Wearing Double signature (Shan85)

[aioc]

What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY

Just do it don't just say you are ready because you don't deserve that money, the nerve that you're still holding that money that comes from cheating if you are not caught you will continue to do this and you will not stop, I read your long alibi, and it doesn't go well with the community because it's hard to support who intentionally cheat.
You have to repent, return all the money, and change your way.

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[lovesmayfamilis]

In order to refund your payment, you must communicate with the manager. it gives responsible morals. but it won't clear your error. maybe the negative tag will still be in your account.

I will support the flag.

I am sure that he will never refund the amount to the managers whom he tried to scam by changing the signatures and getting double payments in the signature campaigns.

For a person to refund the money, he needs to be morally very sound but a scammer and a thief have no moral values and therefore there is no chance he will refund anything. Good thing is that he is caught and his dirty act has come to the conclusion.

After such a huge number of alternative accounts, I think it is not appropriate to talk about moral qualities at all. Hiding behind poverty and religion, he spreads his accounts in arithmetic progression. I'm sure he still has a bunch of live, untouched negative trust profiles. You can check that some of them are waking up today; I think the owner is checking the ones with which he can continue his "path". Looking at how the accounts in the Pakistani section exchange merit regularly, it is not surprising that even a new account with this scammer will grow very quickly.
It is a pity that there is no ban on a certain number of IP addresses on the forum. This would greatly complicate the lives of scammers.

[Josefjix]

What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY

Just do it don't just say you are ready because you don't deserve that money, the nerve that you're still holding that money that comes from cheating if you are not caught you will continue to do this and you will not stop, I read your long alibi, and it doesn't go well with the community because it's hard to support who intentionally cheat.
You have to repent, return all the money, and change your way.

He knows his reputation is already ruined, and there is no way those negative feedbacks will be revised, and even if his reputation does improve, neither of these managers will let him participate in any of their campaigns again, so his chances of getting into a signature campaign again are almost nil.


Is his faith against his word now, return the money and seek Allah's forgiveness

[Findingnemo]

 Is there a way that a Manager will be notified as soon as a Participant of the campaign removes the signature even just for a second?

Forum doesn't have such feature so its the sole responsibility of the campaign participants and managers to keep their words. Lot of members are running for a spot in a signature campaign but someone like mentioned in OP abused the given opportunity now everything gone and gone forever.

What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY

If it happened mistakenly for a week then you can logically explain and refund one bounty reward from former campaign but it looks like you intentionally did since it was happening for 3 weeks as far as I read the replies of others here so you were changing the signature back and forth at the payment date to ensure you get paid from both campaigns so its unacceptable and you will be not trusted anymore in this forum.

[AB de Royse777]

What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY

Good to know.
Here is the address to refund 0.00422361 BTC

Code:

bc1qj8l4kgmy8hy8qa2cxyjunh5qgzc0nkzext2tvx

[LogitechMouse]

What happened:: The user (Shan85) wearing both signatures of Duelbits signature as well as signature of BetterCallRaul (each before receiving the payment.

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY

I wonder if you will really do it knowing that there's a possibility that you might still have some alt accounts here.
I also think, what if he really refunds the BTC that he got from 2 campaigns illegally, will the negative trust be removed, or at least turn to a neutral one?

You don't know? What a pathetic reason coming from you. You are in the forum for around 1 1/2 years already, and you don't know? Just say that you cheated because you really did. I will wait for you to pay back Hhampuz, and Royse with the money you stole from them.

but I've always understood that if you're in a campaign and change your signature even briefly, it's noted by the campaign manager....somehow.  I never understood the somehow, but is that not the case?  And if it were as easy as switching sigs and trying to fool managers, we'd be seeing way more of these shenanigans.

Consider Duelbits that has about 112 participants, it will be very tedious to check if the 122 participants are wearing signature, then check for the post quality, then count the number of posts, update spreadsheet. This is a whole lot of work for a CM that is managing upto 5 different campaigns.

Why I don't blame the managers is because, no normal human being will ever think of switching signature between companies and receiving payments. It's weird to reason such and that is not actually something that I can conceive throughout my stay in this forum and likewise many other genuine users.

I'm thinking of this for hours already, and I don't know if they will consider this one, but I guess I'll just share it.

You already said that Duelbits has 112 participants, and Hhampuz is managing more than 1 campaign aside from Duelbits. At the same time, Royse is managing many campaigns as well. I'm thinking if they will hire somebody here to help them in counting posts, and to monitor each participant, so that things like what @Shan85 did will not happen in the future. I don't know, but it's just my suggestion for both of them.

TBH, it's my first time to see a user here switching signatures between 2 campaigns, and not being caught for more than a week. Will there be somebody who can do it again in the future? I guess so especially if they are really in need of money.

[ndutndut]

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY

The tags in your profile made me read all about this thread. how shocked I was when I saw that your cunning had made everyone in this forum very angry with you. The crime that you are so brave, I wonder why you are so desperate to do such a stupid thing?

Don't you love yourself for building an account for a long time to a full member? whereas if you don't cheat you can earn even more with signature campaigns. Money from fraud will not be a blessing.

What you have to do now, you have to return the money you got from the two signatures so that your life will be calmer. Unlawful money is a sin to eat.

[Xiaomie A1]

I did not know this happened mistakenly Sorry. I accept my mistake and I’m ready to refund last week payment to both of you Roysee and Hhampuz. SORRY

Apologizing also won't change anything for what happened because what you did is really very heinous to look at. And what makes me wonder here besides the case you have made is why did you post it in the Indonesian locale besides the Pakistani locale? Do you also want to trick people in Indonesia like you tricked the two famous managers in this forum?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5253221.msg61953809#msg61953809 (Indonesia Local)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg62258450#msg62258450 (Pakistan local)

[Apocollapse]

And what makes me wonder here besides the case you have made is why did you post it in the Indonesian locale besides the Pakistani locale? Do you also want to trick people in Indonesia like you tricked the two famous managers in this forum?

I think he want to get merit because if you read most of the posts in that thread, there are a lot merit flowing. But it's good Indonesian users aren't giving him any single merit, if he get few merit, don't surprised if he will continue to post in Indonesian board.

In order to refund your payment, you must communicate with the manager. it gives responsible morals. but it won't clear your error. maybe the negative tag will still be in your account.

Man, don't say this.

It will make him not want to refund his money because there's no benefit for him after he successfully refund his money.

Looking at how the accounts in the Pakistani section exchange merit regularly, it is not surprising that even a new account with this scammer will grow very quickly.
It is a pity that there is no ban on a certain number of IP addresses on the forum. This would greatly complicate the lives of scammers.

Nowadays local board are used to exchange merit, but if the local board user try to post in global board and can't get many merit as he got in his local board, it's show local board user only meriting his friend, not because of the quality.

Talking about ban certain number of IP addresses, I don't think the forum will do it.

[Poker Player]

I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will.

Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional.

[shasan]

I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will.

Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional.

Let's forget about the past incident either that was a mistake or intentional. Let us see whether the accused user will send the fund to the mentioned wallet or not. I doubt the user will not send the fund to the mentioned wallet. Already passed a  long time since the post of the accused user but till now there is no update regarding the refund.

[smyslov]

I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will.

Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional.

He log in today I'm sure he read Royse777 posting the address

so far there are no incoming funds to the given address

https://mempool.space/address/bc1qj8l4kgmy8hy8qa2cxyjunh5qgzc0nkzext2tvx

If he failed to send the funds within 3 days since he did not specify how many days, this means that he is making fun of us and he is not serious, even if the funds are sent the tag should remain, he should not care about the tag, he should care more on his value and conscience.

[light_warrior]

He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s).

[robelneo]

He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s).

I also don't believe that he will give the money back but I wish I'm wrong the guy is comfortable cheating he is shifting the signature in time for the payout, it's a scheme he perfectly hatched if he has a personal friend here in Bitcointalk that is aware of what's done he can talk him out to return all the money and post an apology but the tagged should stay.
It's on his conscience now if he did not fulfill his promise, thereby this guy has no conscience, he is mocking us by promising something he cannot fulfill.

[LoyceMobile]

LoyceV read this topic.


Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users.

[John Abraham]

LoyceV read this topic.


Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users.

Now I am wondering if LoyceBot will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly.

However, Participants change every week or every few weeks. Move from one campaign to another Campaign. Some spreadsheets are hidden (Bettercallitraul, for example). I am curious How would you do that? If you have to do something manually, you won't be able to provide this service at a cheap price. But, if you can make it automatic, offering an affordable subscription could be possible.
About refunding to Campaign managers, Guys, let's not pre-assume something. Let him decide what he wants to do. If you say such things from the beginning, It will motivate him not to refund even if he plans to refund them. As he said, He would refund last week's payment to both Campaign managers.

[noormcs5]

I just checked and, at least so far, Shan85 has not sent the money he says he is going to return to the address Royse777 posted. I doubt he will.

Also, saying it was a mistake sounds to me like the excuse of a little kid who makes up bullshit when he gets caught. There is no mistake, it was intentional.

That's a shame that he posted first that he will return but now he is not acting upon his words. By the way there is no need to believe his words because if he was too honest to return the money, he would not have stolen it at first place.

He won't give anything back. Why would he give anything back? How much is a Full Member account? They said $400 was stolen. Consider that he sold his account and got a good price for it. So why would he give anything back? And since I heard he has more accounts on the forum, he will continue his dirty work from another account(s).

Return it for the moral value, the inner peace , the satisfied soul  
But i think the thieves and the scammers does not posses these feelings.

[NotATether]

How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off?

And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?

[shasan]

How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off?

And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?

Bro, you are not on the same page. The user does not wear both signatures at a time. The user wears one signature and once received the payment then wears another one. And in this way continue. As a result, get payment from both campaigns. If the user wears both signatures at a time then both campaign managers will have to reject the payment.

[NotATether]

How is it possible to wear two signatures at once? Wouldn't one of the signatures be below the other and thus be cut off?

And did campaign managers not see that he was in two different spreadsheets at once?

Bro, you are not on the same page. The user does not wear both signatures at a time. The user wears one signature and once received the payment then wears another one. And in this way continue. As a result, get payment from both campaigns. If the user wears both signatures at a time then both campaign managers will have to reject the payment.

OK. That is scummy behavior though. I wouldn't have caught that myself because I have got signatures and avatars disabled in the forum settings.