Coinplay CONFISCATING 291mbtc of fair NBA winnings

[T3PR00T]

let's wait for askgamblers ruling, and hope they are honest in their ruling too.
In all, Goodluck.

You did not read any update at all  
No wonder

[Woodie]

This is quite unfortunate especially that they have invested quite a bit in growing their reputation around the forum only to allow this to dent what they have built, sad to be honest...but there is still time to correct this

But looking at what OP has posted this doest really look lile arbitrage, especially that the player on the second time of playing had bet on several games on same league on same day  rules out arbitrage for me...Btw betting on singles is more profitable than making accumulators and this might have been the OPs strategy, nothing out of the extraordinary!

I wonder what is the definition of arbitrage betting according to coinplay 

[Erumo]

Is it possible that a good lawyer can help to solve that case? Or it is casinos privilege take money with impunity while hiding behind ToS ?

[GekkeBelg]

Its rather unfortunate that this has to happen to you @op, I am also an active gambler, I registered an account on coinplay when they first announced them self one this forum through their signature campaign, I intended playing on this casino, but I change my mind after some member of this community discovered that the coinplay casino had some proven links with 1xbit/1xbet, some even alleged that it is possible that this casino(coinplay) was being managed by officials of 1xbit/1xbet secretly, weeks after, the coinplay team came out to explain that they had no link with 1xbit, that the resemblance of their Casino to 1xbit was due to the fact that they used 1xbit script when building coinplay, I wasn't convinced by this, as I though within myself, "amongst all the script available online, some from reputable casino, why did they choose that of 1xbit?", because of this, I further decided to avoid coinplay..

And from all playing out already, it's like the decision I made to avoid coinplay was a good one after all, I am happy that askgamblers will be handling the case, but this does not guarantee anything, let's wait for askgamblers ruling, and hope they are honest in their ruling too.
In all, Goodluck.

EDIT: I failed to read the later part of the thread, didn't know there's a ruling already 

Yes, they ruled in my favour (although technically it's called "unresolved" when one of the 2 parties does not respond anymore) and lowered the rating of Coinplay severely, but now they don't pay up. They have stayed silent for a week already.

[Debra M]

As an independent user, I must say that I think you have a horrible take.

This isn't blackmail.  Personally I think he should just open the flag, but that's his decision and if he wants to give them some time to consider paying him first, there's nothing wrong with that.  It's not like he's making shit up and threatening them privately.  And the compromise already happened.  He agreed to let a third party review the situation and agreed to honor the decision.  

The decision was made in his favor.  Now the Coinplay is ghosting him.

Also, there's nothing wrong with signing up for however many sportsbooks/casinos you want.  I've likely signed up for closer to 100 gambling sites over the past 15 years, maybe more, always looking to find the best options out there.  This is a ridiculous reason to not trust someone.  

I appreciate your perspective on the matter. However, I still believe that using threats to resolve the issue can be counterproductive.

As for signing up for multiple sportsbooks, I agree that exploring different options is normal for most users. However, it's essential to respect each platform's terms and conditions to maintain a fair and trustworthy gambling environment for all.

Interestingly, you're promoting Sportsbet.io, which has had its share of similar scam accusations in reviews. It's crucial to consider all aspects of a situation before taking a firm stance, as each platform and user experience may differ.

[GekkeBelg]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5422846.msg62084872#msg62084872

Hello all, see this topic (above) for more info. User Royse777 was nice enough to pause/stop the signature campaign until this case is solved. This is another sign that most people are on my side and that Coinplay cannot get away with this behaviour.
I have offered Coinplay (both via that post and via a PM) a solution to pay me out according to average market odds on my bets. This is not how it should have gone but I am willing to accept this as a solution. Let's see how they respond. If they don't respond then the only way to go is a complaint with the Antillephone Licensing and a flag being created on here.

[AB de Royse777]

This is another sign that most people are on my side

Sorry, I am not on your side, nor on Coinplay's side. I have no valid data to verify your claim and check internal things from Coinplay too. You need to stop thinking everyone is circling around you.

Whatever happened between you and them is unfortunate (either from your side or their side), as an outsider it's hard for me or infect anyone to conclude the case.

It should be clear from the post that I made on the campaign thread.

[noormcs5]

Yes, they ruled in my favour (although technically it's called "unresolved" when one of the 2 parties does not respond anymore) and lowered the rating of Coinplay severely, but now they don't pay up. They have stayed silent for a week already.

You may be lucky in a sense that they pay your deposit back and now only your winnings are left to be payed to you. However, when i see one or two other threads against them where they only pay the deposited money, make me think they are here for a big scam while thinking they won't be notice.
Its natural that when you pay the seed money to the gambler, half of his anger is gone as he is satisfied that at least he did not lose his own money and hence many people may not come here to open up scam accusation against them.

But now i think they are exposed and if they don't resolve this (and a few other cases), i am afraid they will lose many gamblers from this platform despite the fact that they run their campaigns for many weeks on this forum.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

I reviewed this case and just wanted to add my two cents.

For all the watchers, keep in mind that the player can share their screenshots since it's their account, and can easily share only those screenshots that are going in to his/her favor, but an operator can't just post a players activity online - the regulator would go crazy about it. Even getting permission to send internal data to a random forum member would be tricky, especially if they know that they are right, and the Risk&Fraud team would never approve such an action without a court filling.

Additionally, it took me just a few minutes to find out that you're jumping from one sportsbook to another in search for better offers, if someone more serious digs through your history they might find more smoke, and where's smoke there might be fire. I'm not saying that you're at fault, but if you decide to lawyer up, check that you're 100% in the right before committing to anything.

For everyone else in the thread, you've already saw the steps which to take if an operator scams you, I would just add in a few others:

- AskGamblers isn't the only affiliate platform, you can also reach out to any other reputable affiliate that the operator is using and ask to pressure them. Most high level affiliates have direct contact to management.
- You can ping the regulator as well, you can see the operators license number in their footer.
- You can also pressure their payment providers, but you really need to know what you're doing here. E.g. if you've used PayPal (I know you didn't, I'm just giving an example), it means that they have a PayPal payment gateway, which means that they are risking of losing that payment provider if too many scam accusations pop up.

Also, I saw some 1xbit sentences and accusations that they are the same brand, and I haven't checked this personally, but I just wanted to add that the casino industry is smaller than you think, and most operators are using the same platform, game and payment providers.

[UmerIdrees]

This is another sign that most people are on my side

Sorry, I am not on your side, nor on Coinplay's side. I have no valid data to verify your claim and check internal things from Coinplay too. You need to stop thinking everyone is circling around you.

Whatever happened between you and them is unfortunate (either from your side or their side), as an outsider it's hard for me or infect anyone to conclude the case.

It should be clear from the post that I made on the campaign thread.

I really feel sorry for the campaign managers in this cases where they are doing their best in promoting a good project (to the best of their knowledge), preserving the interest of both the parties, the signature campaign participants, and the project team.

If the coinplay has any bad intentions or the OP is doing anything wrong, the campaign manager can't judge who is right and who is wrong because the Manager is NOT a part of the owners, he is only hired as a Campaign Manager.
There is a lot of responsibility on the campaign manager and the good ones can only stop the campaign unless these unresolved Scam Accusations are solved.

To cut it short, the reputed campaign manager running any campaign does not make a project trustworthy and similarly stopping any campaign by them does not make the project untrustworthy. They take steps in the best interest of the bitcointalk community based on the limited information presented to them.

[T3PR00T]

I reviewed this case and just wanted to add my two cents.

For all the watchers, keep in mind that the player can share their screenshots since it's their account, and can easily share only those screenshots that are going in to his/her favor, but an operator can't just post a players activity online - the regulator would go crazy about it. Even getting permission to send internal data to a random forum member would be tricky, especially if they know that they are right, and the Risk&Fraud team would never approve such an action without a court filling.

Additionally, it took me just a few minutes to find out that you're jumping from one sportsbook to another in search for better offers, if someone more serious digs through your history they might find more smoke, and where's smoke there might be fire. I'm not saying that you're at fault, but if you decide to lawyer up, check that you're 100% in the right before committing to anything.

For everyone else in the thread, you've already saw the steps which to take if an operator scams you, I would just add in a few others:

- AskGamblers isn't the only affiliate platform, you can also reach out to any other reputable affiliate that the operator is using and ask to pressure them. Most high level affiliates have direct contact to management.
- You can ping the regulator as well, you can see the operators license number in their footer.
- You can also pressure their payment providers, but you really need to know what you're doing here. E.g. if you've used PayPal (I know you didn't, I'm just giving an example), it means that they have a PayPal payment gateway, which means that they are risking of losing that payment provider if too many scam accusations pop up.

Also, I saw some 1xbit sentences and accusations that they are the same brand, and I haven't checked this personally, but I just wanted to add that the casino industry is smaller than you think, and most operators are using the same platform, game and payment providers.

Finally someone is making sense. The rest including TwitchySeal who seems leading the case, is playing everything in favor of the OP but not knowing what other factors can work behind these type of threads pop up all the time in the scam accusation section are just following whatever they feel comfortable for them.

If OP is so innocent then tell him to share his recent history with sportsbook like sportsbet.io, stake or even with highly dominating fiat sportsbook like bet365. I bet he does not play in these sportsbooks. He knows he can not make much high call against them because they have huge market value.

[TwitchySeal]

Shills seem to be coming out.

but an operator can't just post a players activity online - the regulator would go crazy about it.

That's not true at all.  (And it seems like they don't even have a valid license)

Other sites make detailed accusations against players all the time.  Example.

Since Coinplay, a relatively new casino that hasn't established any real level of trust from the community, isn't accusing the player of anything specific and refuses to explain themselves other than making vague references to their ambiguous terms I think the most reasonable thing to do is give the player the benefit of doubt.

If it were acceptable for sites to handle situations the way Coinplay is, think about how easy it would be to open a casino and just start scamming players left and right without risking any damage to their reputation.

Bottom line:  Coinplay agreed to use a third party to arbitrate, askgamblers.  They sent their evidence to the third party, and the third party made a decision in favor of the player and Coinplay still won't pay.  The case is closed. Coinplay scammed the player.

[T3PR00T]

Shills seem to be coming out.

Looks like you just wanted to quote me. Sorry it's not a paid comment. A shill does not work free.

[2double0]

SNIP
Bottom line:  Coinplay agreed to use a third party to arbitrate, askgamblers.  They sent their evidence to the third party, and the third party made a decision in favor of the player and Coinplay still won't pay.  The case is closed. Coinplay scammed the player.

TS is correct about the claim that Coinplay failed to provide any evidence against the player.

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/coinplay-casino-closing-account-and-confiscating-winnings-with-no-further-justification

Above link sends you to this user's case and the below given link sends you to another complaint where another player named JOACHIM102 claimed that he got his account blocked with almost the same piece of shit that Coinplay presented here. And they didn't pay out just $261

https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/coinplay-casino-they-took-the-winnings-away

I don't think Coinplay will give any real evidence to prove their accusations and will keep doing this with various other gamblers. Thanks to AskGamblers community for decreasing Coinplay's ranking score on their website.

[GekkeBelg]

This is another sign that most people are on my side

Sorry, I am not on your side, nor on Coinplay's side. I have no valid data to verify your claim and check internal things from Coinplay too. You need to stop thinking everyone is circling around you.

Whatever happened between you and them is unfortunate (either from your side or their side), as an outsider it's hard for me or infect anyone to conclude the case.

It should be clear from the post that I made on the campaign thread.

Okay I apologize. You didn't say you were on my side and it indeed was an assumption from me. I should not say stuff that are assumptions so I apologize for that.

[TwitchySeal]

This is another sign that most people are on my side

Sorry, I am not on your side, nor on Coinplay's side. I have no valid data to verify your claim and check internal things from Coinplay too. You need to stop thinking everyone is circling around you.

Coinplay agreed to third party arbitration.

Both parties agreed to use ask gamblers.

Askgamblers ruled in favor of the player.

Coinplay has not paid the player.

This can all be easily verified in this thread and the AskGamblers complaint (and you can see this is not the first complaint like this at AG).

You don't need any other data.  The right side is obvious.

[mikeywith]

If OP is so innocent then tell him to share his recent history with sportsbook like sportsbet.io, stake or even with highly dominating fiat sportsbook like bet365. I bet he does not play in these sportsbooks.

I also bet he can't run faster than Usain Bolt but that doesn't help Coinplay in any shape or form, I don't understand anything about gambling but I read the whole thread, and both agreed to use a 3rd party "judge" and that 3rd party thought Coinplay is full of shit which automatically makes OP "innocent" in this exact incident, he could be a scammer, a serial killer or anything else, he could have abused or exploited something in Coinplay but that doesn't matter, they failed to provide the evidence to support their decision, they could not defend themselves not sure why are you doing that on their behalf.
 

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

That's not true at all.

But it kinda is. I have been within the industry for a while now and randomly posting players activity online can get you fired, you would need to open up a case with the risk & fraud team or check with management (depending on the size of the business) to go through with it. If you're constantly sharing player activity online you'll get in proper trouble with the regulator, standard laws/gdpr and so on.

The reason why I said that is not because I wanted to stand on either of the sides, but rather explain you that in most cases the player can post whatever goes in to their favor, while the operator then has to tippy toe around it and see if it's actually worth entering the battle - and keep in mind that there are thousands of these cases per week, people are scamming operators left and right.

I didn't say that it's not possible to share internal data publicly at all, you gave a good example with Stake, but their whole company is aware of bitcointalk.org and have a massive operation here, obviously getting an approval to post internal data within a scam accusation is easier to process. As an example, my risk & fraud team didn't even know that this forum exists, and trying to explain them that I need to publish internal data on a forum would be quite a task.

Do I think that Coinplay could have handled it better? Yeah, definitely.

[TwitchySeal]

That's not true at all.

But it kinda is. I have been within the industry for a while now and randomly posting players activity online can get you fired, you would need to open up a case with the risk & fraud team or check with management (depending on the size of the business) to go through with it. If you're constantly sharing player activity online you'll get in proper trouble with the regulator, standard laws/gdpr and so on.

What you said is not true:

but an operator can't just post a players activity online - the regulator would go crazy about it.

The only thing curacao regulators go crazy about is if a casino doesn't pay their annual dues on time.  And it appears coingaming doesn't actually have a license as I don't see any official seal that can be verified on their page.  

If we were talking about a casino holding a proper license from somewhere like Malta or Isle of Man you'd have a valid point.  But if that were the case then the player wouldn't have to create a thread here to try and solve this kind of issue.

[LoyceV]

But it kinda is. I have been within the industry for a while now and randomly posting players activity online can get you fired, you would need to open up a case with the risk & fraud team or check with management (depending on the size of the business) to go through with it. If you're constantly sharing player activity online you'll get in proper trouble with the regulator, standard laws/gdpr and so on.

OP already gave permission to share his data with AskGamblers:

share it with Askgamblers. I give you permission to give all my sensitive and private information that you may have to them, I don't care.