Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦

[rahmad2nd]

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.

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[Oilacris]

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.

Not really that a bad or weak regulation but rather some people on the organization or governing bodies does really involved on such illegal act or unethical move just for the sake of money.

We cant just able to deny that this is how this reality do works on where there are people who would really be doing things just for the sake of money.Setting up these kind of fights or games
could really just that possible on small leagues which it doesnt really that get attention or not that been caught obviously.

Its not new or shocking news anymore when it comes to this.Its always that been existing and there's nothing we can do about it.

[Oasisman]

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.

Hate to say this, but match fixing will never end, because people are always chasing for money and do whatever means necessary to take advantage of the system's flaws.
Fixed match benefits everyone in the league, especially when there's a huge betting in the line. Sports now a days in more of a business than an actual sport, so it will not going to surprise me if these athletes are not different than an actors/actresses who will play their role what they're told and the match is just a big act as if they're playing real ball, but the result is deliberate.

[KTChampions]

Strange as it may seem, but no, scammers will easily sue (and win) if the bookmaker simply freezes their money. Therefore, when bookmakers detect fraud, they do not freeze money, do not go to the police (except in extreme cases), but simply return bets on a suspicious event with a coefficient of 1 (just a return of the bet). For them, it is much easier than doing investigations, courts, etc. while scammers immediately fall into a huge minus (since the organization of fixed games obviously costs a lot of money).

That's quite surprising. I can't verify now whether it is true what you say, but I just assume it is as you probably quite a bit more about gambling than me. It it does make sense what you say when professional scammers are involved in getting account frozen. They will have a bullet proof set up I assume to exactly counter such an action from a bookmaker.

But this reminds me of insurance companies to have huge departments that deal day in and day out with hypothetical accidents and even conduct scientific research on whether or not a certain could in practice have happened the way a claimant describes it. As much as insurance fraud is a thing, I wonder whether it would make sense for bookmakers to also build an alliance and create a department that collects data and investigates suspicious causes around the clock. Over time that database could become valuable. Fraudsters will get family members involved and friends and then strangers who get also bribed if they try to get away and not show up in a database for suspects. But over time the fraudsters' alternatives might also decrease.

Since it is a multi-billion dollar business I just would have thought that they are running sophisticated investigation departments even across different platforms.

If someone is KYCed and you realize that he repeatedly is involved in suspicious cases, you just exclude him from your platform and share that info with all other bookmakers. Something like that could enfold an effect over time.

If we draw an analogy with the insurance business, then it is more correct to compare minor cases, rather than deaths and other accidents with millions of payments. As you probably know, for minor accidents, insurance companies usually pay (in civilized countries) simply upon the fact of the application without any examinations and other nonsense, since even if the applicant lies, it will be more expensive to catch him on this lie. So, by analogy, it’s cheaper for bookmakers to simply return bets than to deal with scammers where the result is not guaranteed.

[alegotardo]

Hate to say this, but match fixing will never end, because people are always chasing for money and do whatever means necessary to take advantage of the system's flaws.
Fixed match benefits everyone in the league, especially when there's a huge betting in the line. Sports now a days in more of a business than an actual sport, so it will not going to surprise me if these athletes are not different than an actors/actresses who will play their role what they're told and the match is just a big act as if they're playing real ball, but the result is deliberate.

I agree with you, it's something you can't protect yourself from, but it's possible to minimize the risks.
The best that can be done is to legalize gambling in countries, because if something is prohibited or poorly regulated, bettors have to resort to clandestine sites that generally have a low reputation and a high probability of manipulation of results.
However, when there is strong regulation, inspection is easier, bets are more "transparent" and auditable, and fraudsters are more at risk of committing crimes.

The second point is a responsibility of the bettors: if there is already a regulated market, bets must be placed on sites that have a reputation and follow the rules.
Generally, these sites are the first to report irregularities in betting to the authorities, keeping reputable bettors safer from fraud.

[AicecreaME]

It's so saddening that this still happens. Fixed matches is really common despite it being considered as cheating. And many people still do this even though it's not really legal and has repercussions with it. It's not only in Brazil, but in almost every part of the world, even in online games, NFTs and the likes, there are fixed matches. But it's still disappointing that people resort to do such thing just for the sake of money. They set aside their morals for an amount they can earn because they prefer the easy way instead of doing hard work.

If this happens in somewhat large scale, what more in small scale sportsbetting and gambling, right? Most likely it's rampant in local gambling and betting and perhaps they might even have organizers for fix matching for events like this to guarantee a win and a winning prize. Hopefully, this will be eliminated, but I doubt it can be done easily as it's rooted and has become a habit already.

[wxa7115]

It's so saddening that this still happens. Fixed matches is really common despite it being considered as cheating. And many people still do this even though it's not really legal and has repercussions with it. It's not only in Brazil, but in almost every part of the world, even in online games, NFTs and the likes, there are fixed matches. But it's still disappointing that people resort to do such thing just for the sake of money. They set aside their morals for an amount they can earn because they prefer the easy way instead of doing hard work.

If this happens in somewhat large scale, what more in small scale sportsbetting and gambling, right? Most likely it's rampant in local gambling and betting and perhaps they might even have organizers for fix matching for events like this to guarantee a win and a winning prize. Hopefully, this will be eliminated, but I doubt it can be done easily as it's rooted and has become a habit already.

While it is disappointing at the same time there is nothing we can do, as anyone that can pay so much money as in the example given by the OP probably has a lot of money to take advantage of those results and they probably make their living with all kind of illegal activities.

And it is unfortunate as this makes casinos very wary of winning gamblers, and even sport bettors which are using legitimate methods to beat the casinos could end up going through several identity checks due to the actions of those criminals.

[rodskee]

The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.

but brazil isn't that small country mate but yet there are fraud happening right? and actually this is not just about the country but about the capacity of people to cheat in gambling area.

As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

and also as long as there are people who wanted to participate and give consent to this doing? then we will never achieve a fraud free gambling.

[Reatim]

The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.

[Strongkored]

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.

You are right, that is why it is absolutely not permissible for a government official to get involved in sports organizations because with his position he can manage many things including fixing match scores with the help of people involved in organizing tournaments, and this practice occurs a lot in developing countries even though it also occurs in developed countries but the number is not as much as in developing countries and match fixing shows how the country is full of corrupt practices

[btc78]

This and God knows how many matches get fixed but pass through the public eyes without notice. Where there is money involved there is always chance for fraud.

and that is the power of money , this can blinded everyone in all chances  lol.  this is also the reason why I am now loving betting in regards to sports in PVP than in bookmarker .

$28,000 seems like a tempting amount to just score a penalty in a game at a certain time, so I'm not surprised that athletes have been able to get involved. I am surprised by another - is the market for betting on penalties at certain times so large that the bets that allow fraudsters to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars have long gone unnoticed? It seems to me that the very first big bet (even if it was split into many small ones) would have attracted attention.

I have known a former Basketball star here in our country that admit this to be happening , they are being part of fixed matches and received decent amount for that involvement .

[xSkylarx]

The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

That is why other sportsbettors only bet on those big games with no controversy (we still don't know if it's a legit game) so that their chance of winning is bigger. But right now, money matters mostly to those smaller leagues, as they can't earn that much. I also remembered about celebrity boxing in our country that it is some sort of fixed as they fight only for money and it is scripted, to which they are successful, and they just get people's money on it, which I am pissed off about.

[wiss19]

this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.

I wouldn't call this a bad side of sports betting because it's not its fault but it's the fault of the people who do this. In other gambling games (casino games) frauds can still happen. There is no perfect system. The only way to avoid them is to stay informed. Always read the news and listen to the talks around you, so that you will know if the sports betting game is suspected to be a fixed match or not. Same goes when playing on a casino site. You can avoid them as well if you heard that the casino is shady.

Yes, we should not be encouraged to bet in a fixed match even though we get insider information as this was still wrong and they will only be encouraged (the organizers of this event) to repeat the same thing.

[BobK71]

The real beneficiaries are the ones behind this match-fixing and it doesn't usually start with the players but with those big gamblers behind them.
The players are being used and gets paid for their participation but it isn't big compared to what these gamblers are getting from these fixed matches.
As for the government, if there's a government that's involved in match-fixing then that's truly a corrupt administration.

You can't eradicate this problem if bigwigs are the ones involved on this activity.
And definitely, not only in Brazil but in other countries as well, but it will be in minor leagues.
Hard to manipulate a game without controversy if they play this game in major leagues.
This is why most fixed games can be observed in small leagues where these bigwigs can put a good amount of money.
I can say, this gambling fraud won't stop so long there are big gamblers who want to earn huge profits along with athletes who can be bribed.

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.

Incidents like match-fixing are common in sports betting but it remain under wraps as there is no evidence of those incidents. But for the average gambler, this is not a big obstacle. There are no major obstacles if you can manage your betting according to your own risk. Gambling can be enjoyed only as a center of entertainment rather than as a major source of income. If one can do sports betting by ignoring all kinds of negative aspects then he can enjoy the real pleasure of gambling.

[DoublerHunter]

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Yes, we should not be encouraged to bet in a fixed match even though we get insider information as this was still wrong and they will only be encouraged (the organizers of this event) to repeat the same thing.

^Definitely right, because placing bets on fixed matches is considered illegal and unethical, as it goes against the principles of fair play and can lead to fraudulent activity. In addition to the legal and ethical issues, betting on fixed matches is generally considered to be a very risky and unreliable way of making money. Put in mind that always gamble responsibly and within legal and ethical boundaries. If you want to enjoy sports betting, you should consider only betting on events that are fair and transparent, and do so only with money that you can afford to lose.
If we keep supporting fixed matches, this will not end and it seems we supporting fraudulent activities in the sports betting industry.

[temple]

Strange as it may seem, but no, scammers will easily sue (and win) if the bookmaker simply freezes their money. Therefore, when bookmakers detect fraud, they do not freeze money, do not go to the police (except in extreme cases), but simply return bets on a suspicious event with a coefficient of 1 (just a return of the bet). For them, it is much easier than doing investigations, courts, etc. while scammers immediately fall into a huge minus (since the organization of fixed games obviously costs a lot of money).

That's quite surprising. I can't verify now whether it is true what you say, but I just assume it is as you probably quite a bit more about gambling than me. It it does make sense what you say when professional scammers are involved in getting account frozen. They will have a bullet proof set up I assume to exactly counter such an action from a bookmaker.

But this reminds me of insurance companies to have huge departments that deal day in and day out with hypothetical accidents and even conduct scientific research on whether or not a certain could in practice have happened the way a claimant describes it. As much as insurance fraud is a thing, I wonder whether it would make sense for bookmakers to also build an alliance and create a department that collects data and investigates suspicious causes around the clock. Over time that database could become valuable. Fraudsters will get family members involved and friends and then strangers who get also bribed if they try to get away and not show up in a database for suspects. But over time the fraudsters' alternatives might also decrease.

Since it is a multi-billion dollar business I just would have thought that they are running sophisticated investigation departments even across different platforms.

If someone is KYCed and you realize that he repeatedly is involved in suspicious cases, you just exclude him from your platform and share that info with all other bookmakers. Something like that could enfold an effect over time.

If we draw an analogy with the insurance business, then it is more correct to compare minor cases, rather than deaths and other accidents with millions of payments. As you probably know, for minor accidents, insurance companies usually pay (in civilized countries) simply upon the fact of the application without any examinations and other nonsense, since even if the applicant lies, it will be more expensive to catch him on this lie. So, by analogy, it’s cheaper for bookmakers to simply return bets than to deal with scammers where the result is not guaranteed.

Hmmm... I don't think I fully agree here because I know many cases where car accidents with damages in the four figure range have been thoroughly investigated, I can tell you that! It is not only about individual cases that are investigated, but they conduct research on specific accidental set ups and then see whether logic and physics apply in such a realistic way that the case described by the claimant is more likely to happened or not. The same applies to damages with laptops, for instance when you say that it fell off the table. I have seen a documentary where they take laptops and let them drop from all kinds of heights and angles, then they ask they claimants for the height and angle and compare it to their damage patterns.

So I guess you know what I mean when I say that bookmakers could create collaborative data banks about patterns or when it comes to persona data, perhaps they need to take care of data privacy laws, but they could use encrypted IDs for suspects and just flag someone and if another bookie has a suspicion and flags the same user, they could exclude him or her from playing. You know, there should be away for them to coordinate collaborative efforts in order to more effectively tackle scammers.

But ultimately you are right I guess because the scammers will adapt anyway. I suppose there will always be ways for scammers to circumvent newly created "hurdles".

[Accardo]

It's so saddening that this still happens. Fixed matches is really common despite it being considered as cheating. And many people still do this even though it's not really legal and has repercussions with it. It's not only in Brazil, but in almost every part of the world, even in online games, NFTs and the likes, there are fixed matches. But it's still disappointing that people resort to do such thing just for the sake of money. They set aside their morals for an amount they can earn because they prefer the easy way instead of doing hard work.

If this happens in somewhat large scale, what more in small scale sportsbetting and gambling, right? Most likely it's rampant in local gambling and betting and perhaps they might even have organizers for fix matching for events like this to guarantee a win and a winning prize. Hopefully, this will be eliminated, but I doubt it can be done easily as it's rooted and has become a habit already.

While it is disappointing at the same time there is nothing we can do, as anyone that can pay so much money as in the example given by the OP probably has a lot of money to take advantage of those results and they probably make their living with all kind of illegal activities.

And it is unfortunate as this makes casinos very wary of winning gamblers, and even sport bettors which are using legitimate methods to beat the casinos could end up going through several identity checks due to the actions of those criminals.

The moment fixed games market sneaked into the soccer gambling niche it doesn't seem to be a surprise anymore. Many game predictors ask bettors to pay to get a fixed result to stake in their bet, which means they've paid a whooping amount to get the match rigged in their favor. Thereby earning huge from people that pay them to get the fixed games. Sometimes the super rich manipulate the results, but it's easier to get the result through the market; right source instead of single handily paying so much to the game officials to play the game in their favor. I'd push the blame on the fixed game market.

[Casdinyard]

It's so saddening that this still happens. Fixed matches is really common despite it being considered as cheating. And many people still do this even though it's not really legal and has repercussions with it. It's not only in Brazil, but in almost every part of the world, even in online games, NFTs and the likes, there are fixed matches. But it's still disappointing that people resort to do such thing just for the sake of money. They set aside their morals for an amount they can earn because they prefer the easy way instead of doing hard work.

If this happens in somewhat large scale, what more in small scale sportsbetting and gambling, right? Most likely it's rampant in local gambling and betting and perhaps they might even have organizers for fix matching for events like this to guarantee a win and a winning prize. Hopefully, this will be eliminated, but I doubt it can be done easily as it's rooted and has become a habit already.

Just because it's morally unethical doesn't mean people will not do it. If that was the case crimes wouldn't exist in the first place. If you'll ask me, you shouldn't be disappointed with the players who are caught between choosing a quick buck or winning a game. For me the problem is with these manipulators who would willingly tip the odds in their favor in any way they can. If these manipulators are taken care of, incarcerated or the likes, then I'll bet you match fixing wouldn't exist. The players aren't the problem. It's the system.

[Hispo]

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Just because it's morally unethical doesn't mean people will not do it. If that was the case crimes wouldn't exist in the first place. If you'll ask me, you shouldn't be disappointed with the players who are caught between choosing a quick buck or winning a game. For me the problem is with these manipulators who would willingly tip the odds in their favor in any way they can. If these manipulators are taken care of, incarcerated or the likes, then I'll bet you match fixing wouldn't exist. The players aren't the problem. It's the system.

What if the players could also be held accountable for accepting these kinds of deals?
I mean, people who are part of a crime syndicate and partake in sport fraud would be eventually caught but there will be always criminals willing to bribe players.

Perhaps, some players accept because the consequences on accepting such shady dealings aren't rough enough. I believe if a player of any discipline is playing to get far in the long term, they would not accept money to lose on purpose, and it would be less likely if getting caught meant a premature end to their career.

[Lanatsa]

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Just because it's morally unethical doesn't mean people will not do it. If that was the case crimes wouldn't exist in the first place. If you'll ask me, you shouldn't be disappointed with the players who are caught between choosing a quick buck or winning a game. For me the problem is with these manipulators who would willingly tip the odds in their favor in any way they can. If these manipulators are taken care of, incarcerated or the likes, then I'll bet you match fixing wouldn't exist. The players aren't the problem. It's the system.

What if the players could also be held accountable for accepting these kinds of deals?
I mean, people who are part of a crime syndicate and partake in sport fraud would be eventually caught but there will be always criminals willing to bribe players.

Perhaps, some players accept because the consequences on accepting such shady dealings aren't rough enough. I believe if a player of any discipline is playing to get far in the long term, they would not accept money to lose on purpose, and it would be less likely if getting caught meant a premature end to their career.

There should be no exemption from up to the heads until to the players who got involved should really be penalized.It is really just that the ones who would really be taking up the blame are to those who are on

frontlines but for those who are in back are always been hidden.This is the advantage on having the power and the money for making these things to be possible.Its not really that shocking nor
something new if we do speak about these probabilities.

Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.