yogg sweeping again - Playtoshi edition

[OgNasty]

unfortunately it is really true and it happened today.
as i found out today, Xprim777 was called by yogg today and the bastard Patrick told him that all 21 playtoshi cards he is about to sweep.
he found the pk's on his computer...

Wow.  This is a whole new level to the scam.  Now he's literally calling people in advance and giving them a heads up that he's about to sweep more?  That's literally psychopath behavior.  I'm sure he's reading all these threads and getting off on it.  Please folks, if you have any private key this psycho created, get the funds before this can go any further.  The whole situation is terrible.  I'm reading about this guy taking loans from people?  Did everyone know that he had multiple loans?  This is the sort of thing that would discourage buyers from trusting someone.  Maybe a thread needs to be created keeping track of individuals that control private keys and ask for loans?  Looking back, it seems that all the warning signs were there, but people were blinded by friendship.  I think instead of worrying about recovering funds or making Yogg's life miserable (which is understandably justified) we should be trying to figure out how to keep this from happening again. 

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[owlcatz]

Wow.  This is a whole new level to the scam.  Now he's literally calling people in advance and giving them a heads up that he's about to sweep more?  That's literally psychopath behavior.  I'm sure he's reading all these threads and getting off on it.  Please folks, if you have any private key this psycho created, get the funds before this can go any further.  The whole situation is terrible.  I'm reading about this guy taking loans from people?  Did everyone know that he had multiple loans?  This is the sort of thing that would discourage buyers from trusting someone.  Maybe a thread needs to be created keeping track of individuals that control private keys and ask for loans?  Looking back, it seems that all the warning signs were there, but people were blinded by friendship.  I think instead of worrying about recovering funds or making Yogg's life miserable (which is understandably justified) we should be trying to figure out how to keep this from happening again. 

To answer your questions again:

1. Now he's literally calling people in advance and giving them a heads up that he's about to sweep more? 
yes - He did that to let his last best friend on earth know in advance so he didn't hear about it here first ... Yes, psychopath at this point lol
2.  I'm sure he's reading all these threads and getting off on it.
No not likely/probably not.... He knows deep down it is wrong but has no options left, he didn't eat for 3 days so peeled those ffs... He had to wait until yesterday to get his monthly "on-the-dole handout" or whatever....
3. Did everyone know that he had multiple loans? 
No, he hid it very well. I knew of a couple but they were "legit" to me at the time thanks to his high intelligence on being deceitful and what I knew about the state of the business at the time.
4. Maybe a thread needs to be created keeping track of individuals that control private keys and ask for loans?
Erm.. Sure go for it, glwt...
5, Looking back, it seems that all the warning signs were there, but people were blinded by friendship.
Yes, he is a very high IQ individual, and his father also scammed him 65k euros when he was a kid by signing papers he did not know about. This affected him deeply, he always said he did not want to be his father, but yes, he turned into his father. I congratulated him for it as a way of letting him know he's a criminal scammer now.
6.  I think instead of worrying about recovering funds or making Yogg's life miserable (which is understandably justified) we should be trying to figure out how to keep this from happening again.
That would be great, but how? ... Where is @MrCryptoHodl, @Liquidoptions, @raritycheck and the rest of the newer folks selling loaded shit? Keep track of them I reckon....

[krogothmanhattan]

Does it help to setup a signed transaction already? I wouldn't mind creating a cronjob that tries to broadcast a bunch of transactions every minute. Once it's accepted by the network, bitcoind (which I have running anyway) will broadcast it. From the paper, I assume you'll need 2 transactions: the timelocked one, and the one moving out of the address on there.
If anyone's interested, I'll set this up. Note that I won't need any private keys for this, just signed transactions.
If yogg kept the private keys used to created the locked transaction, all this is futile

   LoyceV...Thanks for offering this but I am not sure its a good idea and I will tell you why.

   I see two scenarios here.... Lets say scum of the earth held onto the wallet that created the timelock transaction...then he can sweep at any time and there is nothing anyone can do about it unless they are able to broadcast and sweep before he does.
 
   The other scenario I see is, if he does not have the wallet for the timelock transaction BUT he has the private keys on the card, then by doing what you offer will load the card as soon as the smart contract is fulfilled and then it is a race between the owner of card and shithead to sweep first.

   If scenario two is correct and he does own the private keys, then it would be better to have the owner broadcast and sweep right away and getting the BTC. And that is exactly what I did and will do again once the timelock blocks are met.

[LoyceV]

   If scenario two is correct and he does own the private keys, then it would be better to have the owner broadcast and sweep right away and getting the BTC. And that is exactly what I did and will do again once the timelock blocks are met.

My idea was to do both: setup a transaction that sweeps the timelock, and setup a transaction that sweeps "the card". Then broadcast them together.

[krogothmanhattan]

   If scenario two is correct and he does own the private keys, then it would be better to have the owner broadcast and sweep right away and getting the BTC. And that is exactly what I did and will do again once the timelock blocks are met.

My idea was to do both: setup a transaction that sweeps the timelock, and setup a transaction that sweeps "the card". Then broadcast them together.

  Loyce...wouldn't that mean you would need access to the private key? In order to create a transacrtion wouldn't the public key paired with the private key need to be loaded and then a transaction can be generated? Didn't know this could be done with no Bitcoin in it.

  And if not how would such a transaction be setup. Never heard of this novel idea, willing to learn how its done...thanks

[MrCryptHodl]

Hi everyone, i hope you all are doing well.

I didn't want to comment on the subject until today but I will.

First of all I'm sorry to all the people affected by the scam of this moron Yogg (Patrick)

I saw that a thread on "what should the charity funds for the victims of the scam be used for" had been opened, and I didn't want to pollute it.

From a personal point of view, I think Yogg should be sued, I think it would be one of the only solutions to prevent this kind of event from happening again. It'll show anyone who thinks of walking away with people's hard-earned money that there are consequences.

Because keeping traces without consequence in the end has no interest and will not intimidate anyone, we are not in alice in wonderland, but in real life, if we want acts not to happen again there are not 1000 solutions, either we beat him up or justice beats him up. It's not about making life miserable for moron yogg, it's about protecting our community.

This kind of event impacts our entire community, whether collectors or creators. On the one hand we have people who lose money, and money does not fall from the sky, and on the other hand we have creators who live from their creations who risk losing their job which ultimately feeds them.(personally this is my case, since 2021(so 2 years now) I have been living from the sale of my collectibles and I am very grateful for it.)

being a creator and seller of collectibles, I have seen the impact it has had on the community with regard to creators, since mid-January and for almost 2 months people who buy my collectibles have had behaviors that I did not have never seen before here, I literally was overwhelmed with messages, whether people worried about the situation, people who told me they were stopping buying collectibles, and so on.(it stressed and pissed me off so much, even my mom asked me if I was ok when already 2 months had passed since the yogg scam.)

Personally I think that Yogg has a IQ close to Zero, the calculation is simple, no one has an interest in stealing the loading of his collectibles that he sells when he is paid in Bitcoin more than what is loaded in his collectibles. I see here a person especially who does not know how to manage his money. From what I could gather Yogg is a gambling addict, that says a lot about the person. this explains why today he is in this situation.

Now as I said above, this is my personal point of view, I am not a victim of the scam, and it is up to the victim to make the decision that they think is best for them.

[Excuse me if my English is not perfect]

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And Yogg if you read this message, know that you are a complete moron. You act knowingly, the fact that you are a gambling addict or a moron does not clear your actions, you can continue to hurt people but know that one day you will pay for it. and besides, you are already suffering the consequences, and this is only the beginning.

[LoyceV]

  Loyce...wouldn't that mean you would need access to the private key? In order to create a transacrtion wouldn't the public key paired with the private key need to be loaded and then a transaction can be generated? Didn't know this could be done with no Bitcoin in it.

You can't send a transaction from an empty address, but I'm hoping you can create a transaction based on the (still unconfirmed) timelocked transaction.

Let's test this:
My (testnet) address on my made-up card is tb1qqngm2k9hpc4skrhxf5zl7m0p3m6tm9m0k3jv89. The private key is p2wpkh:cSSznAdAjUnBrL4EtkT1kPkygatqFhv8KrkiBUAY5j8iHcZW9uii.

From address tb1q7cevguh0kvpux8y9x9fczfuz2gxtlxrzvetfx4, I create a time-locked transaction to tb1qqngm2k9hpc4skrhxf5zl7m0p3m6tm9m0k3jv89. LockTime is 2428815 (1000 blocks from now). I can't broadcast this transaction yet:

Code:

02000000000101e0837ed3bfb89e4491c5cbcedbeda8b5a5e46254c23ad17a0c0bca027a39100e0100000000feffffff01ba7313000000000016001404d1b558b70e2b0b0ee64d05ff6de18ef4bd976f02473044022014954d7969c9ec9a61de472920645e4eff766d4e1e564ee536680e973904943102204f0601b7acc8e4b58ba27fb355029d3a20b8245080699d123e65d3c4ca8d6004012103cf78237d0e6a8bbe2829535515a504721651d8d65d2c5ef8e6b483c77db896a68f0f2500

With this information, I continue in an offline Electrum wallet, and import the private key (the one mentioned above).
I was hoping it would allow me to use the signed transaction and build a second transaction from there, but it knows the block height isn't sufficient yet so it doesn't work.

I tried again with Bitcoin Core, and I can create the raw transaction, but it doesn't let me sign it:

Code:

"error": "Input not found or already spent"

I really thought this must be possible, but I can't figure out how So never mind this plan

[polymerbit]

Being a creator and seller of collectibles, I have seen the impact it has had on the community with regard to creators, since mid-January and for almost 2 months people who buy my collectibles have had behaviors that I did not have never seen before here, I literally was overwhelmed with messages, whether people worried about the situation, people who told me they were stopping buying collectibles, and so on.(it stressed and pissed me off so much, even my mom asked me if I was ok when already 2 months had passed since the yogg scam.)

I can definitely back this statement up. He's caused our customers to second guess the security of our keys as well.

Creators should always be scrutinised. But there is no denying that there was a drop in sales.

[Hhampuz]

Creators should always be scrutinised. But there is no denying that there was a drop in sales.

This is why pursuing legal action against yogg is so important. Showing everyone here and elsewhere with collectibles that this is not accepted.

There's simply too many "it won't do anything good, leave him be he's broke and pathetic" - which might just open up the door to other scammers-to-be who take this as a sign that they'll face no punishment if they do the very same thing. It's worrying and I can definitely understand why potential customers are hesitant moving forward.

[polymerbit]

Creators should always be scrutinised. But there is no denying that there was a drop in sales.

This is why pursuing legal action against yogg is so important. Showing everyone here and elsewhere with collectibles that this is not accepted.

There's simply too many "it won't do anything good, leave him be he's broke and pathetic" - which might just open up the door to other scammers-to-be who take this as a sign that they'll face no punishment if they do the very same thing. It's worrying and I can definitely understand why potential customers are hesitant moving forward.

We're not going to drop this. But announcing strategy on a public forum we know he is watching... only allows him to be one step ahead.

Strategy should be discussed in private groups.

[krogothmanhattan]

 Loyce...wouldn't that mean you would need access to the private key? In order to create a transacrtion wouldn't the public key paired with the private key need to be loaded and then a transaction can be generated? Didn't know this could be done with no Bitcoin in it.

You can't send a transaction from an empty address, but I'm hoping you can create a transaction based on the (still unconfirmed) timelocked transaction.

Let's test this:
My (testnet) address on my made-up card is tb1qqngm2k9hpc4skrhxf5zl7m0p3m6tm9m0k3jv89. The private key is p2wpkh:cSSznAdAjUnBrL4EtkT1kPkygatqFhv8KrkiBUAY5j8iHcZW9uii.

From address tb1q7cevguh0kvpux8y9x9fczfuz2gxtlxrzvetfx4, I create a time-locked transaction to tb1qqngm2k9hpc4skrhxf5zl7m0p3m6tm9m0k3jv89. LockTime is 2428815 (1000 blocks from now). I can't broadcast this transaction yet:

Code:

02000000000101e0837ed3bfb89e4491c5cbcedbeda8b5a5e46254c23ad17a0c0bca027a39100e0100000000feffffff01ba7313000000000016001404d1b558b70e2b0b0ee64d05ff6de18ef4bd976f02473044022014954d7969c9ec9a61de472920645e4eff766d4e1e564ee536680e973904943102204f0601b7acc8e4b58ba27fb355029d3a20b8245080699d123e65d3c4ca8d6004012103cf78237d0e6a8bbe2829535515a504721651d8d65d2c5ef8e6b483c77db896a68f0f2500

With this information, I continue in an offline Electrum wallet, and import the private key (the one mentioned above).
I was hoping it would allow me to use the signed transaction and build a second transaction from there, but it knows the block height isn't sufficient yet so it doesn't work.

I tried again with Bitcoin Core, and I can create the raw transaction, but it doesn't let me sign it:

Code:

"error": "Input not found or already spent"

I really thought this must be possible, but I can't figure out how So never mind this plan

   I see what you wanted to do now....shorten or change the raw timelock transaction block or date? That is impossible as it is forged with the first wallets private key and without that key you will not be able to do that unless you have the key and you forge a new transaction from scratch.

   That's the beauty of bitcoins blockchain and smart contracts, they cannot be changed once forged.

    I one time created a time lock contract and spent the bitcoin to test...so of course when the transaction was broadcast it was already spent...useless and it was a double spend scenario....so of course it failed.

    I then loaded the same exact amount of bitcoin on the same address to see if it would work, and of course it did not. Every single Satoshi is unique it cannot be replaced my another Satoshi or bitcoin unless its generated with a new smart contact.

    That's one thing I LOVE about Bitcoin and blockchain technology. IMMUTABLE

     But thanks for at least trying. Cheers!

[krogothmanhattan]

  I also read somewhere on this thread about the new coinmakers and trust level etc etc etc.

  There is no way to be 100% sure someone will not do what shithead did, but that is the risk of this unique hobby of ours and unless you are willing to lose a few sats on a loaded coin then don't buy loaded items, keep your sats on your paper wallets or Trezor.

     This fiasco happened with Alitin and others and most likely will happen again. Its a chance we all took when we bought our very first loaded item.
  I am willing to take that risk if the artwork is what I want with a very low load amount in btc.

      Our hobby will pick up again just like it did after Alitin. I am sure of it and I will still be a buyer as well.

[Coin_trader]

What a pissed Yogg turned out. Scamming 0.001BTC a piece on his creation is the definition of real beggar. He might be high on some shit substance that make him addicted to scam every possible way.

I remember the time when is crying just someone put a red trust on him for nonsense reason even the user is not a DT. Shame on him for creating uncertainty and doubt to our collectible section.

[montreal1]

I'm sorry to everyone who lost money. He ignored the #1 rule to destroy the pk's, so this is 100% premeditated crime. I was holding out some hope that he sincerely failed to delete some pk's somehow, made a terrible decision one day, would feel regret, get help for his addiction, and maybe there would be a redemption arc one day (especially considering he has irl friends here). The fact that he doubled down really shows he is currently a man of no worth or integrity. I hope he doesn’t have kids or family who have to endure him

It’s sad that collectors need to keep amounts relatively small and diversify coin creators to mitigate risk, but it’s the nature of the game I suppose

Yogg if you read this: do what’s hard. Get yourself together, come back and explain why you did what you did, and take small steps to make things right. It won't be easy but it will be worth it

[YodasRedRocket]

From another thread 👇🏼

Just a heads up but he peeled all the copper having sets, and I've just received word that he's currently sweeping history series cards right now...  

Edit please repost to any relevant threads as I am afk ATM... Sorry!

[Kryptowerk]

Been trying to avoid most things related to this yogg-up for a while now. Was about to move on.
But seeing this sweep just goes to show:
- Words are wind, there seems to be no remorse whatsoever. At least his priorities are clear.
- Sweeping an insanely tiny amount of 10x 0.0021 (around 500 USD at this point in time) makes it clear that that he's either extremely desperate or just doesn't give any fucks (if he ever did?), willing to grab anything in his rech for his own benefit. Probably a mix of both.

Disgusting to see another friendship/collaboration destroyed by sick greed. My condolences to bitcoiner24h and anyone owning one of these.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Been trying to avoid most things related to this yogg-up for a while now. Was about to move on.
But seeing this sweep just goes to show:
- Words are wind, there seems to be no remorse whatsoever. At least his priorities are clear.
- Sweeping an insanely tiny amount of 10x 0.0021 (around 500 USD at this point in time) makes it clear that that he's either extremely desperate or just doesn't give any fucks (if he ever did?), willing to grab anything in his rech for his own benefit. Probably a mix of both.

Disgusting to see another friendship/collaboration destroyed by sick greed. My condolences to bitcoiner24h and anyone owning one of these.

he also started sweeping the history keys and more of the halving wallets. He has zero remorse.

[TheBeardedBaby]

So,  he saw that nobody is after him and he is still stealing funds. Damn.
Sorry to hear that...

[OgNasty]

6.  I think instead of worrying about recovering funds or making Yogg's life miserable (which is understandably justified) we should be trying to figure out how to keep this from happening again.
That would be great, but how? ... Where is @MrCryptoHodl, @Liquidoptions, @raritycheck and the rest of the newer folks selling loaded shit? Keep track of them I reckon....

I suggested keeping track of the amount of BTC loaded onto coins that a maker has access to (presuming they kept the keys, which I feel the need to say that I don't keep any keys I engrave onto my coins) and I believe I've been making that suggestion for many years now.  If the maker has loans as well, that would obviously be worth noting.  I'm sure someone here would be glad to keep something like that up to get merit, not me, but somebody.  This is just an idea I had.  I don't know what motivated people to trust Yogg or buy his products.  Maybe the bashing of honest creator's reputations played a part as there are only so many collectibles here and not everybody has the time to research who is telling the truth when allegations arise...  The folks that did buy his products and considered him trustworthy would likely be the best source of information on how to prevent this from happening again.  To those effected by this, what would have opened your eyes to the red flags and given you hesitation to purchase these products?

From a personal point of view, I think Yogg should be sued, I think it would be one of the only solutions to prevent this kind of event from happening again. It'll show anyone who thinks of walking away with people's hard-earned money that there are consequences.

I can understand this point of view.  There's probably no fair way to distribute the funds, so doing this at least inconveniences Yogg.  My concern would be...  What if Yogg won the case?  I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like a theft of this kind hasn't been tried in court before and maybe it would open the door for other creators and embolden them to steal from their customers with no fear of consequences.  Although the lawsuit itself may be a consequence as I'm sure it would be a pain in the ass for him. 

[cygan]

i wanted to clarify something.
since some users have already written to me about the refunding of the playtoshi edition or also about the history cards...
i personally decided to refund all victims who were scammed on the halving sets.
since that day it was known that yogg is untrustworthy and some here also wrote that you should peel all your other ck-cards too, it is now rather rough negligence that some users still had loaded ck-cards and now have been scammed again by yogg...
the refund of these cards/editions will not be taken over by me anymore

just my 2 sats