Coinplay scammed me out of 1300 USDT

[pixie85]

I don't see any mention of letting the OP to withdraw the deposit. Where am I missed?

OP confirmed they can in the OP.

You can withdraw the deposited sum only."

And the casino representative confirmed it in their reply to the player:

You can withdraw the deposited sum only.

So they're in fact ruling this in his favor due to the following :

due to you not complying with these Terms, we may cancel and/or void any of your bets and withhold any money in your account (including the deposit) (General Terms and Rules 6.6)

If according to the rules they're allowed to take his deposit but choose to return it, it should close the case and this thread.

This is the usual copy pasta when you can't provide proof, just like 1xbit, i'm the first one being scammed the more people will appear with this problem soon and i'm pretty sure of that.

So did you get the deposit back or not? This is the important part most of the people in this thread want to see.

[bachezy]

So did you get the deposit back or not? This is the important part most of the people in this thread want to see.

I did get my deposit but who cares? the deposit is 7% of the money i earned on the site. It's an easy business for them if they only accept losing customers and return the deposit every time they encounter a winner

[cicadasTR]

Pmalek, and bitcoingirlclub I guess, do you bet with real money, not bonuses? Are you up or down overall lifetime?

I don't play casino games and since most bonuses revolve around casino games, I don't use them. I bet on sports from time to time when I see a good offer that I believe can work in my favor. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. Betting isn't my profession and I don't look at it as a job so I can't give you any numbers. I don't always bet online and do some betting in my local betting shops. No names, no digital proof, no tracking, and no historical records to check. Even if I had such stats, I see no reason why I would talk about it publicly with unknown internet users.  

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning. Or betting high odds and winning. You can get limited by losing, but beating the closing line. Betnomi even call this cheating. Basically showing any sort of ability or brains can get you limited.

And like bachezy said, the little shitbooks do it quicker, because their risk ceiling is low and their liquidity is limited. A Curacao license is cheap, less than 30k, with no minimum starting bankroll. It's also why most of them end up in this section.

Deposit back only is a freeroll for Coinplay, that ain't right.

[pilosopotasyo]

Pmalek, and bitcoingirlclub I guess, do you bet with real money, not bonuses? Are you up or down overall lifetime?

I don't play casino games and since most bonuses revolve around casino games, I don't use them. I bet on sports from time to time when I see a good offer that I believe can work in my favor. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. Betting isn't my profession and I don't look at it as a job so I can't give you any numbers. I don't always bet online and do some betting in my local betting shops. No names, no digital proof, no tracking, and no historical records to check. Even if I had such stats, I see no reason why I would talk about it publicly with unknown internet users.  

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning. Or betting high odds and winning. You can get limited by losing, but beating the closing line. Betnomi even call this cheating. Basically showing any sort of ability or brains can get you limited.

And like bachezy said, the little shitbooks do it quicker, because their risk ceiling is low and their liquidity is limited. A Curacao license is cheap, less than 30k, with no minimum starting bankroll. It's also why most of them end up in this section.

Deposit back only is a freeroll for Coinplay, that ain't right.

Is bachezy really that good and he is winning in all the casinos where he got limited or he is violating the terms of the casinos where he got limited, I don't have the pieces of evidence of all the other casinos but if he is proven to cheat on one then he could be cheating on all and if he can prove that he got limited from winning then he has a case that he is indeed good and these casinos don't want him on their platform, so bachezy can you show that you have a case and prove that these casinos are wrong in limiting you.

[cicadasTR]

Pmalek, and bitcoingirlclub I guess, do you bet with real money, not bonuses? Are you up or down overall lifetime?

I don't play casino games and since most bonuses revolve around casino games, I don't use them. I bet on sports from time to time when I see a good offer that I believe can work in my favor. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. Betting isn't my profession and I don't look at it as a job so I can't give you any numbers. I don't always bet online and do some betting in my local betting shops. No names, no digital proof, no tracking, and no historical records to check. Even if I had such stats, I see no reason why I would talk about it publicly with unknown internet users.  

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning. Or betting high odds and winning. You can get limited by losing, but beating the closing line. Betnomi even call this cheating. Basically showing any sort of ability or brains can get you limited.

And like bachezy said, the little shitbooks do it quicker, because their risk ceiling is low and their liquidity is limited. A Curacao license is cheap, less than 30k, with no minimum starting bankroll. It's also why most of them end up in this section.

Deposit back only is a freeroll for Coinplay, that ain't right.

Is bachezy really that good and he is winning in all the casinos where he got limited or he is violating the terms of the casinos where he got limited, I don't have the pieces of evidence of all the other casinos but if he is proven to cheat on one then he could be cheating on all and if he can prove that he got limited from winning then he has a case that he is indeed good and these casinos don't want him on their platform, so bachezy can you show that you have a case and prove that these casinos are wrong in limiting you.

There should be a required comprehension reading level to post here. Read the thread again amigo.

[bachezy]

Pmalek, and bitcoingirlclub I guess, do you bet with real money, not bonuses? Are you up or down overall lifetime?

I don't play casino games and since most bonuses revolve around casino games, I don't use them. I bet on sports from time to time when I see a good offer that I believe can work in my favor. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. Betting isn't my profession and I don't look at it as a job so I can't give you any numbers. I don't always bet online and do some betting in my local betting shops. No names, no digital proof, no tracking, and no historical records to check. Even if I had such stats, I see no reason why I would talk about it publicly with unknown internet users.  

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning. Or betting high odds and winning. You can get limited by losing, but beating the closing line. Betnomi even call this cheating. Basically showing any sort of ability or brains can get you limited.

And like bachezy said, the little shitbooks do it quicker, because their risk ceiling is low and their liquidity is limited. A Curacao license is cheap, less than 30k, with no minimum starting bankroll. It's also why most of them end up in this section.

Deposit back only is a freeroll for Coinplay, that ain't right.

Is bachezy really that good and he is winning in all the casinos where he got limited or he is violating the terms of the casinos where he got limited, I don't have the pieces of evidence of all the other casinos but if he is proven to cheat on one then he could be cheating on all and if he can prove that he got limited from winning then he has a case that he is indeed good and these casinos don't want him on their platform, so bachezy can you show that you have a case and prove that these casinos are wrong in limiting you.

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

[Pmalek]

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning.

Fair enough. To add to my previous statement. When I was younger (and this was before crypto gambling became a thing), I had long periods of playing with 3 digit wagers (almost daily) on multiple online fiat casinos. Mostly on odds of 1.70 and above. I wouldn't call myself extremely successful, but there were fruitful months. Never once was I limited, banned, or investigated by any bookies. My priorities are a bit different now so I don't do that anymore.
If bachezy didn't do anything wrong and got wrongfully accused and had his money confiscated, he should continue fighting with a mediator and post the verdict here that proves that Coinplay was in the wrong. That's it. If no 3rd-party agrees with him or accepts to take his case, many will see it as case closed.

[cicadasTR]

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning.

Fair enough. To add to my previous statement. When I was younger (and this was before crypto gambling became a thing), I had long periods of playing with 3 digit wagers (almost daily) on multiple online fiat casinos. Mostly on odds of 1.70 and above. I wouldn't call myself extremely successful, but there were fruitful months. Never once was I limited, banned, or investigated by any bookies. My priorities are a bit different now so I don't do that anymore.
If bachezy didn't do anything wrong and got wrongfully accused and had his money confiscated, he should continue fighting with a mediator and post the verdict here that proves that Coinplay was in the wrong. That's it. If no 3rd-party agrees with him or accepts to take his case, many will see it as case closed.

Yeah, it wasn't a dig, and you seem more even keeled than most on this section. Just that the rules for people who play for fun, and the small percentage that do it seriously are so far apart, you'd have to see it to believe it; some books will openly say they don't want sharp action like aforementioned Betnomi and a few others. Which is mad but there you go.

[ScamViruS]

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

Casinos are becoming very strict now and harassing their customers when they find something suspicious. Which is really becoming a worry for gamblers now. Many casinos now resort to blocking gamblers' accounts without any prior notice. Which is really scary situation. Because every time the casinos target the gamblers, they write their one-sided charges, which makes it difficult to understand who is guilty and who is innocent.

[bachezy]

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning.

Fair enough. To add to my previous statement. When I was younger (and this was before crypto gambling became a thing), I had long periods of playing with 3 digit wagers (almost daily) on multiple online fiat casinos. Mostly on odds of 1.70 and above. I wouldn't call myself extremely successful, but there were fruitful months. Never once was I limited, banned, or investigated by any bookies. My priorities are a bit different now so I don't do that anymore.
If bachezy didn't do anything wrong and got wrongfully accused and had his money confiscated, he should continue fighting with a mediator and post the verdict here that proves that Coinplay was in the wrong. That's it. If no 3rd-party agrees with him or accepts to take his case, many will see it as case closed.

I'm currently in talks with casino-guru, we should reach a verdict soon and i will update everyone here.

[pilosopotasyo]

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post.

You are not wise enough to use another account so the focus is on the issue and not on your character.

coming from Coinplay

Why don't the sites give details about why the account was blocked? Probably, in order to not provide players who break the rules and play dishonestly more information?
With which they will be able to continue their fraudulent activity.

We would like to clarify the situation regarding bachezy.

His post history is available to all forum members, so you can check what he posted here.

He got blocked on BTC365.
Here he was limited to betnomy.
Here he was blocked on betcoin.
Nolimit365
OLE777
And so on, you can check for yourself.

Why is this happening? Is bachezy so unlucky that he is limited and blocked everywhere, or does he perform some suspicious actions and violate the rules of many sites?

[bachezy]

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post

And how can i prove i'm legit? Please enlight me.

[pilosopotasyo]

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post

And how can i prove i'm legit? Please enlight me.

You claim to be one so prove it, there is an allegation of cheating from a cheater so Coinplay need not show proof 
they will only present your past actions on casino.guru and the burden will be on you that you are not cheating this time.

[bachezy]

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post

And how can i prove i'm legit? Please enlight me.

You claim to be one so prove it, there is an allegation of cheating from a cheater so Coinplay need not show proof 
they will only present your past actions on casino.guru and the burden will be on you that you are not cheating this time.

I think you don't have any knowledge about sportsbetting, it's impossible to prove that i'm legit, they are the ones who can prove i cheated. I don't know why you comment here if you don't understand the topic in question.

[pilosopotasyo]

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post

And how can i prove i'm legit? Please enlight me.

You claim to be one so prove it, there is an allegation of cheating from a cheater so Coinplay need not show proof  
they will only present your past actions on casino.guru and the burden will be on you that you are not cheating this time.

I think you don't have any knowledge about sportsbetting, it's impossible to prove that i'm legit, they are the ones who can prove i cheated. I don't know why you comment here if you don't understand the topic in question.

I can invite a guy here who knows nothing about gambling only logic and common sense to read the topic and they can conclude that you have to prove that you are not a cheater on this one when you have a long list of casinos where you got ban or limited for alleged cheating, I think you're missing Coin_play post here, they can easily verify you as breaking their rules because you have a history of that.
This is my last post here go ahead and ask a third party to mediate and I wish you success I only show you what will lie ahead and that is they will make reference to your character on past casinos you've played.

[Pmalek]

You claim to be one so prove it, there is an allegation of cheating from a cheater so Coinplay need not show proof  

It doesn't work like that. In no normal country or venture can it be enough to point the finger at someone and say he did me wrong and that's all that needs to be done. Maybe in North Korea if you didn't applaud your dictator or in Iran if you are a woman not wearing her head scarf.

But I understand what you were trying to say with this:

I can invite a guy here who knows nothing about gambling only logic and common sense to read the topic and they can conclude that you have to prove that you are not a cheater on this one when you have a long list of casinos where you got ban or limited for alleged cheating, I think you're missing Coin_play post here, they can easily verify you as breaking their rules because you have a history of that.

It's like with ex cons. A criminal remains a criminal long after serving his prison sentence. It follows him in his social interactions or when he tries to get a job. If you were imprisoned for robbery and something big goes missing in your vicinity, guess who the police will come talk to and ask where you were at the time of the robbery?

I am not comparing OP to a criminal and ex con. I am just saying your history and actions follow you around.

[cicadasTR]

There's another way of looking at it, that this playing the man not the ball tactic so many sites like to use on here is just bad faith.

[bachezy]

It looks like the mediator (Casino-Guru) can't help me because it's a sportsbook related issue.

https://casinoguru-en.com/coinplay-casino-the-player-s-account-got-blocked

As you may see, even to the mediator they decided to not give out what rules i broke, so yes, it looks like i won't see the balance i earned back.

So more people won't commit the same mistake as i did (deposit in this website) i decide to raise a flag, if you feel like i have been wrongfully banned, or at least, not given a concrete reason for a ban, i would appreacite your support.

The flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3129

[cicadasTR]

It looks like the mediator (Casino-Guru) can't help me because it's a sportsbook related issue.

https://casinoguru-en.com/coinplay-casino-the-player-s-account-got-blocked

As you may see, even to the mediator they decided to not give out what rules i broke, so yes, it looks like i won't see the balance i earned back.

So more people won't commit the same mistake as i did (deposit in this website) i decide to raise a flag, if you feel like i have been wrongfully banned, or at least, not given a concrete reason for a ban, i would appreacite your support.

The flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3129

Askgamblers, The Pogg or Casinomeister will take the case, they don't have that casino only rule. Don't give up yet.

[Pmalek]

If Casino Guru doesn't handle sports betting-related complaints, take your evidence and submit it to a different service with mediators. cicadasTR already mentioned some alternatives. Besides those, there is also GambleScope.
No neutral third-party (especially a DT member) can support your flag because it hasn't been proven that the casino has cheated you. If a 3rd-party mediator proves you didn't do anything wrong, that can change.