Why do you still want to play fake web2 casinos? Why we choose web3 casinos

[slapper]

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There’s really some web2 casino that unfair on customers and they can easily do this because they have the full control of the casino. I think he is just trying to emphasize here the main advantage of web3 decentralized casino.

Yeah, that's probably it. I also noticed that the OP mentioned "fake" web2 casinos in the title. And you know what? He's not wrong. There are some downright scammy online casinos out there, and they're a real threat to us players. They rig the games, manipulate the odds, and do everything in their power to make sure we lose our money. However, although the concept of web3 casinos, which operate on blockchain technology, may seem promising in terms of transparency and security, it doesn't guarantee that all web3 casinos will be trustworthy or immune to scams. Just like with any other industry, there will always be bad actors looking to exploit vulnerabilities and deceive unsuspecting players. Maybe even more so in this case, because the vast majority of web3 casinos will operate on decentralized platforms and smart contracts, which can introduce a whole new set of risks and challenges. Decentralized exchanges (DEXs), for example, have faced issues such as smart contract vulnerabilities, hacking incidents, and scams. Just as we have seen in the case of DEXs and other decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs), the risks and challenges associated with web3 casinos can indeed be significant.

There is no question that your friend is right. The online gambling industry has a notorious reputation for sneaky practises that leave customers high and dry. The excitement surrounding web3 casinos is well-founded; simply picture a fairground where the casino can't cheat, and you'll get the picture.

Let's face it though. The transparency of the blockchain may mitigate some of the risk, but it is by no means foolproof. Don't forget about the potential of smart contracts. They're as perceptive as the creators' thoughts. We've seen how even a small error can unleash a flood of problems, allowing hackers to steal thousands.

Remember that there will be no one to run to for help when things become rough because of decentralisation. The burden of security for your possessions now falls squarely on your shoulders. We are on the cusp of an exciting new era, a frontier full of both promise and danger. Let's be alert, study hard, and proceed cautiously across these unexplored frontiers!

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[blockman]

Web 3.0 is not fully operational yet and there’s still a lot of things that needs to update.

And this makes everyone want to believe that this web 3.0 concept is just a hype and buzz word that's being used mostly by different projects and even casinos.

So far Web 2.0 sites are still doing good especially if we are talking about the good gambling site here, when you say unfair its a broad description about the site and if you are experiencing problem with any site, then better to look for alternatives. OP’s site looks competitive too, better to go to the main thread and focus on that.

People have been used to web 2.0 and it doesn't matter once the relationship of the casino and customers have been built already. Customers wouldn't go somewhere else if they're confident and happy with the one that they use whether the concept is 2.0 or 3.0 or any.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Fake web 2.0 casinos? Seriously op? There are a couple of fake crappy ones for sure, but there are many popular web 2.0 sites which are great for gamblers though they do enforce KYC under certain conditions which is a bummer.

If BTC is somehow successfully integrated into web 3.0 platforms, many gamblers will definitely switch thanks to the decentralization aspect.

Web 3.0 is not fully operational yet and there’s still a lot of things that needs to update.
So far Web 2.0 sites are still doing good especially if we are talking about the good gambling site here, when you say unfair its a broad description about the site and if you are experiencing problem with any site, then better to look for alternatives. OP’s site looks competitive too, better to go to the main thread and focus on that.

People are yet to really get familiar with web 3.0 at the moment, it's just like when bitcoin was newly launched, many who knew it then, didn't place much trust on it, some even wrote it off as one of those gabbage internet money developed only to grab money from unsuspecting victims.
Web 3.0 is indeed, a better version is the internet as it promotes decentralization and helps users to truly own their content on the internet, but like we all probably already know, people find it hard to easily give up what they have used for several years and have come to trust, but all the same, we are looking forward to when web 2.0 will be completely ditched for web 3.0, until then, projects building on web 3.0 should really exercise patience.

[Casdinyard]

I agree with you that web3 casinos are potentially fairer than web2 casinos, with the consideration that they are open source and that fund handling is decentralized (as you claim in your thread). Though the reason your thread is moved to Altcoins is not because admins are against decentralization, it is because the forum is the Bitcoin forum...I don't agree with this personally because web2 casinos are sketchy at best these days, but that's just the rules. Unfortunately it is difficult to achieve the feet of a decentralized web3 game that accepts Bitcoin. If you do achieve that feet though, then you can gain exposure in this board.

A web3 game layered upon a web2 internet foundation is still a web2 game no matter what they say. Unless a true paradigm shift in the internet technology is made, such that it will usher in the introduction of web3, we can't expect web3 casinos to even come around let alone be playable. Plus, all these things about being open source and better fund handling could easily be made with technologies available in the Web2 layer, this just makes Web3 look more like a gimmick more than something that is necessary and somethign that we are slowly transitioning towards. So no, as much as I want a more fair and more interactive casino introduced by web3, until we solve these issues we're going to have to stick with Web2 solutions.

[JustBet]

Web2 Casino Advantages;

• More Games
• No technical knowledge needed
• You can print billions of dollars and giveaway
• You can let the influencers win high and advertise it

Web2 Casino Disadvantages;

• Anyone can ban you without reason
• Withdrawal issues
• KYC
• They can use your money(remember FTX)
• They can steal your money
• Not provably fair

Web3 Casino Advantages;

• No KYC
• Instant payouts
• Noone can ban your web3 wallet
• Noone can fool you with fake printed money and fake wins
• Provably fair through blockchain
• You can be the house and earn from casino profit

Web3 Casino Disadvantages;

• Less games
• Needs technical knowledge(using metamask, swap, bridge etc.)

anything I missed?

[Learn Bitcoin]

So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?

[maydna]

So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?

Both web2 and web3 casinos can be fair and unfair, but you have to pay attention to the reputation of a casino because reputation never lies. And if the web2 or web3 casino has a good reputation, they will not destroy their hard work but provide even better service. This is what differentiates it from other casinos where a casino's professionalism is well maintained. And what can really beat competition between casinos is how a casino can serve its members well because members only seek the satisfaction of playing gambling and the best service.

[coinerer]

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Web2 casino sites are still preferred by everyone because there is no need to connect one's personal wallet, which allows everyone to stay within certain gambling limits and protect their funds.  KYC on Web2 Casino site is a bit of a hassle for everyone but everyone likes it. Nowadays web3 casino sites are not yet preferred by people so I think web2 sites are the best so far but with the advancement of technology everyone is trying to improve everything in that case considering you can set up your site on web3 because in the market  There are huge amounts of web2 casinos out there so there are a lot of competitors

[JustBet]

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Web2 casino sites are still preferred by everyone because there is no need to connect one's personal wallet, which allows everyone to stay within certain gambling limits and protect their funds.  KYC on Web2 Casino site is a bit of a hassle for everyone but everyone likes it. Nowadays web3 casino sites are not yet preferred by people so I think web2 sites are the best so far but with the advancement of technology everyone is trying to improve everything in that case considering you can set up your site on web3 because in the market  There are huge amounts of web2 casinos out there so there are a lot of competitors

Not your keys not your coin

https://twitter.com/0xnbs/status/1666130116919930892?s=52&t=shA_rzsvc2hqA26wurRe0Q

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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Web2 casino sites are still preferred by everyone because there is no need to connect one's personal wallet, which allows everyone to stay within certain gambling limits and protect their funds.  KYC on Web2 Casino site is a bit of a hassle for everyone but everyone likes it. Nowadays web3 casino sites are not yet preferred by people so I think web2 sites are the best so far but with the advancement of technology everyone is trying to improve everything in that case considering you can set up your site on web3 because in the market  There are huge amounts of web2 casinos out there so there are a lot of competitors

Not your keys not your coin

https://twitter.com/0xnbs/status/1666130116919930892?s=52&t=shA_rzsvc2hqA26wurRe0Q

Well, yeah, but I think there is still some exceptions around this rather popular phrase "not your keys, not your crypto", because this days, scammers have become so advanced that even with your keys in your pocket, your crypto can still be stolen by you simply connecting your wallet to a maliciously coded platform and doing some simple transactions, we all read the news few days ago of how users of atomic wallet lost their funds with out them even having to connect their wallet to any known site, and atomic wallet is one of the top non custodial wallet in the market, things like this happening will do nothing but discourage a lot people from shifting to web 3 platforms, atleast until it becomes much more advances than how it currently is, and possibly become bulletproof to hacks and phishing.

[Learn Bitcoin]

So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?

Both web2 and web3 casinos can be fair and unfair, but you have to pay attention to the reputation of a casino because reputation never lies. And if the web2 or web3 casino has a good reputation, they will not destroy their hard work but provide even better service. This is what differentiates it from other casinos where a casino's professionalism is well maintained. And what can really beat competition between casinos is how a casino can serve its members well because members only seek the satisfaction of playing gambling and the best service.

I am surprised how Justbet casino representative accuses others of being not provably fair. They are actually trying to convert web2 casino players into web3. I would love to hear more detailed info from them about the provably fair accusation. Why do they thing web2 casinos are not provably fair? Can you prove that the technology they use to verify bets is unfair? If so, why don't you guys expose them? If you can convince the players, all web2 players will turn into web3 players. But if you cannot. You cannot say they are not provably fair. However, what about wallet draining of web3 casinos?

[coinerer]

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Web2 casino sites are still preferred by everyone because there is no need to connect one's personal wallet, which allows everyone to stay within certain gambling limits and protect their funds.  KYC on Web2 Casino site is a bit of a hassle for everyone but everyone likes it. Nowadays web3 casino sites are not yet preferred by people so I think web2 sites are the best so far but with the advancement of technology everyone is trying to improve everything in that case considering you can set up your site on web3 because in the market  There are huge amounts of web2 casinos out there so there are a lot of competitors

Not your keys not your coin

https://twitter.com/0xnbs/status/1666130116919930892?s=52&t=shA_rzsvc2hqA26wurRe0Q

Yes it is true, Not your keys not your coin. Everyone wants to keep their funds under their own control, but one of the risks is that when someone connects his personal wallet to a platform, he will not have the security of the funds in that wallet.  Because of this, a separate wallet has to be opened for gambling which is as troublesome as opening an account on a gambling site. But one advantage may be that KYC is not required here

[jostorres]

Web2 Casino Advantages;

• More Games
• No technical knowledge needed
• You can print billions of dollars and giveaway
• You can let the influencers win high and advertise it

Web2 Casino Disadvantages;

• Anyone can ban you without reason
• Withdrawal issues
• KYC
• They can use your money(remember FTX)
• They can steal your money
• Not provably fair

Web3 Casino Advantages;

• No KYC
• Instant payouts
• Noone can ban your web3 wallet
• Noone can fool you with fake printed money and fake wins
• Provably fair through blockchain
• You can be the house and earn from casino profit

Web3 Casino Disadvantages;

• Less games
• Needs technical knowledge(using metamask, swap, bridge etc.)

anything I missed?

I don't really agree with the disadvantages that you provided about web2 casinos, a trusted and reputable web2 casino will never ban their users without a reason nor will one have issues with withdrawals if they complete their KYC successfully. I also don't think that a good casino will steal your money or do anything with it as long as it is in your account and you haven't played and lost it.

And, the provably-fair system was first introduced by web2 casinos, so their games are also provably-fair unless the casino is new and not trusted in which case, not the whole web2 casino community is to be blamed because there are also casinos like Stake which you can take as an example.

[JustBet]

I don't really agree with the disadvantages that you provided about web2 casinos, a trusted and reputable web2 casino will never ban their users without a reason nor will one have issues with withdrawals if they complete their KYC successfully. I also don't think that a good casino will steal your money or do anything with it as long as it is in your account and you haven't played and lost it.

And, the provably-fair system was first introduced by web2 casinos, so their games are also provably-fair unless the casino is new and not trusted in which case, not the whole web2 casino community is to be blamed because there are also casinos like Stake which you can take as an example.

How do we confirm that they are provably fair?

[Doan9269]

So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?

You're right, everyone of them is working towards their own development and none is preferred than the other because they all have were they are best being applicable as preferred by rhe gamblers, now we can see that it has to do with our own personal and individuals preference, both the two have their both applaudable aspect and the other side which is the lapse even though it's minuts, also i think there's more concentration on web 3 these days since it's more advanced than web 2

[ultrloa]

So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?

You're right, everyone of them is working towards their own development and none is preferred than the other because they all have were they are best being applicable as preferred by rhe gamblers, now we can see that it has to do with our own personal and individuals preference, both the two have their both applaudable aspect and the other side which is the lapse even though it's minuts, also i think there's more concentration on web 3 these days since it's more advanced than web 2

It's just for now many trust those web2 based casino since majority of them already accumulated a good reputation compare to those new which claims about that fhey are web3 based casino. In matter of time this web2 reputable casino will adopt the changes if web3 technology will became more successful. But for now the same with other who stays on web2 reputable I chosento gamble with them since reputation all matters than those words.

[Learn Bitcoin]

It's just for now many trust those web2 based casino since majority of them already accumulated a good reputation compare to those new which claims about that fhey are web3 based casino. In matter of time this web2 reputable casino will adopt the changes if web3 technology will became more successful. But for now the same with other who stays on web2 reputable I chosento gamble with them since reputation all matters than those words.

This is not the problem here. Justbet is a platform that should focus on developing and improving its website. Instead, they are asking some questions which trigger web2 casinos. They directly accuse web2 casinos, saying those web2 casinos are unfair. I am also surprised that no casino representative has defended it yet. Or maybe did? I did not see any comment from web2 casino representatives. Justbet did not submit any proof of their claims. I have asked some questions in my previous post in this thread. Their casino representative simply choose not to answer while they was expecting answers from forum members.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Web2 Casino Advantages;

• More Games
• No technical knowledge needed
• You can print billions of dollars and giveaway
• You can let the influencers win high and advertise it

Web2 Casino Disadvantages;

• Anyone can ban you without reason
• Withdrawal issues
• KYC
• They can use your money(remember FTX)
• They can steal your money
• Not provably fair

Web3 Casino Advantages;

• No KYC
• Instant payouts
• Noone can ban your web3 wallet
• Noone can fool you with fake printed money and fake wins
• Provably fair through blockchain
• You can be the house and earn from casino profit

Web3 Casino Disadvantages;

• Less games
• Needs technical knowledge(using metamask, swap, bridge etc.)

anything I missed?

I don't really agree with the disadvantages that you provided about web2 casinos, a trusted and reputable web2 casino will never ban their users without a reason nor will one have issues with withdrawals if they complete their KYC successfully. I also don't think that a good casino will steal your money or do anything with it as long as it is in your account and you haven't played and lost it.

And, the provably-fair system was first introduced by web2 casinos, so their games are also provably-fair unless the casino is new and not trusted in which case, not the whole web2 casino community is to be blamed because there are also casinos like Stake which you can take as an example.

It is very true, I also believe that casino systems worldwide when it comes to Crypto options, what they trust the most is Provably Fair, even here in the forum it is Widely accepted and I think that if it makes a difference, I absolutely Personally, I think that many casinos that are Web2, or whatever, will always offer the same service, which is Fun, to make people play, that is what a casino is looking for , now that they do improper things is very Rare , however we have I've seen on the forum that there are casinos of casinos that wow do many things just to cheat , and that's the same way they're on file.

[Strongkored]

So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?

I can understand why the post above you said that because if I'm not mistaken he is the owner of web3 casino so of course he will try to convince that web3 casino is better but in reality it's like CEX and DEX on the exchange, many hate CEX but don't want to move to DEX, many consider casino web2 to be unfair but so far the development of casino web3 has not been able to compete with those that already existed, more than that players will also consider the number of games available at a casino, if it turns out that casino web2 has more games than which is still being developed of course players will stay with web2, and also web3 casinos can still commit fraud if they want, so it fully depends on their initial intentions when starting a business, so the assessment is very subjective.

[OgNasty]

I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.