Sports betting fraud in Brazil 😦

[shogun47]

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Just because it's morally unethical doesn't mean people will not do it. If that was the case crimes wouldn't exist in the first place. If you'll ask me, you shouldn't be disappointed with the players who are caught between choosing a quick buck or winning a game. For me the problem is with these manipulators who would willingly tip the odds in their favor in any way they can. If these manipulators are taken care of, incarcerated or the likes, then I'll bet you match fixing wouldn't exist. The players aren't the problem. It's the system.

What if the players could also be held accountable for accepting these kinds of deals?
I mean, people who are part of a crime syndicate and partake in sport fraud would be eventually caught but there will be always criminals willing to bribe players.

Perhaps, some players accept because the consequences on accepting such shady dealings aren't rough enough. I believe if a player of any discipline is playing to get far in the long term, they would not accept money to lose on purpose, and it would be less likely if getting caught meant a premature end to their career.

There should be no exemption from up to the heads until to the players who got involved should really be penalized.It is really just that the ones who would really be taking up the blame are to those who are on

frontlines but for those who are in back are always been hidden.This is the advantage on having the power and the money for making these things to be possible.Its not really that shocking nor
something new if we do speak about these probabilities.

Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.

[uneng]

It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.

It's true it's difficult to reach the bosses of the mafia, because their structure is composed by many layers of "professionals" who don't interact with partners from too different layers. Someone at the top of the pyramid doesn't have direct contact with someone on the bottom and vice-versa.

But once one or another fraudsters are caught, they should count with protection from authorities and police, through witness protection programs, so they can be free to talk what they know about the scheme without retaliation to their lives and the lives of their families. As far as I know it's an obligation of the state to guarantee this right to the individuals involved on the case.

[Hispo]

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It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.

Actually, I had not considered the possibility of blackmail. But it makes sense those criminals kept records of the player they work him.
They convince a player in a relatively small league, everything goes according to plan and everyone moves on, years later the same player finds himself playing for a bigger league or even in a continental cup, just to be contacted by the same bad people he worked with years ago, they blackmail him into accepting another deal or lose his career as an established professional player... crazy stuff.

[len01]

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

[BobK71]

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It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.

Actually, I had not considered the possibility of blackmail. But it makes sense those criminals kept records of the player they work him.
They convince a player in a relatively small league, everything goes according to plan and everyone moves on, years later the same player finds himself playing for a bigger league or even in a continental cup, just to be contacted by the same bad people he worked with years ago, they blackmail him into accepting another deal or lose his career as an established professional player... crazy stuff.

This is not unusual. Once a player engages in any illegal activity. Then it becomes very difficult to turn him back from that road. When the player wants to get rid of committing crime by his own decision, he can face blackmail in various ways. He has nothing to do. As a result, he has to follow the path shown by those miscreants. But this is never revealed. Due to which no one can get free from this kind of trap easily.

[maydna]

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.

[Lanatsa]

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It is extremely difficult to catch the heads of those operations. Once you as a player agreed to collude with them you are also into serious trouble if you ever want to get out again, let alone talk to the police and tell them whatever you know. Even then you probably have no idea who the bosses are and maybe you don't even have the real names of those guys you met in person when they gave you cash or whatever.

What is also possible is that some players get blackmailed. Depending on where you are in this world it is not impossible that if you can influence a game and are a potential target for betting fraudsters, they could approach you and leave you no choice but to cooperate.

If I was working with some mafia and then get busted or want to stop, hell I would be afraid of talking. You never know what's going to happen to you the next time you leave your house.

Actually, I had not considered the possibility of blackmail. But it makes sense those criminals kept records of the player they work him.
They convince a player in a relatively small league, everything goes according to plan and everyone moves on, years later the same player finds himself playing for a bigger league or even in a continental cup, just to be contacted by the same bad people he worked with years ago, they blackmail him into accepting another deal or lose his career as an established professional player... crazy stuff.

This is not unusual. Once a player engages in any illegal activity. Then it becomes very difficult to turn him back from that road. When the player wants to get rid of committing crime by his own decision, he can face blackmail in various ways. He has nothing to do. As a result, he has to follow the path shown by those miscreants. But this is never revealed. Due to which no one can get free from this kind of trap easily.

There's no way that you would really be able to get out once you are getting in which its understandable because you had agreed into their terms and its just common sense that you do know on how they do

operate which means that it is really just that normal that you cant easily back off when you are tending to quit or really have that conscience bothering you.This is why its better to make out decisions
that wont really be messing up your life or you would be  ending up on regret.

Somehow dealing up with something illegal will really be that give opportunity about easy money but we know on what are the exchange.

[romero121]

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.

In some form it'll be happening around. Nowadays this isn't happening much with the international and large level leagues. In the past money is a factor, and now the same have turned towards fame. For that reason players doesn't want their names to be spoilt for money. Brazil being a football nation and the country that created legendary football players for the world encountering such issues will down the football support and the same might be followed elsewhere. These kind of acts need to be eradicated at the root.

[btc78]

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.

correct , not unless there will be an inside person that will reveal this scams ? people will not manage to learn about the thing though sometimes it is obvious in the game when players try to ignore scoring when they have a chance and also when they can prevent opponent to score yet they let it happen.
those are the point that we have some ideas of something happening that is not right in this game.

[Reatim]

this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.

Incidents like match-fixing are common in sports betting but it remain under wraps as there is no evidence of those incidents. But for the average gambler, this is not a big obstacle. There are no major obstacles if you can manage your betting according to your own risk. Gambling can be enjoyed only as a center of entertainment rather than as a major source of income. If one can do sports betting by ignoring all kinds of negative aspects then he can enjoy the real pleasure of gambling.

though mostly is is obvious right? there are several games that we can see those leakage like basketball and Football .
though sometimes it is in the players own preperation bit mostly in the management that tells them what to do.
but nowadays? i distance myself from betting on those kind as i don't find the best interest both of gambling and betting.

[alegotardo]

this is the bad side of sportsbetting in which while many gambling games does not support this yet in sports it is possible.
let us not  support them instead gamble at our own risk to maintain the fun and thrill.in which the essence of gambling in my own belief and understanding.

Incidents like match-fixing are common in sports betting but it remain under wraps as there is no evidence of those incidents. But for the average gambler, this is not a big obstacle. There are no major obstacles if you can manage your betting according to your own risk. Gambling can be enjoyed only as a center of entertainment rather than as a major source of income. If one can do sports betting by ignoring all kinds of negative aspects then he can enjoy the real pleasure of gambling.

I'm sure that the most affected by a betting fraud are always the websites, because the frauds that involve the co-participation of players always lead the game to have a result that "goes a long way" from what was expected for a normal game situation.

Sites pay their rewards based on these "standards" of what would be the expected result, and so when fraud occurs, they end up having to pay a much higher amount, in addition to being an undignified payment.

Players also end up being penalized for fraud, as the results are not what they expected, but they lose a much smaller amount compared to the site's losses.

[STT]

Its a possibility in every country unfortunately, how widespread and organized is another degree.  What tends to happen is success of the fixes brings its downfall, it becomes obvious and those players are likely never to play again.   The worst region I've heard of and Im not saying I would know for sure where is worst in the world but reputably the worst is the asia pacific region for widespread common throwing almost as a career earnings path which is sad and disappointing for any fans of the game.   Multiple teams have been cleared out and ended in that way in an attempt to clean up the scene but obviously its a attractive easy money and the problem will be persuasive unless regulation is merciless is cutting it back like a weed.

[Hispo]

How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations.  So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not. 

[maydna]

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.

In some form it'll be happening around. Nowadays this isn't happening much with the international and large level leagues. In the past money is a factor, and now the same have turned towards fame. For that reason players doesn't want their names to be spoilt for money. Brazil being a football nation and the country that created legendary football players for the world encountering such issues will down the football support and the same might be followed elsewhere. These kind of acts need to be eradicated at the root.

Nowadays, money is still the root of many problems because many people want to get a lot of money, even by using illegal or incorrect ways. But if the players realize that cheating can cause their names to be damaged, it will not be worth doing and they should stay away from people trying to offer these things. It will make them in danger because, in addition to losing big names, they can also be crossed out from the list of players and may even receive punishment from the court if it is proven to help those illegal ways.

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Frauds and rigged games could really happen but just like on what most people been saying that it do happen mostly on smaller leagues.

yes indeed such scams are usually more common in local leagues which are less conspicuous when lots of people are betting.
but frauds as the OP mentioned can also happen in major leagues which we don't know about. because there used to be cheating or fraud like that when the dealer bribed players to lose matches without scoring goals.
so, incidents like this can be a lesson for us to be careful when placing bets. because what seems to win doesn't necessarily win, sometimes it's the opposite.

Many people will not know about cheating in sports because they are so good at hiding it from the public. They have had a well-functioning network of concealing such scams and foul play for a long time, and these are very difficult to eradicate due to a lack of witnesses willing, to tell the truth about these frauds. And that's why there may still be a lot of cheating in sports that we don't know about because the people behind the scene have their respective duties to protect and hide it from the public.

correct , not unless there will be an inside person that will reveal this scams ? people will not manage to learn about the thing though sometimes it is obvious in the game when players try to ignore scoring when they have a chance and also when they can prevent opponent to score yet they let it happen.
those are the point that we have some ideas of something happening that is not right in this game.

People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.

[Kakmakr]

This does not just happen in the Series B matches..... there was a massive scandal in the FIFA World Cup 2022 when Qatar was accused of bribing Ecuador players 7.4 million dollars to lose opening match.  

I stopped watching Cricket for many years when it came out that one of my favorite Cricket players (Hansie Cronje) were involved in match fixing in a game against India. (So when this are revealed, it does harm to the Sport and the people betting on it)  

I hope more players are banned from the Sport, when they are caught doing this and the people who bribe them, has to go to prison.

[Finestream]

Yeah, this still sadly happens in some other countries and they're capitalizing and abusing it with the smaller leagues. That's the sad reality that this is hard to be gone.
As long as these people who are behind these match fixing sees some opportunities in any sport that they can make a fixed match, this will go on and it's gonna be hard to stop it even with the authorities.

IMO, usually this kind of practice happens because of a bad system and weak regulation. cases such as match fixing, with all its modes will always be exploited by irresponsible parties. usually, their goal is minor leagues that are easy to control as the OP has discussed in this thread.

Cases like this not only involve the players, but also involve many parties involved in it. there are many people who want to benefit, whether it's managers, club officials, it doesn't even rule out the possibility, a federation is also involved and this doesn't only happen in Brazil. in fact, we were shocked by a big scandal in the dark history of the world of football that happened in Serie A 2006 ago. and this is the bad side of the world of football, that practices such as match fixing are still difficult to eradicate.

Not only in football but even in boxing, basketball, cricket and baseball. Despite of the heavy fines that are imposed to those who are caught, still the scandal continues to happen. So I won’t be surprised that it is also practiced in football, as there are also a lot of greedy players and officials that are into football game. As long as there are no tight regulations on these games, expect that match fixing will never be avoided.

[klidex]

People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.

Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.

[_act_]

Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.

I do not know if it will happen in Brazil Seria A and Seria B, this are the two that I recognized among them, I also recognize the cup in Brazil because the clubs in top leagues are among them that are competing for the cup. Aside that, I do not go for lower leagues because anything lower can bring manipulation, people prefer to manipulate the lower leagues. Also it is better to go for those top leagues like UCL, premier league, La Liga, Bundesliga, Italian Seria A and thkse tops leagues, no manipulation.

[maydna]

People involved in such things will try to cover it from the public and will not let their members divulge it. And if they suspect someone will do or leak it, they will prevent it and might eliminate it forever. This clearly gives risks to those involved but they continue to continue because there is a large money behind all this so they can accept the risks.

Yes, it's true, as you said, anyone will be blind when dealing with very large amounts of money.
They even dare to take risks by manipulating everything and they don't even hesitate to eliminate someone who tries to leak their crimes to the public.
But this will only happen to a group of rich people who have so much money that they can do anything with their money to make even more money.
This action can harm a lot of gamblers, even from small circles to big gamblers.

And sadly, the people involved in that business don't care about the fate of other people because as long as they can take advantage of what they're doing, they will continue to do it, even if it means sacrificing someone's life to protect their business. Such a business must be eradicated and requires courage from the authorities to reveal it so that no one becomes a victim, be it players, the public, or even local officials in the business circle. But this is not easy because the authorities must try hard to find people who can tell the truth about the business and disclose it to the public. If the public finds out, there is a possibility that such businesses will be traced and eradicated.

[darewaller]

How common do you think this kind of fraud is on European countries, for example?
I would personally never think that this could be possible in Germany or the United Kingdom, however, I am not from there.

Sometimes we underestimate the reach of these problems around the world and the power of criminal organizations.  So people believe they are safe betting in the Bundeslisga, but perhaps they are not. 

I was lucky to find an exact answer to your question. It is said that there are so many match-fixers in Europe and that's because there are so many lower leagues there but maybe it can also happen to other countries who have a huge number of lower leagues.

We never underestimate these kinds of problem because we know how serious it is as it can damage the reputation of the sport, club, league, and country. This is also annoying if you are too confident about the bets that you placed in a sports betting site but then you lose it because of a fixed match but even without these types of frauds, losing can still be inevitable sometimes because we are simply unlucky.