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July 01, 2023, 09:42:55 PM
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Casinos are out for business and would never allow all gamblers to win the house edge using AI. The moment the casino noticed this,they will also get an AI that will counter the gamblers game to make sure that they still stay profitable as usual. It is human that generates AI,so it will also be easy for casinos to get their own AI which will favor the house edge. A gambler can never be smarter than the casino,that is why we find it difficult to have a 5 straight wins. Casinos are into business and will never allow a gambler to kick them out of business.
And that means there will be competition between the AI of casinos and gamblers using it, so we will see which AI will win. But it looks like the AI of the casino will win because the casino will try to maintain its business well and anticipate losses. Again, the casino owns the business while the gambler is the player gambling in the casino business. And even if there are players who win, the winnings will not be as big as what the casino will get. It will become even more interesting when such an AI is launched and used by both casinos and players. Perhaps, in a few years, something big will happen in artificial intelligence.
That is a logical conclusion surely, the casino AI will win the battle since there is a house edge factor by their side. I doubt anyone can be smart enough to use AI for beating the house edge. Casino games have some variables that show when and how much players can win. These seeds are created in the perfect math formulas and no matter which tool the players use it is impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. Just my 2 cents.

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July 02, 2023, 11:45:19 AM
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That is a logical conclusion surely, the casino AI will win the battle since there is a house edge factor by their side. I doubt anyone can be smart enough to use AI for beating the house edge. Casino games have some variables that show when and how much players can win. These seeds are created in the perfect math formulas and no matter which tool the players use it is impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. Just my 2 cents.
I also think about what you said because casinos don't want their business to lose because of the wins of players who use AI. A casino can do a lot to keep winning, and we know that the casino will win. But maybe some gamblers have successfully used AI to beat the house edge but not many. But it's still the casino that will win because many gamblers will experience defeat in the long run.
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July 02, 2023, 07:40:15 PM
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Casinos are out for business and would never allow all gamblers to win the house edge using AI. The moment the casino noticed this,they will also get an AI that will counter the gamblers game to make sure that they still stay profitable as usual. It is human that generates AI,so it will also be easy for casinos to get their own AI which will favor the house edge. A gambler can never be smarter than the casino,that is why we find it difficult to have a 5 straight wins. Casinos are into business and will never allow a gambler to kick them out of business.
And that means there will be competition between the AI of casinos and gamblers using it, so we will see which AI will win. But it looks like the AI of the casino will win because the casino will try to maintain its business well and anticipate losses. Again, the casino owns the business while the gambler is the player gambling in the casino business. And even if there are players who win, the winnings will not be as big as what the casino will get. It will become even more interesting when such an AI is launched and used by both casinos and players. Perhaps, in a few years, something big will happen in artificial intelligence.
With the rapid advancement of AI, an amateur could have access to predictive models just as sophisticated as the casino's, if not more so. Now, what if the gambler isn't aiming to outwit the casino's AI but to understand it? As Sun Tzu said, "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." Therefore, the real intrigue lies not in the conflict, but in the evolution of the strategies employed. Moreover, let's not forget the importance of regulation in this impending era of "AI warfare." For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. As casinos refine their AI, authorities must simultaneously adapt their regulations to ensure fair play and protect the vulnerable.

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July 02, 2023, 08:09:43 PM
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Casinos are out for business and would never allow all gamblers to win the house edge using AI. The moment the casino noticed this,they will also get an AI that will counter the gamblers game to make sure that they still stay profitable as usual. It is human that generates AI,so it will also be easy for casinos to get their own AI which will favor the house edge. A gambler can never be smarter than the casino, that is why we find it difficult to have 5 straight wins. Casinos are into business and will never allow a gambler to kick them out of business.
And that means there will be competition between the AI of casinos and gamblers using it, so we will see which AI will win. But it looks like the AI of the casino will win because the casino will try to maintain its business well and anticipate losses. Again, the casino owns the business while the gambler is the player gambling in the casino business. And even if there are players who win, the winnings will not be as big as what the casino will get. It will become even more interesting when such an AI is launched and used by both casinos and players. Perhaps, in a few years, something big will happen in artificial intelligence.
That is a logical conclusion surely, the casino AI will win the battle since there is a house edge factor by their side. I doubt anyone can be smart enough to use AI for beating the house edge. Casino games have some variables that show when and how much players can win. These seeds are created in the perfect math formulas and no matter which tool the players use it is impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. Just my 2 cents.
Exactly the point,  the casinos are out for business so at that there will always have a mechanism in place to constantly put the casino at advantage against the player,  and if AI ever gets a hedge over the casino system,  there will surely ban any account that is associated with the usage of the AI.

So ultimately,  AI won't record any success against the casino and at that, we must build a conclusion around that reality
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July 02, 2023, 08:25:49 PM
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That is a logical conclusion surely, the casino AI will win the battle since there is a house edge factor by their side. I doubt anyone can be smart enough to use AI for beating the house edge. Casino games have some variables that show when and how much players can win. These seeds are created in the perfect math formulas and no matter which tool the players use it is impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. Just my 2 cents.
I also think about what you said because casinos don't want their business to lose because of the wins of players who use AI. A casino can do a lot to keep winning, and we know that the casino will win. But maybe some gamblers have successfully used AI to beat the house edge but not many. But it's still the casino that will win because many gamblers will experience defeat in the long run.

Following that, Casino will continue making money from other gamblers who use their services if, in case, a lucky gambler wins. That's being setup when starting the system. Casino's house edge gave them the upper-hand, whatever happens that cut from each gambling activity of each gambler is an automatic money making system for every casino owners.

That money or earning is also the edge to use in creating counter system if ever there's emerging updates that they need, to make sure that they are still safe from any strategy that AI may give to every gambler.

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July 02, 2023, 08:54:48 PM
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An AI is not your average piece of software, it is true that software created by humans cannot do anything which is outside of its programming, however an AI is different, think of it as a piece of software that evolves on its own, so once it finds out something which does not fit its model instead of just skipping it and do nothing about it, it will include on its model the next time it analyzes the data it has seen, which is what makes AI so powerful to solve difficult problems which would be almost impossible to solve for your average programmer.
The question is can it truly evolve on its own, can AI actually act outside what is written in its programming codes?
I doubt the possibility of that and if we must be sincere to ourselves we should already know that several limitations come with this development, there is no doubt that it is relatively new and the world is embracing it as one of the developments that will really revolutionize the way tasks are accomplished.
But what place the AI will occupy in the gambling market is what we can not ascertain in reality.
I know it sounds odd but that is just the way it is, AI algorithms are widely known and you can find them on most books about the topic or even the internet, and when you look at them at first they do not seem to do much, however by processing the data beforehand and then giving this data to the AI, the AI can develop models about almost any problem at hand, that being said there are different AI models as each one of them is better at solving a particular kind of problem.

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July 02, 2023, 08:58:20 PM
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That is a logical conclusion surely, the casino AI will win the battle since there is a house edge factor by their side. I doubt anyone can be smart enough to use AI for beating the house edge. Casino games have some variables that show when and how much players can win. These seeds are created in the perfect math formulas and no matter which tool the players use it is impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. Just my 2 cents.
I also think about what you said because casinos don't want their business to lose because of the wins of players who use AI. A casino can do a lot to keep winning, and we know that the casino will win. But maybe some gamblers have successfully used AI to beat the house edge but not many. But it's still the casino that will win because many gamblers will experience defeat in the long run.
AI will not be able to beat the casino but AI can help a little to take money from gambling with betting results using AI predictions and in history no casino has gone bankrupt.
From this it is very clear that even though AI will continue to be developed and perfected, casinos are always more perfect than gamblers who use AI.
Like you have a lot of valuables in your house and you cover all the gaps that can allow thieves to enter your house to take the valuables you have.

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July 03, 2023, 08:32:49 AM
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I don't know how this makes sense. Being able to modify horses? I don't know what they are trying to do here. You invest in your horse to make it more capable of winning for ages and someone comes with a huge stack of money and upgrade their horse better than you and not to mention overnight. And he wins it all. And what if the platform has already programmed the AI in a way that winning is so tough? I don't know man, seems like a scam to me. The more you have, the more you will get. This is the vibe I am getting from this.
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July 03, 2023, 05:02:47 PM
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With the rapid advancement of AI, an amateur could have access to predictive models just as sophisticated as the casino's, if not more so. Now, what if the gambler isn't aiming to outwit the casino's AI but to understand it? As Sun Tzu said, "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." Therefore, the real intrigue lies not in the conflict, but in the evolution of the strategies employed. Moreover, let's not forget the importance of regulation in this impending era of "AI warfare." For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. As casinos refine their AI, authorities must simultaneously adapt their regulations to ensure fair play and protect the vulnerable.
Whatever happens, will influence the decisions in making regulations from regulators or authorities, and both casinos and gamblers must comply. It would be fine if a gambler aims to understand casino AI so he knows how it works and how to beat it even if it looks hard. At least he'll know how to stop in time and not lose too much money. But maybe most gamblers will be more curious about casino AI, especially if they lose a few rounds, and make them continue playing gambling to find out how to beat the casino AI.

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Following that, Casino will continue making money from other gamblers who use their services if, in case, a lucky gambler wins. That's being setup when starting the system. Casino's house edge gave them the upper-hand, whatever happens that cut from each gambling activity of each gambler is an automatic money making system for every casino owners.

That money or earning is also the edge to use in creating counter system if ever there's emerging updates that they need, to make sure that they are still safe from any strategy that AI may give to every gambler.
And while some gamblers have been able to win against the casino using AI, there will surely be more gamblers who have lost, so the casino is still the winner. Maybe another day, it's us who lose, and someone else wins a lot of money from the casino, and that's what gambling is like. So with or without AI in the future, the winners will alternate, and we won't always be able to be winners.

But I'm still waiting for what kind of AI will be used by gamblers and casinos and what kind of fight between gambler AI and casino AI will be like. That will be interesting to look forward to, and in the meantime, we can continue gambling as usual.

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AI will not be able to beat the casino but AI can help a little to take money from gambling with betting results using AI predictions and in history no casino has gone bankrupt.
From this it is very clear that even though AI will continue to be developed and perfected, casinos are always more perfect than gamblers who use AI.
Like you have a lot of valuables in your house and you cover all the gaps that can allow thieves to enter your house to take the valuables you have.
It's okay if AI can only help us to take a little money from the casino. And as long as we are not greedy for more money, I think from that small amount, we can increase the balance in our gambling account up to the minimum limit set by the casino to withdraw the money. After all, by doing so, it can help us reduce the number of losses at gambling, and we may have more time to accumulate profit after profit until it's time to withdraw all the winning money.

And yes, AI will continue to be developed along with new technologies that will be developed as well. We may only be spectators of the use of AI, but we can also be users of AI. So we can only keep a limited amount of money to gamble because that's the most important of all.
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That is a logical conclusion surely, the casino AI will win the battle since there is a house edge factor by their side. I doubt anyone can be smart enough to use AI for beating the house edge. Casino games have some variables that show when and how much players can win. These seeds are created in the perfect math formulas and no matter which tool the players use it is impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. Just my 2 cents.
I also think about what you said because casinos don't want their business to lose because of the wins of players who use AI. A casino can do a lot to keep winning, and we know that the casino will win. But maybe some gamblers have successfully used AI to beat the house edge but not many. But it's still the casino that will win because many gamblers will experience defeat in the long run.
Because of the revenue generation motive of the casino, to make it more impossible for the players under whatever guise to defeat the casino and this is why most bots are detected long before their even think of winning a bet from the casino.

And I am sure that in the case of AI, it won't see any positive outcome in the long run since AI is already a well-known development and casinos know it's potential and strength so there will prepare for its possible usage in their casino.
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July 04, 2023, 02:44:25 AM
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It's true that there is a growing fascination with the field, and many individuals are eager to learn and understand its concepts and applications. AI programming can be complex but I usually think that there is not anything worthwhile that is not really challenging. If anyone can make it, I am not really interested because I add no value with my time.

It is a fact that when we see something that has to do with AI, it calls our attention to see what improvement it brings or what update can come, but for now things are not that advanced, I have always said that when it comes to AI, It needs a lot of development, you don't have to be dazzled by a little, until now I haven't seen real things being done, everything has been in a world of simulations, simulations that serve to give an idea of how we should do it in order to understand what is coming , sometimes they can be things that we do not expect, like they replace certain people in jobs, or that they do more advanced things, but when it comes to casinos, what one expects is to see who makes an AI that makes them earn a lot of money, Which is far from Happening.

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That is a logical conclusion surely, the casino AI will win the battle since there is a house edge factor by their side. I doubt anyone can be smart enough to use AI for beating the house edge. Casino games have some variables that show when and how much players can win. These seeds are created in the perfect math formulas and no matter which tool the players use it is impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. Just my 2 cents.
I also think about what you said because casinos don't want their business to lose because of the wins of players who use AI. A casino can do a lot to keep winning, and we know that the casino will win. But maybe some gamblers have successfully used AI to beat the house edge but not many. But it's still the casino that will win because many gamblers will experience defeat in the long run.
Because of the revenue generation motive of the casino, to make it more impossible for the players under whatever guise to defeat the casino and this is why most bots are detected long before their even think of winning a bet from the casino.

And I am sure that in the case of AI, it won't see any positive outcome in the long run since AI is already a well-known development and casinos know it's potential and strength so there will prepare for its possible usage in their casino.

According to you, I know that casinos have been making predictions regarding AI for a long time, the robots that they can implement from an account can be obvious, I'm sure they have already done a lot of tests to see if they can make some profit, It could be said that the development of AI is advancing much faster in other areas that have nothing to do with sports betting or casino games, although to be honest I would like that AI could be perfect enough for the medical cases, such as brain, hand, and spine surgeries, which are the most complicated.

In the case of casinos, I think that things could take much longer, there is no algorithm that is efficient against the gaming system, something is not clear, I think that it is not impossible for an AI to decipher it, but in my opinion it still they have a long way to go.

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July 04, 2023, 10:27:27 AM
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That is a logical conclusion surely, the casino AI will win the battle since there is a house edge factor by their side. I doubt anyone can be smart enough to use AI for beating the house edge. Casino games have some variables that show when and how much players can win. These seeds are created in the perfect math formulas and no matter which tool the players use it is impossible to beat the house edge in the long run. Just my 2 cents.
I also think about what you said because casinos don't want their business to lose because of the wins of players who use AI. A casino can do a lot to keep winning, and we know that the casino will win. But maybe some gamblers have successfully used AI to beat the house edge but not many. But it's still the casino that will win because many gamblers will experience defeat in the long run.
Because of the revenue generation motive of the casino, to make it more impossible for the players under whatever guise to defeat the casino and this is why most bots are detected long before their even think of winning a bet from the casino.

And I am sure that in the case of AI, it won't see any positive outcome in the long run since AI is already a well-known development and casinos know it's potential and strength so there will prepare for its possible usage in their casino.

That's the point, casino developers together with owner already knew about this technology even there's potential that AI will be able to make a good analysis of the chance that developers will be able to counter that and make an adjustment to make sure that they will have the edge against the gamblers.

Expect that there's some that will make some decent benefits if they will quietly use it and not to be abused to avoid the house radar.

Just an opinion to me, as I speculate that there are some gamblers who are also good at trying to maximize the use of AI but also anticipate the secureness of the house.

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I don't know how this makes sense. Being able to modify horses? I don't know what they are trying to do here. You invest in your horse to make it more capable of winning for ages and someone comes with a huge stack of money and upgrade their horse better than you and not to mention overnight. And he wins it all. And what if the platform has already programmed the AI in a way that winning is so tough? I don't know man, seems like a scam to me. The more you have, the more you will get. This is the vibe I am getting from this.
Yes and in the end the person who has the most money is the winner because of course he can with his money modify his horse to look better so that it becomes expensive and wins against cheaper horses, but whatever it is a game that relies on AI is also not very fun because there is no the challenges in the game are carried out especially against AI and using AI technology.

Anyway whatever the OP said doesn't look that interesting discussing AI horses vs real horses too far to think the technology looks advanced for now but not sure that there will ever see this kind of game development taking place on a betting platform. because it clearly looks complicated and not fun, trust me it looks like crap

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July 04, 2023, 01:09:53 PM
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Because of the revenue generation motive of the casino, to make it more impossible for the players under whatever guise to defeat the casino and this is why most bots are detected long before their even think of winning a bet from the casino.

And I am sure that in the case of AI, it won't see any positive outcome in the long run since AI is already a well-known development and casinos know it's potential and strength so there will prepare for its possible usage in their casino.
Well, it could be that the casino can detect gamblers who use bots with the excuse of winning lots of gambling games so that the casino will block the gambler's account or even delete their account. But we don't know if the development of bots or AI that will be used by gamblers can also be detected by casinos or if it will take time for casinos to find them. But what is clear, the casino will always supervise all of its members and if they find a member using a bot or any type of AI that violates the rules, the casino will apply a penalty to the gambler.
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Well, it could be that the casino can detect gamblers who use bots with the excuse of winning lots of gambling games so that the casino will block the gambler's account or even delete their account. But we don't know if the development of bots or AI that will be used by gamblers can also be detected by casinos or if it will take time for casinos to find them. But what is clear, the casino will always supervise all of its members and if they find a member using a bot or any type of AI that violates the rules, the casino will apply a penalty to the gambler.
The best way to develop AI or bots for the purpose of winning casino games is definitely still lacking because casino games are designed to be difficult for gamblers to win even though they use artificial intelligence like AI.
Moreover, if gamblers use AI and are detected, the casino will also provide sanctions commensurate with these actions and of course in the future the casinos will not remain silent and develop bots to detect fraudulent activities using AI carried out by gamblers.

But for some reason, until now I have never been able to believe in Al or bots that can help gamblers to win games in the casino.

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July 04, 2023, 07:01:01 PM
 #416

Many gamblers are now relying on AIs because of the hype but there are still no consistent winning testimonies that exist regarding their experiences. AIs have an edge when it comes to advanced technology services but they can't still surpass human intelligence.
However, we can't disregard the fact that if they would be more developed in the future, they could still be used successfully and effectively in gambling but in case that happens, I'm sure that casinos won't allow it and they will put restrictions on any proven gambling activities involving AIs for they will not allow anything that will beat the house edge.
Apart from sports betting and Poker, AI cannot be used for any other gambling game because all of them are based on pure luck, even if an AI is used, it will only be used to make bets with a base bet amount set by its human commander and I don't really see any advantage in that except it will automate the process of your gambling if you find it exhausting which is not really the case since it is always fun to gamble and play some slots.

And when it comes to sports betting, AI can only be used to assist you in doing some research and analysis on the teams and players involved in a match so that you can have a more clear picture of what the competition will look like and which side is stronger so that you can bet on it.

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July 04, 2023, 08:42:14 PM
 #417

Many gamblers are now relying on AIs because of the hype but there are still no consistent winning testimonies that exist regarding their experiences. AIs have an edge when it comes to advanced technology services but they can't still surpass human intelligence.
However, we can't disregard the fact that if they would be more developed in the future, they could still be used successfully and effectively in gambling but in case that happens, I'm sure that casinos won't allow it and they will put restrictions on any proven gambling activities involving AIs for they will not allow anything that will beat the house edge.
Apart from sports betting and Poker, AI cannot be used for any other gambling game because all of them are based on pure luck, even if an AI is used, it will only be used to make bets with a base bet amount set by its human commander and I don't really see any advantage in that except it will automate the process of your gambling if you find it exhausting which is not really the case since it is always fun to gamble and play some slots.

And when it comes to sports betting, AI can only be used to assist you in doing some research and analysis on the teams and players involved in a match so that you can have a more clear picture of what the competition will look like and which side is stronger so that you can bet on it.

If we consider the game of Blackjack, then it combines both luck (which is perfectly controlled by mathematics) and skill. And if you know the theory of games, you can manage this luck. Understand how the deck is "overheated". This is exactly what an AI with the abilities of the best mathematicians can perfectly cope with. And at a long distance, the AI will be able to tilt the winnings in its direction. Only the casino will not let you use this feature for a long time, even if someone can bring it to life. The casino is watching every player who starts to win steadily, and will find a way to prevent him.

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July 04, 2023, 09:30:16 PM
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Well, it could be that the casino can detect gamblers who use bots with the excuse of winning lots of gambling games so that the casino will block the gambler's account or even delete their account. But we don't know if the development of bots or AI that will be used by gamblers can also be detected by casinos or if it will take time for casinos to find them. But what is clear, the casino will always supervise all of its members and if they find a member using a bot or any type of AI that violates the rules, the casino will apply a penalty to the gambler.
The best way to develop AI or bots for the purpose of winning casino games is definitely still lacking because casino games are designed to be difficult for gamblers to win even though they use artificial intelligence like AI.
Moreover, if gamblers use AI and are detected, the casino will also provide sanctions commensurate with these actions and of course in the future, the casinos will not remain silent and develop bots to detect fraudulent activities using AI carried out by gamblers.

But for some reason, until now I have never been able to believe in Al or bots that can help gamblers to win games in the casino.
AI has proven to be inadequate or incapable to make of defeat for the casino's own designed probably fairs systems and even though the casino is still battling with the issues of bot activities in the casino it shows that the possibility for AI activities may be evident but the success of that is what we can not ascertain.
So gambling sites are always ahead of the player when it comes to development and upgrade and that is why their still in business.

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July 05, 2023, 04:57:54 AM
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Well, it could be that the casino can detect gamblers who use bots with the excuse of winning lots of gambling games so that the casino will block the gambler's account or even delete their account. But we don't know if the development of bots or AI that will be used by gamblers can also be detected by casinos or if it will take time for casinos to find them. But what is clear, the casino will always supervise all of its members and if they find a member using a bot or any type of AI that violates the rules, the casino will apply a penalty to the gambler.
The best way to develop AI or bots for the purpose of winning casino games is definitely still lacking because casino games are designed to be difficult for gamblers to win even though they use artificial intelligence like AI.
Moreover, if gamblers use AI and are detected, the casino will also provide sanctions commensurate with these actions and of course in the future, the casinos will not remain silent and develop bots to detect fraudulent activities using AI carried out by gamblers.

But for some reason, until now I have never been able to believe in Al or bots that can help gamblers to win games in the casino.
AI has proven to be inadequate or incapable to make of defeat for the casino's own designed probably fairs systems and even though the casino is still battling with the issues of bot activities in the casino it shows that the possibility for AI activities may be evident but the success of that is what we can not ascertain.
So gambling sites are always ahead of the player when it comes to development and upgrade and that is why their still in business.
That's right, but what amazes me is that there are still many gamblers who excel and use AI to win games or bets.
Whether they have proven they can win or not, I don't understand clearly.

Casinos were created to make money and of course there will continue to be developments from time to time so that casinos can always be ahead of gamblers so it has been proven that until now no gambler has been able to beat the casino.

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July 05, 2023, 11:45:32 AM
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The best way to develop AI or bots for the purpose of winning casino games is definitely still lacking because casino games are designed to be difficult for gamblers to win even though they use artificial intelligence like AI.
Moreover, if gamblers use AI and are detected, the casino will also provide sanctions commensurate with these actions and of course in the future the casinos will not remain silent and develop bots to detect fraudulent activities using AI carried out by gamblers.

But for some reason, until now I have never been able to believe in Al or bots that can help gamblers to win games in the casino.
We can only rely on our luck, but it's still not easy because we can't be sure when luck will come. And development for AI is still ongoing, so we also don't know when gamblers can use this AI. But the casino may have already started the development of an AI that will be used for its casino so that it can withstand the AI that gamblers will use. And perhaps now the casino has implemented identification of the use of AI or robots by gamblers so that if a gambler uses it, the casino will know about it and give a warning or block their account.
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