Why do you still want to play fake web2 casinos? Why we choose web3 casinos

[Hispo]

He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.

I don't really see any significant success for the web3 platforms so far, we don't even have much in the industry for the time being, even if there are, most people don't use them due to trust issues because they require you to connect your wallet with the website in order to be able to gamble which can be risky if the website isn't trusted and all your assets are kept in that wallet, that's why these platforms aren't getting enough fame for now.

There might be a time in future when these web3 platforms will become popular and might even cross web2 platforms in popularity and revenue generating, but for the time being, web2 casinos are ruling the online gambling industry and there are no signs of them going down.

The issue of connecting one's wallet to use such platforms is truly a major issue with comes to trust, because most of people have used and continue to use software wallets which are easier to mess with remotely, to steal funds and invade the privacy of the users.

I think that if the industry of the hardware wallets was more widespread, it could be translated on more people not having to trust the  web3 casino, because it would not be a feasible way for a shady or scam casino to seize the private keys. They could partake in gambling without worries.

[coinerer]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

I doubt that the majority of the casino upgraded to web3 technology as in the real web which casino use smart contracts for a decentralized betting. Most of web3 application done by the casinos are just the application of web3 wallets to login on the casino but the rest of the experience is still web2 since they still offer same centralized game coming from 3rd party provider.

Web2 casino is still the best in terms of user experience because most of the providers is using wbe2 to have a better game design that is not limited to blockchain.

Let there be fun and people won't care where or which web the game is running on, I could decide to get rid of my PC for a PlayStation 5 to enjoy the games that are only available for PlayStation because they are more fun, if web 2.0 casino games are addictive enough, what else more do gamblers need? Will web 3 erase losses when gambling? Will web 3 introduce a way that gamblers can reduce losses? Who cares about all these? If I can gamble on a casino that gives me what I want I won't care if it's Web 1.2.3, it doesn't matter to me, the fun and experience is all I yearn for.

Yes web 2 or 3 no matter gambling requires high skill and prediction ability. But one thing should always be kept in mind that gambling should always be taken as fun and gambling should be done with a cool head. web 3 casino never guarantees profit to any gambler so why can anyone call web2 casino a scam? None can be called risk free because gambling is not gambling without financial risk.

[qwertyup23]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

I doubt that the majority of the casino upgraded to web3 technology as in the real web which casino use smart contracts for a decentralized betting. Most of web3 application done by the casinos are just the application of web3 wallets to login on the casino but the rest of the experience is still web2 since they still offer same centralized game coming from 3rd party provider.

Web2 casino is still the best in terms of user experience because most of the providers is using wbe2 to have a better game design that is not limited to blockchain.

Let there be fun and people won't care where or which web the game is running on, I could decide to get rid of my PC for a PlayStation 5 to enjoy the games that are only available for PlayStation because they are more fun, if web 2.0 casino games are addictive enough, what else more do gamblers need? Will web 3 erase losses when gambling? Will web 3 introduce a way that gamblers can reduce losses? Who cares about all these? If I can gamble on a casino that gives me what I want I won't care if it's Web 1.2.3, it doesn't matter to me, the fun and experience is all I yearn for.

Yes web 2 or 3 no matter gambling requires high skill and prediction ability. But one thing should always be kept in mind that gambling should always be taken as fun and gambling should be done with a cool head. web 3 casino never guarantees profit to any gambler so why can anyone call web2 casino a scam? None can be called risk free because gambling is not gambling without financial risk.

Prior to replying on this post, I have no clue about the difference between a web 2 vs a web 3 casino. Upon doing some searches, I stumbled upon this definition provided by Google, which is as follows:

The main difference between Web 2.0 and Web3
Whereas Web 2.0 is based on centralisation and control of a few institutions, Web3 promises a virtual landscape based on decentralisation and peer-to-peer transactions, mainly facilitated through the integration of blockchain technology.¹

This is very interesting- it implies that web 2 casinos have ownership over the game assets; whereas web 3 casinos, it is centralized and players have ownership over the game assets. I agree, players should definitely avoid web 2 casinos even if they may provide higher bonuses and rewards. The fact that the players have no ownership means that the game operators have full control and disposal over its assets.

1 https://www.computing.co.uk/sponsored/4062112/industry-voice-web3-affect-igaming-industry#:~:text=The%20main%20difference%20between%20Web,the%20integration%20of%20blockchain%20technology.

[danadc]

Since we are blessed enough to have the opportunity to use either the web2 or web3 casino gambling, we cannot arrived at the conclusion that one is fake over the other because they both serve different aspects under same purpose for better gambling experience for it users, there's no doubt that many of them have already upgraded to the web 3 technology because they realizes that it's what people want more these current dispensation.

I doubt that the majority of the casino upgraded to web3 technology as in the real web which casino use smart contracts for a decentralized betting. Most of web3 application done by the casinos are just the application of web3 wallets to login on the casino but the rest of the experience is still web2 since they still offer same centralized game coming from 3rd party provider.

Web2 casino is still the best in terms of user experience because most of the providers is using wbe2 to have a better game design that is not limited to blockchain.

Let there be fun and people won't care where or which web the game is running on, I could decide to get rid of my PC for a PlayStation 5 to enjoy the games that are only available for PlayStation because they are more fun, if web 2.0 casino games are addictive enough, what else more do gamblers need? Will web 3 erase losses when gambling? Will web 3 introduce a way that gamblers can reduce losses? Who cares about all these? If I can gamble on a casino that gives me what I want I won't care if it's Web 1.2.3, it doesn't matter to me, the fun and experience is all I yearn for.

Yes web 2 or 3 no matter gambling requires high skill and prediction ability. But one thing should always be kept in mind that gambling should always be taken as fun and gambling should be done with a cool head. web 3 casino never guarantees profit to any gambler so why can anyone call web2 casino a scam? None can be called risk free because gambling is not gambling without financial risk.

I would not call either of the two casinos a scam, I have all seen that they talk about web3, some do not know that it is a web3 casino, they can only be repeating what others say, but the profits of a web 3 casino are not possible then? I think that in every casino everything is possible, there is nothing that can avoid it, the only way is for the casino to capitalize with the money of the players and that is an uncommon and very risky practice, they are never successful in that when they do it, so I wouldn't call it that, I think that each casino has its rules , its rules, and there are Always winners and Losers.

[Fortify]

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453737.msg62314774#msg62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

The trouble with attacking people with rubbish accusations is, you don't win anyone over to your side of thinking and actively make people opposed to your idea. If this is how you treat strangers then I would never want to be a customer or user of your services in the first place, nevermind your decentralized claim. You seem unbalanced which could lead to all sorts of other problems down the line. It is irrational to claim "web2" casino's are fake when people are using them consistently for years, if not decades. You really need to rethink your marketing strategy as it is a total failure.

[slapper]

He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.

I don't really see any significant success for the web3 platforms so far, we don't even have much in the industry for the time being, even if there are, most people don't use them due to trust issues because they require you to connect your wallet with the website in order to be able to gamble which can be risky if the website isn't trusted and all your assets are kept in that wallet, that's why these platforms aren't getting enough fame for now.

There might be a time in future when these web3 platforms will become popular and might even cross web2 platforms in popularity and revenue generating, but for the time being, web2 casinos are ruling the online gambling industry and there are no signs of them going down.

You've touched on vital concerns - user trust and digital asset security - major hurdles for such platforms' broad acceptance.

The nascent blockchain tech underlying Web3 platforms adds to the trust challenge, as its understanding is not widespread. Also, the necessity for users to link their digital wallets to Web3 gambling platforms introduces potential security threats

Yet, these challenges are not intractable. Recall the early internet years; skepticism and initial reluctance often pave the way to acceptance as technology advances and benefits become clear. So, while Web2 platforms rule now, we can't dismiss a future shift as Web3 matures

[worle1bm]

Yes web 2 or 3 no matter gambling requires high skill and prediction ability. But one thing should always be kept in mind that gambling should always be taken as fun and gambling should be done with a cool head. web 3 casino never guarantees profit to any gambler so why can anyone call web2 casino a scam? None can be called risk free because gambling is not gambling without financial risk.

High skills is mandatory when you are playing some strategy based games so your experience will matter in that one but if we talk about general gambling like slots whether high RTP or low we need to be lucky to win that particular bet otherwise the outcome is loss only.But people are just taking this with Web 3  casinos but in general it's still the same and you need to play with your funds and be safe to choose the reputable casinos only as with new trends many scammers also want to take it as opportunity to find new victims.

[masulum]

It's not about web 2.0 or web3, for me the most important thing is that the provider is trusted, the deposit and withdrawal process doesn't take long, customer support available every need, game, uptime its more importan for me. Web3 might be considered better in terms of transaction speed, however, i think all providers have rules such as minimal confirmation for deposits, and the withdrawal process may not be done instantly, even though in fact it already supports web3.

[coinerer]

Yes web 2 or 3 no matter gambling requires high skill and prediction ability. But one thing should always be kept in mind that gambling should always be taken as fun and gambling should be done with a cool head. web 3 casino never guarantees profit to any gambler so why can anyone call web2 casino a scam? None can be called risk free because gambling is not gambling without financial risk.

High skills is mandatory when you are playing some strategy based games so your experience will matter in that one but if we talk about general gambling like slots whether high RTP or low we need to be lucky to win that particular bet otherwise the outcome is loss only.But people are just taking this with Web 3  casinos but in general it's still the same and you need to play with your funds and be safe to choose the reputable casinos only as with new trends many scammers also want to take it as opportunity to find new victims.

web3 casino only helps a gambler to avoid hassles in accessing the site dashboard. But web3 casino never guarantees profit to anyone and does not guarantee win. So don't see any reason to fuss over it. Web2 site is more secure in many cases as it requires a user to sign up instead of directly connecting a wallet like web3 site so no additional funds are at risked here. Gambling is a fun place where only entertainment is wise. Here web2 or web3 casino doesn't matter

[ethereumhunter]

This is what I'm thinking. I'm sure that government will find a way to tax gambler or worst completely ban the things that they cannot control such as decentralized casino. If somehow web3 casinos become a norm in the future and web2 casino is already losing it's traction, Government will surely implement things that they will gain something from knowing that the tax money they are getting from casino is getting smaller and smaller. I know we are heading to web3 but government makes me worries about the possible implementation that they can do to overall web3. It might be a revolution that we come to the point that government can't do anything to web3 platforms.

The government can find a way to tax all businesses because the government can look for loopholes that the government can exploit. And if things change in the future, the government can also find a way to get its taxes in both gambling and other businesses. The government can also tax web3 casinos because the government can easily pressure web3 casino owners to follow its rules. And the tax money earned will use to improve the economy. Well, let's just hope that the government people don't corrupt the tax money.

[delfastTions]

This is what I'm thinking. I'm sure that government will find a way to tax gambler or worst completely ban the things that they cannot control such as decentralized casino. If somehow web3 casinos become a norm in the future and web2 casino is already losing it's traction, Government will surely implement things that they will gain something from knowing that the tax money they are getting from casino is getting smaller and smaller. I know we are heading to web3 but government makes me worries about the possible implementation that they can do to overall web3. It might be a revolution that we come to the point that government can't do anything to web3 platforms.

The government can find a way to tax all businesses because the government can look for loopholes that the government can exploit. And if things change in the future, the government can also find a way to get its taxes in both gambling and other businesses. The government can also tax web3 casinos because the government can easily pressure web3 casino owners to follow its rules. And the tax money earned will use to improve the economy. Well, let's just hope that the government people don't corrupt the tax money.

I also think that the tax authorities will find an effective way to tax any casino and web3 casinos too.  Whenever a specific person or group of people who organized a casino and run this business is known, you can find ways to tax them.  But the problematic issue is not just how to collect such taxes, but how the money collected from taxpayers would be effectively used by the government.  And this is where I think there is a problem.  And yet such money is most likely used inefficiently, and in many countries it is also partially simply stolen by corrupt officials.  By the way, web3 casinos can be used for some interesting options for reducing taxes from such a casino and at the same time with the participation of just such corrupt tax officials and other officials. 
I believe that this is what officials in some not very developed jurisdictions will do.

[ethereumhunter]

I also think that the tax authorities will find an effective way to tax any casino and web3 casinos too.  Whenever a specific person or group of people who organized a casino and run this business is known, you can find ways to tax them.  But the problematic issue is not just how to collect such taxes, but how the money collected from taxpayers would be effectively used by the government.  And this is where I think there is a problem.  And yet such money is most likely used inefficiently, and in many countries it is also partially simply stolen by corrupt officials.  By the way, web3 casinos can be used for some interesting options for reducing taxes from such a casino and at the same time with the participation of just such corrupt tax officials and other officials. 
I believe that this is what officials in some not very developed jurisdictions will do.

I also think like that because I still often read news reports that corrupt officials corrupt the tax money paid to the state. That makes it inefficient because taxpayers have followed government regulations but it turns out that corrupt officials are corrupting their money. The government must eradicate this and can provide severe punishment to these corrupt officials.

If the money from the taxes can be put to good use by the government, surely the situation in that country can be more advanced because the money from the taxes is very large and can help the economy. But I don't really think about playing at web2 or web3 casinos because we have to know which casinos can provide comfort in playing gambling and these casinos must have good service for their members.

[bettercrypto]

The trouble with attacking people with rubbish accusations is, you don't win anyone over to your side of thinking and actively make people opposed to your idea. If this is how you treat strangers then I would never want to be a customer or user of your services in the first place, nevermind your decentralized claim. You seem unbalanced which could lead to all sorts of other problems down the line. It is irrational to claim "web2" casino's are fake when people are using them consistently for years, if not decades. You really need to rethink your marketing strategy as it is a total failure.

Besides that, who would want to use fake web2, no one with a normal mind would want that, right? I myself would not want to use such a stranger.

web3 casino only helps a gambler to avoid hassles in accessing the site dashboard. But web3 casino never guarantees profit to anyone and does not guarantee win. So don't see any reason to fuss over it. Web2 site is more secure in many cases as it requires a user to sign up instead of directly connecting a wallet like web3 site so no additional funds are at risked here. Gambling is a fun place where only entertainment is wise. Here web2 or web3 casino doesn't matter

I agree with what you said that there is absolutely no guarantee that web3 or web2 will be provided to gamblers in any casino gambling here in the crypto space. All we can really do as players is enjoy gambling, that's all.

[avp2306]

web3 casino only helps a gambler to avoid hassles in accessing the site dashboard. But web3 casino never guarantees profit to anyone and does not guarantee win. So don't see any reason to fuss over it. Web2 site is more secure in many cases as it requires a user to sign up instead of directly connecting a wallet like web3 site so no additional funds are at risked here. Gambling is a fun place where only entertainment is wise. Here web2 or web3 casino doesn't matter

I agree with what you said that there is absolutely no guarantee that web3 or web2 will be provided to gamblers in any casino gambling here in the crypto space. All we can really do as players is enjoy gambling, that's all.

They just hype web3 to be good but actually it really doesn't matter at all. Because the gameplay is the same and there's actually no big changes at all with this called upgrades. Casino players will always care about the fun and how trusted the casino is, maybe they will look for another technology introduce but this is actually not the main concern of everyone.

[dezoel]

It's not about web 2.0 or web3, for me the most important thing is that the provider is trusted, the deposit and withdrawal process doesn't take long, customer support available every need, game, uptime its more importan for me. Web3 might be considered better in terms of transaction speed, however, i think all providers have rules such as minimal confirmation for deposits, and the withdrawal process may not be done instantly, even though in fact it already supports web3.

There are basically no deposits and withdrawals in web3 casinos because everything is done on-chain, you connect your wallet with the casino and use your wallet balance directly to place bets, if you win, winnings are added to your wallet balance and if you lose, the bet amount is deducted from your wallet balance, that is how a true web3 or decentralized casino platform should and would operate if a platform doesn't work like that, it isn't web3 at all.

You are right that most people prefer going to casinos where they feel comfortable and safe with everything including their balance, customer support, the games they play, and anything that is important for someone as a gambler, and web2 casinos have been around for quite some time now, so they are trusted as well.

[jostorres]

The trouble with attacking people with rubbish accusations is, you don't win anyone over to your side of thinking and actively make people opposed to your idea. If this is how you treat strangers then I would never want to be a customer or user of your services in the first place, nevermind your decentralized claim. You seem unbalanced which could lead to all sorts of other problems down the line. It is irrational to claim "web2" casino's are fake when people are using them consistently for years, if not decades. You really need to rethink your marketing strategy as it is a total failure.

That's probably right, I think they could be way better off if they had gone to promoting their service without having to do this and calling web2 or centralized casinos fake or having disadvantages and stuff, we all know how the industry is or has been, web3 platforms are too new for us but we have been using centralized exchanges for years now, we would obviously not like it if someone comes accusing them only so that we use their services.

I've actually seen a lot of people and companies doing this thing and I don't understand why they think this can be an effective marketing strategy when it's actually not, it's so dumb to think that they will get the customers of another company by accusing them and praising themselves.

[Learn Bitcoin]

It's not about web 2.0 or web3, for me the most important thing is that the provider is trusted, the deposit and withdrawal process doesn't take long, customer support available every need, game, uptime its more importan for me. Web3 might be considered better in terms of transaction speed, however, i think all providers have rules such as minimal confirmation for deposits, and the withdrawal process may not be done instantly, even though in fact it already supports web3.

Some web3 casinos can be untrustworthy as well. OP claims that Web 2 casinos are unfair and Web 3 casinos are fair. I've repeatedly asked to back his claims by submitting any proof they might have. They decided to ignore my questions, and this thread is still up for a new discussion. we often see scam accusations that some fake website drained Metamask wallet or another wallet once they connected with some website.

There is no guarantee that web3 casinos won't do that if they have something bad in their mind. Once we deposit some amount on a web2 casino, we cannot lose more than what we deposited. But a web3 casino can drain your wallet that you connected to their website.

[wxa7115]

The trouble with attacking people with rubbish accusations is, you don't win anyone over to your side of thinking and actively make people opposed to your idea. If this is how you treat strangers then I would never want to be a customer or user of your services in the first place, nevermind your decentralized claim. You seem unbalanced which could lead to all sorts of other problems down the line. It is irrational to claim "web2" casino's are fake when people are using them consistently for years, if not decades. You really need to rethink your marketing strategy as it is a total failure.

That's probably right, I think they could be way better off if they had gone to promoting their service without having to do this and calling web2 or centralized casinos fake or having disadvantages and stuff, we all know how the industry is or has been, web3 platforms are too new for us but we have been using centralized exchanges for years now, we would obviously not like it if someone comes accusing them only so that we use their services.

I've actually seen a lot of people and companies doing this thing and I don't understand why they think this can be an effective marketing strategy when it's actually not, it's so dumb to think that they will get the customers of another company by accusing them and praising themselves.

We may not like it but it is quite likely that a promotion like that can very effective, just look at what happens with politicians during an election, in which they make all kind of claims as long as they think they can get an edge over their political rivals.

And very often if there is at least some truth to it then they will win a lot of votes and increase their chances of winning their election, so it is not surprising now we are seeing casinos engaging in the same kind of negative campaign against its competitors.

[libert19]

It's not about web 2.0 or web3, for me the most important thing is that the provider is trusted, the deposit and withdrawal process doesn't take long, customer support available every need, game, uptime its more importan for me. Web3 might be considered better in terms of transaction speed, however, i think all providers have rules such as minimal confirmation for deposits, and the withdrawal process may not be done instantly, even though in fact it already supports web3.

Arbitrum network on which just.bet runs on is a fast blockchain, you can make your transactions nearly instant by going 'aggressive' setting in metamask. Despite this, I wouldn't use this casino because even the cents as gas fees add up and become good amount one day.

Any web3 casino where you are required to pay gas fee is useless imo. However, web3 casino on fee-less blockchain is better than web2 casinos due to security it would provide to your funds but here or any other platform which requires gas fee for each task to perform, it's not so.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It's just for now many trust those web2 based casino since majority of them already accumulated a good reputation compare to those new which claims about that fhey are web3 based casino. In matter of time this web2 reputable casino will adopt the changes if web3 technology will became more successful. But for now the same with other who stays on web2 reputable I chosento gamble with them since reputation all matters than those words.

This is not the problem here. Justbet is a platform that should focus on developing and improving its website. Instead, they are asking some questions which trigger web2 casinos. They directly accuse web2 casinos, saying those web2 casinos are unfair. I am also surprised that no casino representative has defended it yet. Or maybe did? I did not see any comment from web2 casino representatives. Justbet did not submit any proof of their claims. I have asked some questions in my previous post in this thread. Their casino representative simply choose not to answer while they was expecting answers from forum members.

Well, whether it is web 2 or web 3 is not the thing, what really matters is that the casino is honest and advanced, that it has new functions that adapt to all types of players, not just specific ones, I have Given that many people support web3 casinos, which I do not see as much relevance, I think that a person who plays should be respected that they have their money in the casino and that they do not put any type of inconvenience when they go to make withdrawals, that they can have their money easily, this is how the efficiency of a casino is measured , which can be seen clearly well.

It's not about web 2.0 or web3, for me the most important thing is that the provider is trusted, the deposit and withdrawal process doesn't take long, customer support available every need, game, uptime its more importan for me. Web3 might be considered better in terms of transaction speed, however, i think all providers have rules such as minimal confirmation for deposits, and the withdrawal process may not be done instantly, even though in fact it already supports web3.

Arbitrum network on which just.bet runs on is a fast blockchain, you can make your transactions nearly instant by going 'aggressive' setting in metamask. Despite this, I wouldn't use this casino because even the cents as gas fees add up and become good amount one day.

Any web3 casino where you are required to pay gas fee is useless imo. However, web3 casino on fee-less blockchain is better than web2 casinos due to security it would provide to your funds but here or any other platform which requires gas fee for each task to perform, it's not so.

Many times I have Seen that some highlight the network under which a casino can be the best , the speed, the Security , I don't know if they remember it, but when the NFT games were in full swing they said that the metaverses would Soon Come , and the best network for these was Polygon, because the binance network was very congested, the network rates had increased enormously and yes, it was very true, at the last they were accepting minimum deposits of 100 usd so that they could be carried out with total comfort , but the Players no longer wanted the Binance network, and of Course it was Because of the Prices , that was Something that was always going to be Evidenced.