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April 11, 2023, 04:47:13 AM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
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April 11, 2023, 05:12:46 AM
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"Seasonal" is probably a decent term to describe it, but it's simply the fact that certain/individual strategies won't work consistently forever/all the time. It's the same both with technical analysis and fundamental analysis. Adaptation and reflexivity is the key.

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April 11, 2023, 05:15:42 AM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

You must learn the basics of trading before doing actual trades. There are two sides of a coin and there are two different outcomes of trading, winning and loosing. There is no magic behind trading. Anyone can learn it and there is nothing mystical about it. Nobody is regulating the system it's the user's mistake who put their money into trading without getting proper knowledge about trading in first hand.

Trading will give you profits every week if you learn to trade properly. Without a proper plan, and strategy trades will go towards loss. It's mandatory to learn trading and then put money into it, don't blindly follow influencers, their advice is really harmful. As far as you trade safely you will not be hit by market. Even if your trades are in loss just hold them as Hodling is part of crypto trading.

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April 11, 2023, 05:32:58 AM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

While I cannot deny that suspicion of yours nor say that it's true since there is no concrete evidence to prove either speculation, I believe that it isn't something that can really beat up a good trader. Yes, losses are always present in trading but that doesn't mean that the frequency of losing vs winning trades cannot be influenced by the actual trader. If that were the case, no one would even think about trading.
The best way I know to save one's self from suffering too much losses is to be fully equipped with the proper knowledge or at least the basics when it comes to trading. And of course a good temperament along with a good amount of experience. With these, a trader can make lots of profits and minimal losses.
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April 11, 2023, 06:21:00 AM
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Market is not only seasonal but also cyclical. Cyclical is bigger than seasonal trait.

When you say seasonal, your view is a little bit mid-term but when you say cyclical, your view is wider and long-term.

If you have good plan for market cycle, you can reduce risk and increase your chance to get decent profit. You can not use leverage or futures with plan is built on cyclical view.

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April 11, 2023, 06:30:59 AM
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How can you say that the market is seasonal if you need help understanding the mechanics of the market? Saying that it's "mystical magic" doesn't explain anything. It's best to know that there is a primary reason you always kept winning trades: market sentiment. It's a bullish market; everyone would benefit from it and keep winning.

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April 11, 2023, 06:37:36 AM
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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
This is true that there is no 100% expert in crypto trading and no one can give you 100% accurate signal about amy coin or Market condition for specific time. Market condition can change according to buy and sell pressure. Experts can give you only possibility of market. For this they look for different factor like chart analysis, expected some positive or negative news about btc or crypto, previous 4 year crypto cycle and other factors

Market is also now a big whale game. When many experts says that next month market will likely to be bullish and most of people become over confident to invest then they increase sell pressure to make profit in this stage. similar big exchange also liquidate users in this state. For this they sell fake news to spread fud and they able to buy from down again

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April 11, 2023, 07:12:33 AM
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The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week.
If you are buying bitcoin for a week and you are selling the coin, that means you are still trading. Do you know that not selling for just a week is swing trading? Scalping, day trading and swing trading are all trading and they are risky, although swing trading will consume little time of studying the chart and analyses and it is not risky like the other two.

If you are holding, the coin can reduce in price, but that does not mean that you are losing, it is just an unrealized loss. If you sell the coin is when it becomes an unrealized loss. So if you buy and sell within a week with losses, that means you lose. But if you have a long term goal and not sell the coin when the price is low, it is an unrealized loss and the price will increase again.

Trading and investment are not the same, you need to differentiate them.

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April 11, 2023, 07:28:19 AM
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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
Because here is the fact --the market is unpredictable and no one really knows what will happen in the future, I don't even believe that there is a crystal ball that will have the ability to predict the market, so even experts or traders that gained a lot of experience have a chance to have a loose position.
However, always remember as a trader to accept that losses will perhaps occur and to learn from them, rather than letting them negatively affect their trading psychology. With the right mindset and risk management strategies, even a losing streak can be turned around and profitability can be achieved over the long term.









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April 11, 2023, 12:55:14 PM
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but this month is cashloss experiment.


The month can still give you profit don't be depressed.

I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system.


There are no mystical magic or power to it. That is the way it is and that is why you need to confirm your trade before entering and give space for stop loss because market will chase the stop loss as if it was waiting for your order.

The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain, 


Nobody likes to lose, trade with caution.

and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.


I think that is chase for stop loss. I think usually when market shows you a good entering position, it doesn't just start giving you profit but it starts to trade contrary to the position and chasing you or other traders off their stop loss before it starts to profit. So that depends on the range of stop loss set for the trade, if it is closer then it will be easier to take you out faster.


I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

The market can only favour you more than you lose if you keep to the professional way to trade which are good money management and use of stop loss.
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April 11, 2023, 01:32:38 PM
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"Seasonal" is probably a decent term to describe it, but it's simply the fact that certain/individual strategies won't work consistently forever/all the time. It's the same both with technical analysis and fundamental analysis. Adaptation and reflexivity is the key.
There is a thing called market cycle in trading and it consists of Uptrend, Downtrend, and Sideways. The strategies in uptrend is not applicable in downtrend, the strategies in sideways are not applicable in uptrend and vice versas. It is common mistakes of the traders nowadays wherein they think that their strategies will work 100% of the time without knowing and understanding the nature of trading and also the market cycle. The market already transition to sideways in to bullish wherein the proof is the current breakout of the bitcoin in the $29,000 - $30,000. What we should expect after what happened earlier? There is a high probability that the price will appreciate in these following days and weeks and we can also expect that some altcoins will go crazy momentum.

For those who are asking about what is the best trading strategy in the current market cycle which is uptrend, is to buy at support or to buy at breakout. Identify yourself first if you are a swing trader of if you are a momentum trader. A swing trader usually buying at support level and it took weeks to months before they take profit while momentum trader can be called as a quickie trader who usually take tp within minutes, hours or few days after their order. Analyze a lot of chart and make a small thesis that can help you to familiarize on some trading strategies that can help you to make profit in trading.
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April 11, 2023, 01:37:30 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

Even if we think that we already know how to trade but the fact that market is unpredictable then those losses is quite normal especially when you are of control in your trades. Learn from those past mistakes and see how those seasons goes then set some trading plan so that you can develop good trades which is more beneficial for you in the long term.

Everyone can experience loss even those experience person but they can manage their trades and have set up game plan in terms of cutting there losses then set up another entry for possible reversal of their trades.

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April 11, 2023, 09:38:44 PM
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I am expecting this week to be Bullish because the market is already gaining some good sights and 30K is broken by the Bitcoin, I do agree with the OP that the Market is seasonal but this seasonal market behavior provides the investors a risk-free opportunity to take entry and book some decent profits. Forking and Hitting I would like to say Time changes dude Spring Blossom cant be forever this is how nature works if something is rising then before and after there was dark fall. If this doesn't happen then what to expect we won't get new opportunities to enter.

For the rest of the case on the expert trader as bro, you are not controlling the market it's based on different aspects so we can predict with some sort of efficiency we can't judge. Predictions / Speculation are based on the previous market behaviors and the maximum of times it works.

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April 11, 2023, 09:54:01 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
The bull run is seasonal but the market is active at all times. You gotta see how the market works for both investors and traders. If you're an active trader, you can make everything for all seasons. But if you're an investor then you have to wait for the right time to see how the profits will come out. And that's where being seasonal is going to come in, we don't know if the future might be good for specific altcoins you're holding and trading but, if you're holding bitcoin then the chances are higher than one can expect. It all depends on your trading capacity and the reality of it is that traders are losing more, honestly. And if the latter is your description of yours being seasonal, it's true. Today might your lucky day but tomorrow, you don't know.

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April 11, 2023, 10:36:54 PM
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How can you say that the market is seasonal if you need help understanding the mechanics of the market? Saying that it's "mystical magic" doesn't explain anything. It's best to know that there is a primary reason you always kept winning trades: market sentiment. It's a bullish market; everyone would benefit from it and keep winning.

It would be hard to regulate, but the people who can are the whales.
Actually the market is seasonal, because relating it to bullish season and bearish season,  its safe explanatory that market happens to be positive seasonal and some times it happens to be negative in some points, so if Op portray that market is seasonal I don't that the reasons or point are not cogent,  relating it to the aspect of Trading you will note that in trading not every period you trade it become profitable, it neither be positive or negative, so base on Op experience that is while it throw the ideas on air.

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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
And this what makes this market special on which it is really that not prone to manipulation because the entire community are ones who do dictate out when it comes to price movement.
Its not really that something shocking because this market had been unpredictable since from the start.You might be able to make the best TA analysis out there but
there would be no assurance that it would precisely work 100% most of the time.

This is why when you are a trader then you should really be making yourself at least aware on how this market behaves or works.

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In summer there is usually less activity, and in spring there is often an active growth phase (at least once every two years). So yes, we can say that the market depends to a certain extent on what time of year it is. Although there are always exceptions to the rules, so you can't be absolutely sure it will always be like that.
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In summer there is usually less activity, and in spring there is often an active growth phase (at least once every two years).
IMO, it could be.
Many traders may take time off during holidays, which could lead to lower trading volumes and increased volatility.  As we noticed, in the past few weeks there are too many holidays I think many traders took a break for vacation.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
Yes, that's the point because the market is highly unpredictable and subject to a wide range of factors that can impact its performance.
So even them, they may experience losses too.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
It’s easy to celebrate winnings and ten times hard to take a loss. There is no perfect trader, the best can only try to make their winnings higher and keep their losses at minimal. I agree the crypto market is seasonal, that’s why traders study trends, previous price movements and history, and follow the news. However I do not see crypto trading as a game of luck, if it’s as simple as the toss of a coin anybody can be successful trader.

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There is a thing called market cycle in trading and it consists of Uptrend, Downtrend, and Sideways. The strategies in uptrend is not applicable in downtrend, the strategies in sideways are not applicable in uptrend and vice versas. It is common mistakes of the traders nowadays wherein they think that their strategies will work 100% of the time without knowing and understanding the nature of trading and also the market cycle. The market already transition to sideways in to bullish wherein the proof is the current breakout of the bitcoin in the $29,000 - $30,000. What we should expect after what happened earlier? There is a high probability that the price will appreciate in these following days and weeks and we can also expect that some altcoins will go crazy momentum.
I do not think that anyone has explained this any better than this. What you just said is so true and something that people need to learn a lot. Even when we are talking about long term, the reaction we are giving are different and should be considered that way. I personally have a situation where I get to invest whenever I want to, but that means I am not going to be able to do the same.

For example, I buy a lot more when it is going down, and I mean a lot more, 10x more than usual, and when it is sideways I just buy a bit, a small amount, to keep it growing, and when it is going up I do not buy at all. That's how we should approach this thing without a doubt, that's how it is treated and makes a profit for you.
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Yes I can say trading is really seasonal, it happened to me many times in the past and it still happens now. You win in Coin some profit this time and then lose it the other time.

Such is the nature of trading win or lose, you cannot always be a successful trader even the most famous traders are not all "deals" 100% successful .

Therefore, you have to take things simply and accept the loss as you rejoice at the profit. Also, you have to go along with the market, which means you have to change your strategy sometimes according to the market situation.

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This is why trading is not for everyone because even a good trader just like you still experience a good loss but with a good strategy that doesn't stick to a single one might give you a lift. The market is indeed seasonal because some of them just wanted to buy low while some of them wanted to sell high. A good TA and FA is what you really need but overall what's matter is how much more you win compared to how much more you lose. At least now, you did experience the great lesson that you shouldn't do in the future but instead try a new type of strategy.

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Yes, somehow it is seasonal.
When the bear season takes place, we don't experience straight losses but the portfolio gets down slowly to kick out the weakest of the weak hands possible and then, the whales begin their show where they try to push back the price up so that it gets harder for retails to catch up the train because the speed of pricing it up is way higher than you think. Even whales get ditched by institutions who try to keep the markets down to accumulate as many BTC as possible and it's ultimately the game of those who hold the most BTC because the more BTC you have, the more you can manipulate alts.

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Basically new traders don't have that good idea about trending. But if they think that investing will make them money then they must analyze the market. First of all he should consult a good investor and then start trading. And if you don't have a very good experience in this regard then you will definitely risk your money. Trading must be done wisely otherwise you will not be so good at investing if you lose your money later. So if you want to invest, you must pay attention to all aspects and be experienced in trading, then it is possible to earn profit.

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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.
I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

Last month was very bullish for the market so everybody might have seen profits from their trade but that doesn't mean they're good with their predictions. The market shoudn't determine your results instead your understanding of the market should do that. If you're a professional trader, you should be able to make gains in any market conditions both bull or bear market.

No human is perfect as even professional trades also lose some trade therefore the negative trades could come in but overall you should be profitable from your trades. The seasons of the market or the market been seasonal shouldn't affect your overall results and if it does then you need to rethink your strategies.

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Last month you made a lot of profit by trading and this month you lost more than the profit you made so it seems to you that trading may be seasonal. That is, if you trade according to the season, you will be profitable, but if you trade outside of the season, you will lose.
I don't think your idea is correct. Because this digital market is completely uncontrolled. That is, no one controls this market. The market moves at will. You may have traded at the right time last month but this month you may not have traded as per the market movement so you lost more money this month than what you gained last month. But don't lose patience. Believe in yourself and improve your trading skills, hope you succeed.

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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
You are pertaining about trading right? You are saying that you can get wins at some times, and at some times you will get losses.

Well, that's how trading is. There is no 100% win rate in trading. Even the experts are losing trades, but the difference is that the experts are winning more than they're losing thus, they are having more profits than losses. Mystical magic? Technological process? Regulating the system? I might be dumb, but I didn't even think how these words are connected to trading.

You said complete expert trader. You mean a perfect trader right because if that's how you think then you're right. You know what the experts and newbies, and average traders differ? Experts know the risk, they know when to enter, and they know when to exit. Most of the newbies, and some of the average traders doesn't know this one.

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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

Maybe you have a point or you're right in what you said, like the weather, there is a rainy season, summer, autumn, and winter. This is how you want to point out the topic you made.

That's why it doesn't seem like it, because if trading is seasonal here in cryptocurrency, it will appear untrue that you can make a profit every day from trading. Maybe you just said that because the trading market is unpredictable, and if anyone knows when the value of a coin will increase or decrease, it's the manipulators or whales.


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But even so, some traders manage to profit in every situation because they can analyze the market well. If you can analyze the market, you can still profit like them. And even if you lose, you can still profit from trading other coins. However, market conditions are not always favourable. If you find it difficult to analyze the market direction, you should leave the market for a while to enjoy your day and return to the market in a few days. It will give you a new enthusiasm in analyzing the market and who knows, you may benefit after resting for a while.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

I am agree with you that there is not a single expert which always get maximum returns but while trading they will face defeat and loss at some point because from this loss they get experience and if they did not loss money in past then they will hardly cope with harsh situations in future.

You are right that everyone gets success and also they faces failure but it is not always that one time you will successful and other time failure but regular success can also achieve. A person can get rid of regular loss through investment for lengthy period of time because in longer time you will have no worries about the lower price because you will keep holding your coin until it gives you maximum return.

  Yes we can say that market is seasonal because seasons changes and in the same way the price changes regularly, as a single season does not remain always so same is the market where it doesn't remains in one position.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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April 13, 2023, 10:19:03 PM
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But even so, some traders manage to profit in every situation because they can analyze the market well. If you can analyze the market, you can still profit like them. And even if you lose, you can still profit from trading other coins. However, market conditions are not always favourable. If you find it difficult to analyze the market direction, you should leave the market for a while to enjoy your day and return to the market in a few days. It will give you a new enthusiasm in analyzing the market and who knows, you may benefit after resting for a while.
You are right that some traders benefit even when it seems the market is bad,but you can't tell me that there are some traders who win at every time they trade,I don't think there is any trader like that,there must be time when you loose either as a result of poor strategising, or as result of bad market,and that is where i agree with the OP's topic that the market is seasonal,sometimes it will be good,and sometimes it will be very bad.The period of time that it is bad is when you loose your money,while the good period is when you make profit or gain.That is why adaptation is necessary in the business.As a good trader or investor,you must know the seasons that market is always bad,and avoid trading during that period of time.
Observe when the market is always favourable and trade.
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You are right that some traders benefit even when it seems the market is bad,but you can't tell me that there are some traders who win at every time they trade,I don't think there is any trader like that,there must be time when you loose either as a result of poor strategising, or as result of bad market,and that is where i agree with the OP's topic that the market is seasonal,sometimes it will be good,and sometimes it will be very bad.The period of time that it is bad is when you loose your money,while the good period is when you make profit or gain.That is why adaptation is necessary in the business.As a good trader or investor,you must know the seasons that market is always bad,and avoid trading during that period of time.
Observe when the market is always favourable and trade.
There are only two seasons in the market, we have the bear and bull season. Which is categorically understandable because there's more complex adaption of the both seasons. Bear is a season of market, where investors and traders tends to lay solid foundation for the potential prominent projects in the space, ready to shoot to the moon when the bulls is triggered. While the bull season is the harvest season where we reap the significant profits we invested during the bear season. All seasons are favorable and we ought to know the type of season that serves us better.

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April 14, 2023, 05:23:37 AM
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But even so, some traders manage to profit in every situation because they can analyze the market well. If you can analyze the market, you can still profit like them. And even if you lose, you can still profit from trading other coins. However, market conditions are not always favourable. If you find it difficult to analyze the market direction, you should leave the market for a while to enjoy your day and return to the market in a few days. It will give you a new enthusiasm in analyzing the market and who knows, you may benefit after resting for a while.
You are right that some traders benefit even when it seems the market is bad,but you can't tell me that there are some traders who win at every time they trade,I don't think there is any trader like that,there must be time when you loose either as a result of poor strategising, or as result of bad market,and that is where i agree with the OP's topic that the market is seasonal,sometimes it will be good,and sometimes it will be very bad.The period of time that it is bad is when you loose your money,while the good period is when you make profit or gain.That is why adaptation is necessary in the business.As a good trader or investor,you must know the seasons that market is always bad,and avoid trading during that period of time.
Observe when the market is always favourable and trade.
This can happen if traders are not focused on trading. It makes them wrong in analyzing market direction. But if traders feel they are not focused, they don't need to trade but should take a break until they can focus again.

An experienced trader must adapt to an ever-changing market because he has much experience using his strategies to get opportunities to enter the market. But indeed, I agree to always observe market conditions before starting and prepare your analysis if you want to enter the market. And an experienced trader will know when market conditions are not good.

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April 14, 2023, 05:44:08 AM
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Yes, the bullish and bearish are seasonal market but try your possible best as a trader to know the season to buy your coins and hold for a good season to come before you can sell to make a good income from your investment. Those that sold their coins early this January really experienced losses from their trade, because the price of coins were very low but some lose their patience to released their coins that made them to regret with the current price in the market. Since the price of Bitcoin has hit $30,000 this week, I think it will be favourable for traders to hold till next month before they can sell to embrace a good results from the market.

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If you expect the market to behave exactly the way you want it, sorry but you will never be able to get that. There are multiple reasons why a market behaves in a certain way, and behaviours tend to change over time, just like how a human cannot always stay happy or sad, the market cannot always keep going up or constantly go down.

That is the reason why it is called unpredictable. And of course, everyone has to suffer from losses, no trader can claim that they have never had to face a loss in cryptocurrency trading, especially if they were not experts as every expert was once a beginner.

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This is why trading is not for everyone because even a good trader just like you still experience a good loss but with a good strategy that doesn't stick to a single one might give you a lift. The market is indeed seasonal because some of them just wanted to buy low while some of them wanted to sell high. A good TA and FA is what you really need but overall what's matter is how much more you win compared to how much more you lose. At least now, you did experience the great lesson that you shouldn't do in the future but instead try a new type of strategy.

It might not be only cryptocurrency market that is seasonal. Almost everything in life is seasonal. A time to make profits and uptime to make losses.
It is well, we have understood the cyclical nature of things and we will tend to approach them in a more realistic manner.

Even the professional traders also lose trade, but the most important thing is the overall performance of their losses compared to their wins. According to you that is why it is important to have many strategies such that when a particular strategy fails, you will invoke another strategy that will keep you in profits.

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If the market was seasonal then everyone would have profited and no one would have lost their money. Because if the market is seasonal, everyone would have an idea of ​​which season to invest in and make a profit. But the market is not really seasonal. The market always moves at its own pace.

A month ago you made a profit by investing but now you have invested again instead of making a profit so it is not correct to call the market seasonal. I think it is better to invest once with a large amount of money with a good understanding of the market than to invest little by little many times just because of the volatility of the market. Because by observing the market and trading with a large amount of money, there is a possibility of profit. So one should invest at the right time with adequate understanding of the market rather than considering the market as seasonal.
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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
This is how trading looks like and the result is uncertain especially for beginners.
But I have noticed that many people had come into a trade when the market is close to the bull season compared to the time during the bear season. And base on my experience, I earn more profit during the bull season and I know that some traders have the same experience that I have. I can't deny that the market seems seasonal, not all the time we got lucky, sometimes we lose even though how hard we tried to avoid it.

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Yes, the bullish and bearish are seasonal market but try your possible best as a trader to know the season to buy your coins and hold for a good season to come before you can sell to make a good income from your investment. Those that sold their coins early this January really experienced losses from their trade, because the price of coins were very low but some lose their patience to released their coins that made them to regret with the current price in the market. Since the price of Bitcoin has hit $30,000 this week, I think it will be favourable for traders to hold till next month before they can sell to embrace a good results from the market.
Having patience is so important in trading and not everyone has it,
when the coin price is still very low i think there is no other choice but to keep holding it,
so it's very reckless to try to sell it and the consequence is a loss.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
I am agree with you that there is not a single expert which always get maximum returns but while trading they will face defeat and loss at some point because from this loss they get experience and if they did not loss money in past then they will hardly cope with harsh situations in future.

You are right that everyone gets success and also they faces failure but it is not always that one time you will successful and other time failure but regular success can also achieve. A person can get rid of regular loss through investment for lengthy period of time because in longer time you will have no worries about the lower price because you will keep holding your coin until it gives you maximum return.

  Yes we can say that market is seasonal because seasons changes and in the same way the price changes regularly, as a single season does not remain always so same is the market where it doesn't remains in one position.
That's the natural part of investment and trading. You need to realize that everyone loses money when they are trading and it's not really a big deal. I know that most people will have some misunderstanding about the situation but that doesn't mean that we should be expecting veterans to make max profit, some newbies may think that's possible but it's not.

We know that it's going to be a tough situation and we should just focus on not being able to provide something like that when the time comes. I personally think that even if you do not make the max possible profit, that's fine as long as you make profit over a long period of time and not really have any type of worry, do not regret even if you make losses here and there.

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"Seasonal" is probably a decent term to describe it, but it's simply the fact that certain/individual strategies won't work consistently forever/all the time. It's the same both with technical analysis and fundamental analysis. Adaptation and reflexivity is the key.
When the market is seasonal, not everytime strategies are going to work out. There are some time when we will need to try to adjust our strategy so that it can conform to the current market situation.
Trading is not for everyone that is why we need to be trying our best to make sure that our strategies are working fine to the current market seasonal pattern.

I know some of the strategies I have used I'm the past that are not working again because of the market change of market structure which I will need to adjust the strategy for it to work clearly fine.









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April 15, 2023, 12:12:29 PM
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When the market is seasonal, not everytime strategies are going to work out. There are some time when we will need to try to adjust our strategy so that it can conform to the current market situation.
Trading is not for everyone that is why we need to be trying our best to make sure that our strategies are working fine to the current market seasonal pattern.

I know some of the strategies I have used I'm the past that are not working again because of the market change of market structure which I will need to adjust the strategy for it to work clearly fine.
Trading is not required of everyone, and it is also not suitable for everyone; only the determined and intelligent may succeed in it. The only time a trader is anticipated to generate greater profits from the current losses is when they have figured out the best season that will work for them. We're not holding back, and I'm absolutely going to grow better at my daily analysis. Learning new market structures is my ultimate goal as it relates to profit earnings. Seasonal fluctuations have an impact on the market, and we learn new things every day to adapt our strategies to these changes.

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April 15, 2023, 12:17:22 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

but the bottom line is, after those series of trades, after weeks of trading, after months of trading, after quarters and years of data, the method you are using must have a positive result. That is your edge. Doesn't matter if you're winning or losing near term but knowing that in a series of trades you have a positive net result will give you a greater sense of confidence trading and through that you will trust your system more.

With those data over your personal seasonal tendency, simply optimize your trading. Less trades or derisk on months that you are not trading exceptionally and risk more and add more position on time that the market favors your strategy or system.

If you expect the market to behave exactly the way you want it, sorry but you will never be able to get that. There are multiple reasons why a market behaves in a certain way, and behaviours tend to change over time, just like how a human cannot always stay happy or sad, the market cannot always keep going up or constantly go down.

That is the reason why it is called unpredictable. And of course, everyone has to suffer from losses, no trader can claim that they have never had to face a loss in cryptocurrency trading, especially if they were not experts as every expert was once a beginner.

Because losing is a normal part of the game trading. It is a flat tire on your road trip. Only a stumbling block. But as long as you have your account trading, you can get that back. You can earn it again if you simply follow your plan and not be reactive to your emotions. When the marketplace is in the right conditions, not consolidating sideways but true movement higher or lower, a true excitement and volatility.  If you have discipline and a rigid plan, you will have the opportunity of reaping the rewards of being a patient risk management and a trader.

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April 15, 2023, 08:48:26 PM
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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
The market is traded by both human and bots. The bots have an advantage over human when it comes to working non-stop and finding good trade entry points. So in order to counter that, many people changes their strategy, thus changing the flow of constant strategy use. And also the thing you mentioned, the market taking away your profits on your next trades. It's not the market, it's the fault that lies into your analysis. The market is constantly changing and with every change, we have to use different strategy in order to hold your ground.

So if you are using only one strategy, and it has flaws, you are most likely going to lose that trade. Try to collect more knowledge on the market, learn new strategy, keep eye on the chart and see how it is behaving in order to create a new trade.
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April 15, 2023, 09:17:07 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
There's no perfect trading, you should expect to lose money and be ready for that once you become a trader.
You can call the market seasonal since it will not stay on the same trend, either we go up or we go down this is the major two trend that traders have to observe all the time. Right now maybe we are on a bullish season where many cryptos are rising again from its bottom, a good trend to those who invest during the red market.
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
There's no perfect trading, you should expect to lose money and be ready for that once you become a trader.
You can call the market seasonal since it will not stay on the same trend, either we go up or we go down this is the major two trend that traders have to observe all the time. Right now maybe we are on a bullish season where many cryptos are rising again from its bottom, a good trend to those who invest during the red market.
^Definitely right and this was what I always thought to my classmate in college before.
Trading sometimes we think it is based on luck and it is only a small portion of the chances of winning. But every time that he loses the market trading,  it is always for him to charge as an experience and never even have a regret. Because he told me that he know his mistake and that in the next session, it will never happen again.
Let us accept the fact that trading is not for everyone, it is only for those who are it requires a certain level of determination, intelligence, and adaptability to succeed in it. I
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April 15, 2023, 09:56:48 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

Cryptocurrency market is volatile due to certain factors.  Being labeled as highly volatile, it is obvious that the market will have series of ups and downs where traders take advantage off.  This is also one good reason why many speculative investors hop into Bitcoin investment and Bitcoin trading. Bitcoin market is more likely cyclical where the cycle involved the bull and bear season.  This season is catalyzed by Bitcoin halving and Bitcoin ATH breaking where the prior hints the sign of the bull market and the latter the transitioning to bear market.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

No one can predict the precise price of the market.  they may given hints of the possible uptrend but there are always variable factor that can change the sentiment of the market.  So it is always best to be updated and informed of the current events of the market we are invested.
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"Seasonal" is probably a decent term to describe it, but it's simply the fact that certain/individual strategies won't work consistently forever/all the time. It's the same both with technical analysis and fundamental analysis. Adaptation and reflexivity is the key.
When the market is seasonal, not everytime strategies are going to work out. There are some time when we will need to try to adjust our strategy so that it can conform to the current market situation.
Trading is not for everyone that is why we need to be trying our best to make sure that our strategies are working fine to the current market seasonal pattern.

I know some of the strategies I have used I'm the past that are not working again because of the market change of market structure which I will need to adjust the strategy for it to work clearly fine.
That's why we should always learn to make strategies to anticipate market changes that are often uncertain. If the market changes, we can adapt using a different strategy that may work well. Even though trading is not for everyone, as long as we can learn more about trading, we can survive in all situations and conditions in the market. And that also can improve our ability to analyze market conditions before we trade.
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I don’t know this seems to be little off the track statement? Trading is never a seasonal game and it doesn’t do any favouring thing to anyone out there. The entire trading system works on skills and how you plot your strategies. If you are not doing very well in the trading then definitely something is not right with the strategies you have built. I think naming it seasonal failure looks weird.

In addition to all of the above, crypto market is most active market in entire economic circle. It’s running 24x7 and someone is always there to buy or sell. Definitely not seasonal.
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Trading is never a seasonal game and it doesn’t do any favouring thing to anyone out there.


The seasonal nature of trading could be in terms of bull or bear, also during trend. So if a trader is considering season on trade based on these waves, it might be understandable. If you are losing or profiting in any of the waves you can consider it as either bull or bear season.

In addition to all of the above, crypto market is most active market in entire economic circle. It’s running 24x7 and someone is always there to buy or sell. Definitely not seasonal.

Crypto market is not the only most active market and not only running 24x7. Derivative and binary is also open 24 hours all days with some volatile pairs that you can profit from or lose all your capital.
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Due to the fact that even experienced traders suffer losses, trading is not ideal for everyone. However, a sound plan that doesn't rely solely on one tactic can lessen these losses. The market fluctuates seasonally, with some purchasers looking for deals and others hoping to make a profit. Although technical and fundamental analyses are important, ultimately winning more often than losing is the secret to success. It's crucial to learn from the past and test out new tactics moving forward.



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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
You should get used to it, here in crypto there's a lot of uncertainty some other days bitcoin will pump some days it will unpredictably dump. We should learn the basics first before putting larger amount of money. It is not low always a rainbows and butterflies, we need to adapt in order for us to underhand the volatility of market. Yes market is very seasonal, so we need to adjust depending on which season we are dealing with.
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Cryptocurrency is a seasonal market indeed but when the loss season comes it's better to make use of the risk management strategy because the market cant be bullish now and never welcomes the downtrend season at some point.


Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.
It is either you're impatient in making trading decisions or you choose hype base crypto without the right examination of the market because about 80% of every trader usually makes a profit when the market is in bullish season.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
Yes, there's no complete expert trader at some point and that's why risk management is an important weapon every crypto trader must practice.

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Trading is the grand leveler. Whether flesh and blood or a digital whiz, we all confront the sporadic monetary misadventure. Though, there are tactics to bolster our stance. Firstly, let's acknowledge the market as a veritable rollercoaster. Exhilarating one moment, petrifying the next – that's the essence of it, no?

While eradicating risk is impossible, we can enforce boundaries and sharpen our analysis prowess to dodge utter devastation. So, when the market teeters on the brink of chaos, recall – you're not solo. We're all on this wild ride. With a pinch of luck (and heaps of expertise), we just might emerge victorious.
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Well, the word " seasonal “ is not an accurate description for the situation due to the market is developing in every period, same goes to technical analyses . The more you have solid strategies and ability to read every new condition, the more you are safe. In addition to that, gaining knowledge and experience are necessary in this field, they will definitely help you to improve your trading skills. And no offense OP but  it would be better if you stop complaining and looking for solutions.

Moreover, the market is always dependent on Bitcoin’s development due to majority of cryptocurrencies are centralized, if Bitcoin goes down, the whole market will follow it and the opposite is true. In fact, daily trading is unfortunately unprofitable during this period, it would be better if you avoid it and focus on middle and long term trading.
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April 16, 2023, 09:27:29 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. .....
There is no mystical magic behind the tech. Tjere is only how the market is going on. There will be always market correction after the rise up trend. It is normal. The volatility is very high in crypto market. That is whhy trading crypto may be very wlrthy but alsonrisky at once. For, if we are not able to manage our strategy tonfit the market situation and its anticipation, we may be cashloss easily, because we may not be ready with the sudden market changes.

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Due to the fact that even experienced traders suffer losses, trading is not ideal for everyone. However, a sound plan that doesn't rely solely on one tactic can lessen these losses. The market fluctuates seasonally, with some purchasers looking for deals and others hoping to make a profit. Although technical and fundamental analyses are important, ultimately winning more often than losing is the secret to success. It's crucial to learn from the past and test out new tactics moving forward.




Every trader's aim is to make profit,there is no trader who is contented with the way he is now,more especially those who are new in the trading system.Trading requires a systematic approach that deals with calculating how the market  operate seasonally.There are seasons when the market will not be favourable,and there are also seasons when the market will be very bad to the extend if you invest your capital,you will loose continuously,that is why it is very good to know the seasons you are in,so that when you know it doesn't always favour you at a particular season of the year, you can leave it for some other times that you can gain.Its not Everytime that one has to rush investing.
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
If you like, you can call it seasonality, different strategies can be applied for each period. Try to devote more time to technical analysis, follow the trends and do not rush to trade every day, because it is very difficult, in this mode, traders make the most mistakes. Do not focus on one thing, try to change something if there is no result. Remember that this is not an easy job and before you trade big money make sure you understand what you are doing.

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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
If you like, you can call it seasonality, different strategies can be applied for each period. Try to devote more time to technical analysis, follow the trends and do not rush to trade every day, because it is very difficult, in this mode, traders make the most mistakes. Do not focus on one thing, try to change something if there is no result. Remember that this is not an easy job and before you trade big money make sure you understand what you are doing.
Trading in a hurry does not produce anything and will only make us lose,
so in conditions like this I think we need to be wise in making decisions which are not easy either,
it's better to keep learning to understand it.
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The market is rather situational and depends on many factors. It is difficult to say that there is a connection to the seasons. More importantly - to be able to analyze the market here and now.
seasonality in the world of cryptocurrencies is still very strong, especially if you look at the charts from history,
then you will be able to conclude that seasons are very important as a factor why the market is so volatile,
and currently the market is still in a bearish to bullish season, because 2024 is reportedly a halving bitcoins will happen.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
And base on my experience, I would say yes, it was seasonal to the point that we usually make a good profit when the price goes up. However, I don't think we incur losses if we are just about to hold them and then wait for the recovery. Unfortunately, because most of us traders are impatient and would like to put everything on our hands, we become desperate and then make a wrong decision.
Yes, there is no perfect trader and we all experience losses, that is the truth. But apart from that, we learn somehow that trading is not all about profit as we surely lose sometimes because of our decisions. 

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There’s always a season to harvest and a season to plant more, and with crypto it can also possible to happen. When you tend to wait for a cheaper market then that could be your season to plant more, meaning its bear market and when the market pumps, that’s the time to harvest. Just like farming, you always have to plant in order for you to get some, cryptomarket is just like that it will not always an up trend, and the season to plant will always come in time.
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There’s always a season to harvest and a season to plant more, and with crypto it can also possible to happen.
Market has bull and bear times and its capital flow will be switched around from Bitcoin to altcoins and stable coins. You will not have Bitcoin season and altcoin season at the same time. Bitcoin season first and capital will switch to altcoin to trigger altcoin seasons.

Altcoin season index shows recently we are in a Bitcoin season. There is no altcoin season yet!

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When you tend to wait for a cheaper market then that could be your season to plant more, meaning its bear market and when the market pumps, that’s the time to harvest. Just like farming, you always have to plant in order for you to get some, cryptomarket is just like that it will not always an up trend, and the season to plant will always come in time.
Bull or bear market, you can have profit if you have enough patience to wait long enough and get good entries.
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Bear and Bull market is seasonal Usually after Bull market or when the price reached All time High there is big correction or most people in crypto here called "Crypto Winter". and The bull market is usually only a year.

But if you are professional trader no matter what happen to market you can still "Dance on the Market" meaning you can still made a profit when Bull or Bear market is happening

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The smart trader is the one who can make gains in the market cycles. No matter how negative the market is, he can make profits. It is true that those profits will be difficult and few, but he can achieve them.
Do not be sad and develop yourself on how to find ways to make profits when the market is bad and everyone believes that there is no way to generate profits and then it will be easy for you to make profits in the normal situation and when the market is high.

So, for a professional trader, the market is not seasonal

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The smart trader is the one who can make gains in the market cycles. No matter how negative the market is, he can make profits. It is true that those profits will be difficult and few, but he can achieve them.
Do not be sad and develop yourself on how to find ways to make profits when the market is bad and everyone believes that there is no way to generate profits and then it will be easy for you to make profits in the normal situation and when the market is high.

So, for a professional trader, the market is not seasonal
Well, I believe that his losses now will set as a foundation for him in the future of his own trading strategies along with constant learning and gaining more experience will make him a seasoned trader. To be honest, I don't really rely on such market cycles and strategies since individually you can get news on the market as long as you will spend time on the web, and I do always keep in my mind that my gains are somebody else's loss and vice versa. In addition to that, it doesn't mean my strategy is effective, it will always be effective to you or anybody and even me in the future.

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The smart trader is the one who can make gains in the market cycles. No matter how negative the market is, he can make profits. It is true that those profits will be difficult and few, but he can achieve them.
Pro traders achieve it in any market because they have enough discipline, patience and their calculations are good enough as well. From good calculations, with good patience and discipline, they can wait till right time to enter, open a position and exit it to take profit or if market goes bad, they exit their position to protect capital.

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So, for a professional trader, the market is not seasonal
Market is seasonal and no one can deny it but pro traders don't mind about seasonal trait. They only need to see market waves and find good entries to join the game.

To be honest, I don't really rely on such market cycles and strategies since individually you can get news on the market as long as you will spend time on the web, and I do always keep in my mind that my gains are somebody else's loss and vice versa. In addition to that, it doesn't mean my strategy is effective, it will always be effective to you or anybody and even me in the future.
In a bull market, you can lose big too so market cycles can not help everyone to avoid loss and gain profit. As a zero-sum game, in any market (bull or bear), there are winners and losers to make the sum unchanged.

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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
This is why it is not everyone day to trade, hence people sometimes call it bull and bear market. You are not supposed to make consistent profit in trading even though many people have done that but still doing it consistently is just really hard for majority of people. If you are doing DCA as your strategy then you wouldn't bother with that kind up and down because you can buy it anytime you want.

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Philosophically, life is full of seasons – there's time for everything; a time to be born and a time to die. There's also a place for ups and downs in life for everyone. These turn of events must be experienced in one's life, whether we like it not.


The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week.
No trader would say at any point in their trading experience they didn't share this mindset. We all did. At times one would even think there was a kind of conspiracy with a monitoring evil glued to one's device to foretell one's activities. However, as we wised up on the journey we've come to understand that there's nothing of such.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
That's the beauty of trading. It keeps everyone on their toes. No one can beat their chest and say they've outlived losses.

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If I was not wrong,your trade profit may start from March 15 of last month.Because it’s due to the end of March and beginning of the first quarter.Mostly the price of bitcoin will have good signs during the month of March to May.So if you want to concentrate on the trading,you can earn some good profit during this months.It’s essential to keep track of bitcoin price daily to find the correct price to invest in bitcoin.Once you find the correct price of bitcoin,you can inverse in bitcoin and wait till the market react to the price to the positive effect.Then cash out your money from bitcoin with some profit.
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The market thus moves at its own pace, Sometimes there will be profit and sometimes there will be loss, this is how trading happens. There is no guarantee that profits will always be made here. And one person's loss becomes another person's gain and this is how the market is moving at its own pace. In other words, yes, the market is seasonal and if you can maintain those seasonal times, then you are a gainer.


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The market thus moves at its own pace, Sometimes there will be profit and sometimes there will be loss, this is how trading happens. There is no guarantee that profits will always be made here. And one person's loss becomes another person's gain and this is how the market is moving at its own pace. In other words, yes, the market is seasonal and if you can maintain those seasonal times, then you are a gainer.
You have rightly said that in the market, one person's gain is another's loss, thus the market moves at its own pace.  If the market was seasonal then everyone would have waited for a particular season. But because the market is not seasonal, investments are made in the market at all times of the year.  Profit and loss it completely depends on the market and it is difficult to understand in which direction the market will take the tran. However, if you do enough research on the market and have enough knowledge about the market, you can predict which direction the market may turn.

I would never say that the market is seasonal. If the market had a specific season then no one would have suffered by investing. Everyone used to invest in a certain season and everyone sold his investment before the end of a certain season.

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April 20, 2023, 05:30:29 PM
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The market thus moves at its own pace, Sometimes there will be profit and sometimes there will be loss, this is how trading happens. There is no guarantee that profits will always be made here. And one person's loss becomes another person's gain and this is how the market is moving at its own pace. In other words, yes, the market is seasonal and if you can maintain those seasonal times, then you are a gainer.
If we are talking about market being seasonal,We need to know the certain times that it is good to trade,we need to know when to invest and when not to invest,the market is about giving and taking,you invest at a particular time,and you also take your profit when when you are supposed to.There are sometimes when the market is very rough,and Sometimes when the market is smooth,and that time is the perfect time to trade your coin.
Most traders have not calm down to critically look at when the market is best to make investment,and that is one of the reasons why they lose money,if you are a trader,you must be a careful trader,someone who analysis,exermines,and studies up and down movement in the price of coins before investing.
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I would never say that the market is seasonal, I do know that at one point the market can be linear and it is understandable, but not by much, volatility is the ingredient that will always make a difference in this market and that is what the market does. Unlike forex, the stock market, everything is necessary, only in the bitcoin market the volume is not consolidated, which makes the general analysis very Unstable, while in the rest the volume is consolidated, and the analyzes they tend to be more effective and accurate.

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April 30, 2023, 03:26:07 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

If it is just about losing, as a trader, you shall not stretch it more out. It is a normal part of the game. A loss is necessary for the probability of your winning system to pan out.
It is also not just about the market. The market does its own thing. Your main focus should be on how you are going to act as opposed to how the market is moving.

You can have the direction right but still not profitable. See? That's a big problem. Success in trading is about 3 things. How you perceive the market. What is your strategy in line with how you perceive the market, and How are you behaving with your strategy to profit from the market?

Everything is seasonal. Whether it is price delivery or your personal account PnL and drawdowns. Whatever it is, just know that it is momentary. Focus on the process.

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May 01, 2023, 08:21:32 AM
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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

I am agree with you that there is not a single expert which always get maximum returns but while trading they will face defeat and loss at some point because from this loss they get experience and if they did not loss money in past then they will hardly cope with harsh situations in future.

You are right that everyone gets success and also they faces failure but it is not always that one time you will successful and other time failure but regular success can also achieve. A person can get rid of regular loss through investment for lengthy period of time because in longer time you will have no worries about the lower price because you will keep holding your coin until it gives you maximum return.

  Yes we can say that market is seasonal because seasons changes and in the same way the price changes regularly, as a single season does not remain always so same is the market where it doesn't remains in one position.
There are professionals or experts in trading but it does not mean that they are immune to losses. The only reason why they are termed like that is because they have gained lots of experience and they are now familiar on different things here in the trading.

This makes their winning rate higher than the average users and they can now mentor the newbies in the scene. Investment has its own risk. You only think it's easy but it was actually hard. One may not stick on his plan and that is the time they will experience a loss. Season does change but what is its connection to the market? However crypto market has their own seasons too. That is the bull and the bear.
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May 01, 2023, 09:24:28 AM
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There are professionals or experts in trading but it does not mean that they are immune to losses. The only reason why they are termed like that is because they have gained lots of experience and they are now familiar on different things here in the trading.

This makes their winning rate higher than the average users and they can now mentor the newbies in the scene. Investment has its own risk. You only think it's easy but it was actually hard. One may not stick on his plan and that is the time they will experience a loss.
Many people trade daily but they over trade and they are always in the market. They usually don't exit the market and take a rest to have time to refresh their minds and have enough time as well as neutral mind to think of the market by analyzinita withouta personal emotion because of their existing positions which can be in profit or loss.

Most of traders are failed traders in the market and having a good win rate does not mean you will have net profit. If you are bad in capital management, one loss can turn your positive net profit to a negative one. Like you start with $100, win 10 trades and make your trading capital to $300. But if you use all $300 for your 11th trade and lose it big, yoiuu might end it with even less than $100 that is your initial trading capital.

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Professional traders do their works when market is dynamic with waves, they don't mind that it is a bull or bear market. If they see waves, they will trade but if they don't see wave, they stay inactively.

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May 02, 2023, 06:21:30 AM
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Many people trade daily but they over trade and they are always in the market. They usually don't exit the market and take a rest to have time to refresh their minds and have enough time as well as neutral mind to think of the market by analyzinita withouta personal emotion because of their existing positions which can be in profit or loss.

Most of traders are failed traders in the market and having a good win rate does not mean you will have net profit. If you are bad in capital management, one loss can turn your positive net profit to a negative one. Like you start with $100, win 10 trades and make your trading capital to $300. But if you use all $300 for your 11th trade and lose it big, yoiuu might end it with even less than $100 that is your initial trading capital.
There are too many trades that loses and only a few that does win, because only a few did what they should and most did not studied it at all. Bear does matter a bit, surely the leverage and futures made it possible that even bear is profitable, but it does matter, when it is bull it is easier to make a profit whereas when it is bear it is a bit harder because market is not moving with that kind of hype. If nothing else, we could talk about the volume and that matters a lot for sure.

This is why I believe that we should not be focusing on bear and hope for a bull soon. Even professional traders who make millions of dollars in profits would rather have a great bull run, like see the price go above ATH, they will benefit from that too.

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If it is just about losing, as a trader, you shall not stretch it more out. It is a normal part of the game. A loss is necessary for the probability of your winning system to pan out.
It is also not just about the market. The market does its own thing. Your main focus should be on how you are going to act as opposed to how the market is moving.

You can have the direction right but still not profitable. See? That's a big problem. Success in trading is about 3 things. How you perceive the market. What is your strategy in line with how you perceive the market, and How are you behaving with your strategy to profit from the market?

Everything is seasonal. Whether it is price delivery or your personal account PnL and drawdowns. Whatever it is, just know that it is momentary. Focus on the process.
Even the strategies and individual behaviors are seasonal along with the market as they need to be changed when the market moves from one place to another. One cannot use the same strategy when the market isn't moving the same way all the time, and there needs to be tweaks in a strategy or a process that one uses towards the market.

Your success depends on how you change your process and adapt new strategies and methods that best suite the changing market conditions from every now and then, if you can keep up, you will be good, if not, you will probably lose momentum.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
because of that we have to be smart in looking for opportunities when to buy and when to make a profit by selling it. don't fight crypto flows, because all of that will go according to the existing trends and seasons. It's better to be really thorough and make consistent income patiently, than to be greedy in trading here.

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May 09, 2023, 06:52:16 AM
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Even the strategies and individual behaviors are seasonal along with the market as they need to be changed when the market moves from one place to another. One cannot use the same strategy when the market isn't moving the same way all the time, and there needs to be tweaks in a strategy or a process that one uses towards the market.

Your success depends on how you change your process and adapt new strategies and methods that best suite the changing market conditions from every now and then, if you can keep up, you will be good, if not, you will probably lose momentum.
That is the reason why we have indicators and analysis. If you do TA very well then you will know where the market is moving, or at least where it should be moving. Sometimes it is hyped, sometimes it is gloomy, sometimes it's bear, sometimes it's bull. You can't know what will happen the market beforehand easily and you can't just use the same strategy for each market.

It means that you need to do your TA, and depending on the result you need to use that, you can't just have one strategy for all, you need to have one for each, and that is how you are going to make a difference. I personally believe that there is nothing wrong with the current system of investing according your own analysis, but you need to learn how to do that carefully, otherwise it is not going to end up being anything easy.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
because of that we have to be smart in looking for opportunities when to buy and when to make a profit by selling it. don't fight crypto flows, because all of that will go according to the existing trends and seasons. It's better to be really thorough and make consistent income patiently, than to be greedy in trading here.

All markets are seasonal, ups and downs happen in all markets, but what's special about the crypto market is that volatility and power are at the highest levels. Nothing compares with crypto and some incredible spikes that happened (both ways) in so short period of time.

Well, we have to be smart, opportunities are everywhere, and there's something for everyone. Markets are seasonal, and there are many risks, but I think that we have good reasons to believe that the crypto market will continue to grow. So people should get more into crypto, if they think they can make some good analysis and catch some changes it can be profitable for them, and if not even stacking sats is a good investment for the future.

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May 12, 2023, 10:08:37 AM
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All markets are seasonal, ups and downs happen in all markets, but what's special about the crypto market is that volatility and power are at the highest levels. Nothing compares with crypto and some incredible spikes that happened (both ways) in so short period of time.
Market is volatile, ups and downs and you must survive in a bear market to enjoy a bull market. If you can not survive through a bear market, a bull market later does not mean anything for you.

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Well, we have to be smart, opportunities are everywhere, and there's something for everyone. Markets are seasonal, and there are many risks, but I think that we have good reasons to believe that the crypto market will continue to grow.
Market continues to grow and will give us more chances but only if we have capital to invest. Therefore protecting our capital is most important task for our future. If we have capital, we can have chance. If we lose our capital, we will not be able to take any chance in future to get richer.

Your success depends on how you change your process and adapt new strategies and methods that best suite the changing market conditions from every now and then, if you can keep up, you will be good, if not, you will probably lose momentum.
Only if we don't lose all capital with past mistakes. We only can change our strategies if we have capital (don't lose it all). If we lose it all, we will have to work to have new capital, make a loan (that we should not do) but it will take time and require us to save money from other things in life.

Don't think that we will always have jobs to work and receive salary. We invest into something to increase our capital, not to lose it and return to work and get money to pay for food, water, electricity.

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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
Yeah market is up and down, pump and dump, rise and fall, it is completely unstable, that is why we can earn and sometimes we will loss it is seasonal that is why the profit is also seasonal, but people still trade because sometimes trading is surprising we can also earn big profit depending on our luck.


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May 12, 2023, 01:52:07 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
Yeah market is up and down, pump and dump, rise and fall, it is completely unstable, that is why we can earn and sometimes we will loss it is seasonal that is why the profit is also seasonal, but people still trade because sometimes trading is surprising we can also earn big profit depending on our luck.
and the hard thing to deal with is accepting defeat during a market season that is not in accordance with our dreams, because being able to accept defeat will minimize the risk of greater losses, because most people trade short term, but in the end they trade long term because of floating minus . What needs to be remembered is that there are still many opportunities to make transactions in the future, so don't sacrifice capital for just one transaction that doesn't fit

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Yeah market is up and down, pump and dump, rise and fall, it is completely unstable, that is why we can earn and sometimes we will loss it is seasonal that is why the profit is also seasonal, but people still trade because sometimes trading is surprising we can also earn big profit depending on our luck.
Trading cryptocurrency with a solid technique with the objective to accumulate additional profits in the market is a risk, consideringeverything to be traded with caution. The market is volatile, and no one knows what will happen next. Profiting in the market is made simple by the strategy we adopted. We have the pump and dump season, which is different for altcoins and memecoins. The best period to enter the market is during the bear season, when most projects are down and bagged more than enough, since when the market is pumping, massive gains will be generated.

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Maybe the only traders that have consistent earnings are those that spend time conducting paid seminars, tutorials, and other services they can do to earn money instead of spending time studying, and trading in order to milk the market. Cheesy That is why I quit many times already. But I will be trading again probably next year and the year 2025 because they are possibly bullish years if we are to base it on bitcoin and crypto cycles. But I am far from being called a trading expert.

Trading strategies won't work all the time too mate. Long-time traders always adjust their strategies to what will work for them.  

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May 26, 2023, 04:19:26 AM
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It's hard to even call it a season. The market is rather periodic. Moreover, periods can change so quickly that it is rather difficult to keep track of this.

I would slightly disagree with your opinion that you can compare it to the season because if you know the bear market has started since the end of 2021 and the market is still bear till May 2023.We can say that this is the bear season and this is the season of buying, and it has taken a long time for bull season to turn into bear season. Similarly, when the bull season comes and the bear season ends, it also takes a long time.

So I think you can easily keep track of changing periods. Market seasons give you the opportunity to know where you should enter and where you should exit.

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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.

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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.


The crypto market has historically shown some seasonal patterns, although it is important to note that these patterns are not guaranteed to repeat in the future. Several factors can influence the behavior of the crypto market, including investor sentiment, market trends, and regulatory changes. Additionally, some peoples argue that there are seasonal patterns based on investor behavior and market sentiment.  The behavior of the cryptocurrencies market is influenced by a variety of factors beyond seasonal trends, including demand and supply disparities and the market's interest in the product.

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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.
Well, it is easy to look like a genius when the market is doing nothing but to go up, during those moments everyone seems to be obtaining profits, however as we know such a state cannot be maintained for long and at some point a crash follows, it is at those moments when you can see who is really good and who was just being carried away by the bull market, and when all is said and done you can see the majority of the traders on the market were never as good as they thought they were.
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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.
Well, it is easy to look like a genius when the market is doing nothing but to go up, during those moments everyone seems to be obtaining profits, however as we know such a state cannot be maintained for long and at some point a crash follows, it is at those moments when you can see who is really good and who was just being carried away by the bull market, and when all is said and done you can see the majority of the traders on the market were never as good as they thought they were.
Such is the reality that when the market is rising there will be no chaos between the traders,
and when the market is crashing, we can see which traders really have a lot of experience and which ones don't.

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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.
No matter how good a trader is, even in a bull market, making x50 or x100 in one season is a very big profit. Perhaps some people manage to do this, and it is also not so easy to do when it comes to a large trading deposit.

If you start with a small amount, then it is quite possible that you will allow yourself more risky operations with it and this will bring more profit, but if you start with significant capital, then you will be much more careful with it, and this of course can bring profit, but not like you wrote. For a large capital, even x5-x10 will be considered a very good profit.
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The crypto market has historically shown some seasonal patterns, although it is important to note that these patterns are not guaranteed to repeat in the future. Several factors can influence the behavior of the crypto market, including investor sentiment, market trends, and regulatory changes. Additionally, some peoples argue that there are seasonal patterns based on investor behavior and market sentiment.  The behavior of the cryptocurrencies market is influenced by a variety of factors beyond seasonal trends, including demand and supply disparities and the market's interest in the product.

I don't think the patterns will stop and if it wants to stop, it won't be happening now because we'll always have the bear and bull market which happens in between every four years cycle. Each cycle would have a different percentage return and that's where I think there'll be some difference. For example, the last bull market we had didn't have much gained generally compared to the bull market of 2017.

We didn't see the altcoins season we expected like the 2017 bull market that the altcoins season came and difference tokens in the market went pumping by gaining big from the flow of cash into the market. We had some altcoins pump in this bull market but it wasn't like 2017.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
because of that we have to be smart in looking for opportunities when to buy and when to make a profit by selling it. don't fight crypto flows, because all of that will go according to the existing trends and seasons. It's better to be really thorough and make consistent income patiently, than to be greedy in trading here.
When it comes to expert traders, I think there are, because basically people will get more skilled if they continue to explore their skills in their field, including trading, people who have a lot of experience from market waves will definitely become experts in their trading.
Experts don't mean it's impossible to lose and Experts don't mean you always win, it's just that experts usually lose less compared to the wins they get, because they can take advantage of the season and its opportunities in the market.
attention must be paid to thoroughness and sustainable income everyone also wants it but even if an expert benefits from trading in the world of crypto or stocks and or something else I think it's impossible.

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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.
In the sense that it has bearish and bullish trends that occur at different times in different years, we can call Bitcoin seasonal. Maybe it doesn't have a fixed season when it goes up or goes down, but since it is volatile and it is always likely to go down when it's up and go up when it's down, we can clearly say that the price of Bitcoin is seasonal.

It obviously is normal to incur losses when you are trading or doing any kind of business, nothing can provide you with constant profits and you will surely have to face some hard times during the course of whatever you are doing.

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"Seasonal" is probably a decent term to describe it, but it's simply the fact that certain/individual strategies won't work consistently forever/all the time. It's the same both with technical analysis and fundamental analysis. Adaptation and reflexivity is the key.

Yes market isn’t always the same or predictable. If you keep on following the same strategies and place trades then definitely no one can save you from getting losses. Moreover according to me no strategy works the second time. So yes if you love your hard earned money then you need to come up with new and innovative ideas. The most important factor in trading is that, trade with the market. Become adaptive to the market and trade in limit. That’s how you can save money and probably earn some profits.

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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.
In the sense that it has bearish and bullish trends that occur at different times in different years, we can call Bitcoin seasonal. Maybe it doesn't have a fixed season when it goes up or goes down, but since it is volatile and it is always likely to go down when it's up and go up when it's down, we can clearly say that the price of Bitcoin is seasonal.

It obviously is normal to incur losses when you are trading or doing any kind of business, nothing can provide you with constant profits and you will surely have to face some hard times during the course of whatever you are doing.
what happens to Bitcoin is unpredictable. Even if it's called bear season or bull season, we can only make trading predictions and investment plans based on what's happening in the market.
simply those who invest in the market will buy when the market is in bear season. and sell it during the bull season. but that is not a guarantee someone will benefit. because seasonal periods as you said can never be predicted.



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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
That's how trading works, even how expert you are or how experienced you are in trading, you can't always be profitable or always a 100% guaranteed winner.
That's why there are a lot of personalities or influencers on the different social media that are only showing their winners to get the attention of some people.

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When it comes to expert traders, I think there are, because basically people will get more skilled if they continue to explore their skills in their field, including trading, people who have a lot of experience from market waves will definitely become experts in their trading.
Experts don't mean it's impossible to lose and Experts don't mean you always win, it's just that experts usually lose less compared to the wins they get, because they can take advantage of the season and its opportunities in the market.
attention must be paid to thoroughness and sustainable income everyone also wants it but even if an expert benefits from trading in the world of crypto or stocks and or something else I think it's impossible.
I think experts become experts by studying and experience. If you study how to be a great trader and if you keep on trading, then you are going to end up with something good eventually, there is no other way around it, that's how people become rich.

However, if you want to find a quick way to get rich, no matter how much time you spend, you will not become rich because that's not how it works. It should be remembered that bitcoin is volatile and there are so many ways to make money if you are a trader, but if you want to do it well then you need to spend some time on it if you want to make some money. I understand that there are a lot of people who will, but I am worried about all the people who won't be understanding this concept and just think bitcoin is a way to get rich quick.

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May 29, 2023, 11:33:23 PM
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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.
In the sense that it has bearish and bullish trends that occur at different times in different years, we can call Bitcoin seasonal. Maybe it doesn't have a fixed season when it goes up or goes down, but since it is volatile and it is always likely to go down when it's up and go up when it's down, we can clearly say that the price of Bitcoin is seasonal.

It obviously is normal to incur losses when you are trading or doing any kind of business, nothing can provide you with constant profits and you will surely have to face some hard times during the course of whatever you are doing.
what happens to Bitcoin is unpredictable. Even if it's called bear season or bull season, we can only make trading predictions and investment plans based on what's happening in the market.
simply those who invest in the market will buy when the market is in bear season. and sell it during the bull season. but that is not a guarantee someone will benefit. because seasonal periods as you said can never be predicted.
That's right, price of Bitcoin is unpredictable because if you do you would be rich now. We can only anticipate for long whenever the price goes back to the demand zone and anticipate for short whenever the price goes back to supply zone. Since we can't predict the next move of market, that doesn't mean we can't determine if it's now bullish or bearish. We have tools and knowledge to analyze the market if it really bearish or bullish, by doing that you can increase the chance that the market is really bearish or bullish.

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I think experts become experts by studying and experience. If you study how to be a great trader and if you keep on trading, then you are going to end up with something good eventually, there is no other way around it, that's how people become rich.
And these people studied very well the market and not just all about studying but even losing, they've tasted it for so many times. These successes in trading doesn't come off instantly, there has to be a strategy for the ones that we're seeing at the top.

However, if you want to find a quick way to get rich, no matter how much time you spend, you will not become rich because that's not how it works. It should be remembered that bitcoin is volatile and there are so many ways to make money if you are a trader, but if you want to do it well then you need to spend some time on it if you want to make some money. I understand that there are a lot of people who will, but I am worried about all the people who won't be understanding this concept and just think bitcoin is a way to get rich quick.
That is true.

Those that are thinking that they will become rich quickly, they'll end up with nothing and that's for sure. Because the mindset they have is the one that will pull them one.

They won't be satisfied with little gains and little progress. While the rich people that has gone through the traditional method, liked those little gains that they've made and from there, they've made strategies and understood that there will be time in the market that it's profitable and there will be that it won't be.

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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.
In the sense that it has bearish and bullish trends that occur at different times in different years, we can call Bitcoin seasonal. Maybe it doesn't have a fixed season when it goes up or goes down, but since it is volatile and it is always likely to go down when it's up and go up when it's down, we can clearly say that the price of Bitcoin is seasonal.

It obviously is normal to incur losses when you are trading or doing any kind of business, nothing can provide you with constant profits and you will surely have to face some hard times during the course of whatever you are doing.
what happens to Bitcoin is unpredictable. Even if it's called bear season or bull season, we can only make trading predictions and investment plans based on what's happening in the market.
simply those who invest in the market will buy when the market is in bear season. and sell it during the bull season. but that is not a guarantee someone will benefit. because seasonal periods as you said can never be predicted.
That's right, price of Bitcoin is unpredictable because if you do you would be rich now. We can only anticipate for long whenever the price goes back to the demand zone and anticipate for short whenever the price goes back to supply zone. Since we can't predict the next move of market, that doesn't mean we can't determine if it's now bullish or bearish. We have tools and knowledge to analyze the market if it really bearish or bullish, by doing that you can increase the chance that the market is really bearish or bullish.
all analyzes are based solely on the opportunities of each person's analysis, so it would be natural if there were differences in analysis, and no one knows which analysis is correct, therefore sticking to personal analysis will be better. actually trading is only risk management, so it is very possible for us to experience losses, but what percentage of losses must we set according to our analysis. that way we have to find a way to get a bigger percentage of profits

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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

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May 30, 2023, 12:43:32 PM
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It's normal for a trader to experience losses because no one can predict the market and even profitable traders agree that. But there are many traders who win a lot in a bullish market rather bearish. Here in crypto, if the market is bullish you can possibly earn multiple of your capital and can be up to 50x or 100x, it happened in year 2021. A lot of traders even newbie traders are getting rich because most of their strat are working since the market direction was always going up. But when bearish came up they disappear.
Aside from that, I only base on my analysis in the chart, I won't say Bitcoin is seasonal.
In the sense that it has bearish and bullish trends that occur at different times in different years, we can call Bitcoin seasonal. Maybe it doesn't have a fixed season when it goes up or goes down, but since it is volatile and it is always likely to go down when it's up and go up when it's down, we can clearly say that the price of Bitcoin is seasonal.

It obviously is normal to incur losses when you are trading or doing any kind of business, nothing can provide you with constant profits and you will surely have to face some hard times during the course of whatever you are doing.
what happens to Bitcoin is unpredictable. Even if it's called bear season or bull season, we can only make trading predictions and investment plans based on what's happening in the market.
simply those who invest in the market will buy when the market is in bear season. and sell it during the bull season. but that is not a guarantee someone will benefit. because seasonal periods as you said can never be predicted.
That's right, price of Bitcoin is unpredictable because if you do you would be rich now. We can only anticipate for long whenever the price goes back to the demand zone and anticipate for short whenever the price goes back to supply zone. Since we can't predict the next move of market, that doesn't mean we can't determine if it's now bullish or bearish. We have tools and knowledge to analyze the market if it really bearish or bullish, by doing that you can increase the chance that the market is really bearish or bullish.
all analyzes are based solely on the opportunities of each person's analysis, so it would be natural if there were differences in analysis, and no one knows which analysis is correct, therefore sticking to personal analysis will be better. actually trading is only risk management, so it is very possible for us to experience losses, but what percentage of losses must we set according to our analysis. that way we have to find a way to get a bigger percentage of profits
I concur that we have different analysis in the market, but I'm sure that some of us have the same strategy because we ourselves can't make it on our own. We can enhanced the strategy that we get from others base on the data we got in our backtesting. And ofcourse we have to stick to our strategy especially if this has higher win rate.
Aside from that, I might not agree that trading is only risk management because it will only helps us to make our funds increase it's longevity. So with a low win rate strategy, still couldn't make you profitable.

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May 31, 2023, 09:06:39 AM
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I think experts become experts by studying and experience. If you study how to be a great trader and if you keep on trading, then you are going to end up with something good eventually, there is no other way around it, that's how people become rich.

However, if you want to find a quick way to get rich, no matter how much time you spend, you will not become rich because that's not how it works. It should be remembered that bitcoin is volatile and there are so many ways to make money if you are a trader, but if you want to do it well then you need to spend some time on it if you want to make some money. I understand that there are a lot of people who will, but I am worried about all the people who won't be understanding this concept and just think bitcoin is a way to get rich quick.
I agree that it requires countless hours studying and trading in order to become good, too many people hope to see some other person do all of it for them and end up with a good return, but the reality is that it is not going to happen and you are going to end up losing it if you are not careful.

I think checking what others are doing and what you should be doing based on what they are doing is as wrong as it gets and you should be avoiding that if possible. Too many people are acting as if they are going to end up with a problem and we all know that they are not going to do that at all. I think the best thing to do would be having some sort of personal approach and just work hard to become like the people who you wanted to follow, you can do it, everyone can, it just requires hard work that's it.

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May 31, 2023, 11:23:37 AM
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I think experts become experts by studying and experience. If you study how to be a great trader and if you keep on trading, then you are going to end up with something good eventually, there is no other way around it, that's how people become rich.

However, if you want to find a quick way to get rich, no matter how much time you spend, you will not become rich because that's not how it works. It should be remembered that bitcoin is volatile and there are so many ways to make money if you are a trader, but if you want to do it well then you need to spend some time on it if you want to make some money. I understand that there are a lot of people who will, but I am worried about all the people who won't be understanding this concept and just think bitcoin is a way to get rich quick.
I agree that it requires countless hours studying and trading in order to become good, too many people hope to see some other person do all of it for them and end up with a good return, but the reality is that it is not going to happen and you are going to end up losing it if you are not careful.

I think checking what others are doing and what you should be doing based on what they are doing is as wrong as it gets and you should be avoiding that if possible. Too many people are acting as if they are going to end up with a problem and we all know that they are not going to do that at all. I think the best thing to do would be having some sort of personal approach and just work hard to become like the people who you wanted to follow, you can do it, everyone can, it just requires hard work that's it.

And this is a truth. Not positive thinking to boost you up. Trading is a long game. Longer than you first imagine having a lambo in our first month. That's a false expectation. To have the luxury you must pay the price and that is where the long hours in front of the screen, backtesting, reading price, journaling, chasing your own dark side, risk management, capital preservation, risk. It will take years to fully grasp the concept of your trading. You must have your OWN trading plan. Not relying too much on a signal service. When beginners see the real thing, they see it as how hard it is. Only strong ones perceiver and go with goals and their vision. Trading will require and demand a lot of yourself.  So are you willing to pay the price?

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May 31, 2023, 12:42:37 PM
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Last month my trade was great, I make some dooh but this month is cashloss experiment. I don't really understand the mystical magic behind the technological process of this trading as if someone or something is regulating the system. The system dash you small cash this week and collect big cash from you next week. Is not sweet to bear big loss than gain,  and this things happens anytime the market looks like bitcoin wants to boom.

I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.

many markets can be seasonal, meaning that their demand and activity levels fluctuate throughout the year based on various factors such as weather, holidays, and cultural events. Seasonality is a common characteristic of industries like tourism, agriculture, retail, and entertainment, among others

I'd like the fact that we can understand that the cryptocurrency market is seasonal which means there are peak and off times that we are expected to invest or not to invest in the market base on what we can study or discover about cryptocurrency, but in cryptocurrency, we don't depends on all the occasional experience to have their own seasonal experience eince cryptocurrency is a different entire system from the traditional economy and system
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I'd like the fact that we can understand that the cryptocurrency market is seasonal which means there are peak and off times that we are expected to invest or not to invest in the market base on what we can study or discover about cryptocurrency, but in cryptocurrency, we don't depends on all the occasional experience to have their own seasonal experience eince cryptocurrency is a different entire system from the traditional economy and system
I do think that it would be something special for a lot of people who understands what's going on. But at the same time it could be very well used for trap as well. Like for example we all know that 2024 will be halving, so that means the price will go up a bit more compared to right now, probably somewhere 35-40 range, and then from 2024 halving to a year later, for a full year it will try to beat the ATH price and go higher.

That is how it has been for a long time and we are expecting that to happen all over again. Will it? I have no idea about, maybe it would happen or maybe it won't happen and I have no idea which one will be, everyone thinks it will, but what if it's a trap? What if it goes up in 2024 and down at 2025? We really do not know and it could be anything.

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
The sooner people understood that "there is no expert trader," the better. I wonder how a trader develops the notion that he would make more gains than losses in a market over which he has no influence over.
The crypto market is like that for short-term investors; you might win and lose. However, long-term investors are on the side of profits during market booms(always preferred over short-term).

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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
That's how trading works, even how expert you are or how experienced you are in trading, you can't always be profitable or always a 100% guaranteed winner.
That's why there are a lot of personalities or influencers on the different social media that are only showing their winners to get the attention of some people.

Overall, you must always think long term and how you preserve your capital.
Yes, I prefer long trade instead of day trading so that I can have plenty of time in other things that worth to be work with. Even in long term trading we should check the charts first  to make sure that we are dealing with a good coin that could be a beneficial for us in the long run and long time. We should learn to make DCA as well when starting to trade for long term even for day trade it is still okay because market is volatile.
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June 03, 2023, 03:20:07 PM
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I see that there is no complete expert trader, at a point everyone experience loss both robots. That's means the market is kind of seasonal, it can favor you today and hit you tomorrow.
The sooner people understood that "there is no expert trader," the better. I wonder how a trader develops the notion that he would make more gains than losses in a market over which he has no influence over.
The crypto market is like that for short-term investors; you might win and lose. However, long-term investors are on the side of profits during market booms(always preferred over short-term).
Obviously long term investing is something that is more risky than short term or trading. But back to the coin where we invest, if we invest in the wrong coin, it will still make us lose even though we are doing it in the long term. We have to really invest in the best coins, and bitcoin is a very good coin for long term investment.
Indeed, it takes a long time for us to get the maximum profit, but it is worth what we get later. In contrast to trading, even though we can get profits in a short time, the risks also go hand in hand.

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