Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why?

[Shamm]

If in the whole world the most popular book is the Bible, in Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency, Trading, Exchange the best source for this is Bitcointalk.org, Because if I compare it with YouTube, Articles, Facebook, when it comes In the matters that I have mentioned, this is the only platform that can be said to give detailed information.

      Now, the only thing that doesn't make it better are the spammers who came in to this platform, now if the community here decreases, I would prefer that only a few are active, but the posts on this platform are of quality, rather than having too many members that are polluted and reduced as for the quality of what is being discussed here, it doesn't matter that there are only a few members.

Because this forum is for those who really want to know the deep beauty of Bitcoin or cryptocurrency and so on.

Agree with you mate as we are all know that the founder of bitcoin and this forum are one. which is this forum is reliable to any information about bitcoin. All topic about bitcoin already takled and one way to find out is using the searching button and then all topics what we want to know will arise. And if we compare to other social media platform especially in YouTube we can say that bitcointalk.org is better than them cause in YouTube, tweeter and Facebook there are many scam advice about Bitcoin .

[TheBeardedBaby]

We are in a bear market, that's why, when btc wakes up and the altseason kicks in then the forum will fill again with ppl, new fresh ones wondering what bitcoin is and many old ones trying to ride the wave, and sure the scammers too.

Thats happen on every cycle...

[skarais]

We are in a bear market, that's why, when btc wakes up and the altseason kicks in then the forum will fill again with ppl, new fresh ones wondering what bitcoin is and many old ones trying to ride the wave, and sure the scammers too.

Thats happen on every cycle...

I'm very aware of it and I've also noticed that cycle before. Of course this is natural for online forums because not all users will maintain consistency to make regular posts when they have no plans to engage longer in the forum even just for discussion.

I was worried about it in 2019, when this forum only had 133,934 active users. But in 2023 the number of active users has reduced greatly, now it's only 56,529 and I hope most of the users out there are still doing well because Covid may have taken some of the users of this forum too.

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[Sandra_hakeem]

Like you I would also like to understand what Sandra_hakeem was trying to articulate because it is unclear. As for Vod, why did you attribute a Pokémon GO! link to him? I must seriously be missing something of significance here therefore apologise in advance.

Look, I understand it seems really unclear to you both...it's okay to be, but I'll make everything really explicit..
I was tryna say that y'all have survived in here and the same reasons why you have survived might be the same reasons others have left - only that y'all saw it earlier enough that y'all needed really thick skins to do so... How come alot of peeps left few years ago but we got them few newbies that came through last year and survived up till now?? Aren't they also affected with the factors that prolly discouraged or taunted the others?? You see my point now?? Maybe they are, Maybe not but in all, they didn't take surviving in here as an alternative.
Alot of prominent newbies that should've been made potential legends have been banned either for a slight mistake or something really wierd that sometimes I think, MAYBE they should have been given a chance to see if those acts were deliberately or not...

I am glad this thread has been used to discuss a wide array of views and opinions and I look forward to reading more.

There's alot we dunno

[dewez]

yeah.. i would agree with fish on this one. anyway, its a pretty active forum.. the only ones that rival it on activity are for porn. i do think there should be a static 728x60 banner on all pages thats available only for members to buy, to promote their own projects/programs. i think the userbase is active enough in the btc space to float a members only ad buy.

[logfiles]

i do think there should be a static 728x60 banner on all pages thats available only for members to buy, to promote their own projects/programs. i think the userbase is active enough in the btc space to float a members only ad buy.

I don't know if you were around at the time, but there used to be an option for one to advertise their service using Ad banners. The ad spaces would be auctioned periodically, and the winners would have an opportunity to have their service banner delayed in the ad spaces

Theymos, however, suspended ad sales for a few reasons he mentioned, you can check out this post; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407725.msg60976136#msg60976136

[JollyGood]

What exactly is this reply supposed to mean? This is your first post in this thread yet you imply you posted before and not only that you are posting absolute nonsense in relation to the subject matter.

I have gone through your post history and can put together your motive here is to simply build up your account for joining signature campaigns when you are able to and until then to join bounties.

Posting text for the sake of posting does not help you build your account, it hinders your account as it gets noticed and then tagged.

I apologize if my previous response seemed to disregard or overlook your statement. I understand that you were discussing the idea of multi-accounting and expressing your thoughts on the matter. It's true that making speculative claims without concrete evidence can be challenging to validate.

Regarding the use of real photos for KYC (Know Your Customer) verification, it's important to note that people may have various reasons for doing so. While some individuals may not fully consider the potential risks involved, it's also possible that they have made informed decisions based on their own assessments. Different people have different perspectives and may weigh the potential benefits and drawbacks differently.

It's essential to approach discussions about others' decisions or behaviors with empathy and understanding. People's actions may not always align with our own views or expectations, but it's important to respect their autonomy and individual choices. If you have concerns about specific practices or issues, it's generally more productive to engage in constructive dialogue or research to gather more information and gain a better understanding of the situation.

[jokers10]

What exactly is this reply supposed to mean? This is your first post in this thread yet you imply you posted before and not only that you are posting absolute nonsense in relation to the subject matter.

I have gone through your post history and can put together your motive here is to simply build up your account for joining signature campaigns when you are able to and until then to join bounties.

I apologize if my previous response seemed to disregard or overlook your statement. I understand that you were discussing the idea of multi-accounting and expressing your thoughts on the matter. It's true that making speculative claims without concrete evidence can be challenging to validate.

Regarding the use of real photos for KYC (Know Your Customer) verification, it's important to note that people may have various reasons for doing so. While some individuals may not fully consider the potential risks involved, it's also possible that they have made informed decisions based on their own assessments. Different people have different perspectives and may weigh the potential benefits and drawbacks differently.

It's essential to approach discussions about others' decisions or behaviors with empathy and understanding. People's actions may not always align with our own views or expectations, but it's important to respect their autonomy and individual choices. If you have concerns about specific practices or issues, it's generally more productive to engage in constructive dialogue or research to gather more information and gain a better understanding of the situation.

This user is using AI for posting and that's why his comment has nearly no sense. I've just checked and the result is 94% for AI for both his posts which are not bounty reports.

Probably we have less users on the forum, but it is good when users of this kind leave us. The less nonsense posters, the less AI posters the better.

[nutildah]

What exactly is this reply supposed to mean? This is your first post in this thread yet you imply you posted before and not only that you are posting absolute nonsense in relation to the subject matter.

He appears to have gotten into an argument with ChatGPT and just copy/pasted the last response 

So annoying.

And for this reason 56k active members is too many. We need to cut that number down to about 10k; I reckon half the people logging onto the forum at any given moment are either at or below this level of comprehension.


I voted for "Other" in the poll, no surprise its the leading result. The simple reason is peeps have gone elsewhere to discuss Bitcoin- and altcoin-related matters. And that's fine. As I've often said before, this forum is now more of a museum that serves to house Satoshi's posts. That's its primary role. So long as it keeps doing that, everything is fine.

Also, a lot of guests/passerbys simply don't want to wade through the enormous ton of shitposts to find the occasional nugget of interesting information. That's probably the main reason why regular people - who aren't interested in making money from the forum - don't sign up and contribute. From the outside looking in its an absolute spamfest.

[JollyGood]

This user is using AI for posting and that's why his comment has nearly no sense. I've just checked and the result is 94% for AI for both his posts which are not bounty reports.

Probably we have less users on the forum, but it is good when users of this kind leave us. The less nonsense posters, the less AI posters the better.

Thank you for looking in to this. It is evident AI is becoming more of a problem within the forum and it seems to be growing on a daily basis. As far as a I can see things will only get worse.

He appears to have gotten into an argument with ChatGPT and just copy/pasted the last response 

So annoying.

And for this reason 56k active members is too many. We need to cut that number down to about 10k; I reckon half the people logging onto the forum at any given moment are either at or below this level of comprehension.

I would say there are not that many real/genuine active users. What I mean by real/genuine active users is a number well below 56,000 (possibly a couple of thousand at most). That number would increase by several thousand if including real/genuine users that are logging in every 3+ months.

I voted for "Other" in the poll, no surprise its the leading result. The simple reason is peeps have gone elsewhere to discuss Bitcoin- and altcoin-related matters. And that's fine. As I've often said before, this forum is now more of a museum that serves to house Satoshi's posts. That's its primary role. So long as it keeps doing that, everything is fine.

Can you provide links to where have people gone to discuss crypto related matters? Apart from "altcoinstalks" and "cryptotalk" there is not much that comes to mind except occasional questions you might find on "stackoverflow"

Also, a lot of guests/passerbys simply don't want to wade through the enormous ton of shitposts to find the occasional nugget of interesting information. That's probably the main reason why regular people - who aren't interested in making money from the forum - don't sign up and contribute. From the outside looking in its an absolute spamfest.

I agree, any external party looking at the forum from the outside will most probably (at first glance) see this forum as a spammers paradise and that has to be one of the most off-putting elements for new user base retention.

Looking through the posts made in the early years of the forum the priority for those members overwhelmingly seemed to be about learning and contributing.

At some stage after it became monetised beyond the point of PayPal (or pizza) for BTC the momentum shifted to something that is more to do with an individual making money for themselves from bounties and signature campaigns rather than contributing for the better of the community as a whole. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that but if the whole premise of using this forum is based on making an income for the individual it no longer is about what it originally set out to be.

It was mentioned before if signature campaigns were removed from this forum in the hope of cleaning it up, there would be almost nobody left to post and it would render the forum effectively as a museum (as you put it).

[Bushdark]

We are in a bear market, that's why, when btc wakes up and the altseason kicks in then the forum will fill again with ppl, new fresh ones wondering what bitcoin is and many old ones trying to ride the wave, and sure the scammers too.

Thats happen on every cycle...

During the bull market is when we are going to see high number of people coming to the forum for many reasons. Some may decided to check the forum for news about the next direction Bitcoin will be hitting while others might come because of other reasons. Since the market is not as bullish like the normal bullish market, many are off the forum in search of good altcoin projects they can put there money. There are different phase and period that people like coming to the forum and I think it is not yet time since the bull trend is still loading to come up. The more people are coming to the forum, same thing happens to those that are here getting tired and want to leave.

[Igebotz]

And for this reason 56k active members is too many. We need to cut that number down to about 10k; I reckon half the people logging onto the forum at any given moment are either at or below this level of comprehension.

Well, the 56k active accounts were for those who logged in (without posting) and those who posted at least one post in the last three months, but when I drill down to only users who posted at least one post, the number was around 21k active members (somewhere on this thread), and that wasn't enough, so I later drill down to the last 30 days and only 5k members were active (more than 30% are bounty hunters, 70% genuine members). So, realistically, the forum has 5-6k active members per month, which is around 2% of the active users on r/bitcoin (reddit).

Also, a lot of guests/passerbys simply don't want to wade through the enormous ton of shitposts to find the occasional nugget of interesting information. That's probably the main reason why regular people - who aren't interested in making money from the forum - don't sign up and contribute. From the outside looking in its an absolute spamfest.

There is always going to be a shit poster on every topic of discussions, be it on Twitter, Facebook, reddit or wherever so i don't think that spam is the driving force here.

Can you provide links to where have people gone to discuss crypto related matters? Apart from "altcoinstalks" and "cryptotalk" there is not much that comes to mind except occasional questions you might find on "stackoverflow"

The majority of real Bitcoiners are now on Twitter, where much of the discussion takes place with less spam..

[dewez]

i do think there should be a static 728x60 banner on all pages thats available only for members to buy, to promote their own projects/programs. i think the userbase is active enough in the btc space to float a members only ad buy.

I don't know if you were around at the time, but there used to be an option for one to advertise their service using Ad banners. The ad spaces would be auctioned periodically, and the winners would have an opportunity to have their service banner delayed in the ad spaces

Theymos, however, suspended ad sales for a few reasons he mentioned, you can check out this post; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407725.msg60976136#msg60976136

yeah, after posting i read about that. i understand his concern with the time it takes to see if its real etc.. but if it was from only members, sr. members+, that issue would vanish. but regardless i get it.. the hosting+bw bill can't be too crazy with a forum, it's actually kinda dope there are no ads.

[CryptSafe]

Very nicely said, of recent I have been against the rate at which accounts get banned or destroyed from the forum. We should introduced some new laws like instead of strictly banning people for mistakes they deliberately or not deliberately make, we can make them lose their signature privilege for some amount of months or years. We tried it with highly productive members when caught with plagiarism so we should introduced same rules for other offends or look for other solution if we want to keep this forum alive. We drive away lots of talents that would have added to the community when we just banned them out of the forum for been ignorant.

There is no atom of doubt in your findings and suggestions mate. Constant banning of accounts will generate to more creating of accounts by these same persons and making them to continue spamming the platform while some would leave as you have said causing loss to the platform as well. Some of these accounts being banned belongs to well talented individuals who could have added more value through their contributions in research findings, innovations and in other aspects of digital and technological development.

As you have suggested, placing restrictions on accounts from partaking in signatures for a specific time  would be ok than taking full wrath on them by  placing a ban on them for their actions. Sometimes they might not intentionally have done it and maybe out of mistake or ignorance they could not have known what they are doing which resulted to their banning and this makes them curious about this platform.

A special tag for account on restriction can be placed on them so managers could see it and know if they eventually apply for campaign. With this restriction tag, the abnormal account holders with such act would definitely be called to order.

[JollyGood]

Twitter has come a long way in the pecking order for Bitcoin and crypto enthusiasts in general because once upon a time it was not the place to be for those types of discussions.

What are your views on the Altcoinstalk and Cryptotalk forums specifically about why crypto enthusiasts do (or do not) use them? It has to be realated to something beyond spam and content quality because those issues are being suffered in this forum too.

Can you provide links to where have people gone to discuss crypto related matters? Apart from "altcoinstalks" and "cryptotalk" there is not much that comes to mind except occasional questions you might find on "stackoverflow"

The majority of real Bitcoiners are now on Twitter, where much of the discussion takes place with less spam..

[Igebotz]

Twitter has come a long way in the pecking order for Bitcoin and crypto enthusiasts in general because once upon a time it was not the place to be for those types of discussions.

What are your views on the Altcoinstalk and Cryptotalk forums specifically about why crypto enthusiasts do (or do not) use them? It has to be realated to something beyond spam and content quality because those issues are being suffered in this forum too.

Can you provide links to where have people gone to discuss crypto related matters? Apart from "altcoinstalks" and "cryptotalk" there is not much that comes to mind except occasional questions you might find on "stackoverflow"

The majority of real Bitcoiners are now on Twitter, where much of the discussion takes place with less spam..

I ported my BTT to Altcointalk a few years ago when I was still an SR member here and I can confidently tell you that I didn't stay for more than a week before abandoning my account and leaving the forum, the place is total hell for those that want to discuss bitcoin, its more about shitcoin speculation forum, same with Cryptotalk where they paid members to post with some shitty token, it was in Satoshi in the early days but now they created a worthless token and that's whats holding some members over there.

The majority of Altcointalk's Hero and Legendary members are banned BTT users who port their rank to Altcointalk. (Account transfer is no longer permitted.)

[BenCodie]

It probably is a mix of all of the reasons, my opinion is rated for each (in terms of activity)

unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ?

While I don't think that this should deter new users from participating in the forum, I would say it would be a 5-15% factor in whether they do or not. Unfriendliness toward newbies isn't rampant, but it is obvious that higher ranked members talk down on newbies (only because there are so many malicious newbies so the rank is probably negatively stained in members' subconscious)

DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days)

I would say this is a 5-10% factor, maybe less than unfriendliness. It takes a lot to be tagged red, usually it is not by mistake. I do think that newbies/low rank members would just create a new account instead of redeeming themselves, over the years I am sure this would have added to the count quite a lot.

The merit system (high demands for quality) ?

This is probably (and sadly) 15-20% of the reason. It's definitely not a bad thing that it is this way, but I am sure that it deters some newbies from venturing outside of coming here to ask the questions they want to ask, then leaving...in comparison to actually being active members of the forum.

The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ?

I don't think this is a factor. People are only usually banned for serious offenses like plagiarism and abusing functions of the forum/spamming.

Low Bitcoin adoption ?

0-25%. The range would vary based on where we are in each 4 year cycle

You're also forgetting that people simply forget their login information. I believe that a lot of accounts would fit into this category in the 15 year life of the forum.

[Rikafip]

Voted "others" because I think that you didn't include the most obvious reason why so few people are still active here, and that is a simple fact that forum are not as popular as they used to be in the past and bitcointalk is not any different than any other forum around.

I mean there are other reasons (low signal to noise ratio, not having mobile friendly version, younger generations preferring faster way if communication etc) but I think that's the one that is affecting numbers the most.

[JollyGood]

Cryptotalk was always synonymous with spamming and low-level posting and that was from the days it was being promoted in this forum by the Yobit team (if memory serves correct Yobit own/operate Cryptotalk).

As for Altcointalk, I never used it but did have a brief look at it to see what it was about and it seems to be nothing special but from the outside looking in this forum will probably be seen as nothing special too. I guess Twitter it is then 

I ported my BTT to Altcointalk a few years ago when I was still an SR member here and I can confidently tell you that I didn't stay for more than a week before abandoning my account and leaving the forum, the place is total hell for those that want to discuss bitcoin, its more about shitcoin speculation forum, same with Cryptotalk where they paid members to post with some shitty token, it was in Satoshi in the early days but now they created a worthless token and that's whats holding some members over there.

The majority of Altcointalk's Hero and Legendary members are banned BTT users who port their rank to Altcointalk. (Account transfer is no longer permitted.)

[ImThour]

Interesting data, most of the banned accounts are for many reasons, and the major reason out of all those will be the Multiaccount of a similar person.

Imagine if this forum had KYC required to create your account. That 3.5 million registration will be impossible to achieve. I would say umm almost 1 million accounts are original. Rest 2.5 million are multi-accounts of those 1 million.