Wearing Double signature (Shan85)

[LoyceV]

Would there be any use for a service that regularly checks signatures at random times? It shouldn't be too difficult to monitor a thousand users.

Now I am wondering if LoyceBot will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly.

How's this? See Your signature log. I check each profile on my list at least once a day on average, at random times. If there's a change, a new entry gets added to that page.

So far, my list isn't that long, and it's still experimental.

[UserU]

Now I am wondering if LoyceBot will be able to detect any changes made on the signature space. If it can, then wouldn't it be an excellent service for a campaign manager? A Monthly cheap subscription will help the Campaign manager and the company ensure this doesn't happen repeatedly.

However, Participants change every week or every few weeks. Move from one campaign to another Campaign. Some spreadsheets are hidden (Bettercallitraul, for example). I am curious How would you do that? If you have to do something manually, you won't be able to provide this service at a cheap price. But, if you can make it automatic, offering an affordable subscription could be possible.

That is a good idea. It's possible, just that the bot needs to access the API and detect code changes in the signature field against the original content. Sends an alert/ notification if a signature change is detected.

About the hidden spreadsheets, perhaps it should be mandatory to be made public? After all, it has been the norm.

[LoyceV]

I don't have merits to give anymore but I left him positive feedback

I suggest you to reconsider your feedback, I would say neutral feedback is more appropriate in this case.

I think I disagree with you on this;

I'm with Helena on this one: catching a cheater doesn't mean the user can be trusted. There was no amount risked.

There was a user who wanted to pay for evil fee or copper membership, but theymos mistakenly sent him some btc, as new as s/he was and having joined the forum with a concealed ip, s/he chosed to return the btc. He recieved enough positive feedbacks without waiting for him to reach 5 years in the forum

That user could have kept the Bitcoin theymos sent him, but he didn't. So theymos' feedback is appropriate. I don't think it was necessary for many other users to also add positive feedback though.

Therefore, @Hhampuz and @Royse777 must compensate the company for the past weeks or at least pay to developer (out of their own money) to create a bot to verify that users in the campaign do not modify them signature during the campaign period, any modification will be sent to the campaign manager.

I made a bot to check this, but it's not public yet. See loyce.club/signatures/ for the current entries. I'm still in doubt if I should charge for it's usage: on the one hand I like catching cheaters, but on the other hand campaign managers aren't charities.

Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice

I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.

[tbterryboy]

I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign.

Obviously business owners would prefer the experienced and established manager to promote them. So, I guess there would be no wonder on seeing the highly recognized managers with so many campaigns.

It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.

One of the probable reason could be:
This might be an all-new-kind of scam attempt which falls beyond managers' measurements in terms of scam control and prevention.


The outcome lesson of this scam might be, it is time for managers to run a bot for checking changes in signature codes for all 7 days and 24 hours.

[Nwada001]

Obviously business owners would prefer the experienced and established manager to promote them. So, I guess there would be no wonder on seeing the highly recognized managers with so many campaigns.

Not just that, I think project owners also look at managers with higher reputations and not just qualifications; there are people who will post a campaign today, and in a few hours, there will be lots of applicants who are already on the waiting list because they trust the manager to be the type that will always deliver.

There are also some new managers who might actually be good at what they preach, but because they are not yet well known and have nothing to show off that they won't scam their participants, when such managers post work here, most people will see it and overlook it. I guess this is also the kind of thing project owners look at before hiring someone, not even minding the amount of work the manager is holding at the moment. This is also because the manager will always assure them they can deliver their work, and at the end of the day, both the project owners and the managers get what they want.

[SatoPrincess]

Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice

I don’t believe the number of participants had anything to do with it, even if the campaign had only five slots, with the same user the result would be the same since managers do not have a bot that notifies them if a participant changes his signature during the week.

I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.

I’m sure you’re aware campaigns do not only hire a manager just for his ability to deliver but for the legitimacy the manager brings to the campaign. I’m not certain a new campaign would survive if they hire a manager who doesn’t have much reputation. It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

[John Abraham]

How's this? See Your signature log. I check each profile on my list at least once a day, at random times. If there's a change, a new entry gets added to that page.

So far, my list isn't that long, and it's still experimental.

Well, This is good. But, before you work on it more, You should contact some Campaign managers like Hhampuz and Royse777, who manages many campaigns. You can discuss whether they need the service before you further improve it. This is a super helpful tool for a campaign manager and the company. Campaign managers may charge an extra $ for every week from the company. But, It also depends on your pricing. Let's say a company wants this subscription at a low price, like $5/week. But, you may think, No, the service I will provide is worth more than that. So, You may discuss the excellent price for a campaign with 30-40 Participants.

About your Current development, Yeah, it's nice. I can see the date of first-time download, the signature and the last update time. Is it possible to detect the changes if they were made for a few minutes? Let's say I changed my signature for a few minutes and returned to what it was before. Will your bot be able to detect it?

[LoyceV]

About your Current development, Yeah, it's nice. I can see the date of first-time download, the signature and the last update time. Is it possible to detect the changes if they were made for a few minutes? Let's say I changed my signature for a few minutes and returned to what it was before. Will your bot be able to detect it?

Maybe, maybe not. There's a random delay between scraping, so for a few minutes you'd probably get away with it. But who's willing to risk it? See LoyceBot's test change.

I could scrape more often, but that would create unnecessary forum server load, so I'm trying to find a balance.
It could be someone gets lucky if he hops from A to B and back after a few hours, but the random scraping time makes that a risk. Besides, campaign manager A may not notice it, but campaign manager B will only see signature A in the logs.

[rby]

Duelbits employs about 112 participants which would make it difficult for Hhampuz to notice

I never understood why so many campaigns choose the same campaign manager, instead of hiring someone who's dedicated to just their campaign. It's basically like someone who only shows up for work half the time, and his boss doesn't notice it for weeks until an other employee tells on him.

The only reason I can think of is trustworthiness. Project owners wouldn't want a situation their campaign budget money will get missing or hacked.  I tried one day to understand how some of the long term campaigns funds Hhampuz for the campaign. I was of the opinion that they send him campaign monthly or quarterly, who knows it could be yearly. And not every random managers would be trusted with such amounts.

I’m sure you’re aware campaigns do not only hire a manager just for his ability to deliver but for the legitimacy the manager brings to the campaign. I’m not certain a new campaign would survive if they hire a manager who doesn’t have much reputation.

There's no relationship between survival of a project and who manages the campaign. A good project will survive even if it is managed by a newbie.  I have just said the reason reputable managers are sought for above.

[shasan]

It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.

[robelneo]

It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.

All project developers want in their campaign are leads, conversion, and branding, and who better manages this, only the veteran campaign managers like Royse, Hhampuz, and Brainboss who know everything around here, who are familiar with leads and conversion, and who know how to pick the right participants who are likely to deliver, who knows about sections of the forums that can deliver leads and who can establish their brand here.
I prefer veteran managers because they know how to communicate with all ranks of members here, campaign managing is not something you learn overnight, it should be backed up with years of experience, it's their territory and they know their way here.

[Findingnemo]

It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.

Well at the end its a business so the companies will always approach the members who is already doing that job and managing the campaign on their own and escrowing the funds may be disastrous for the money they are about to spend because they can buy copper membership but they may have no idea of who to hire but managers generally do have an idea of which kind of members will fit for the project they are going to promote so they will hire accordingly.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

He's from Pakistan. The minimum wage there is only $90 a month.
He was getting $160 from one campaign, so he decided to double it by cheating and live a better life.

That's a criminal offense that forum user just did, double cheating on a signature campaign for double payments, which has now got him red tagged, making his account useless and unfit to participate in any further campaign on the forum ever again. Because though it's sad, but this is what happens to people when they allow greed over their sense of reasoning into doing what is bad. Secondly, this should be a wake up to our campaign managers to always ensure no member of that campaign has an alt in it or not wearing the needed signature or avatar for the week

[FatFork]

It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

Well, that's not always the way it goes. I get why it might seem like a money-saver for companies to handle their campaigns on their own, but you should consider the bigger picture. Just assuming that every business owner should do everything themselves to cut costs doesn't always work out in reality.

Here's my thinking: hiring professionals who specialize in campaign management can bring some serious benefits. These experts have the know-how, industry knowledge, and a fresh set of eyes that can make a real difference. They can help streamline the process, fine-tune strategies, avoid common pitfalls, and ultimately maximize the impact of your campaigns. So, while you might think doing it all in-house is the budget-friendly way to go, it's worth considering the long-term benefits of working with experienced professionals. It's all about finding that sweet spot where costs meet the value they bring to the table.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.

In every business experience have it's value. An experience campaign manager knows how to handle their works professionally. Where someone new [no matter what rank they have in the forum] will learn the process though the experiences they will earn from their progress. A business will not hire someone who is learning but they will hire a person who knows what they are doing.

[CryptSafe]

It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here  and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there  are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime.

[PX-Z]

In every business experience have it's value. An experience campaign manager knows how to handle their works professionally. Where someone new [no matter what rank they have in the forum] will learn the process though the experiences they will earn from their progress. A business will not hire someone who is learning but they will hire a person who knows what they are doing.

I could agree with this but i won't in the last part. There are lots of instances of businesses hired an almost new campaign managers regardless their ranks. Well, most of these managers came from being a newbie on the management side, 4 years ago, aside from yahoo and hampuz, there are many new members seeks a management job yet they build there reputation and learning on the process and become what they are now.

[Latviand]

It takes a smart crook to have such mind to carryout such an act. I have no doubt this account (shan85) might likely belong to a high ranked member here who knows how the system works here  and i believe he must have taken time to study the managers and have found out they do not really put eyes into that area and do not have any idea any member of their campaign would do such so he took advantage of the situation and has been on this act for long but became a scapegoat when luck ran against him. If this account can be doing such then it means there  are others he must have recruited to be carrying out such act on this platform. Possibly he has other accounts committing such crime.

Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky. I like your idea that it could be an account of a high ranking member in the forum but the fact that Shan85 is switching signatures takes time and it's a possibility that he/she might've a job and that he/she might not have the time to do this especially if what you think is true that he/she does have another high ranking account.

Good catch OP, not a lot of people pay attention to this kind of thing especially if they know how to fly under the radar but there's proof and you can't really refute that.

[Poker Player]

Not really smart though, maybe mindful and sneaky.

I agree.

In these cases, as in the case of the exchange that has just disappeared, probably being an exit scam, I wonder what it cost them to continue doing things legally, without being blinded by greed. Well, in the case of Shan85, he will no longer be able to do business with this account, and it will cost him to build up another one from 0 if he does not have other alts to be able to receive the income he already had. He could have done things with patience, and at the same time that he was working for a campaign he could have created an alt and build it up so that in the future he could have two accounts for which he could get paid in two campaigns in a legal way, without anyone being able to red tag him. He could have been rich in a country doing this, but greed blinded him.

[SatoPrincess]

It will be cheaper for companies to buy copper membership and manage their campaigns by themselves but they will have to spend more time building trust within the community before they can be recognized.

You might be right but I could not agree with you. To run a signature campaign they do not need to be reputed. Hence they are not aware of the signature campaign, signature design, creating spreadsheets, and calculating that. If they have all the ability then their time might be more valuable than the spending on the campaign manager. If a newbie run a signature campaign and escrow their fund for few weeks then they have nothing to be worried about.

In every business experience have it's value. An experience campaign manager knows how to handle their works professionally. Where someone new [no matter what rank they have in the forum] will learn the process though the experiences they will earn from their progress. A business will not hire someone who is learning but they will hire a person who knows what they are doing.

You’re right, this further proves my point why campaigns will always choose experienced managers even if they have other projects at hand. I have been a part of many campaigns and it’s no coincidence that I have worked with mostly 3-4 managers during all that time, there are plenty CM service thread on service board but companies want someone who other companies want, the more jobs you have as a CM the more attractive you become to prospective clients.