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March 23, 2023, 08:28:47 PM
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The truth is none of us really know.  I know there are some sites/games that they say are provably fair, but I'm still not so sure that is the case.  It's the same thing when you go to visit casinos in person whether that's at some place like Las Vegas or Lake Tahoe.  I just don't think there's truly any way for us to know if the games we're playing are actually not cheating us.  I would lean toward the latter, that they are..but I of course have no proof of this.

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March 23, 2023, 08:34:28 PM
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What do you think about casino site algorithms?  Are they cheating with us?
Cases like this happen in all casino sites not only Blackjack & Dice, for reputable casinos it's impossible to cheat in this way, but in cases like you describe I think it's just a matter of luck. Simply put you are against the system, so it could be that you are unlucky on the bet or the card you have is not the card needed to win the bet.

Regarding large and small bets, they are basically the same, you will get more curious and try to play many times even if you lose, that's why most people say gambling is closely related to addiction, especially if someone can't control it and this will only make it worse.

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March 23, 2023, 08:47:01 PM
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The truth is none of us really know.  I know there are some sites/games that they say are provably fair, but I'm still not so sure that is the case.  It's the same thing when you go to visit casinos in person whether that's at some place like Las Vegas or Lake Tahoe.  I just don't think there's truly any way for us to know if the games we're playing are actually not cheating us.  I would lean toward the latter, that they are..but I of course have no proof of this.
If there's a proof then for sure you would be throwing up some accusations which is likely for someone to do so.THere's no way we could really be able to prove out that they are really scamming us but one things for sure that we do always lose in the end specially into those people who do gamble up on long sessions which the house would be always having the advantage.This is why when we do gamble then its better to stick out
into those reputable places or known ones which you can somewhat assure that you are dealing with something that scamming out their users.There might be some possible alterations or non-fair acts
but there's no way that we could be able to prove it out.

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March 23, 2023, 08:54:02 PM
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Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice.  I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice.  Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times.  In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues.  I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms?  Are they cheating with us?

It depends on which site you are gambling on and if that site is using provably fair algorithm where you can verify the output yourself.
If they are not doing it then there are chances that the site might be cheating you.
How did you lose all the $1k in just one day. At least you should have played with 25% of the amount and kept the rest for other days.
Sometimes it's just about the luck. It work one day and it might not on others.
With 25% amount you could have tried your luck on 4 days and go to know if the site is really cheating you or not.
Betting all in is never advisable if you can’t afford to lose it, as gambling never guarantees you to win in the end. Maybe cheating is really possible in some casinos but we can’t really tell as to how it can be done as most of the casino these days have already adopted a provably fair games that will allow the players to verify the fairness of their bets. So it’s hard to tell if there is really cheating or it’s only you who have suspected that there’s any. However, if you gamble responsibly at the beginning, you will never experience a huge loss.

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March 23, 2023, 09:21:46 PM
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Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice.  I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice.  Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times.  In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues.  I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms?  Are they cheating with us?
I am not sure where you play but that sounds like a confirmation bias as you are vague on the stats and haven't included any data. Not that sampling wouldn't be big enough to jump any conclusions anyway.

If a game would be rigged, it would be noticed by ton of players and whales wouldn't just play that game if they were losing all the time, so it wouldn't make any sense for casino to implement such a cheat system. Also casinos get audited and that kind of anomaly would show up in total stats.

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March 23, 2023, 09:25:00 PM
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I doubt both live Blakcjack and the provably fair version are rigged, the provably fairness lets you confirm the bet results aka cards with simple verify tools. Regarding live game shows, audits have published the results public and you can check how fair these games are on specific platforms, IIRC. In provably fair Blackjack games, bet amount has no influence over the bet result so you will get same cards on $10k or $0 bets.

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March 23, 2023, 09:33:38 PM
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Losing doesn't mean the site is cheating, this is how gambling works and probably you made a mistake with your bet or its really a bad day for you. This is gambling, losing are more possible than winning and this is not cheating, gambling is a business so expect that you will not always win. If you are using the best site, you can have a peace of mind about its fairness since it is already a proven site, what you can do is try to know if the site is being fair or have any issues, if you find any better to leave that site and look for a good one.
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March 23, 2023, 09:36:53 PM
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But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms?  Are they cheating with us?

I think you are just unlucky with your draws. Again, this is gambling and any outcome is possible given the circumstances of what you are betting. If you have noticed this kind of pattern on your bets, then why continue to bet huge amounts in the first place? In addition, if you suspect that an online casino is allegedly "cheating", then post all the necessary proof to substantiate your claim.

Lastly, I also want to point out that any issues with a certain gambling website should be fixed by simply switching to another online casino. There are lots of online casinos available and some offer better bonuses/rewards as compared to the others.

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Casino gambling algorithms are set up so that the casino will always have an advantage over the players, so the casino owners do not even need to cheat to make money. Gamblers are well aware of this but still gamble. Also, the algorithm has an incentive task - a large but fairly rare winnings, which entice us to play again and again.

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March 23, 2023, 09:53:39 PM
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Losing doesn't mean the site is cheating, this is how gambling works and probably you made a mistake with your bet or its really a bad day for you. This is gambling, losing are more possible than winning and this is not cheating, gambling is a business so expect that you will not always win. If you are using the best site, you can have a peace of mind about its fairness since it is already a proven site, what you can do is try to know if the site is being fair or have any issues, if you find any better to leave that site and look for a good one.
We can't tell what exactly is happening and what sites or platform the OP been using but it all depends on what algorithm or codes that casino have been using. So what if they actually do add some stuff on the codes everytime you bet large amount the higher the chances their platform will win? Ever think about that before?

If it's a legit or reputable casino perhaps this won't be a problem to OP but who knows? Casinos/gambling is designed to actually make the owner win most of the time and not the other way around.

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March 23, 2023, 09:56:40 PM
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Losing doesn't mean the site is cheating, this is how gambling works and probably you made a mistake with your bet or its really a bad day for you. This is gambling, losing are more possible than winning and this is not cheating, gambling is a business so expect that you will not always win. If you are using the best site, you can have a peace of mind about its fairness since it is already a proven site, what you can do is try to know if the site is being fair or have any issues, if you find any better to leave that site and look for a good one.
We can't tell what exactly is happening and what sites or platform the OP been using but it all depends on what algorithm or codes that casino have been using. So what if they actually do add some stuff on the codes everytime you bet large amount the higher the chances their platform will win? Ever think about that before?

If it's a legit or reputable casino perhaps this won't be a problem to OP but who knows? Casinos/gambling is designed to actually make the owner win most of the time and not the other way around.

The very reason why it is always advisable to play on a reputable casino.
Because if they are known to be one, they won't make a mistake of cheating their players.
As they will be discovered by any of their players. And if it is out in the community, their business is screwed.
There are some silent users who will do the work of investigating the casino, and they will only disclose it once they found the loophole inside.
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March 23, 2023, 10:31:15 PM
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Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice.  I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice.  Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times.  In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues.  I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms?  Are they cheating with us?
If you have it since evening that they are cheating with you.  Then you can play live casino from stake.com where your favorite Blackjack is also available. There you will see the dealer live and several other gamblers like you will be playing together at the same table as you.  So in this case you don't have to play against any system. In this case it is unlikely that you will have any doubts that they are cheating with you. Yes but there is no way to avoid that when you play against a system that casino site can cheat you through their complex algorithm or some secret coding.


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March 23, 2023, 10:46:18 PM
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It's not anything too different from the normal happenings..
I seemed to have observed that too, along time ago...when gamblers will plece a stake with say - 10k and the outcome might be 4700 - even though the game was a win....That's usually as a result of the combos, then it's also the time for the casinos to make alot of profits even when you keep winning.
On the other hand, I think it's manually controlled atimes (or atleast it's programmed not to work too much in favor of the bettors, that's a STOPLOSS function) to avoid too much loss; we all know that in any business, if you have 'em losses More, then you're actually losing woefully.

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March 23, 2023, 10:46:40 PM
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Losing doesn't mean the site is cheating, this is how gambling works and probably you made a mistake with your bet or its really a bad day for you. This is gambling, losing are more possible than winning and this is not cheating, gambling is a business so expect that you will not always win. If you are using the best site, you can have a peace of mind about its fairness since it is already a proven site, what you can do is try to know if the site is being fair or have any issues, if you find any better to leave that site and look for a good one.
We can't tell what exactly is happening and what sites or platform the OP been using but it all depends on what algorithm or codes that casino have been using. So what if they actually do add some stuff on the codes everytime you bet large amount the higher the chances their platform will win? Ever think about that before?

If it's a legit or reputable casino perhaps this won't be a problem to OP but who knows? Casinos/gambling is designed to actually make the owner win most of the time and not the other way around.

The very reason why it is always advisable to play on a reputable casino.
Because if they are known to be one, they won't make a mistake of cheating their players.
As they will be discovered by any of their players. And if it is out in the community, their business is screwed.
There are some silent users who will do the work of investigating the casino, and they will only disclose it once they found the loophole inside.
Why people cant just stick out on reputable casinos rather than on sticking into those new ones or not so popular? People do end up on being scammed or really make unfair losses due into those
curiosity on testing out those sites.They arent automatically considered to be shady but it would be always advisable that you should really be that sticking into known ones.
We cant really make out conclusions if casinos are cheating on us or really that totally fair but you would really be not minding on things if you do just just simply stick
out on what are those current popular places.

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March 23, 2023, 10:59:47 PM
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The truth is none of us really know.  I know there are some sites/games that they say are provably fair, but I'm still not so sure that is the case.  It's the same thing when you go to visit casinos in person whether that's at some place like Las Vegas or Lake Tahoe.  I just don't think there's truly any way for us to know if the games we're playing are actually not cheating us.  I would lean toward the latter, that they are..but I of course have no proof of this.

Well the good trusted gambling sites will always give you proof that the games are provably fair and you can check them at their sites. We should only play at sites where we are sure the games are provably fair. In case you play at a casino where you have doubt of provably fair games, you are likely to lose all your money.

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Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice.  I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice.  Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times.  In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues.  I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms?  Are they cheating with us?

I know the feeling mate, when we lost big we always think that we are getting cheated or we just made a bad decision that why we lost our money. Not sure though, it is live betting with a dealer in BlackJack? Not blaming you or something, because I also fall for this, like betting small and then have a good win, but increasing my bet? bad decision. So most of the time specially if my bankroll is getting smaller, I will go back to that small bets again and hope that my luck will return and at least get my capital back + some winnings. That has been my strategy though in the last couple of days, but it is a slot machine games. Same experience, small bets = good win, bigger bets = bad run. So what do I do?, go back to betting small.

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The truth is none of us really know.  I know there are some sites/games that they say are provably fair, but I'm still not so sure that is the case.  It's the same thing when you go to visit casinos in person whether that's at some place like Las Vegas or Lake Tahoe.  I just don't think there's truly any way for us to know if the games we're playing are actually not cheating us.  I would lean toward the latter, that they are..but I of course have no proof of this.

And since no way to really knows the truth about being fair, what we need to rely on is the site's reputation.

Not saying these reputable sites won't cheat but at least these big sites really care for their business not to be ruined by some cheating issues.

The reason why I never consider playing on a new site until such time that they are able to establish some good reviews.
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I think everyone who bet always had that feeling in his mind, for that a lot of players always play big, i know you have to have the money to do so but with this thinking also comes another.

Imagine you make a bet in crash and that bet reach x5000 if you put only 10c always in your head you are gonna think, "imagine/look if i was put 10 dollars".

But yes i also think in someway if its a trash/shady casino maybe they can know how much you bet and make some strange movements.

In fact we also have to think the other way, are you gonna still paying in a casino who always make you lose big? I dont think so, so its not so easy.

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Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice.  I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice.  Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times.  In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues.  I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms?  Are they cheating with us?

I think you're just unlucky.
I don't know which casinos you're playing at, because you didn't mention it, but if you're going to play at respected casinos with a good reputation, I think it's sooo hard for them to rob you because they run the risk of having their reputation tarnished and losing much more money than if they were going to play legally without robbing players.
Cassionos are highly profitable for website owners, I see no reason for them to rip you off.

Take a test, always betting similar amounts and write down your bets, gains and losses. Gradually increase this value and see if the gain pattern holds.

Important! you need to take a long sampling period as short bets can be very volatile.

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March 24, 2023, 04:33:11 AM
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I think everyone who bet always had that feeling in his mind, for that a lot of players always play big, i know you have to have the money to do so but with this thinking also comes another.

Imagine you make a bet in crash and that bet reach x5000 if you put only 10c always in your head you are gonna think, "imagine/look if i was put 10 dollars".

But yes i also think in someway if its a trash/shady casino maybe they can know how much you bet and make some strange movements.

In fact we also have to think the other way, are you gonna still paying in a casino who always make you lose big? I dont think so, so its not so easy.
As long as the casino is reputable, we don't have to worry if the casino wants to cheat its members.
The casino will always maintain its reputation and try to be transparent with everything not to arouse suspicion in its members.
We have no proof of this and it's difficult to prove so we can only accept it.
And if we want to try a new casino, we should be very careful because we don't know what the casino will become.
But I think it's true that some casinos intend to cheat their members and hopefully we will never experience that.
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