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March 09, 2023, 07:54:34 PM
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The biggest winner will be Russia, but only if they will manage to win the war. They will get morale boost, Ukrainian territory, people, remaining industry, sea ports  etc etc etc.


Russia will no longer win this war, and this is already obvious. As soon as the weather is good for the offensive of heavy equipment and Ukraine receives the military assistance promised from the West, which is already arriving, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will counterattack and in May-June will inflict a residual defeat on Russian troops, and will also liberate almost all of their occupied territories.

Despite the mobilization of more than 300,000 of its citizens since September and the general offensive in eastern Ukraine, Russia has not been able to achieve any success at the front in recent months. Moreover, the largest armored offensive by the Russians near Ugledar turned into a major defeat, where over 130 armored vehicles were destroyed (including 36 tanks), and elite units of the Russian airborne troops were defeated. Moreover, these units never reached the front line and were completely defeated on the way.
Since May last year, Russia has been attacking the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine to no avail. Almost the entire 50,000-strong Wagner PMC and the remnants of the 200,000-strong Russian invasion army in February last year ingloriously perished here. Russia is already running out of military equipment and now rarities from the Second World War are already getting to the front, and Russian troops are increasingly refusing to attack the fortified positions of the defenders of Ukraine. The Russian command has recently chosen the "meat rampart" tactic, when, without artillery preparation and armored vehicle support, it continuously attacks the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in small groups of 10-20 people. Probably in the hope that the barrels of their weapons will overheat in the Ukrainians or the cartridges will run out. Over the past 24 hours alone, more than a hundred attacks by the invaders have been repulsed, and their daily losses on the Ukrainian front often amount to more than a thousand people.

After such a defeat, Russia is unlikely to remain within its current borders. Five regions of Russia have already held an online referendum for secession from Russia and the formation of independent states. Further it will be even more interesting.

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March 09, 2023, 08:36:07 PM
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Obviously at least one politician. This isn't the only war in the world and in Russia vs Ukraine, it was Putin that "won", even if the war could be lost or won, which I do not know what the latest situation is but I am at least entirely certain that it wasn't as easy as Putin wanted it to be, and much harder than the 2014 version.

I still think that he won in the sense that he is keeping the full power to himself and we could all joke about "double shot to head suicide" as we all want, he is going to rule that nation until he dies thanks to moves like this and there is nothing the world could ever do. Hell, in a sense he won against Ukraine's president too, doubt that guy could get elected, even after all he did for his nation.

Yes, there is an opinion that political power is always more important than the economy. 

Politicians reason like this - what is the point that the economy in my country will be in excellent condition if the president (king, general secretary, etc.) is not me, but some other guy? 

Therefore, politicians are primarily concerned with maintaining their personal power, recruiting loyal supporters, and creating complex political coalitions. 

The growth of the welfare of citizens is not a priority goal for politicians.  Especially for politicians in an authoritarian country.

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March 09, 2023, 08:44:32 PM
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I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
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March 09, 2023, 08:59:07 PM
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War is one thing that no society should engage themselves into as its effect is devastating and unforgettable upon generations. When two or more countries are warring it is said that there are other countries that benefits in one way or the other from the war as it prolongs and intensifies, especially economical benefits is one of such.
 The ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine which has been on for almost a year now and the effects of the war between these two is not only on the two warring countries alone but has gone so far as affecting the economies of many countries of the world that have no involvement or interference in the said war. countries of Europe are experiencing a fall short in gas supply, while those of Africa and other continent suffer from economic downfall as a result of certain products and services that are no longer in-coming due to the war effect.
With this Russia Ukraine war which the effect is felt in almost all parts of the world directly and indirectly, I want to ask are there beneficiaries to this war and in what ways are they benefiting from it.

As I have said before, in the case of Russia and Ukraine, the winner, objectively speaking is who gets the territory of Ukraine after the smoke has cleared out and if Russia still bars the rest of the planet from its oil. These two things are very vital in declaring who wins this tussle. Let's not be poetic here saying no one wins in a war because let's face it, someone does. Otherwise wars wouldn't have been waged in the first place. I think I'm going off a tangent here but my point is that there's economy in war, and there's money to be made in businesses like these. Plus add to this the fact that this is a war waged for territory and resources too, so when all of this is said and done and a winner is objectively determined, the one who gets to keep the other's stuff while retaining theirs will win.
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March 09, 2023, 09:44:12 PM
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I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.


I have a strong opinion that you do not quite understand what is happening, cause and effect. I can show you photographic facts that captured the wild, inhuman, indescribable crimes committed by the Russian terrorist army on the territory of Ukraine. This is not a war in the classical sense of the confrontation between two opposing camps. This is a psychiatric problem for the Kremlin under-furrer, who for a long time concealed this terrorist attack under various excuses, but then openly declared that our goal is TO DESTROY UKRAINE. No, not opposition to NATO, not opposition to the West, or anything else. just-destroy UKRAINE! Because she allowed herself - not to surrender to his desire!

The economic component - you are also mistaken. Sanctions against Russia have not been introduced since 2014, when Russia attacked Ukraine! I repeat once again - Russia attacked Ukraine, not in 2022, but in 2014. In 2022, feeling impunity, Russia unleashed a TOTAL terrorist war against Ukraine. And only AFTER that, sanctions appeared ... I recommend once again studying the facts and the chronology of this international crime by Russia ....


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March 09, 2023, 10:44:09 PM
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War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.

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March 09, 2023, 11:26:24 PM
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Basically the businesses behind the arms production benefits the most because of the demand. But technically in general, no one benefits since the war effect directly hit the country's economy which was felt by so many country in the world, especially in Europe, Asia and even in US.

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March 10, 2023, 04:49:18 AM
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War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.

for me, war is the same as economics, government officials have of course calculated the gains and losses from the war, they issued capital in the form of weapons and soldiers, of course the next government must have more profit than that, maybe it can be in the form of a supply of resources nature or something. but the war made civilians especially suffer, even to the loss of their brethren. especially for colonized countries, of course, more suffering will be felt

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March 10, 2023, 09:19:25 AM
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Obviously at least one politician. This isn't the only war in the world and in Russia vs Ukraine, it was Putin that "won", even if the war could be lost or won, which I do not know what the latest situation is but I am at least entirely certain that it wasn't as easy as Putin wanted it to be, and much harder than the 2014 version.

I still think that he won in the sense that he is keeping the full power to himself and we could all joke about "double shot to head suicide" as we all want, he is going to rule that nation until he dies thanks to moves like this and there is nothing the world could ever do. Hell, in a sense he won against Ukraine's president too, doubt that guy could get elected, even after all he did for his nation.


You almost answered the question about the reasons for the war that the terrorist country unleashed, and now it is losing. POWER. Total power and enslavement of peoples, for the monopoly of obtaining super-profits, the realization of kleptomaniac and other fantasies. That is why the war began in 2014, when the people of Ukraine overthrew the power of kleptomaniacs and criminals (Yanukovych and company), which set an example for neighboring countries - primarily Russia. It is Putin who is terribly afraid of the loss of power, because for him, a change of power means real death! Why ? Because for his work, he caused so much trouble and grief to people that at the first opportunity he will be destroyed by the "bloodlines". It’s not for nothing that “the greatest politician in the world, the most beloved president of Russia” has been hiding in a bunker in recent years, if he arrives at some event, the city simply dies out, and people move 2-3 km away from the place of his presence Smiley Such is “love and honor "in his country with a population of which 98% vote for him Smiley

And if you go back to the topic of the topic - I'll add. If the US military-industrial complex really earns income by receiving government orders and receiving money from the budget, then in Russia the military-industrial complex is just a huge industry for plundering budgets. That is why all of them "unparalleled weapons" that were so promoted by the Russian military-industrial complex and Putin himself turned out to be fake, a dummy, incompetent models and window dressing. Because most of the allocated budget funds were simply stolen at the very top level. So one of the reasons for Russia's loss in the war against Ukraine is their corruption and kleptomania Smiley

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March 10, 2023, 01:21:16 PM
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If we're gonna talk about economy, no one get any benefits from war. The production of weapons like guns, bullets, missiles, tanks, jet fighters, helicopters, warships, are very expensive that most of the economic budget are being used. Also, the damage of war is the worst, everyone could be affected in the whole world if it's gonna be a nuclear war and more. Whoever wins, it doesn't matter at all, because everything will be destroyed.

War is all about abusing of political power and greediness.
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Perhaps there is no need to judge geopolitically, but when there is a war - typically the Russia-Ukraine war, the long-term macroeconomic interests, the position of the country, the polarization of the world will more or less  target of many other countries.  Specifically in terms of defense weapons, outstanding weapons will be produced and sold to many other countries, bringing great profits to these industries.  Weapon components have also increased in price… I'm not sure that the US and China will be the winners in many respects.  Countries directly in conflict like Russia and Ukraine are absolutely the ones who suffer more, more painfully.
The rest is affected by economic recession due to war, energy, food prices increase due to lack of supply/production.  Separation, isolation and the people living must soak in pain.

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March 10, 2023, 02:39:00 PM
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War is a big and serious disaster, a lot of infrastructure such as bridges, roads, public facilities, airports and others are damaged and even destroyed so that when the war ends many countries are in debt to build infrastructure, of course the countries that lose in the war will suffer greatly and it will take tens of years to recover, but there are those who benefit from war, namely countries that produce weapons, foodstuffs and others.
In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.


War broke out because of the competition for benefits, so when two countries fight with each other, there will be one country to win, which is the country that benefits. If war does not bring benefits, then no country needs war because it will cause damage in all aspects of the country.

We don't need war, but politicians and arms dealers need war to bring them profits as well as power. Without war, politicians cannot consolidate their power.

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March 10, 2023, 03:05:11 PM
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Wars, as always, can create opportunities for some people or countries. However, these opportunities are often limited in the long run and the devastating effects of war are often outweighed by the economic and human losses felt around the world.

The Russia-Ukraine war may have created opportunities for some companies and countries. For example, some defense industry companies may profit from selling arms and other defense equipment to the warring parties. Also, some countries may find opportunities in this regard, as they are forced to reduce their gas purchases from Russia and turn to alternative energy sources.
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March 10, 2023, 03:36:44 PM
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Only certain countries have benefited from the war between Russia and Ukraine, including the USA, which supplied their war equipment. The rest of the countries have experienced economic losses and a crisis of natural resources due to a lack of supplies from importing countries.

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March 10, 2023, 04:14:13 PM
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Bitcoin holders also get the benefit of this war isn't? where the Bitcoin price was slightly drop and it's make people who have cash or stable coin can buy the dip.

Anything beside war will have both advantage and disadvantage, it just depends on your side. Just like this war, are you a Russian? a Ukrainian? or country who sell weapons? Both Russia and Ukraine get the disadvantages, while country who sell weapons are get a lot advantages.

Bitcoin has been in the slump for the past year despite the instability the war causes.

The fact is that Bitcoin is tied to the global economy such that a "dip" in the economic productivity means a dip in crypto prices across the board. Nobody actually wins in war, and that includes crypto users. Even the military industrial complex isn't actually winning long term. Short term weapons contracts might ensure some level of immediate profitability. That doesn't mean the global economic instability wouldn't affect them either.
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March 10, 2023, 06:08:14 PM
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Wars, as always, can create opportunities for some people or countries. However, these opportunities are often limited in the long run and the devastating effects of war are often outweighed by the economic and human losses felt around the world.

The Russia-Ukraine war may have created opportunities for some companies and countries. For example, some defense industry companies may profit from selling arms and other defense equipment to the warring parties. Also, some countries may find opportunities in this regard, as they are forced to reduce their gas purchases from Russia and turn to alternative energy sources.
I am not well versed in Ukraine and Russia war and I can't talk about that. But I remember clearly about USA vs Iraq war, one that was basically as terrible as it gets, hundreds of thousands of people dead, and a whole nation still not recovered because of the war.

Because America wanted to get rid of a dictator, if that was the only reason, they would have gone there, get the dictator, and leave. However, they stayed and derailed the whole nation and now people are starving and basically living in confusion there. Meanwhile, warhawks of USA made tens of billions of dollars from it, they just sold the trillion dollar war to congress and made a killing off it as well.
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March 10, 2023, 06:40:37 PM
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I personally judged it from the war between the two countries, Russia. Even though it was battered by many European sanctions, Russia was still able to reduce the inflation rate for 7 months in a row. This means that Russia also benefits. Then America is the most profitable from the sale of weapons and energy sources to Europe. The biggest loser is Ukraine. Really have to cry, drenched in blood and crying blood.
Russia is bad because it has been fighting Ukraine, but the US and its Alliance are in fact much worse because in all aspects they are very selfish.
Whether Russia was able to reduce the inflation rate or sanctions, that's not the point here.what I am after right now is for the war to stop as soon as possible so that the people of ukta9can go back to there country and build it again. This war had caused a lots of suffering for the people of Ukraine and the entire world. I am still witching and praying that this war is going to end one.

 The NATO are not even planning to end the war so that things are going to come back to normal. We need pea e in the world and how we are going to end it is by negotiating on how to stop the war.









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March 10, 2023, 08:21:15 PM
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Those who produce and sell weapons always benefit the most from war, because during wars the demand for weapons increases. The data show that in just one year, Ukraine consumed as much specific artillery ammunition as the US otherwise produces in even 5 years - and now, of course, production must be significantly increased in order to satisfy the demand to some extent.

Another industry that profits are those that produce medical supplies, especially those used on the battlefield such as bandages, infusions, painkillers and the like. In addition, the war creates thousands of disabled people who need prostheses and various other medical aids.

For most people, war means death, serious injuries, loss of apartments, houses, cars and more or less serious psychological consequences in the form of post-traumatic stress. However, for some it is really a time of great profit - and in my area there is a saying that says "war is a war for someone, and a brother for someone else".
You are right on this mate. The only people who benefit when there is war is the one who provide the weapons and those who provide medical kits to cure the injured people. Other than that, the rest of the people do not benefit at all but end up being threatened and abused. And maybe, the party who initiate the war first might be somehow celebrating its victory, even though numbers of their citizens are also being injured.

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March 10, 2023, 10:18:07 PM
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Is there any benefit in war than destabilizing the economy and lots worth of life and properties rendering them into waste, we could go back to the history in seing how the past experience with war look like for those that never had any before, it's something not worth taking about because this is life we are talking about going on waste, blood shed and many infiltration of pains and hunger on fellow human beings, this is were we see a practical example of having ban on economical activities on certain location in form of embargo, if we are to ask those that witnessed it before, all they tell is there's no benefit in making war.

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March 11, 2023, 08:58:22 AM
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In fact, it is certain that whoever is in war will not benefit, it is certain that he will experience losses that will be prolonged and will disrupt the country's economy. winning or losing is the same as losing, because everything is sacrificed for the sake of the ego of the war, which will obviously have an impact on all existing activities.
completely agree that from the war the beneficiaries are those who make things worse by providing weapons and if they need more they have to pay and not yet with the need for food and clothing.
so war really doesn't have a good effect, so avoid war as long as the peace door can still be run.
for me, war is the same as economics, government officials have of course calculated the gains and losses from the war, they issued capital in the form of weapons and soldiers, of course the next government must have more profit than that, maybe it can be in the form of a supply of resources nature or something. but the war made civilians especially suffer, even to the loss of their brethren. especially for colonized countries, of course, more suffering will be felt
You mean to say part of the economic issue? Governments can sometimes prepare a weapon in case there is an unexpected war that will spark. Some like Russia are doing it for the gain and maybe you are right that they already have done some calculations. Capital or money is issued on different things but if they can sell weapons and supply soldiers, they still can get money out of it.

Wars are devastating to the country's economy and mostly innocent people are affected with it. That is why many of us are against it and we hate those selfish governments who can only think about their selves. They can be punished thru sanctions but we people are still affected with it.
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