This guy gave a whole prototype of "how live roulette scam us"

[Synchronice]

Some of you guys here are a fan of conspiracy theories and at the same time weren't attending math lessons at school. Live casino game providers can't cheat because there work thousands of employees, they have cameras everywhere inside and famous casino companies aren't really looking for shady live casino game providers because they simply don't have a need of it. Mathematically, one zero in roulette already gives casinos an advantage, a guarantee that long-term they profit, that's all they need for success and to be in business forever.

So, if you often lose and aren't able to beat the house, that doesn't mean that live roulettes are scam, you have to analyze and understand that you have zero chance to win against it because of ZERO, this ZERO changes the fate of game. And there are roulette games with two zeros, don't expect any win especially from them.

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[Fivestar4everMVP]

Some of you guys here are a fan of conspiracy theories and at the same time weren't attending math lessons at school. Live casino game providers can't cheat because there work thousands of employees, they have cameras everywhere inside and famous casino companies aren't really looking for shady live casino game providers because they simply don't have a need of it. Mathematically, one zero in roulette already gives casinos an advantage, a guarantee that long-term they profit, that's all they need for success and to be in business forever.

So, if you often lose and aren't able to beat the house, that doesn't mean that live roulettes are scam, you have to analyze and understand that you have zero chance to win against it because of ZERO, this ZERO changes the fate of game. And there are roulette games with two zeros, don't expect any win especially from them.

If the chances of winning is zero, then what exactly is the reason why peeps are still playing the game?..

A man said to his mother, when money is involved in a deal, then don't trust anybody, the truth of the matter is that, anybody can cheat, and for some casinos, their desire to make more profit is sometimes higher than their desire to give their customers a fair game to play, this is why I still believe that its very possible for some game providers, casinos to cheat, most especially, on games where the majority of gamblers don't know the game mechanics or how it functions.

[decodx]

Well, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? Not all casinos are out to cheat their customers. However, that doesn't mean there aren't some bad apples in the casino industry who are out to cheat their customers. This risk may be particularly high with new casinos that lack a solid reputation or have dubious licenses and owners. One way to mitigate the risk is to look for casinos that are regulated by respected authorities and have a history of fair play.

[khaled0111]

but what type of game can prove fair because in my opinion all games are equal and are controlled by the house so it's difficult for us to win.

I'm not certain, but I don't think provably fair live games exist. I can't think of any pf algorithm that can be used in live games! This is why I said I usually avoid them since you need to trust the provider.
Nevertheless, there are many good and entertaining games (dice, crash, plinko,..) For which you can verify the fairness so you can play them without worrying about being cheated. Pf algorithms guarantee the house can't manipulate the results.

[Hamphser]

Some of you guys here are a fan of conspiracy theories and at the same time weren't attending math lessons at school. Live casino game providers can't cheat because there work thousands of employees, they have cameras everywhere inside and famous casino companies aren't really looking for shady live casino game providers because they simply don't have a need of it. Mathematically, one zero in roulette already gives casinos an advantage, a guarantee that long-term they profit, that's all they need for success and to be in business forever.

So, if you often lose and aren't able to beat the house, that doesn't mean that live roulettes are scam, you have to analyze and understand that you have zero chance to win against it because of ZERO, this ZERO changes the fate of game. And there are roulette games with two zeros, don't expect any win especially from them.

If the chances of winning is zero, then what exactly is the reason why peeps are still playing the game?..

A man said to his mother, when money is involved in a deal, then don't trust anybody, the truth of the matter is that, anybody can cheat, and for some casinos, their desire to make more profit is sometimes higher than their desire to give their customers a fair game to play, this is why I still believe that its very possible for some game providers, casinos to cheat, most especially, on games where the majority of gamblers don't know the game mechanics or how it functions.

They would really be taking out some advantage if ever they would see the success chance on integrating some shady acts on rigging up their games specially if they do saw that no one really being that suspicious in regards into their operation. We know that if we do pertain about on physical land based casinos on which these places are regulated by the government which they would really be having that kind of thinking or mindset and believing that these business are really that getting in line with government laws which means that fairness is already that been considered and understandable but since we do already have these kind of hint or showing off some possibilities on rigging up specially on roulette then for sure people would really be starting to be that observant.

In the other hand on which talking up generally where these business cant really be just that too confident on applying these rigging up on games because once they would really be caught
then it would really be over for their business which i dont see for it to be worth on doing this one.

[Chikito]

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

We cannot accuse the whole if only found one. it might be only a person so not for all. If I were you, I will only avoid the casino that you find it. As I know, Credible Casino has been audited and checked by officials, so if a casino commits fraud, the office will close the casino and withdraw all licenses, because of that the casino can't play around with cheating, whatever kind, they are under regulation country also which makes them close the casino operation if it harms the customer.

[adzino]

It's not impossible but it sounds pretty complex to be honest. One thing that always bugged me is the camera angles, they're kind a fishy sometimes and no one would notice if they do something behind the frame. Especially if its a live card game or wheel spinning games (there might be someone or something behind the wheel that can stop the wheel when they want). Live casinos already got a ton of users and they're making profits in the long run, right? So why would they risk their reputation for some small-time scams? Doesn't make much sense to me. I think they're more focused on keeping their players happy and coming back. Scamming their own customers is just s bad business.  If you are still concerned but want to play roulette, then play those that are provide inhouse games because they provably fiar and you can verify the bets if they were rigged or not.

[cafter]

I think this type of scam is possible when the casino there self run a roulette video means the live stream made my the own casino.

but most of the casino take video of live stream from game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc. so if they want to scam player they need to change video for there profit, but on trusted casino's the video runs live without cheating so it's safe to play at trusted online casino and from trusted game providers.

there are thousands of casino's available if the game provider's were cheaters then definitely they got caught, surely someone spread the news that that game provider is cheating with customers but proving gsame on our platform(casino)

[Fortify]

I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.


"The practice when the roulette balls are made of piezoeletric ceramiC.The material used is Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation.
The ball caries polarized surface charges when hit by anultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number.
They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge.
The spoon/ pocket  of the number olso negative; thereforethe ball jumps out trough electrostatic repulsion.
Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT.
This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged.
The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or of.
This is akk maneged by the sophisticated software and computers.
So that why you can see situation when the ball geteither pushed out violentely od sucked into the exact to a number.
I am positive you know that the ball stick to a number like a dart and also ball being pushed out from the pocket after almost completestop.
So this would be yes this technique could be possibly used to manipulate the outcome.
This is happening on you live dealer wheels."


do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

No doubt there will be some shady, backstreet physical casinos or even online "live" casinos that utilize such methods - it's always worth looking out for shady behavior but not that the average player would be able to distinguish it versus normal variance of the game. The fact is that this game is already geared towards the house, so all they need to do to make money is to let people play it and it will pay for itself. Taking out the cost of paying for a dealer (which might give the house some incentive to cheat if not enough bets are coming in) and replacing it with an automated system that could release the ball would give them even less incentive to cheat. Frankly, unless you own the casino or have permission from the regulator to check, you'll never be able to tell

[Betwrong]

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do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

Reputable game providers will never do things like that, that's what I'm sure of. Morals aside, they are making good money without cheating anyone, Why risk ruining their reputation?

Many gamblers "feel" that they are cheated by casinos, and so when there's a demand for this kind of info, there's going to be a supply.

There are many of online casinos cheating their customers, no doubt about that. But saying "we are showing ... exactly what's happening with online roulette", like this guy in the video, without adding "on some sites" or something like that,  makes this video looking more like a conspiracy theorists' stuff. I wasn't surprised by seeing this comment below the video



Yeah "Wake up peeps! The governments are cheating everybody!" Bloody hell. 

[btc78]

I think this type of scam is possible when the casino there self run a roulette video means the live stream made my the own casino.

but most of the casino take video of live stream from game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc. so if they want to scam player they need to change video for there profit, but on trusted casino's the video runs live without cheating so it's safe to play at trusted online casino and from trusted game providers.

there are thousands of casino's available if the game provider's were cheaters then definitely they got caught, surely someone spread the news that that game provider is cheating with customers but proving gsame on our platform(casino)

It is good that you cleared the theme and that is the cheating mostly happened in "Some Casino" and not the majority , as the game provider must be the one to be blamed if ever there is a uncommon things happened from the gaming.
but also correct that there are possible scam directly from the site if they are the one providing the live streaming.
so it supports the most posts here about this is not about site but the provider in which I agree since day one .

[Woodie]

From that youtube comment, and looking at the details of how its done... the person sounds well informed of what happens behind the scenes, and this information comes from his/her experience in the control room or from a manufactures point of view and I have no doubt that these games are manipulated because too much money goes into gambling and the house wants to secure its share and keep them in business.

Scamming through roulette is definitely possible. However, can I ask you to gamble a same size bet on all 36 numbers except 0 and see if the casino manages to bring up number 0 only in the very same game? If they do, can you please repeat it and see if they do it again in the next game too?

I have seen people go out with such a strategy and it looks like bad luck at first glance, but believe you me, when its not your day to win it won't happen, at least if the house doesn't want you to win anyway
I t actually gets worse with American roulete where we have two zeros....

I'm not favoring any casinos here and I know that such practices do take place in roulette, however not all of them would do it.  As well, it's not the casino specifically but the game provider that does this and if that's true, we should never play games from such game providers because they'll only try to loot your money by making you lose every single bet. Even in the game of cards (be it blackjack, poker, andar bahar, etc.) I have witnessed that most of the times, dealer wins. So it's possible that they have something behind the scenes that we don't know about.

agreed, not all do it but the bad apples ruin the name for all out the there..

Btw, If its not caught on camera or something these allegations will always fall on deaf ears and needs concrete evidence to prove the manipulation that's going on because non will ever agree.

[Webetcoins]

The guy's explanation is really convincing and I'm certain many live games are rigged, the problem is how to prove it!
Personally, I avoid playing games where I can't verify the results by myself. I either play provably fair games or sports betting and bet only on major leagues where there is a small chance for match fixing.
If you are a fun of live games then, at least, stick to the one from reputable providers.

I agree with you choosing to bet on types of bets that can be calculated by yourself, the results like sports betting will be better.
Yes there may be some manipulation on sports betting but it is very rare and betting on sports betting is one way to keep gambling safe.

Even if you think you can calculate the game, most of the times your calculation will still be off because if it doesn't then many gambling sites will close. In sports betting, you can do an analysis to increase your chances of winning. Many bettors still prefer it compare to the casino games because everything works in random there and past results won't help at all on predicting the future outcome of the game.

There is no such thing as safe gambling, and manipulations does happen in sports betting too. There are lots of them in lower leagues. It's just that many of them are hard to be spotted but it made sense because it will be a big problem if they will be discovered.

[BVeyron]

I watched a youtube video, a guy is showing how live roulette in online casinos scam us. after watching some part of video, i check the comment, and on 4th comment i found this guy telling how they scam us.


"The practice when the roulette balls are made of piezoeletric ceramiC.The material used is Barium Titanate BaTiO3 on the surface, and Barium sulfate BaSO4 on the inside insulation.
The ball caries polarized surface charges when hit by anultrasonic sound wave. This is sent from the inter- digital transducers placed in the pockets of each number.
They send a wave to the ball that polarizes the surface with a negative charge.
The spoon/ pocket  of the number olso negative; thereforethe ball jumps out trough electrostatic repulsion.
Each number pocket is controlled by a transistor called IGBT.
This transistor turn on the switch so that the pocket is negatively charged.
The control room computer leaves the pockets that it wants the ball to go in neutral or of.
This is akk maneged by the sophisticated software and computers.
So that why you can see situation when the ball geteither pushed out violentely od sucked into the exact to a number.
I am positive you know that the ball stick to a number like a dart and also ball being pushed out from the pocket after almost completestop.
So this would be yes this technique could be possibly used to manipulate the outcome.
This is happening on you live dealer wheels."

in comment of this video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rNhLySb0k

do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

Frauds in gambling have always been a problem. And launching gambling in the IT has widened the possibilities to deceive people. Roulette in casino is visible, and such tricks are more likely to be discovered by players standing close to it. And when the process goes in media, many fraud schemes are undiscoverable until leaks occur...

[Reatim]

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do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

Reputable game providers will never do things like that, that's what I'm sure of. Morals aside, they are making good money without cheating anyone, Why risk ruining their reputation?

indeed , that is why I believe that if there will be a casino site that will act like this are those desperately wanted to earn or those Fly By Night casino in which after gathering depositors and players? then they will gone like a wind.

Many gamblers "feel" that they are cheated by casinos, and so when there's a demand for this kind of info, there's going to be a supply.

I have experience something similar but that is when i was still new and know nothing from how scammers and legit casino operates.

There are many of online casinos cheating their customers, no doubt about that. But saying "we are showing ... exactly what's happening with online roulette", like this guy in the video, without adding "on some sites" or something like that,  makes this video looking more like a conspiracy theorists' stuff. I wasn't surprised by seeing this comment below the video

if this is true , then that guy should show which casino and he must stand with his accusation .

Yeah "Wake up peeps! The governments are cheating everybody!" Bloody hell.  

Hahaha  

[Betwrong]

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do you think, this is possible or they are already doing it? popular game providers like evolution, pragmatic, etc.

Reputable game providers will never do things like that, that's what I'm sure of. Morals aside, they are making good money without cheating anyone, Why risk ruining their reputation?

indeed , that is why I believe that if there will be a casino site that will act like this are those desperately wanted to earn or those Fly By Night casino in which after gathering depositors and players? then they will gone like a wind.

Many gamblers "feel" that they are cheated by casinos, and so when there's a demand for this kind of info, there's going to be a supply.

I have experience something similar but that is when i was still new and know nothing from how scammers and legit casino operates.

There are many of online casinos cheating their customers, no doubt about that. But saying "we are showing ... exactly what's happening with online roulette", like this guy in the video, without adding "on some sites" or something like that,  makes this video looking more like a conspiracy theorists' stuff. I wasn't surprised by seeing this comment below the video

if this is true , then that guy should show which casino and he must stand with his accusation .

Yeah "Wake up peeps! The governments are cheating everybody!" Bloody hell.  

Hahaha  

Thanks for your support mate!

Indeed, I'm tired of watching such videos, and it's even more annoying to see positive reaction to this garbage. 4k likes from losers that can't accept their losses without blaming someone!

And look at the pinned comment to the video:



A winning strategy for a totally luck-based game, FFS! What else do you need to see what kind of guy this RouletteMan is? But, no, some people just choose to be blind.

[wxa7115]

Thanks for your support mate!

Indeed, I'm tired of watching such videos, and it's even more annoying to see positive reaction to this garbage. 4k likes from losers that can't accept their losses without blaming someone!

And look at the pinned comment to the video:



A winning strategy for a totally luck-based game, FFS! What else do you need to see what kind of guy this RouletteMan is? But, no, some people just choose to be blind.

In a way this makes sense, if people came to accept the fact that they lost the money against a particular casino simply because that is how the games are designed to work and learn to move on, then how those which sell useless strategies are going to make money?

So they need to convince naive players that it is in fact possible to win in a luck based game, and some of the reasons that explain why this has not been the case yet is that they have been cheated and that they have yet to try the strategy they have created, reasons that we know are false but which will resonate with enough people so they keep trying those useless strategies.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

Well, that's a bit harsh, don't you think? Not all casinos are out to cheat their customers. However, that doesn't mean there aren't some bad apples in the casino industry who are out to cheat their customers. This risk may be particularly high with new casinos that lack a solid reputation or have dubious licenses and owners. One way to mitigate the risk is to look for casinos that are regulated by respected authorities and have a history of fair play.

    -  Yes, you are right on that point, it's just that sometimes even the license can be faked by the owner of a new casino here in the cryptocurrency business industry.

That's why the others are okay with spending money even if it's fake so they're sure there are many foolish gamblers to enter large amounts of money to gamble on their platform, because this is what other gambling owners think here in the crypto space that cryptos are based on players in gambling games here.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It is unlikely there was too much cheating on the early days of the roulette as the proposed method on the OP is very complex and could only be achieved with the use of modern technology, and even then I doubt there are many casinos which are doing something like this, because if they were discovered then no one will ever play there.

It is better we use a good casino. You said the cheating can be achieved with the use of modern technology? A remote can be used to control TV channels and TV itself, how much are the remotes sold? Not costly at all but cheap to afford. We are in a modern world too, not old era.

But as I was watching the YouTube video, it is like the ball moved abnormally which can make me suspect cheating.

Cheating on the old days most likely was done in gambling games like blackjack or baccarat, as sleights of hand which are completely imperceptible to the eye have existed for a very long time.

Even it is possible that cheating can occur on real life roulette table. Only sport that I know that cheating may not occur, and that is when you go for big leagues that can not be fixed and manipulated. But I still prefer casinos as they have far bigger odds.

There are somethings we need to pay a very careful attention to while gambling, user's experience which us very important because when they don't get their desired need meant, they will not return again, when a casino or slot game tend to have tendencies for scam or gamblers begin to suspect some unusual activities from what they offer, they take a leave because they get scammed, thesame way gamblers scam them they also scam gamblers if they got hacked or loose control of their security against scam.

I think that detecting that a slot machine is fraudulent is something very difficult to prove, as far as I am concerned I have never focused on winning in them, because it is something that I see as very difficult, I only play them to de-stress, and if I lose then I accept it And now, there is no possibility that I can claim, first because I like them, I enjoy them, I don't play them to make money, in case I win, I wouldn't feel bad, but I don't expect lastragmoands to gnar like for example when I play another game like poker. black jack or similar.

[decodx]

Yes, you are right on that point, it's just that sometimes even the license can be faked by the owner of a new casino here in the cryptocurrency business industry.

Yes, you are right on that point, I've seen some scams trying to do that. That's why it's important to check for licensing, read reviews, and verify the site is trusted and safe. But honestly, some people don't care about all that. They just want to gamble and don't care if it's fake or not. It's sad, but true.

That's why the others are okay with spending money even if it's fake so they're sure there are many foolish gamblers to enter large amounts of money to gamble on their platform, because this is what other gambling owners think here in the crypto space that cryptos are based on players in gambling games here.

I think the problem is that many people are attracted to the anonymity and lack of regulation in the crypto space, which makes it easier for shady operators to take advantage of them. I'm not sure if such people are foolish or just naive and uninformed... One thing's for sure, we need to be vigilant and stay informed about the casinos we're playing at. Don't let greed blind us and always be aware of the risks involved in gambling, especially in the volatile crypto space.