Established members and newbies

[reagansimms]

Who is helping and who is being helped.?
Established members only appreciate any effort from other members who contribute to the forum with valid and reasonable posts. I don't agree if you say the chance of rank up from newbie to a higher rank is very small, lots of members can be used as examples who have successfully ranked up from newbie to the highest rank.
The merit system does not prevent anyone from ranking up, you have to try to help yourself by contributing to the forum so that you get the attention of the Established members who can help you rank higher faster.

[nakamura12]

What you said is the same as begging for merits in order to rank up. We are not obliged to give merit to a newbies and one more thing, each forum members have their own criteria on how they give their merits. If you think that your posts deserved a merit then why not try submitting an application to fillippone's thread and see if your posts met the criteria that fillippone have then you'll receive a merit or more merits. A newbie giving contribution to the forum won't remain as a newbie and merit winbe a problem.

[Die_empty]

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up
The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.
I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit

OP in your first post I am a newbie, you asked how you can be productive in the forum. I looked at that thread and discovered that you received so much advice from members of the forum. I will advise you to go back and read the responses from the thread. Those responses even covered how to earn merits.

Learning and experience take some time and you need both of them to contribute meaningfully to the forum. Sometimes I spend time reading other people's threads not just because I want to reply but because I want to learn. If your post quality improves merit will come without stress. Be patient, and learn because you need them to survive in this forum.

[Patrol69]

Every forum member always tries to help relatively new members from their respective positions. You must have mentioned merit in your post. When you make a post, if that post is merited, then you will definitely get minutes for that post. And if the post is off topic or not eligible for merit, you will not get merit for that post. First of all, if you want to increase your rank from this forum, you have to improve the quality of your posts. Along with improving the quality of the posts, you have to be patient. If you post informative posts with patience, your rank will definitely increase.

[Poker Player]

Obviously you are using indirect way to seek and campaign for merit by sugar-coated some words concerning merit, let me inform you, merit doesn't come through this process...

That's what I thought. It's a typical post in this section of someone trying to fish for merit by talking about merit. Usually they are users who have not achieved any merit so far, and sometimes they get lucky and achieve their goal. That's why we have threads like this every now and then. For my part I don't see that they are worthy of merit, and I act accordingly.

[gordonics.com]

I'm a newbie like you, but my experience has been more than positive so far.
When I had a theme to submit, I always received very useful suggestions.

Grow up? It is by learning from the answers that one grows.

[Gallar]

The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.

on what basis do you conclude that the beginners in this forum, it is very difficult to rank up. You don't seem to have looked at the full extent of all the threads on this forum. Because if you explore this forum in its entirety, you will definitely find a thread that contains updates from the ranking list of BTT members, who receive monthly merits. There you will see beginners, who have quite a lot of merit, some even exceed the posts and activities they have. With facts like that, the opinion you put forward is not true.
So you don't draw conclusions like that, because it will make newbies in this forum think as you think.

Because according to my personal experience. Indeed, in the beginning I also had a bit of trouble getting my ranking up, but over time, and learning a lot from the many members in this forum, I was finally able to reach my current rank. So basically the members of this forum, whether they are beginners or other ranks, nothing is impossible to rank up. And most importantly, for beginners in forums, don't get too down when opinions or threads are considered to be of high quality, but no one appreciates them. Maybe it's the opinions or threads that are made, they are of high quality but not very interesting in the eyes of other users. Because you need to know that everyone's perspective and understanding is different.

[lovesmayfamilis]

  Wrong delusion, OP. Answer then, how do other members move to other ranks, if in your opinion Newbies are not given enough attention here? Maybe you think that someone came to the forum with a rank higher than a Newbie?
These are the misconceptions written by people who mistakenly believe and think too self-confidently about themselves, thinking that their posts are really valuable, but for some reason, no one pays attention to them. You don't know the forum well, and you're wrong. Not everything happens very quickly, first, walk around the forum and watch and also read, and I think you will change your mind. Start with yourself without blaming anyone, and change your thinking in line with education, and your posts will take on a meaningful look, which many users will definitely pay attention to.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.

OP, help to rank up, can come in two ways: first, if the newbie is persistent in their posting habit on the forum, and second, when the user's early topics are very informative or unique.

Persistence in posting doesn't mean the user should keep spamming.

Well, when I registered on this forum and also got to know about the merit and rank system, I thought it would be difficult to archive, but here I am. It's been about a week now since you registered your account, but all you have done is make five posts. Well, I believe you are still looking around, but if you have good energy, in a short time you will rank up, because I know that's what it is. You already had the thought of ranking up in mind before creating this thread. The truth is, there are a few members I know here who, when they were still in the newbie rank, had above 10 merit, which is even above the Jr. and Member rank or position. So, if you think newbies don't get help ranking up, I can say that you are totally wrong about that. Also, there are newbies who don't have a clear intention after they register their account and begin to make posts; those are the kinds of users that find it difficult to easily rank up.

[DaNNy001]

Don't worry OP, everyone has been were you are today as the forum is design for everybody to actually past this newbie stage so you don't need to feel you are been snub by anybody or any established member as you would put it.

To rank up in the forum is pretty easy if you are actually willing to improve yourself, firstly I would advice you to stop thinking about the merits and start contributing more to discussion here and creating valuable posts and the merits will start hunting you and you hunting for it.

[smyslov]

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up
The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.
I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit

I understand your concern but you have a misconception that accounts with higher rank get more merits because they deserved it based on who gave them merits, it's subjective you have to brand yourself even as a newbie so members will become familiar with you and your posting style and reasoning, just keep doing what you're doing newbies have a big task of making their post above standard, you have to work your way in.

[Sandra_hakeem]

You've barely made a good number of post and you're imploring that merits be distributed evenly? - cus, in your opinion, it's not... Assuming anyone feels like listening to you, does any of your Posts deserve atleast 5 merits for a start?? C'monnnn bro..
I once made an appraisal like this but it was when I realized I had 'em post but the merits weren't forth coming - at the time, Jay tried to convince me otherwise but I stood firm with my observations... _{you don't even have enough points to prove yourself correct... Cus I actually battled words with Jay and I guess that should've made a long script}
Put in the work buddy; you might be asking for yourself or someone else as everyone claims but that ain't even necessary to explain... Just do what's right .....your whole, possible best and, the outcome won't be regrettable.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[BitDane]

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.

One of the possible reason why they don't receive merit is that, the topic is already discussed and it does not add much contributions since as stated the topic already exist.  I do no think that ranking up for a newbie is slim, I even see topic created for inquiries get merit and there are merit drop thread where you can take advantage if your quality post is unnoticed.

I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit

Sending merit is subjective, if they find your merit amusing,  quality or agree to the message you post then merit will come your way.  Just have patience and put more effort to create quality post or thread. 

[SOKO-DEKE]

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up
The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.
I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit

You are just a new member in the forum, and this account was just created a few days ago. I don't expect you to focus on the way merit flows in the forum for now. This is just surprising to me that you are complaining about the way merit is flowing.and by the way is not every senior members that you are seeing in forum that are with smerit.

From my observations in this forum, getting merits is not something that is hard for any member, starting from a newbie to a legendary rank, but to get these merits, you need to post something that is worth contributing to this forum. Once you are producing quality posts that are attracting the attention of forum members, you will just be receiving merit from different ranks of members.
 
Why mostly newbies' posts are hardly merited sometimes is because of their repetition of posts. Many posts that are being posted by newbies these days are posts that have been posted long ago. Do you know that there are some junior-rank members who have received more merits more than their activities? but it is because their posts deserve it.

[Ndabagi01]

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up
The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.

I understand your point, and I felt the same way when I was a novice. However, this is not the case. Take your time and learn more about the forum; you'll learn how sharing good content can lead to a member receiving merits for their efforts to the topic. Another possibility is that the user does not find the topic interesting enough to earn a merit. It's simply a matter of choice, and I believe everyone can give out at any moment they wish to.

I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit

You don't have to explain that because I've witnessed cases where a beginner receives many merits for providing a single piece of information to the forum. Sometimes the usefulness of the message is more important than its size. If your post is worthy of merit, you will be rewarded.

[Agbe]

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up
The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.
I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit

Ahahaha Oga why are you beating around the bush instead of going to the main point. If a newbie make good contributions definitely Merits will be giving to him or her. And also giving merit to someone is not by force but by choice because what you see as a good post might not be a good post by another person. Because everyone has there way of understanding a post. If you want to rank up then make quality post then definitely Merits will come so you don't have to beg for merit to rank up. As this your newbie level read more than commenting. And when you understand the forum very well. Then you can navigate it the way you want.

[SatoPrincess]

You’re only a week old in the forum yet you feel the need to complain about the merit system. Its too early for you to conclude that that the system is not working. I was once a newbie and now I’m on my way to becoming legendary, my experience has been fair the merits I have is a reflection of how much effort I put into my posts. There are new accounts that made 1000 merits in less than 3 months, this was possible because of they were quality posters. It’s absurd to think that older members are circulating the merits to themselves. IMO I think it is easier for lower ranked members to get merits than it is for hero members and legendary rank.

[Uruhara]

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up
The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.
I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit

I once had the same feeling as you think OP. It's just that my assumptions have changed after I've been on this forum longer. Because it turns out that everything is about how much insight we have that we can put in the writing we make. and how useful the posts we make for users in this forum.

If you pay attention more broadly, there are even some beginners whose Merit acquisition has exceeded hundreds of Merit. although not much activity. or he just made a few posts only. i have seen users like that in the past year. and even now he already has thousands of Merit even though he is still at the Senior member rank.

And that is proof that these users do have good quality as a result of the knowledge they have is indeed very broad. and when he put it in writing, it didn't take much time in 1 day, the topic he made was rained on by Merit.

Focus on insight first and never give up.

But indeed there are some topics that are even quite good but don't get Merit at all. there must be some reason why this could happen. it could be because the topic is the same as it has been in the past or maybe it's because SM hasn't seen it.

[PytagoraZ]

Yes I agree with you. Getting 100 merits is not easy for newbies. In addition, newbies are also seen as having no abilities. Newbies are always explained about the rules and are not considered in the discussion

[Zetfexboo59]

Although I haven't spent much time on this forum I observed that when most newbie make a valid and reasonable post they only get nice replies instead of established members assisting in ranking them up
The chances of ranking up from a newbie is very thin in most cases  even for those striving to add value to the forum.
I am not imposing anyone to help others rank up but I am saying rank should not be a sole factor to consider when someone deserves a merit

Why does ranking bother you so much? You can just buy copper membership and enjoy the forum while hoping someone merits any of your posts on day.