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Question: How should the imgur issue be resolved?
1: Do nothing
2: Turn imgur images into links
3: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy
4: Exempt old images, but ban future ones

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May 17, 2023, 06:25:49 PM
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I support the idea of implementing option 2 - "Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image". This approach strikes a middle ground where users can still choose to fix their images by switching to a different image hosting service and editing their posts. At the same time, this solution addresses privacy concerns as members' IP addresses won't be shared with third parties without their knowledge or consent. It provides a practical compromise that benefits both user experience and privacy protection. The same as we already have with external links. As for JavaScript-expand into an embedded image, I don't think it's necessary.

I fully support this option. Although many people may not like the use of JavaScript in this clause because someone does not use JavaScript or because they are afraid of some vulnerabilities. I think the use of JavaScript is appropriate in this case.
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I guess that option 2 is okay. Not optimal, still okay.
The users active on Bitcointalk can act if they want to, there's a script doing a great job.
The rest of the posts will at least have the links to the images.

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May 17, 2023, 06:52:31 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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Quote from: theymos
2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.
I vote for number 2 which it will make the image embedded, and it will be very easy for Bitcointalk.org users to click the link without going through the image proxy.

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As someone who has a lot of images hosted on Imgur showing various products and historical information, I think it would be nice if I didn’t have to download software on my machine and spend time reviewing code in order to get my images preserved. I would much prefer the forum fix this issue either by migrating all images to a new service, hosting them, or allowing historical images to remain.

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May 17, 2023, 06:56:21 PM
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The best way to solve this image issue is to add upload image feature in the standard tool bar like the way images are uploaded in other websites and social media like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram WhatsApp and others. And that will make the process even more easier for users to upload image. Using the third party uploading method is cause of the whole problem so to avoid such problem in the future let the admin add image uploading feature in the forum software.









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May 17, 2023, 08:02:26 PM
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For those who really want their images as it was, they can just use TryNinja's script. Seekers will find their solutions today or tomorrow.

That script is limited to active users only and even among those users, I have doubts that less than 50% will be aware of its existence or actually execute it.

Those who are not active they are protected by the option 2 which is removing the [img] tag and just to leave the image url.

There was a lot of talk of turning all imgur links into TalkImg links, or maybe even imgbb, but we don't know if imgbb will do something similar in future, and I am not sure TalkImg can handle a lot of traffic yet.
With good funding and have passion of doing something, TalkImg can be a good resource for us. In fact why don't we have our own image hosting? The forum does no have money problem after all. If the forum has it's own image hosting then we don't need to depend on any third party. Images are a good part of the culture we made on the forum.

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For those who really want their images as it was, they can just use TryNinja's script. Seekers will find their solutions today or tomorrow.

That script is limited to active users only and even among those users, I have doubts that less than 50% will be aware of its existence or actually execute it.

Those who are not active they are protected by the option 2 which is removing the [img] tag and just to leave the image url.


What happens to a tutorial thread that uses an image as an illustration? Making the image just a link would make the thread less valuable and more confusing for everyone. The best option would be 3 or 4, as there are many past posts and images that don't need to be tampered with. I'd say getting back all the old images to work again would be the perfect option, and then a ban on imgur service moving forward.


There was a lot of talk of turning all imgur links into TalkImg links, or maybe even imgbb, but we don't know if imgbb will do something similar in future, and I am not sure TalkImg can handle a lot of traffic yet.
With good funding and have passion of doing something, TalkImg can be a good resource for us. In fact why don't we have our own image hosting? The forum does no have money problem after all. If the forum has it's own image hosting then we don't need to depend on any third party. Images are a good part of the culture we made on the forum.

The quick solution now would be to either acquire TalkImg or make a large donation to the donation address to get it working as long as the forum is exist.... these are two possible options.

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I prefer either option 1 or 2. I believe it is the responsibility of the original authors to address and fix their broken posts.

What happens to a tutorial thread that uses an image as an illustration? Making the image just a link would make the thread less valuable and more confusing for everyone.

What happens to the tutorial or thread if the images are deleted from the hosting service for whatever reason? It is not the responsibility of the bicointalk.org forum administrator to fix issues that are beyond his control. Each forum user is responsible for choosing their preferred image hosting service. In this particular situation, it seems that Imgur was not the best choice.

The best option would be 3 or 4, as there are many past posts and images that don't need to be tampered with. I'd say getting back all the old images to work again would be the perfect option, and then a ban on imgur service moving forward.

These options may not be best for members who value their privacy. Do you know why the bitcointalk.org image proxy was introduced in the first place?

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2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.
Instead of "expand on click", could you make this a profile option? Something like: "Tick to enable all imgur images without proxy".

3: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy so they all just work. But this has privacy implications, since imgur will see forum users' IPs. Also, imgur has apparently banned a lot of Tor exit nodes etc. as well, so imgur images won't work for everyone.
This isn't a long-term solution once imgur starts deleting anonymous uploads:
In addition to explicit images, Imgur is also removing old and unused photos that are not tied to an account. As a Twitter user noted, Imgur has been used for years to upload photos without an account and post links to different kinds of sites. Removing those images might result in a lot of dead links all over the internet.
The changes are going to take effect this Month on the 15th.

I'm missing option 5:
5. Someone creates a website with all most of the imgur images, and you forward the image proxy to that site for any imgur picture. It's probably a good idea to combine it with option 4:
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4: ~prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts, to sort of phase it out.
Would this be an option for you (@theymos)? If so, I have 801,550 images waiting Cheesy

It’s the author/poster main responsibility to update all his post if he really values all his content.
I always considered Bitcointalk to be an archive, and long-term, everyone will abandon their accounts.

IMO I'm not sure it should matter as much on what the user can do themselves, some of the users may not even be here anymore.

The forum itself should want the images as they were in the thread, to preserve the historical nature.
My thoughts exactly!

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I certainly will not be mass-editing my prior posts, with or without a script, so hopefully there will be something that can be done here with one of the options in the OP, even if it doesn't end up the most optimal option for the forum and future readers.
I don't think I've ever used imgur, but I have quoted hundreds (link doesn't work yet) of imgur images. I wasn't planning on editing those posts, but it would be nice if the images still work.

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I think the priority now is to keep those photos by hosting them.

I don't think most of us will have a copy of it and therefore the first option is not available.
The last option is meaningless because over time this could happen to any other service.


The ideal solution, is to have an unofficial hosting service (non-profit organization), so that the forum pays a little to ensure that the service will last for several years and bear the volume of traffic, with a monthly payment to them like staff.
thus reducing the damage to intellectual property rights and the existence of a service that the forum members can hold accountable.

It is true that this option will cost about $ 1,000 per month, but the value of this data will definitely be higher than that.

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1: Do nothing. People will have to edit past broken images and use different image-hosting services going forward.

A lot of users with images have permanently left the forum and will not be able to do this.

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2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

I like this option best.

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3: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy so they all just work. But this has privacy implications, since imgur will see forum users' IPs. Also, imgur has apparently banned a lot of Tor exit nodes etc. as well, so imgur images won't work for everyone.

4: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy as above, but prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts, to sort of phase it out.

I don't trust that Imgur or any other social media company has anyone's privacy in their best interest.

I would combine number 2 with a second option:

Pay the hosting fees of TalkImg service using the Bitcointalk forum reserves to insure that it can continue operating as the preferred image hosting service for Bitcointalk.

But you might want to discuss with them how big their server bill is and whether there's any way to reduce it first.

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I like #2, the link idea.

Its much more pleasant to look at a link than an Invalid Image error.

Other image hosting services have died over the years and the forum has survived. Granted imgur has been the most popular and longest-running of all of them.

Good thing Satoshi didn't post a whole bunch of pictures.

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2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.


Although this poll does not make any sense. There will be only a small percentage of users suffering from the Imgur issue. I think the second option looks more viable then all the other options. No one needs to do anything with this second option

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I will prefer you leave it the way it is now, because we all cannot be going back to begin to trace all our old post and begin to edit them, but we can prevent the future occurrence of this kind by avoiding the use of such image hosting site, since there's an alternative to the use of another site in posting images, those that cares about any particular post they made in the past should go and edit them out and place the new one, henceforth we can be using the new sites for hosting images than the one we've been used with and stop using it.

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I've ended up voting "do nothing" as the third and fourth suggestions are impractical as they don't address the long term problem of any third party service either pulling the plug, or going dark without warning.

Why stick a band-aid on a problem when an amputation is required and a brand new prosthetic inserted in its place?

Option two "might" work as long as the plug isn't pulled by said third party provider. How can you be sure in the medium to long term?




Joker's talkimg.com is the solution and ninja's code is the painfree method of porting all legacy images.

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There are a lot of broken imgur links. How do you think this should be resolved? I've come up with these possible solutions:



2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.


This is the best option and I voted for it, and so far it's winning the vote, it will fix all old threads with broken images because option number 1 will leave the majority of the threads with broken images,   I'm sure it can easily be done because you have it as one of the options and we can move forward from using other tools.


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Poll - vote 2.
I see number 2 being the choice of many people because maybe this is one of the best solutions where imgur becomes a link instead of making it easier for us.

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I chose the number 2 because it's pretty annoying that some images with a huge error cannot that project the image. The links are still alive because they are uploaded to Imgur. As long as the links are active, the members can see those once they open or use the TalkImg with joker_josue proposes.

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2: Make it so that all past imgur embedded images show up as a clickable link instead of as an embedded image, as if the poster had just posted the imgur link instead of using the [img] tag. I could also maybe make it so that if you click the link, it will JavaScript-expand into an embedded image (using the specified width etc.) without going through the image proxy.

I think this option is the most viable at the moment, with a quick implementation.
It gives time for users to migrate their images, while they continue to "work" (via click) in the forum.


4: Exempt imgur links from the image proxy as above, but prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts, to sort of phase it out.

I think this should be implemented to avoid future situations. Because eventually one or another image may become available when they are posted, and days later they stop working.


I'm missing option 5:
5. Someone creates a website with all most of the imgur images, and you forward the image proxy to that site for any imgur picture. It's probably a good idea to combine it with option 4:
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4: ~prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts, to sort of phase it out.
Would this be an option for you (@theymos)? If so, I have 801,550 images waiting Cheesy

@LoyceV also launched an interesting idea, how do you think it's viable?


EDIT:
The ideal solution, is to have an unofficial hosting service (non-profit organization), so that the forum pays a little to ensure that the service will last for several years and bear the volume of traffic, with a monthly payment to them like staff.
thus reducing the damage to intellectual property rights and the existence of a service that the forum members can hold accountable.

Does the TalkImg service fit this idea!? Roll Eyes

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I'm missing option 5:
5. Someone creates a website with all most of the imgur images, and you forward the image proxy to that site for any imgur picture. It's probably a good idea to combine it with option 4:
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4: ~prevent using imgur embedded images in any future posts, to sort of phase it out.
Would this be an option for you (@theymos)? If so, I have 801,550 images waiting Cheesy
@LoyceV also launched an interesting idea, how do you think it's viable?
I'm done processing the data, see [get yours] Images from imgur.
@joker_josue: I can get you one file with all images if you want.

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