, when there is strong regulation, inspection is easier, bets are more "transparent" and auditable, and fraudsters are more at risk of committing crimes.

The second point is a responsibility of the bettors: if there is already a regulated market, bets must be placed on sites that have a reputation and follow the rules.
Generally, these sites are the first to report irregularities in betting to the authorities, keeping reputable bettors safer from fraud.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: AicecreaME on February 22, 2023, 01:34:39 AM
It's so saddening that this still happens. Fixed matches is really common despite it being considered as cheating. And many people still do this even though it's not really legal and has repercussions with it. It's not only in Brazil, but in almost every part of the world, even in online games, NFTs and the likes, there are fixed matches. But it's still disappointing that people resort to do such thing just for the sake of money. They set aside their morals for an amount they can earn because they prefer the easy way instead of doing hard work.

If this happens in somewhat large scale, what more in small scale sportsbetting and gambling, right? Most likely it's rampant in local gambling and betting and perhaps they might even have organizers for fix matching for events like this to guarantee a win and a winning prize. Hopefully, this will be eliminated, but I doubt it can be done easily as it's rooted and has become a habit already.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: wxa7115 on February 22, 2023, 01:51:40 AM
It's so saddening that this still happens. Fixed matches is really common despite it being considered as cheating. And many people still do this even though it's not really legal and has repercussions with it. It's not only in Brazil, but in almost every part of the world, even in online games, NFTs and the likes, there are fixed matches. But it's still disappointing that people resort to do such thing just for the sake of money. They set aside their morals for an amount they can earn because they prefer the easy way instead of doing hard work.

If this happens in somewhat large scale, what more in small scale sportsbetting and gambling, right? Most likely it's rampant in local gambling and betting and perhaps they might even have organizers for fix matching for events like this to guarantee a win and a winning prize. Hopefully, this will be eliminated, but I doubt it can be done easily as it's rooted and has become a habit already.
While it is disappointing at the same time there is nothing we can do, as anyone that can pay so much money as in the example given by the OP probably has a lot of money to take advantage of those results and they probably make their living with all kind of illegal activities.

And it is unfortunate as this makes casinos very wary of winning gamblers, and even sport bettors which are using legitimate methods to beat the casinos could end up going through several identity checks due to the actions of those criminals.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rodskee on February 22, 2023, 02:57:25 AM
The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
but brazil isn't that small country mate but yet there are fraud happening right? and actually this is not just about the country but about the capacity of people to cheat in gambling area.

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As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.
and also as long as there are people who wanted to participate and give consent to this doing? then we will never achieve a fraud free gambling.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Reatim on February 22, 2023, 03:16:09 AM
The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.
this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Strongkored on February 22, 2023, 04:18:16 AM
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.
You are right, that is why it is absolutely not permissible for a government official to get involved in sports organizations because with his position he can manage many things including fixing match scores with the help of people involved in organizing tournaments, and this practice occurs a lot in developing countries even though it also occurs in developed countries but the number is not as much as in developing countries and match fixing shows how the country is full of corrupt practices


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: btc78 on February 22, 2023, 05:28:22 AM
This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.
and that is the power of money , this can blinded everyone in all chances  lol.  this is also the reason why I am now loving betting in regards to sports in PVP than in bookmarker .
$28,000 seems like a tempting amount to just score a penalty in a game at a certain time, so I'm not surprised that athletes have been able to get involved. I am surprised by another - is the market for betting on penalties at certain times so large that the bets that allow fraudsters to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars have long gone unnoticed? It seems to me that the very first big bet (even if it was split into many small ones) would have attracted attention.
I have known a former Basketball star here in our country that admit this to be happening , they are being part of fixed matches and received decent amount for that involvement .


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: xSkylarx on February 22, 2023, 05:45:13 AM
The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

That is why other sportsbettors only bet on those big games with no controversy (we still don't know if it's a legit game) so that their chance of winning is bigger. But right now, money matters mostly to those smaller leagues, as they can't earn that much. I also remembered about celebrity boxing in our country that it is some sort of fixed as they fight only for money and it is scripted, to which they are successful, and they just get people's money on it, which I am pissed off about.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: wiss19 on February 22, 2023, 09:10:40 AM
this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.
I wouldn't call this a bad side of sports betting because it's not its fault but it's the fault of the people who do this. In other gambling games (casino games) frauds can still happen. There is no perfect system. The only way to avoid them is to stay informed. Always read the news and listen to the talks around you, so that you will know if the sports betting game is suspected to be a fixed match or not. Same goes when playing on a casino site. You can avoid them as well if you heard that the casino is shady.

Yes, we should not be encouraged to bet in a fixed match even though we get insider information as this was still wrong and they will only be encouraged (the organizers of this event) to repeat the same thing.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: BobK71 on February 22, 2023, 09:54:55 AM
The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.
this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.
Incidents like match-fixing are common in sports betting but it remain under wraps as there is no evidence of those incidents. But for the average gambler, this is not a big obstacle. There are no major obstacles if you can manage your betting according to your own risk. Gambling can be enjoyed only as a center of entertainment rather than as a major source of income. If one can do sports betting by ignoring all kinds of negative aspects then he can enjoy the real pleasure of gambling.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: DoublerHunter on February 22, 2023, 10:05:51 AM
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Yes, we should not be encouraged to bet in a fixed match even though we get insider information as this was still wrong and they will only be encouraged (the organizers of this event) to repeat the same thing.
^Definitely right, because placing bets on fixed matches is considered illegal and unethical, as it goes against the principles of fair play and can lead to fraudulent activity. In addition to the legal and ethical issues, betting on fixed matches is generally considered to be a very risky and unreliable way of making money. Put in mind that always gamble responsibly and within legal and ethical boundaries. If you want to enjoy sports betting, you should consider only betting on events that are fair and transparent, and do so only with money that you can afford to lose.
If we keep supporting fixed matches, this will not end and it seems we supporting fraudulent activities in the sports betting industry.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: temple on February 22, 2023, 11:42:21 AM
Strange as it may seem, but no, scammers will easily sue (and win) if the bookmaker simply freezes their money. Therefore, when bookmakers detect fraud, they do not freeze money, do not go to the police (except in extreme cases), but simply return bets on a suspicious event with a coefficient of 1 (just a return of the bet). For them, it is much easier than doing investigations, courts, etc. while scammers immediately fall into a huge minus (since the organization of fixed games obviously costs a lot of money).

That's quite surprising. I can't verify now whether it is true what you say, but I just assume it is as you probably quite a bit more about gambling than me. It it does make sense what you say when professional scammers are involved in getting account frozen. They will have a bullet proof set up I assume to exactly counter such an action from a bookmaker.

But this reminds me of insurance companies to have huge departments that deal day in and day out with hypothetical accidents and even conduct scientific research on whether or not a certain could in practice have happened the way a claimant describes it. As much as insurance fraud is a thing, I wonder whether it would make sense for bookmakers to also build an alliance and create a department that collects data and investigates suspicious causes around the clock. Over time that database could become valuable. Fraudsters will get family members involved and friends and then strangers who get also bribed if they try to get away and not show up in a database for suspects. But over time the fraudsters' alternatives might also decrease.

Since it is a multi-billion dollar business I just would have thought that they are running sophisticated investigation departments even across different platforms.

If someone is KYCed and you realize that he repeatedly is involved in suspicious cases, you just exclude him from your platform and share that info with all other bookmakers. Something like that could enfold an effect over time.

If we draw an analogy with the insurance business, then it is more correct to compare minor cases, rather than deaths and other accidents with millions of payments. As you probably know, for minor accidents, insurance companies usually pay (in civilized countries) simply upon the fact of the application without any examinations and other nonsense, since even if the applicant lies, it will be more expensive to catch him on this lie. So, by analogy, it’s cheaper for bookmakers to simply return bets than to deal with scammers where the result is not guaranteed.

Hmmm... I don't think I fully agree here because I know many cases where car accidents with damages in the four figure range have been thoroughly investigated, I can tell you that! It is not only about individual cases that are investigated, but they conduct research on specific accidental set ups and then see whether logic and physics apply in such a realistic way that the case described by the claimant is more likely to happened or not. The same applies to damages with laptops, for instance when you say that it fell off the table. I have seen a documentary where they take laptops and let them drop from all kinds of heights and angles, then they ask they claimants for the height and angle and compare it to their damage patterns.

So I guess you know what I mean when I say that bookmakers could create collaborative data banks about patterns or when it comes to persona data, perhaps they need to take care of data privacy laws, but they could use encrypted IDs for suspects and just flag someone and if another bookie has a suspicion and flags the same user, they could exclude him or her from playing. You know, there should be away for them to coordinate collaborative efforts in order to more effectively tackle scammers.

But ultimately you are right I guess because the scammers will adapt anyway. I suppose there will always be ways for scammers to circumvent newly created "hurdles".


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Accardo on February 22, 2023, 01:48:56 PM
It's so saddening that this still happens. Fixed matches is really common despite it being considered as cheating. And many people still do this even though it's not really legal and has repercussions with it. It's not only in Brazil, but in almost every part of the world, even in online games, NFTs and the likes, there are fixed matches. But it's still disappointing that people resort to do such thing just for the sake of money. They set aside their morals for an amount they can earn because they prefer the easy way instead of doing hard work.

If this happens in somewhat large scale, what more in small scale sportsbetting and gambling, right? Most likely it's rampant in local gambling and betting and perhaps they might even have organizers for fix matching for events like this to guarantee a win and a winning prize. Hopefully, this will be eliminated, but I doubt it can be done easily as it's rooted and has become a habit already.
While it is disappointing at the same time there is nothing we can do, as anyone that can pay so much money as in the example given by the OP probably has a lot of money to take advantage of those results and they probably make their living with all kind of illegal activities.

And it is unfortunate as this makes casinos very wary of winning gamblers, and even sport bettors which are using legitimate methods to beat the casinos could end up going through several identity checks due to the actions of those criminals.

The moment fixed games market sneaked into the soccer gambling niche it doesn't seem to be a surprise anymore. Many game predictors ask bettors to pay to get a fixed result to stake in their bet, which means they've paid a whooping amount to get the match rigged in their favor. Thereby earning huge from people that pay them to get the fixed games. Sometimes the super rich manipulate the results, but it's easier to get the result through the market; right source instead of single handily paying so much to the game officials to play the game in their favor. I'd push the blame on the fixed game market.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Casdinyard on February 22, 2023, 09:21:49 PM
It's so saddening that this still happens. Fixed matches is really common despite it being considered as cheating. And many people still do this even though it's not really legal and has repercussions with it. It's not only in Brazil, but in almost every part of the world, even in online games, NFTs and the likes, there are fixed matches. But it's still disappointing that people resort to do such thing just for the sake of money. They set aside their morals for an amount they can earn because they prefer the easy way instead of doing hard work.

If this happens in somewhat large scale, what more in small scale sportsbetting and gambling, right? Most likely it's rampant in local gambling and betting and perhaps they might even have organizers for fix matching for events like this to guarantee a win and a winning prize. Hopefully, this will be eliminated, but I doubt it can be done easily as it's rooted and has become a habit already.
Just because it's morally unethical doesn't mean people will not do it. If that was the case crimes wouldn't exist in the first place. If you'll ask me, you shouldn't be disappointed with the players who are caught between choosing a quick buck or winning a game. For me the problem is with these manipulators who would willingly tip the odds in their favor in any way they can. If these manipulators are taken care of, incarcerated or the likes, then I'll bet you match fixing wouldn't exist. The players aren't the problem. It's the system.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Hispo on February 22, 2023, 11:02:03 PM
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Just because it's morally unethical doesn't mean people will not do it. If that was the case crimes wouldn't exist in the first place. If you'll ask me, you shouldn't be disappointed with the players who are caught between choosing a quick buck or winning a game. For me the problem is with these manipulators who would willingly tip the odds in their favor in any way they can. If these manipulators are taken care of, incarcerated or the likes, then I'll bet you match fixing wouldn't exist. The players aren't the problem. It's the system.

What if the players could also be held accountable for accepting these kinds of deals?
I mean, people who are part of a crime syndicate and partake in sport fraud would be eventually caught but there will be always criminals willing to bribe players.

Perhaps, some players accept because the consequences on accepting such shady dealings aren't rough enough. I believe if a player of any discipline is playing to get far in the long term, they would not accept money to lose on purpose, and it would be less likely if getting caught meant a premature end to their career.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Lanatsa on February 22, 2023, 11:24:19 PM
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Just because it's morally unethical doesn't mean people will not do it. If that was the case crimes wouldn't exist in the first place. If you'll ask me, you shouldn't be disappointed with the players who are caught between choosing a quick buck or winning a game. For me the problem is with these manipulators who would willingly tip the odds in their favor in any way they can. If these manipulators are taken care of, incarcerated or the likes, then I'll bet you match fixing wouldn't exist. The players aren't the problem. It's the system.

What if the players could also be held accountable for accepting these kinds of deals?
I mean, people who are part of a crime syndicate and partake in sport fraud would be eventually caught but there will be always criminals willing to bribe players.

Perhaps, some players accept because the consequences on accepting such shady dealings aren't rough enough. I believe if a player of any discipline is playing to get far in the long term, they would not accept money to lose on purpose, and it would be less likely if getting caught meant a premature end to their career.
There should be no exemption from up to the heads until to the players who got involved should really be penalized.It is really just that the ones who would really be taking up the blame are to those who are on

frontlines but for those who are in back are always been hidden.This is the advantage on having the power and the money for making these things to be possible.Its not really that shocking nor
something new if we do speak about these probabilities.

Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: shogun47 on February 23, 2023, 02:24:29 AM
-snip-
Just because it's morally unethical doesn't mean people will not do it. If that was the case crimes wouldn't exist in the first place. If you'll ask me, you shouldn't be disappointed with the players who are caught between choosing a quick buck or winning a game. For me the problem is with these manipulators who would willingly tip the odds in their favor in any way they can. If these manipulators are taken care of, incarcerated or the likes, then I'll bet you match fixing wouldn't exist. The players aren't the problem. It's the system.

What if the players could also be held accountable for accepting these kinds of deals?
I mean, people who are part of a crime syndicate and partake in sport fraud would be eventually caught but there will be always criminals willing to bribe players.

Perhaps, some players accept because the consequences on accepting such shady dealings aren't rough enough. I believe if a player of any discipline is playing to get far in the long term, they would not accept money to lose on purpose, and it would be less likely if getting caught meant a premature end to their career.
There should be no exemption from up to the heads until to the players who got involved should really be penalized.It is really just that the ones who would really be taking up the blame are to those who are on

frontlines but for those who are in back are always been hidden.This is the advantage on having the power and the money for making these things to be possible.Its not really that shocking nor
something new if we do speak about these probabilities.

Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: uneng on February 23, 2023, 02:53:02 AM
It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.
It's true it's difficult to reach the bosses of the mafia, because their structure is composed by many layers of "professionals" who don't interact with partners from too different layers. Someone at the top of the pyramid doesn't have direct contact with someone on the bottom and vice-versa.

But once one or another fraudsters are caught, they should count with protection from authorities and police, through witness protection programs, so they can be free to talk what they know about the scheme without retaliation to their lives and the lives of their families. As far as I know it's an obligation of the state to guarantee this right to the individuals involved on the case.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Hispo on February 23, 2023, 03:49:01 AM

It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.

Actually, I had not considered the possibility of blackmail. But it makes sense those criminals kept records of the player they work him.
They convince a player in a relatively small league, everything goes according to plan and everyone moves on, years later the same player finds himself playing for a bigger league or even in a continental cup, just to be contacted by the same bad people he worked with years ago, they blackmail him into accepting another deal or lose his career as an established professional player... crazy stuff.



Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: len01 on February 23, 2023, 06:05:15 AM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: BobK71 on February 23, 2023, 06:47:26 AM

It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.

Actually, I had not considered the possibility of blackmail. But it makes sense those criminals kept records of the player they work him.
They convince a player in a relatively small league, everything goes according to plan and everyone moves on, years later the same player finds himself playing for a bigger league or even in a continental cup, just to be contacted by the same bad people he worked with years ago, they blackmail him into accepting another deal or lose his career as an established professional player... crazy stuff.
This is not unusual. Once a player engages in any illegal activity. Then it becomes very difficult to turn him back from that road. When the player wants to get rid of committing crime by his own decision, he can face blackmail in various ways. He has nothing to do. As a result, he has to follow the path shown by those miscreants. But this is never revealed. Due to which no one can get free from this kind of trap easily.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: maydna on February 23, 2023, 04:12:30 PM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Lanatsa on February 23, 2023, 10:48:37 PM

It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.

Actually, I had not considered the possibility of blackmail. But it makes sense those criminals kept records of the player they work him.
They convince a player in a relatively small league, everything goes according to plan and everyone moves on, years later the same player finds himself playing for a bigger league or even in a continental cup, just to be contacted by the same bad people he worked with years ago, they blackmail him into accepting another deal or lose his career as an established professional player... crazy stuff.
This is not unusual. Once a player engages in any illegal activity. Then it becomes very difficult to turn him back from that road. When the player wants to get rid of committing crime by his own decision, he can face blackmail in various ways. He has nothing to do. As a result, he has to follow the path shown by those miscreants. But this is never revealed. Due to which no one can get free from this kind of trap easily.
There's no way that you would really be able to get out once you are getting in which its understandable because you had agreed into their terms and its just common sense that you do know on how they do

operate which means that it is really just that normal that you cant easily back off when you are tending to quit or really have that conscience bothering you.This is why its better to make out decisions
that wont really be messing up your life or you would be  ending up on regret.

Somehow dealing up with something illegal will really be that give opportunity about easy money but we know on what are the exchange.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: romero121 on February 23, 2023, 11:52:11 PM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.
In some form it'll be happening around. Nowadays this isn't happening much with the international and large level leagues. In the past money is a factor, and now the same have turned towards fame. For that reason players doesn't want their names to be spoilt for money. Brazil being a football nation and the country that created legendary football players for the world encountering such issues will down the football support and the same might be followed elsewhere. These kind of acts need to be eradicated at the root.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: btc78 on February 24, 2023, 12:45:35 AM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.
correct , not unless there will be an inside person that will reveal this scams ? people will not manage to learn about the thing though sometimes it is obvious in the game when players try to ignore scoring when they have a chance and also when they can prevent opponent to score yet they let it happen.
those are the point that we have some ideas of something happening that is not right in this game.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Reatim on February 24, 2023, 01:01:01 AM

this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.
Incidents like match-fixing are common in sports betting but it remain under wraps as there is no evidence of those incidents. But for the average gambler, this is not a big obstacle. There are no major obstacles if you can manage your betting according to your own risk. Gambling can be enjoyed only as a center of entertainment rather than as a major source of income. If one can do sports betting by ignoring all kinds of negative aspects then he can enjoy the real pleasure of gambling.

though mostly is is obvious right? there are several games that we can see those leakage like basketball and Football .
though sometimes it is in the players own preperation bit mostly in the management that tells them what to do.
but nowadays? i distance myself from betting on those kind as i don't find the best interest both of gambling and betting.



Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: alegotardo on February 24, 2023, 01:30:25 AM

this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.
Incidents like match-fixing are common in sports betting but it remain under wraps as there is no evidence of those incidents. But for the average gambler, this is not a big obstacle. There are no major obstacles if you can manage your betting according to your own risk. Gambling can be enjoyed only as a center of entertainment rather than as a major source of income. If one can do sports betting by ignoring all kinds of negative aspects then he can enjoy the real pleasure of gambling.

I'm sure that the most affected by a betting fraud are always the websites, because the frauds that involve the co-participation of players always lead the game to have a result that "goes a long way" from what was expected for a normal game situation.

Sites pay their rewards based on these "standards" of what would be the expected result, and so when fraud occurs, they end up having to pay a much higher amount, in addition to being an undignified payment.

Players also end up being penalized for fraud, as the results are not what they expected, but they lose a much smaller amount compared to the site's losses.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: STT on February 24, 2023, 01:41:25 AM
Its a possibility in every country unfortunately, how widespread and organized is another degree.  What tends to happen is success of the fixes brings its downfall, it becomes obvious and those players are likely never to play again.   The worst region I've heard of and Im not saying I would know for sure where is worst in the world but reputably the worst is the asia pacific region for widespread common throwing almost as a career earnings path which is sad and disappointing for any fans of the game.   Multiple teams have been cleared out and ended in that way in an attempt to clean up the scene but obviously its a attractive easy money and the problem will be persuasive unless regulation is merciless is cutting it back like a weed.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Hispo on February 24, 2023, 02:26:46 AM
How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations.  So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not.  ???


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: maydna on February 24, 2023, 06:30:39 AM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.
In some form it'll be happening around. Nowadays this isn't happening much with the international and large level leagues. In the past money is a factor, and now the same have turned towards fame. For that reason players doesn't want their names to be spoilt for money. Brazil being a football nation and the country that created legendary football players for the world encountering such issues will down the football support and the same might be followed elsewhere. These kind of acts need to be eradicated at the root.
Nowadays, money is still the root of many problems because many people want to get a lot of money, even by using illegal or incorrect ways. But if the players realize that cheating can cause their names to be damaged, it will not be worth doing and they should stay away from people trying to offer these things. It will make them in danger because, in addition to losing big names, they can also be crossed out from the list of players and may even receive punishment from the court if it is proven to help those illegal ways.


-snip

Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.
correct , not unless there will be an inside person that will reveal this scams ? people will not manage to learn about the thing though sometimes it is obvious in the game when players try to ignore scoring when they have a chance and also when they can prevent opponent to score yet they let it happen.
those are the point that we have some ideas of something happening that is not right in this game.

People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Kakmakr on February 24, 2023, 06:35:57 AM
This does not just happen in the Series B matches..... there was a massive scandal in the FIFA World Cup 2022 when Qatar was accused of bribing Ecuador players 7.4 million dollars to lose opening match.  ::)

I stopped watching Cricket for many years when it came out that one of my favorite Cricket players (Hansie Cronje) were involved in match fixing in a game against India. (So when this are revealed, it does harm to the Sport and the people betting on it)  >:( >:( >:(

I hope more players are banned from the Sport, when they are caught doing this and the people who bribe them, has to go to prison.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Finestream on February 24, 2023, 06:52:56 AM
Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.
Not only in football but even in boxing, basketball, cricket and baseball. Despite of the heavy fines that are imposed to those who are caught, still the scandal continues to happen. So I won’t be surprised that it is also practiced in football, as there are also a lot of greedy players and officials that are into football game. As long as there are no tight regulations on these games, expect that match fixing will never be avoided.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: klidex on February 24, 2023, 08:44:24 AM
People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.
Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil
Post by: _act_ on February 24, 2023, 10:41:13 AM
Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.
I do not know if it will happen in Brazil Seria A and Seria B, this are the two that I recognized among them, I also recognize the cup in Brazil because the clubs in top leagues are among them that are competing for the cup. Aside that, I do not go for lower leagues because anything lower can bring manipulation, people prefer to manipulate the lower leagues. Also it is better to go for those top leagues like UCL, premier league, La Liga, Bundesliga, Italian Seria A and thkse tops leagues, no manipulation.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: maydna on February 24, 2023, 12:27:09 PM
People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.
Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.
And sadly, the people involved in that business don't care about the fate of other people because as long as they can take advantage of what they're doing, they will continue to do it, even if it means sacrificing someone's life to protect their business. Such a business must be eradicated and requires courage from the authorities to reveal it so that no one becomes a victim, be it players, the public, or even local officials in the business circle. But this is not easy because the authorities must try hard to find people who can tell the truth about the business and disclose it to the public. If the public finds out, there is a possibility that such businesses will be traced and eradicated.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: darewaller on February 24, 2023, 03:01:49 PM
How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations.  So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not.  ???
I was lucky to find an exact answer (https://www.quora.com/Is-match-fixing-in-football-real-especially-in-Europe#:~:text=Fixing%20matches%20is%20100%25%20a,of%20the%20plenty%20lower%20leagues.) to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.

We never underestimate these kinds of problem because we know how serious it is as it can damage the reputation of the sport, club, league, and country. This is also annoying if you are too confident about the bets that you placed in a sports betting site but then you lose it because of a fixed match but even without these types of frauds, losing can still be inevitable sometimes because we are simply unlucky.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: death69 on February 24, 2023, 04:40:51 PM
People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.
Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.
And sadly, the people involved in that business don't care about the fate of other people because as long as they can take advantage of what they're doing, they will continue to do it, even if it means sacrificing someone's life to protect their business. Such a business must be eradicated and requires courage from the authorities to reveal it so that no one becomes a victim, be it players, the public, or even local officials in the business circle. But this is not easy because the authorities must try hard to find people who can tell the truth about the business and disclose it to the public. If the public finds out, there is a possibility that such businesses will be traced and eradicated.
Yo, it's like hellla depressing when you hear about busineses that put their money over humnan lives. But let's keep it real, not all busineses are like that. Bein a sports head, I've seen first hand how shady deals and unethical moves can mess up the whole games vibe. That's why it's vital for authoriteis to step up and expose and eliminate any wrong doings. It's not just about the players and officials, but the fans too who put their trust in the sport. Speakin up and spilling the tea takes guts, especailly when there's a chance of gettin some heat, but it's all about making sure justise is served. We can all do our part by stayin informed and supporting the homies who are fightin against these crookid practises. As my man Nelson Mandella once said, "Sport has the power to change the world, it has the power to inspire. It has the power to unite people in a way that little else does." So let's work together to create a world where sports are played with fairness and respect for everyone involvedd.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: BobK71 on February 24, 2023, 05:51:05 PM
How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations.  So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not.  ???
I was lucky to find an exact answer (https://www.quora.com/Is-match-fixing-in-football-real-especially-in-Europe#:~:text=Fixing%20matches%20is%20100%25%20a,of%20the%20plenty%20lower%20leagues.) to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.

We never underestimate these kinds of problem because we know how serious it is as it can damage the reputation of the sport, club, league, and country. This is also annoying if you are too confident about the bets that you placed in a sports betting site but then you lose it because of a fixed match but even without these types of frauds, losing can still be inevitable sometimes because we are simply unlucky.
Match fixing is a common phenomenon in every part of the world. But I can definitely say that this type of match fixing is most common in minor leagues. So now if I hear any news about match fixing then I don't give much importance. Because now some games basically run for fixing. When sports are a means of business, many think of it as such way. But if there is no hope to get rid of this kind of scandal then people will not have much interest in the game. But for gamblers it will not have much effect.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: panganib999 on February 24, 2023, 06:05:56 PM
People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.
Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.
And sadly, the people involved in that business don't care about the fate of other people because as long as they can take advantage of what they're doing, they will continue to do it, even if it means sacrificing someone's life to protect their business. Such a business must be eradicated and requires courage from the authorities to reveal it so that no one becomes a victim, be it players, the public, or even local officials in the business circle. But this is not easy because the authorities must try hard to find people who can tell the truth about the business and disclose it to the public. If the public finds out, there is a possibility that such businesses will be traced and eradicated.
Yo, it's like hellla depressing when you hear about busineses that put their money over humnan lives. But let's keep it real, not all busineses are like that. Bein a sports head, I've seen first hand how shady deals and unethical moves can mess up the whole games vibe. That's why it's vital for authoriteis to step up and expose and eliminate any wrong doings. It's not just about the players and officials, but the fans too who put their trust in the sport. Speakin up and spilling the tea takes guts, especailly when there's a chance of gettin some heat, but it's all about making sure justise is served. We can all do our part by stayin informed and supporting the homies who are fightin against these crookid practises. As my man Nelson Mandella once said, "Sport has the power to change the world, it has the power to inspire. It has the power to unite people in a way that little else does." So let's work together to create a world where sports are played with fairness and respect for everyone involvedd.
I see your point and I am all for the protection of a sport's integrity and reputation as well, but this alone wouldn't really stop these fixings from every happening. For me, and I saw someone here who made this point as well, you have to nip the problem from the bud, in this case punishing those found of imploring athletes from fixing matches. It's easy to be tempted to fix games especially in minor leagues where pay isn't that big, but if we were to employ tactics that would effectively wipe these scums of the planet off the games we love, I am very sure fixing matches will just be a thing of the past. In any case, I can also see how this is a pipe dream considering how hard it is to track perpetrators, but who knows?


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on February 24, 2023, 06:32:06 PM
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
Look, that's the main reason why we won't have most of these teams included in major leagues...cus apparently, they're used for clear business purposes....I think 'em administrators would only have that as an option to generate cash from that means, and also from casinos that are in affiliation with them.
It's a simple trick, since those leagues are locally played and they're no professional inspection, so in that case anything could be done. The whole thing doesn't make football interesting at all, most especially when they're only faking the whole thing.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Bushdark on February 24, 2023, 07:56:16 PM
Gambling is supposed to be of all honesty but with the way things are going, there had been bad eggs that had been making things worse for gamblers manipulating the system to the extent that gamblers are not making up to the kind of money they supposed to make. Gambling is fun when dishonesty is added to it, it becomes something worse that everyone will want to use greed to win.
This kind of things do happens most in street gambling where gamblers don't mind using cheating system to make sure that they make winnings and sometimes when it is discovered, it do lead to fight that can lead to bloodshed.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Hispo on February 25, 2023, 04:18:11 AM
How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations.  So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not.  ???
I was lucky to find an exact answer (https://www.quora.com/Is-match-fixing-in-football-real-especially-in-Europe#:~:text=Fixing%20matches%20is%20100%25%20a,of%20the%20plenty%20lower%20leagues.) to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.


Thanks for linking some information.
And it is shame it is also a thing there in Europe, I suppose that since the number of small leagues are relatively high there, the authorities must also have a harder time trying to track and punish those who they believe to be behind those crimes.

Not something I would have expected of Europe, tbh. Here in Latin America generally believe that laws there are harsher and are enforced.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: rahmad2nd on February 25, 2023, 09:15:59 PM
Match fixing is a common phenomenon in every part of the world. But I can definitely say that this type of match fixing is most common in minor leagues. So now if I hear any news about match fixing then I don't give much importance. Because now some games basically run for fixing. When sports are a means of business, many think of it as such way. But if there is no hope to get rid of this kind of scandal then people will not have much interest in the game. But for gamblers it will not have much effect.

Therefore, the importance of a good system and strict regulation. at least, it will reduce parties who want to take advantage and manipulate the results of a match, generally such as fixing the score. Match fixing scandals and all kinds of things are not a foreign phenomenon for us football fans. one of which happened in Seria A, which is called the Calciopoli scandal. which involved five big Serie A clubs such as Juventus, AC Milan, Lazio, Reggina and Fiorentina, which happened in 2006.

So, what about the minor leagues. which clearly the system and regulations are very doubtful. in my country, if there is a match fixing it is called elephant football. even today, the issue of Match fixing has always graced football in my country. However, that doesn't mean it can't be fixed. it just needs supervision from various parties. also, improving the system even better and stricter regulation. gradually, cases like this, we will rarely hear about in the future.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: len01 on February 25, 2023, 10:10:03 PM
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
Look, that's the main reason why we won't have most of these teams included in major leagues...cus apparently, they're used for clear business purposes....I think 'em administrators would only have that as an option to generate cash from that means, and also from casinos that are in affiliation with them.
It's a simple trick, since those leagues are locally played and they're no professional inspection, so in that case anything could be done. The whole thing doesn't make football interesting at all, most especially when they're only faking the whole thing.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰
it's fine to gamble in the major leagues as long as you bet the bare minimum and use money you can afford to lose.
because in sports betting anything can happen even if it's in the world cup.
and we as gamblers must understand such incidents. because cheating will definitely occur in the world of gambling and in any league there will usually be certain cheating.
so when you want to bet on any league it is recommended not to bet too many large amounts to avoid this. because in gambling we will only be able to choose to wait for luck. even though cheating happened but we chose the right team that the bookies chose, of course we will also be lucky.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: coin-investor on February 25, 2023, 11:45:13 PM
How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations.  So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not.  ???
I was lucky to find an exact answer (https://www.quora.com/Is-match-fixing-in-football-real-especially-in-Europe#:~:text=Fixing%20matches%20is%20100%25%20a,of%20the%20plenty%20lower%20leagues.) to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.


Thanks for linking some information.
And it is shame it is also a thing there in Europe, I suppose that since the number of small leagues are relatively high there, the authorities must also have a harder time trying to track and punish those who they believe to be behind those crimes.

Not something I would have expected of Europe, tbh. Here in Latin America generally believe that laws there are harsher and are enforced.

Game fixing in small leagues is very rampant not specifically in one country, we have a share of that in our country
sometimes audiences can trace it, or feel that there's fixing going on while the game is being held these small leaguers are not good at hiding game fixing and the audiences are good at tracing or looking at game fixing, but if the games are very heated and both teams are very determined to win and even involves a brawl people will think that the game is real and may even think that players and managers are betting for their team which is good, than betting on their opponent and fixing the match.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: goinmerry on February 25, 2023, 11:58:41 PM
Game fixing in small leagues is very rampant not specifically in one country, we have a share of that in our country
sometimes audiences can trace it, or feel that there's fixing going on while the game is being held these small leaguers are not good at hiding game fixing and the audiences are good at tracing or looking at game fixing, but if the games are very heated and both teams are very determined to win and even involves a brawl people will think that the game is real and may even think that players and managers are betting for their team which is good, than betting on their opponent and fixing the match.

Can't really be avoided especially in small leagues.

But still, there are lots of people who are being patronized by game fixing and I don't understand why in some countries, it's like there's an easy access to game fixing or related schemes.

This something can't be stopped that's why on some areas, they have to lived with it.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: dothebeats on February 25, 2023, 11:59:49 PM
Gambling is supposed to be of all honesty but with the way things are going, there had been bad eggs that had been making things worse for gamblers manipulating the system to the extent that gamblers are not making up to the kind of money they supposed to make. Gambling is fun when dishonesty is added to it, it becomes something worse that everyone will want to use greed to win.
This kind of things do happens most in street gambling where gamblers don't mind using cheating system to make sure that they make winnings and sometimes when it is discovered, it do lead to fight that can lead to bloodshed.

Gambling isn't supposed to be honest, it just needs to be fair. But with the way things are going, fairness isn't really upheld and things like these happen because people are not held to a certain standard. Well, what do you expect? So long as an industry rakes in the big bucks, it will slowly lose its morality and sense of fairness. These people know from the get go that if they do certain things, they'll get the huge payout. It's certainly what's happening right now and I doubt it will change any sooner.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: SirLancelot on February 26, 2023, 05:53:39 PM
Game fixing in small leagues is very rampant not specifically in one country, we have a share of that in our country
sometimes audiences can trace it, or feel that there's fixing going on while the game is being held these small leaguers are not good at hiding game fixing and the audiences are good at tracing or looking at game fixing, but if the games are very heated and both teams are very determined to win and even involves a brawl people will think that the game is real and may even think that players and managers are betting for their team which is good, than betting on their opponent and fixing the match.
Can't really be avoided especially in small leagues.

But still, there are lots of people who are being patronized by game fixing and I don't understand why in some countries, it's like there's an easy access to game fixing or related schemes.

This something can't be stopped that's why on some areas, they have to lived with it.
It can be, if you are aware already that there is one that is going to happen but if you know if which team will win then you will just ride the wave. If you are clueless and has a lot of doubt then it will be better to stay away from smaller leagues when it comes to sports betting. There is no surprise on why a lot of people love game fixing, that is of course it's a way to gain an easy money.

Some countries are just full of corruptions and this includes game fixing on some sports and even on some other events or contests but I think there is no betting involved there. It's just the candidates themselves are the ones who are going to benefit the most.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: AmoreJaz on February 26, 2023, 09:03:28 PM
Gambling is supposed to be of all honesty but with the way things are going, there had been bad eggs that had been making things worse for gamblers manipulating the system to the extent that gamblers are not making up to the kind of money they supposed to make. Gambling is fun when dishonesty is added to it, it becomes something worse that everyone will want to use greed to win.
This kind of things do happens most in street gambling where gamblers don't mind using cheating system to make sure that they make winnings and sometimes when it is discovered, it do lead to fight that can lead to bloodshed.

Gambling isn't supposed to be honest, it just needs to be fair. But with the way things are going, fairness isn't really upheld and things like these happen because people are not held to a certain standard. Well, what do you expect? So long as an industry rakes in the big bucks, it will slowly lose its morality and sense of fairness. These people know from the get go that if they do certain things, they'll get the huge payout. It's certainly what's happening right now and I doubt it will change any sooner.

people who are into this kind of game, don't know the word morality anymore. as long as their pockets are full, that's more than enough for them to commit this kind of act. it is gambling, so yes, don't expect everyone to be honest especially if they have the chance to manipulate the results of the game. i also don't think it will stop. this will just be a cycle so long there are athletes who can be bribe and high rollers who are capable of bribing these athletes.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: goaldigger on February 26, 2023, 09:49:29 PM
Gambling is supposed to be of all honesty but with the way things are going, there had been bad eggs that had been making things worse for gamblers manipulating the system to the extent that gamblers are not making up to the kind of money they supposed to make. Gambling is fun when dishonesty is added to it, it becomes something worse that everyone will want to use greed to win.
This kind of things do happens most in street gambling where gamblers don't mind using cheating system to make sure that they make winnings and sometimes when it is discovered, it do lead to fight that can lead to bloodshed.
There’s always someone who are going to try to corrupt the system and take advantage of this and fraud is really happening in sports betting which is more easy for them to manipulate especially if they have the money. There’s no way to control this because they are working behind the scene and I’m sure other staffs of the team are also involve into this one. Gambling is just for fun to many while gambling is a best way to make money to others, you’re lucky if you are able to ride with this fraud and make profit as well.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: seleme on February 26, 2023, 09:52:02 PM
Fraud may happen in second leagues, it is always better to think about why big bookmakers don't open such matches or put lowest limits for betting. Gamblers know something shady may happen in such situations, it is always better be careful and not betting over the amount you can afford to lose. Hopefully regulations will handle this case as expected.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Viscore on February 27, 2023, 10:56:56 AM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
I believe it’s not only happening in local leagues, because even in major leagues the scam still happens but we can’t really pinpoint as to what or where it took place but we know it’s always possible to happen. As long as there is greed, irresponsible players or coaches or even organizers will always be tempted to cheat. That’s why we should always make some good research first before placing bets to avoid being deceived.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: BobK71 on February 27, 2023, 02:18:41 PM

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.
yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.
I believe it’s not only happening in local leagues, because even in major leagues the scam still happens but we can’t really pinpoint as to what or where it took place but we know it’s always possible to happen. As long as there is greed, irresponsible players or coaches or even organizers will always be tempted to cheat. That’s why we should always make some good research first before placing bets to avoid being deceived.
Cheating or fraud in the game is now a common image, its aptitude is increased in some places drastically. Again, it can be very little in some places. We have heard of many countries where there is a lot of fraud but few countries are still good. If there is any hidden fraud, it is relatively less and it is natural that when the number of frauds increases, the number of good ones decreases. This kind of trend is more active especially in third world countries.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: molsewid on February 27, 2023, 05:13:42 PM
I believe it’s not only happening in local leagues, because even in major leagues the scam still happens but we can’t really pinpoint as to what or where it took place but we know it’s always possible to happen. As long as there is greed, irresponsible players or coaches or even organizers will always be tempted to cheat. That’s why we should always make some good research first before placing bets to avoid being deceived.
I agree, we cannot blame the organizers only because teams and players in both teams should know this thing. It is so frustrating that there are still people who are doing this for the sake of money or fame the committee should not tolerate this kind of thing and they should hardly implement the law. We need to exercise integrity and transparency in sports so that it would be fair for all people for players, fans and those who are betting with their fav team.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: South Park on February 27, 2023, 07:47:18 PM
I believe it’s not only happening in local leagues, because even in major leagues the scam still happens but we can’t really pinpoint as to what or where it took place but we know it’s always possible to happen. As long as there is greed, irresponsible players or coaches or even organizers will always be tempted to cheat. That’s why we should always make some good research first before placing bets to avoid being deceived.
I agree, we cannot blame the organizers only because teams and players in both teams should know this thing. It is so frustrating that there are still people who are doing this for the sake of money or fame the committee should not tolerate this kind of thing and they should hardly implement the law. We need to exercise integrity and transparency in sports so that it would be fair for all people for players, fans and those who are betting with their fav team.
I think this is what it should be done, anyone that is part of a sport which accepts bribes to manipulate the results must be expelled of participating in any professional sport for life, as in my view this is way worse than consuming steroids, those consuming steroids are looking to improve their performance and this gives them an unfair advantage, but those that accept bribes go against the spirit of the competition itself and they must not be allowed to be part of any professional sport as they make the fans incredibly disappointed about it.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Fortify on February 27, 2023, 08:48:24 PM
It is estimated that the bettors would have profited approximately R$ 2 million (~US$ 383,130.00). :o

The fraud involved bribes for players, and among the main actions, it was necessary for the player to commit penalties in the first half of the games that were played. Each player received R$ 150,000 per bet for this act (~U$ 28,734.00).

In fact, this makes it much easier to earn money from sports betting.

Unfortunately these are situations that occur in several countries, but the amount of money involved always calls our attention.
In these cases, bets were placed on the competitions that we call "Series B", which is the second largest football championship in Brazil, in which the best classifieds guarantee a place for the main championship in the following year.

I get the feeling that the players were simply the fall guys in this operation, even though they were the ones most at fault, it's unlikely that they made the most profit from it all. There were probably bigger people in the fraud who managed to get away with a lot higher amounts, I just wonder how big the betting pool is for this sort of second league betting. Can you place bets on these teams at most major book makers, or because it is prone to abuse is it only offered at a few select bookmakers? Whenever people are caught in these situations it might be best if they are put in jail for a fair chunk of time or at least fined way more than they could possibly have gained as a lot of people probably lost money because of them.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: livingfree on February 27, 2023, 08:52:30 PM
I agree, we cannot blame the organizers only because teams and players in both teams should know this thing. It is so frustrating that there are still people who are doing this for the sake of money or fame the committee should not tolerate this kind of thing and they should hardly implement the law. We need to exercise integrity and transparency in sports so that it would be fair for all people for players, fans and those who are betting with their fav team.
There are even worst that happens with these games. Not just from these players but they've been urged to do something else that would make them go against their own wills.

There's such more on these spaces and sports that we don't know and even deeper when it's not the top tier teams that we get to know. I agree that their participation should also be blamed because if it's not for them, no fraud will be made since they're the ones playing and on the ground.

They should choose what's best for them and I guess they think at these times, money and being bought is what's best for them at the moment.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: wxa7115 on February 28, 2023, 12:58:01 AM
I get the feeling that the players were simply the fall guys in this operation, even though they were the ones most at fault, it's unlikely that they made the most profit from it all. There were probably bigger people in the fraud who managed to get away with a lot higher amounts, I just wonder how big the betting pool is for this sort of second league betting. Can you place bets on these teams at most major book makers, or because it is prone to abuse is it only offered at a few select bookmakers? Whenever people are caught in these situations it might be best if they are put in jail for a fair chunk of time or at least fined way more than they could possibly have gained as a lot of people probably lost money because of them.
And you are most likely correct about your guess, the ones closer to the fraud are the ones which have to face the consequences, while the masterminds behind them usually get away with their crimes.

And while it is possible they could be abusing bookmakers with the manipulation of those results, I think this is most likely an illegal gambling ring which accepts sport bets without having the license to do it, and they manipulate the results to beat their clients.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Fundamentals Of on February 28, 2023, 03:26:19 AM
I get the feeling that the players were simply the fall guys in this operation, even though they were the ones most at fault, it's unlikely that they made the most profit from it all. There were probably bigger people in the fraud who managed to get away with a lot higher amounts, I just wonder how big the betting pool is for this sort of second league betting. Can you place bets on these teams at most major book makers, or because it is prone to abuse is it only offered at a few select bookmakers? Whenever people are caught in these situations it might be best if they are put in jail for a fair chunk of time or at least fined way more than they could possibly have gained as a lot of people probably lost money because of them.
And you are most likely correct about your guess, the ones closer to the fraud are the ones which have to face the consequences, while the masterminds behind them usually get away with their crimes.

I'm sure this is the case. Ordinary players cannot set the terms. They cannot dictate on what will happen. I even think that many of the players are obliged to make the agreement happen even if they disagree with it or they're only given a small amount while risking their whole career. They are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Of course they cannot just reject the order of the bosses as they are under his payroll. But they cannot also easily accept it because they know it's illegal and are risking their livelihood and reputation.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: traderethereum on February 28, 2023, 05:53:20 AM
I get the feeling that the players were simply the fall guys in this operation, even though they were the ones most at fault, it's unlikely that they made the most profit from it all. There were probably bigger people in the fraud who managed to get away with a lot higher amounts, I just wonder how big the betting pool is for this sort of second league betting. Can you place bets on these teams at most major book makers, or because it is prone to abuse is it only offered at a few select bookmakers? Whenever people are caught in these situations it might be best if they are put in jail for a fair chunk of time or at least fined way more than they could possibly have gained as a lot of people probably lost money because of them.
And you are most likely correct about your guess, the ones closer to the fraud are the ones which have to face the consequences, while the masterminds behind them usually get away with their crimes.

I'm sure this is the case. Ordinary players cannot set the terms. They cannot dictate on what will happen. I even think that many of the players are obliged to make the agreement happen even if they disagree with it or they're only given a small amount while risking their whole career. They are in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Of course they cannot just reject the order of the bosses as they are under his payroll. But they cannot also easily accept it because they know it's illegal and are risking their livelihood and reputation.
The people who work behind the bouts arrange everything so that players, judges and others can do whatever they want.
Maybe these people have received bribes not to tell anyone or to keep this secret even though those involved can get prison sentences if government officials find out.
But those involved people are nowhere to be found because the organization behind it is so good at covering its tracks.
Money can indeed make someone change drastically, especially if it is big money and without tiring work.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Alisha-k on February 28, 2023, 06:11:05 AM
If it's possible for this kind of competition for fraud to occur, how much more to much smaller competitions. There are local and regional competitions everywhere. Some games must be rigged. Some detected, some not.

Here, there was also a national basketball competition where a team was obviously throwing the game. It was Manny Pacquiao himself who filed the case against those who were involved in the fixing.

I also have a neighbor who was a pro DOTA II player. He and his team were involved in match fixing. They were banned by Valve itself.

Fraud is also rampant in sports.
it is the order of the day, rampant in almost everything we get ourselves involved in as far as the internet and money is concerned though.
Banning your neighbor is a good punishment don't you think so??

Match fixing shouldn't be encouraged.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Pierre 2 on February 28, 2023, 06:15:55 AM
How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations.  So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not.  ???
I was lucky to find an exact answer (https://www.quora.com/Is-match-fixing-in-football-real-especially-in-Europe#:~:text=Fixing%20matches%20is%20100%25%20a,of%20the%20plenty%20lower%20leagues.) to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.

We never underestimate these kinds of problem because we know how serious it is as it can damage the reputation of the sport, club, league, and country. This is also annoying if you are too confident about the bets that you placed in a sports betting site but then you lose it because of a fixed match but even without these types of frauds, losing can still be inevitable sometimes because we are simply unlucky.
Match fixing is a common phenomenon in every part of the world. But I can definitely say that this type of match fixing is most common in minor leagues. So now if I hear any news about match fixing then I don't give much importance. Because now some games basically run for fixing. When sports are a means of business, many think of it as such way. But if there is no hope to get rid of this kind of scandal then people will not have much interest in the game. But for gamblers it will not have much effect.
Honestly I always felt like lower leagues experience huge sports betting fixes. Like I mean who would care when someone fix matches in 2nd-3rd league of Türkiye or Greece. Probably nearly noone. Saddening part is that many football (or sports) lovers start to dislike watching it. It kills many other legit revenues. It kills soul of sports. I wish there could be some sort of defence mechanism but its humanly thing so its pretty much impossible to avoid.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: GigaBit on February 28, 2023, 06:51:47 AM
Honestly I always felt like lower leagues experience huge sports betting fixes. Like I mean who would care when someone fix matches in 2nd-3rd league of Türkiye or Greece. Probably nearly noone. Saddening part is that many football (or sports) lovers start to dislike watching it. It kills many other legit revenues. It kills soul of sports. I wish there could be some sort of defence mechanism but its humanly thing so its pretty much impossible to avoid.
There are often allegations of match-fixing within the sport, especially in the minor leagues. I didn't pay heed to such news but learned to understand when i fell victim to it. The picture of a fixing match is very easy to imagine. There is no discussion about them or it is not possible to discuss them because there is no evidence. It is not only in the Football tournament. This kind of thing can happen in almost all sports. I placed a bet on a minor cricket league a few days back. Where i had more than 99 percent possibility to wins but i have lost. I needed fewer runs than i had enough wickets but i had to lose. I participated in minor cricket league. But now i try to avoid all these minor leagues.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Strongkored on February 28, 2023, 07:17:44 AM
This kind of thing can happen in almost all sports. I placed a bet on a minor cricket league a few days back. Where i had more than 99 percent possibility to wins but i have lost. I needed fewer runs than i had enough wickets but i had to lose. I participated in minor cricket league. But now i try to avoid all these minor leagues.
Yes, you are right, there is no sport that is immune from the practice of fix matches and that often happens in small tournaments that are not given much news, fix matches also occur in tennis but dirty practices like that still happen Two French tennis players banned for life for match fixing offences (https://www.itia.tennis/news/sanctions/okala-and-lescure-life-bans/#:~:text=Two%20French%20tennis%20players%20banned%20for%20life%20for%20match%20fixing%20offences&text=The%20International%20Tennis%20Integrity%20Agency,of%20match%20fixing%20since%202014.)
but once there was a big league that also did this practice, it was a detrimental thing A decade after Italy's match-fixing scandal, Serie A is worse than it was before (https://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2016/7/15/12197194/calciopoli-scandal-anniversary-juventus-milan-fiorentina-napoli#:~:text=Ten%20years%20ago%2C%20Juventus%20were,scandal%20in%20recent%20footballing%20history.)
It must be a very annoying thing if we choose a bet that turns out to be involved in a fixed match


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: AicecreaME on February 28, 2023, 02:35:28 PM
This kind of thing can happen in almost all sports. I placed a bet on a minor cricket league a few days back. Where i had more than 99 percent possibility to wins but i have lost. I needed fewer runs than i had enough wickets but i had to lose. I participated in minor cricket league. But now i try to avoid all these minor leagues.
Yes, you are right, there is no sport that is immune from the practice of fix matches and that often happens in small tournaments that are not given much news, fix matches also occur in tennis but dirty practices like that still happen Two French tennis players banned for life for match fixing offences (https://www.itia.tennis/news/sanctions/okala-and-lescure-life-bans/#:~:text=Two%20French%20tennis%20players%20banned%20for%20life%20for%20match%20fixing%20offences&text=The%20International%20Tennis%20Integrity%20Agency,of%20match%20fixing%20since%202014.)
but once there was a big league that also did this practice, it was a detrimental thing A decade after Italy's match-fixing scandal, Serie A is worse than it was before (https://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2016/7/15/12197194/calciopoli-scandal-anniversary-juventus-milan-fiorentina-napoli#:~:text=Ten%20years%20ago%2C%20Juventus%20were,scandal%20in%20recent%20footballing%20history.)
It must be a very annoying thing if we choose a bet that turns out to be involved in a fixed match

Fix matches are really popular and widely done in small or even big games. Although it's much known and really rampant with small games because there's little to no background checking done. Additionally, some who know it won't even bother to talk to escalate the cheating to the authorities so it's not fully eliminated even though there are some organizers for the betting or game itself.

It's hard to wipe out fixed matches because there are still people who condone and patronize such act because it offers easy money for them. It will now just depend on what principles and beliefs you uphold. If you will let your moral compass guide you or let your greediness take over.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: redsun114 on February 28, 2023, 06:18:49 PM
That is pretty unfortunate that such fraudulent activities occur in sports, and it is not limited to Brazil alone. These incidents attract attention due to a large amount of money involved. Though these things undermine the integrity of the game, those taking bribes or doing fraud don't really care.

Sports betting can be a legitimate way to earn money, but it should be done ethically and responsibly. It is disheartening to hear about fraudulent activities such as those in such a high-level competition. It doesn't set a good example for the world or the lovers of the game from around the globe that pay money to go watch those players in the stadiums only to come to know that they took money to sell the integrity of the game.


Title: Re: Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦
Post by: Fatunad on February 28, 2023, 09:24:36 PM
Honestly I always felt like lower leagues experience huge sports betting fixes. Like I mean who would care when someone fix matches in 2nd-3rd league of Türkiye or Greece. Probably nearly noone. Saddening part is that many football (or sports) lovers start to dislike watching it. It kills many other legit revenues. It kills soul of sports. I wish there could be some sort of defence mechanism but its humanly thing so its pretty much impossible to avoid.
There are often allegations of match-fixing within the sport, especially in the minor leagues. I didn't pay heed to such news but learned to understand when i fell victim to it. The picture of a fixing match is very easy to imagine. There is no discussion about them or it is not possible to discuss them because there is no evidence. It is not only in the Football tournament. This kind of thing can happen in almost all sports. I placed a bet on a minor cricket league a few days back. Where i had more than 99 percent possibility to wins but i have lost. I needed fewer runs than i had enough wickets but i had to lose. I participated in minor cricket league. But now i try to avoid all these minor leagues.
Not something new and its been known through ages if we do speak about these kind of rigging games and other things which is correlated to it.It is true that this do usually happens on smaller leagues which
there were no people that much watching for it to be not really that much obvious or been known to be a fixed ones.It is really that sure that someone is really making out arrangement about
these games and making money on having a fixed match.It is really hard to determine which one though because from those players until to those who had set out those who are on top
are really that careful on making it obvious.Its not something new anymore.