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March 25, 2023, 09:20:28 AM
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Pastors should no longer think about worldly matters and focus on providing services to the people only. But if a priest gambles because he wants to earn a lot of money, it is a mistake because why should he gamble? Isn't that forbidden in religion? Maybe there needs to be a discussion between the priest and the people and the people involved in that place so they can find out why the priest is gambling.

But if someone wants to make a living from gambling, they need to think about it often because it is not easy or even impossible, especially if they don't have the skills and abilities to bet. Say they want to make a living from sports betting but can't analyze and find valid info. Can they win? Certainly not.

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March 25, 2023, 09:31:36 AM
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Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

If this story you provide is true then I'm sorry to disappoint you that the pastor in question is not genuine.

I'm sure the reason he opened his own ministry in the first place is to make money through like from his members offering and also their tithes, not because of the messages that he can deliver to the people.
And right now in our society we have so many people like this disguising themselves as Many of God or pastor but in reality all they want is the goodies that comes with that title, and they have managed to put doubts in the mind of those that are believers of the religion.

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March 25, 2023, 09:33:25 AM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

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https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

Pastors who gamble are not men of God. A real man of God would never get close to gambling because gambling is a sin. Some religions see nothing wrong with gambling, but the majority of them do.

If he can also quit his ministry because he won a lot of money, it indicates that he started that ministry to earn some money, just like many pastors in churches today who are mostly fake, and the fastest way to earn money is through religion, deceiving people by using God's name and corrupting their minds.

Most pastors chant the name of God for their own selfish gain, brainwashing people into fearing God, and exchanging money and fortune for their own selfish gain.
For me, it's challenging to discern if a gambling pastor is truly a servant of God or not. We're all humans at the end of the day, with imperfections and enticements. Scripture doesn't expressly forbid gambling, but it cautions against the love of money, often at the heart of the gamble. Addiction to gambling is a genuine concern, causing financial disaster and graver consequences, leading many spiritual leaders to counsel against it.

Concerning pastors leaving their ministry after hitting it big, it boils down to personal conviction. Some might feel that a windfall clashes with their faith or could incite a conflict of interest. Others may persist in their ministry and give a slice of their winnings to philanthropic pursuits. Ultimately, the choice lies with the person.

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March 25, 2023, 09:46:00 AM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?
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From what I see, that Ugandan pastor, David Ochieng, wasn't much of a religious person. Since he has shut down his church right after winning a big amount of money, it is obvious that the church was a source of money for him, and nothing else.

Whether religious leaders should gamble or not, it depends on their religion. If they preach about gambling being a sin, then maybe they shouldn't. But that's in theory. In reality it is much more complicated than that.

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March 25, 2023, 10:00:23 AM
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Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet
From all indication that tells you that the so-called pastor didn't receive a divine call to establish his ministry or church for propagation of the gospel rather his ministry was opened to purposely for financial rewards, of course after hitting a jackpot of 100million shillings he closed down his church, in the first place a pastor shouldn't involve in gambling because he will often preach against that on the pulpit then why indulging in something that is a sin? of course the bible prophecy is coming to past as regards many fake pastors and prophets will mislead alot of people.

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March 25, 2023, 10:10:32 AM
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The fact remains that every man needs money and craves for a better life, regardless of whether he is a servant of God or not.

When people talk about servant of God, it makes me feel as though we want them to be nonhuman, they're just like us.

Being a servant of God doesn't mean you it's forbidden to dream of a better life, they deserve all the good things we all strive to achieve.

This Pastor who left his ministry for such a big amount of money, may have a good reason for doing so, but let's not jump right to conclusions.

There are many other pastors like him that do evil things to make money, if all this man did was gamble I don't see anything wrong here, and if it's wrong may God forgive us all.

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March 25, 2023, 02:53:28 PM
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It will not be easy to make a living through gambling because many people have tried it but failed halfway.

If someone is a religious leader, he is not allowed to gamble because religion forbids someone from gambling. But when greed comes to that person, anything can happen, including the religious leader who changes his attitude by closing his ministry. And it depends on his confidence not to play gambling like other people.

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March 25, 2023, 03:43:06 PM
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Many people make their living through gambling and that doesn't guarantee that they have finds it a means for total survival on a living because gambling jobs varies from each other while some basically depends on the bet they stake in gambling for sustainance, as in his own case this may be his first of its kind to experience winning a huge amount but leaving the profession he has be doing is not right to be kindid.


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March 25, 2023, 04:02:05 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

this is a subject that can be interpreted in many ways, but in most cases people are right when they tell others to distance themselves from gambling, the reason is simple: few people make money from gambling, most people lose money, sell assets and are admitted to addiction rehabilitation clinics

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry.


This attitude of the pastor can be seen in two ways:

1 - maybe the pastor was only a pastor because he needed to earn money and now that he has money he no longer needs to be a pastor to live on donations from believers, I am not here criticizing religion, these are things that we all see every day, we all know that many pastors keep posting videos where they appear doing miracles, maybe the pastor now that he has money is feeling remorseful and decided to stop it

2 - maybe the pastor saw that there are many believers and that as he won money in gambling, then the believers can start copying him and they will lose money, so the pastor decided to close the church for the good of his believers

This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

priests, pastors and all religious leaders are people, they have the right to do whatever they want with their private lives, as long as they don't induce believers to play too

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March 25, 2023, 04:07:08 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

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https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet
People have different opinions on gambling, and when it comes to religious leaders, it can be a more sensitive topic. The pastor also has a different opinion (or his opinion changed after gambling and winning, who knows...) and when he won, he decided to no longer be a pastor and shut down his church. The pastor here made a personal choice, and it might not necessarily reflect the stance of his entire religious community. As for the ethical and moral implications of gambling, it can vary depending on one's beliefs and values. Some might think gambling is morally wrong, others might think that it is fine to gamble as long as they aren't hurting anyone.

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This is a sad incident, really, imagine a recognized leader of a religious group was tempted by money and left his members because he won a lot of money gambling. He also ruined his personality and reputation and shamed their God that they believed in.

       Although that's his freedom, but everything we do, whether it's good or bad, we'll pay for it in the last time when we stand before God, that's why the pastor who won the gamble didn't think about it because he was blinded and became wild with money.

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March 25, 2023, 07:28:33 PM
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This is a sad incident, really, imagine a recognized leader of a religious group was tempted by money and left his members because he won a lot of money gambling. He also ruined his personality and reputation and shamed their God that they believed in.

       Although that's his freedom, but everything we do, whether it's good or bad, we'll pay for it in the last time when we stand before God, that's why the pastor who won the gamble didn't think about it because he was blinded and became wild with money.
In addition to the cases above, I have read several media reports that religious leaders are not always right and cannot be used as role models in life from the perspective of their behavior even though they convey God's verses to others, but their mistakes are in personal behavior to be biased and ignore religious prohibitions, Pastor's Case above can be a lesson for all of us that they are also ordinary humans who can change at any time, but unfortunately they have chosen the path of evil because of the influence of gambling addiction to earn money.
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March 25, 2023, 07:59:19 PM
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As I said in my previous post, that there will be lots of comments or responses from the community. I try to read from page one, until the next page. the answer is very varied. but in fact, gambling will never be separated from human life. from a business standpoint, it is very profitable, from a historical point of view, gambling has been discovered since ancient China.

Referring to the contents of the topic of this thread, whether gambling can be used as a job to make a living. the answer is, it depends. what kind of gambling does someone want to get into, what potential does someone have, insight, skill, knowledge, luck.  all of them become one unit that must be owned by someone who wants to work professionally in gambling. but the question is, are there people who have succeeded in making a living from gambling. the answer is unknown. if the OP wants to try it, go ahead and good luck.

So, let's discuss from the opening side of the religion that is the subject of our discussion. the answer is as I said before. that in fact, gambling at this time is not something that is taboo. even so, in some religious teachings gambling is something that is prohibited, maybe in some other beliefs, gambling is not prohibited but there are rules that explain it that a religious leader cannot do something that does not set a good example for his followers.

Apart from all that, the essence that I got from this thread is. that as a human being, whatever his profession, position, title, even if someone is a religious leader. will never be separated from everything that is fun, or you could say worldly pleasures. yes it makes no difference as we think, that gambling is a hobby.

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March 25, 2023, 08:05:52 PM
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This is a sad incident, really, imagine a recognized leader of a religious group was tempted by money and left his members because he won a lot of money gambling. He also ruined his personality and reputation and shamed their God that they believed in.

       Although that's his freedom, but everything we do, whether it's good or bad, we'll pay for it in the last time when we stand before God, that's why the pastor who won the gamble didn't think about it because he was blinded and became wild with money.
Well, personally, I just feel he was tempted, but unfortunately, he failed.
He said it that he was not called, but the greed of things of life pushed him to becoming a pastor, I feel that money was God's way of giving him an opportunity to become even stronger in the ministry and hold God even more tighter, but unfortunately, he left God completely to join the world..

One thing that is certain is that he eventually will keep gambling and betting, even more than before since he now has money, and the way the whole money will disappear will shock him, some people never learn, until they are forced to learn the hard way.

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March 25, 2023, 08:21:09 PM
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This is a sad incident, really, imagine a recognized leader of a religious group was tempted by money and left his members because he won a lot of money gambling. He also ruined his personality and reputation and shamed their God that they believed in.

       Although that's his freedom, but everything we do, whether it's good or bad, we'll pay for it in the last time when we stand before God, that's why the pastor who won the gamble didn't think about it because he was blinded and became wild with money.

It is interesting how anyone would react to this news depending on their political and religious beliefs.
Someone who does not believe in anything, would say this is good for the person and nothing wrong happened, while if we keep in mind the religious context, we can talk about temptations and failure to hold to his duties.

But, if you asked me, this story could have ended way worse if that religious leader became addicted to gambling/betting and spent the money of the church completely into those vices. At least, he decided to retire form his service and letting know his community he is not suitable for it, before something worse could happen. 

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March 25, 2023, 08:24:27 PM
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It will not be easy to make a living through gambling because many people have tried it but failed halfway.

If someone is a religious leader, he is not allowed to gamble because religion forbids someone from gambling. But when greed comes to that person, anything can happen, including the religious leader who changes his attitude by closing his ministry. And it depends on his confidence not to play gambling like other people.
^ He is free whatever he wants but because of his position as a religious leader that is difficult to speak even for all religious leaders, it is not uncommon for some individuals who hold religious positions to gamble. They know at the very first place that gambling may conflict with the principles and beliefs that they preach to their congregations. Probably that is the reason the Pastor quit his position because it becomes a conflict with his current position and more worst when people know it.
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It is a matter of your moral compass. I've seen a lot of religious folks engage in a lot of immoral activities and still attend church regularly. They preach about the teachings of God and does it so in a very condescending manner, as if they are not doing something wrong. Personally, I don't have any problems against these church leaders engaging in these kinds of activities. After all, they don't influence me in any way but those whom they stand up to are the ones that should really think about whether they'll still follow the church leader or not.

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March 25, 2023, 09:02:35 PM
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When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

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https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

Pastors who gamble are not men of God. A real man of God would never get close to gambling because gambling is a sin. Some religions see nothing wrong with gambling, but the majority of them do.

If he can also quit his ministry because he won a lot of money, it indicates that he started that ministry to earn some money, just like many pastors in churches today who are mostly fake, and the fastest way to earn money is through religion, deceiving people by using God's name and corrupting their minds.

Most pastors chant the name of God for their own selfish gain, brainwashing people into fearing God, and exchanging money and fortune for their own selfish gain.

Not only that most pastors and preachers often use the bible verses in order to get donations from people.  They often preaches about giving and tithes so that they can easily collect funds to support their living.  I am not against such teachings if the religious leader is really sincere and he has really has the calling of God to be His messenger.  Unlike the guy who is stated in this thread.  That he create a religious group in order to support his living and is not actually has the calling.  This guy action is obviously a fraud.  I wonder if there is a law that can be use to sue this person and penalized him of his evil deeds.


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It is a matter of your moral compass. I've seen a lot of religious folks engage in a lot of immoral activities and still attend church regularly. They preach about the teachings of God and does it so in a very condescending manner, as if they are not doing something wrong. Personally, I don't have any problems against these church leaders engaging in these kinds of activities. After all, they don't influence me in any way but those whom they stand up to are the ones that should really think about whether they'll still follow the church leader or not.

Yes, they don't affect you, me, but they do affect the immature minds of teenagers and people who tend to believe everything, especially people who hold public office, such as police officers, pastors, politicians, etc. The more such people mislead the population, the sillier the population will become, which is the road to bank slavery, poverty, and uneducation.

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It is a matter of your moral compass. I've seen a lot of religious folks engage in a lot of immoral activities and still attend church regularly. They preach about the teachings of God and does it so in a very condescending manner, as if they are not doing something wrong. Personally, I don't have any problems against these church leaders engaging in these kinds of activities. After all, they don't influence me in any way but those whom they stand up to are the ones that should really think about whether they'll still follow the church leader or not.
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