How Confident Are You In The Reliability of the KYC system

[robelneo]

Both parties the player and the casino can agree to do a mediation through third-party/parties. but do you think it has bad consequences if the third party proves the player is right in establishing his identity, then the casino's KYC is not reliable?

This actually looks strange when there are sites that reject KYC because almost many casino sites that encourage users to do KYC thoroughly. Although some people or I personally consider KYC something that is not needed because considering it can leak our identity, but when there is a casino site that has a reputation and many users who reject KYC actually need to be questioned, it could be a mistake in filling in personal data so The site refused and did not finish KYC perfectly.

Until now I have never been involved in a big victory in gambling so that I have never felt rejected and also never did KYC on any casino site, because at this time I only play gambling with small bets that are not so routine. So that the KYC rejection case I have never faced and felt for now and there was also no reference regarding the issue.

You are on the safe side if you're playing with a small amount because you are not on the money laundering radar, but you can never be so sure even if you're playing a small amount but if you are suspected of violation of their terms they can ask you for KYC, KYC when you sign up to a casino that asks for KYC expect it even if you think you're playing safe or you are not betting a large amount.

I don't want to be specific on KYC issues but there are instances in the scam section where both parties have to ask third parties to interfere with KYC issues, we may question the casino for declining but a third party will validate or decline the documents of the player, for a player they have to waived and agreed to the results and both parties should trust the third party verifier.

[Rabata]

is part of what we agreed when we sign up to play in casinos but lately I've been reading a lot of complaints
about casinos on how they accept their players' KYC, is it possible that they can decline a person's credentials even though he swore that he submit all the right documents and even undergo a video call to establish his identity?

Take note, Casinos will ask or demand a KYC if there's a big winning involved, is this one of their ways to scam their players?

There are some casinos who plan to scam gamblers when they get big wins. They look for various types of faults of gamblers early and when they find those faults, they can easily block the withdrawal. Complaints of account blocking of some users have also been heard. These situations are faced only when the gambler gets a big win. And the gambler cannot get any information in advance about such a situation. So before gambling you must choose the right platform for avoiding such situations.

[bakasabo]

I dont trust KYC system at all. Mainly because documents are widely available on the dark market, thus making it stupid to ask to prove your «real identity», secondly, because based on sent documents (pictures and data), it is impossible to tell what kind of person is. Smiling and attractive person on a photo, that pays all the utility bill in time can be a real scammer IRL.

You describe the weakness of the system, but the casino will probably realize that the KYC documents uploaded by customers are not theirs. It might not be as fast as it could be, but when a customer has trouble with a withdrawal, then all may be revealed.

After all, KYC in casinos is a way for the government to expect casinos not to be used as a means of money laundering, but the negative impact even outweighs the positive impact. Privacy concerns are the most obvious, that's because some casinos are unable to keep their customer data from leaking to third parties.

But KYC does not prevent casinos being used for money laundering. It seems that KYC for casinos are more formality then some kind of mechanism to prevent money laundering or cheating. Especially in casinos where gamblers can place bets. Casinos does not monitor 24/7 who is behind the device that is used to gamble. In case there is a trouble with withdrawal, anyone can spend $100 and get perfectly done IDs and get his money. People may even pay thousands to get fake passports, if the withdrawal amount is huge. And casinos can do nothing about it.

[slapper]

is part of what we agreed when we sign up to play in casinos but lately I've been reading a lot of complaints
about casinos on how they accept their players' KYC, is it possible that they can decline a person's credentials even though he swore that he submit all the right documents and even undergo a video call to establish his identity?

Take note, Casinos will ask or demand a KYC if there's a big winning involved, is this one of their ways to scam their players?

There are some casinos who plan to scam gamblers when they get big wins. They look for various types of faults of gamblers early and when they find those faults, they can easily block the withdrawal. Complaints of account blocking of some users have also been heard. These situations are faced only when the gambler gets a big win. And the gambler cannot get any information in advance about such a situation. So before gambling you must choose the right platform for avoiding such situations.

The shadowy side of the bright and shiny online gaming world appears tarnished by unprincipled acts. Its heartbreaking to learn about winners blocked unexpectedly. Yet, the responsibility of protecting oneself shouldnt fall solely on the gambler. Regulatory bodies must enforce more robust safeguards for bettors. Also, online casinos need to uphold transparency and honesty: no compromise on ethical norms.

Thus, while picking the right platform is wise advice, it should be paired with broader regulations for casino accountability

[FanEagle]

There are some casinos who plan to scam gamblers when they get big wins. They look for various types of faults of gamblers early and when they find those faults, they can easily block the withdrawal. Complaints of account blocking of some users have also been heard. These situations are faced only when the gambler gets a big win. And the gambler cannot get any information in advance about such a situation. So before gambling you must choose the right platform for avoiding such situations.

The shadowy side of the bright and shiny online gaming world appears tarnished by unprincipled acts. Its heartbreaking to learn about winners blocked unexpectedly. Yet, the responsibility of protecting oneself shouldnt fall solely on the gambler. Regulatory bodies must enforce more robust safeguards for bettors. Also, online casinos need to uphold transparency and honesty: no compromise on ethical norms.

Thus, while picking the right platform is wise advice, it should be paired with broader regulations for casino accountability

Regulations on online gambling is very hard, most of the casinos get their license from curacao, and as long as you pay them enough, they will let you do whatever you want to do and not really put any blame on you.

There are websites that could be used for this, but unfortunately most of those websites are paid to remove websites, so if you write a bad complaint, then they can pay the website and it will be removed, hell they abuse this and write bad reviews themselves even, to get payment from casinos, and casinos started to ignore it, and we started to ignore them too. So all in all there is really no regulation right now, casinos are dealing with trust, if you trust them enough, you do it and if you are lucky, then you won't have any bad happen.

[ethereumhunter]

The casino refuses KYC data that has been sent by the customer and asks for other documents. Usually these customers make large deposits or even want to withdraw big wins from the casino, so the casino requires data that is truly genuine.
This is all done because it seems that the casino also wants to know that money with large amounts of money deposited by customers is real money that belongs to itself, not the result of money laundering and the casino also has the right to ask for other documents because if the customer wins big and the withdrawal is confirmed without any checks would harm the casino itself.
Because if the customer comes from a country where gambling is prohibited, of course this will be a problem for the casino too.

This is usually the case because the casino wants to make sure its customers are not involved in any illegal activity that could harm the casino. Checking the KYC documents in full makes casinos feel at ease but on the other hand, many gamblers feel uncomfortable about submitting complete documents to the casino. They thought that there should be no need to do KYC by sending lots of personal documents but that's what happened. And only people who feel confident about the casino that the casino is a trusted casino will do KYC so that their gambling accounts are verified and they can also play more calmly.

There is not only one legal document, and there are several that are owned by everyone, so it is only natural that casinos ask for other documents that are different from casinos out there.
Assuming the casino is fraudulent just because they ask for different documents is unethical in my opinion as that would give rise to some debate unless it is proven the casino has committed fraud.
I have used more than 1 casino so far and some that I have provided verification also with different documents but still valid documents that I have.

Yes, if you really feel suspicious or don't trust the casino, then it's better to use another casino, which is easier to verify accounts.

Unless the casino is a shady one, the gambler can suspect it. But even if it is a shady casino, those gamblers should not use it for gambling and can choose another casino that has a clear reputation. We will only verify at trusted casinos and do not choose shady casinos or scam casinos because they can misuse our data. We should play it safe at a trusted casino that won't give us problems later. So if we know the reputation of a casino, we can decide calmly and don't need to worry about scam problems because a trusted casino will not disappoint its users.

[tusandii]

There is not only one legal document, and there are several that are owned by everyone, so it is only natural that casinos ask for other documents that are different from casinos out there.
Assuming the casino is fraudulent just because they ask for different documents is unethical in my opinion as that would give rise to some debate unless it is proven the casino has committed fraud.
I have used more than 1 casino so far and some that I have provided verification also with different documents but still valid documents that I have.

Yes, if you really feel suspicious or don't trust the casino, then it's better to use another casino, which is easier to verify accounts.

Unless the casino is a shady one, the gambler can suspect it. But even if it is a shady casino, those gamblers should not use it for gambling and can choose another casino that has a clear reputation. We will only verify at trusted casinos and do not choose shady casinos or scam casinos because they can misuse our data. We should play it safe at a trusted casino that won't give us problems later. So if we know the reputation of a casino, we can decide calmly and don't need to worry about scam problems because a trusted casino will not disappoint its users.

Nowadays there are lots of trusted casinos that have good reputations in the gambling industry so when we have suspicions about one of the shady casinos, there is no need to try to access it to play because it is very risky, especially giving KYC data because some casinos are shady will only abuse the KYC you provide.
If you have to provide personal data or other valid data to play gambling, of course you will also choose a casino that is trusted and has a good reputation.
The mistake of beginners is that they think that new casinos or small casinos can provide benefits, but in reality some of these casinos cannot be trusted and only harm gamblers.

[Oshosondy]

There are some casinos who plan to scam gamblers when they get big wins. They look for various types of faults of gamblers early and when they find those faults, they can easily block the withdrawal. Complaints of account blocking of some users have also been heard. These situations are faced only when the gambler gets a big win. And the gambler cannot get any information in advance about such a situation. So before gambling you must choose the right platform for avoiding such situations.

Do not be disappointment if you have a small win and a casino, sport betting site or other gambling site do not want to release your money for you unless they have checked your account and make sure that you do not violate the gambling rules. This happen most especially if you have not withdrawn money from the gambling site before. It is not only about big withdrawal, also small withdrawal.

What I noticed about big withdrawal is that, sites that do allow their customers to gamble and withdraw without KYC will request for KYC before the person will be able to withdraw. If you check their terms of service, they will have maximum withdrawal limit amount for no KYC customers included there.

[wiss19]

A casino that refuses valid documents from us is probably a scam casino because if we use those documents to verify other sites and they accept them fine, it should also be fine to verify on other sites, including the casino. I only think that way because the document is our personal and original property. So it's very strange if the casino refuses it and instead asks for other documents besides verifying our gambling account.

That's why we must find a casino that won't do that. Many other casinos still accept our documents and verify them properly so that our gambling account will be verified. But I don't think we need to continue if we have already submitted documents to the casino and they refuse it and instead ask for other documents. Usually, the casino suspects something, so they ask us to send other documents.

There should be no other reason for a casino to refuse your KYC documents unless they are unclear, not readable, pictures aren't well taken, or there is something else that makes them not valid for the verification. If you submit documents that are valid, readable, not expired, having all corners visible, and you have taken the pictures with good lighting, the casino would never reject them unless they don't want to accept you in the first place.

The very first thing one should do when they get their documents and KYC rejected is they should check again if they have done everything right, if they are satisfied with what they did and think it's something from the casino, they should try another platform.

[darewaller]

Well, it's tricky to deposit in some casinos that have that "optional KYC" if you are not ready to complete it if needed. I am the one who doesn't like KYC, and I will avoid it whenever I can, but in case of some problem with "taking the money out of the casino" I am ready to complete the KYC procedure.

I guess if someone is confident to deposit and play in some casino should be comfortable with the KYC system as well. Especially if some higher amounts are in question... you trust them with your money why shouldn't you trust them with some additional info?

Optional means we are not forced to do it and I expect that there will be no surprise KYC that can happen later on. If there will be like that then I believe they are called non-mandatory KYC casinos but only the gambler that should play here are ready to do a KYC just in case the site asks it later on. I like to play on casinos like this because I can get on the game immediately but I will try to make sure first that they are legit.

but in case of some problem with "taking the money out of the casino" I am ready to complete the KYC procedure.

Huh? I thought you didn't KYC. Are you confused or what? Hmm, but I think if we accidentally won a life-changing amount, I don't think anyone will let the casino confiscate it just because of KYC but these people can possibly make an exception even for once.

[ethereumhunter]

Nowadays there are lots of trusted casinos that have good reputations in the gambling industry so when we have suspicions about one of the shady casinos, there is no need to try to access it to play because it is very risky, especially giving KYC data because some casinos are shady will only abuse the KYC you provide.
If you have to provide personal data or other valid data to play gambling, of course you will also choose a casino that is trusted and has a good reputation.
The mistake of beginners is that they think that new casinos or small casinos can provide benefits, but in reality some of these casinos cannot be trusted and only harm gamblers.

Yes, I agree with you about choosing only reputable casinos for gambling. And if we have to do KYC, we can do it at a trusted casino because we believe the casino will not abuse our provided data. They can certainly take good care of it and will also protect their customer data.

Beginners can choose the casino well and won't choose it wrongly. But they are often tempted to try a new casino or a casino they already know is a scam casino because they see very attractive promotions. And that is the initial mistake of beginners that they must be well aware of so they don't make the same mistake again in the future.

There should be no other reason for a casino to refuse your KYC documents unless they are unclear, not readable, pictures aren't well taken, or there is something else that makes them not valid for the verification. If you submit documents that are valid, readable, not expired, having all corners visible, and you have taken the pictures with good lighting, the casino would never reject them unless they don't want to accept you in the first place.

The very first thing one should do when they get their documents and KYC rejected is they should check again if they have done everything right, if they are satisfied with what they did and think it's something from the casino, they should try another platform.

If the document we provide is valid and has been used to verify on other sites, it shouldn't be a problem for verification at the casino either. And when the casino still asks for other documents, the casino should also have no problems and can immediately approve our request for verification. But many people choose the wrong casino. They do KYC but are rejected by the casino for various reasons so they can do nothing but complain. If the casino is in this forum, they can complain and ask for help from us here to forward it to the casino representative. But if the casino isn't here, we won't do anything about it. Before verifying or registering at a casino, we should always check it more thoroughly, especially when we see information that requires us to do KYC so we won't have problems later.

[Kakmakr]

I find that the lower level KYC requirements are very easy to prove, but when they start to ask the proof of income ....then things become tricky. The casinos almost always have issues with the "Proof of income" documents and you see complaints about this all over the Internet.

I do not know if it is a interpretation thing or a lack of knowledge on the side of the people that are verifying these documents... but it is a problem with almost all of the casinos. 

[Crypt0Gore]

I can confidently pass any KYC requirement if the casino I want to use is very popular, I don't see any reason not to pass KYC because I have not heard about someone getting into trouble because of KYC, we only procrastinate about what could happen if you keep giving out your identity online but what could possibly go wrong?

Some people have made KYC verification a very bad thing, but it's not, I have been passing KYC since 2017 and I have no problem doing it now, the only places where you aren't supposed to pass KYC are suspicious platforms and scam projects.

If the platform either casino or trading platform, is very popular among traders and gamblers I don't see any reason not to trust them with your KYC, and if you believe it's still not right, do find yourself a platform where they don't want your KYC information.

[Botnake]

Some people have made KYC verification a very bad thing, but it's not, I have been passing KYC since 2017 and I have no problem doing it now, the only places where you aren't supposed to pass KYC are suspicious platforms and scam projects.

That's the perception held by some. However, if they were to understand that KYC is a regulatory requirement that must be implemented by casinos, they would comply with confidence rather than resist it. Perhaps casinos should also provide explanations about why they require KYC, ensuring that everyone is aware of this necessary requirement. This way, people would not be misled or have misconceptions about such a fundamental requirement.

[Hispo]

Some people have made KYC verification a very bad thing, but it's not, I have been passing KYC since 2017 and I have no problem doing it now, the only places where you aren't supposed to pass KYC are suspicious platforms and scam projects.

That's the perception held by some. However, if they were to understand that KYC is a regulatory requirement that must be implemented by casinos, they would comply with confidence rather than resist it. Perhaps casinos should also provide explanations about why they require KYC, ensuring that everyone is aware of this necessary requirement. This way, people would not be misled or have misconceptions about such a fundamental requirement.

To be fair, I could easily see some fake casino or shady casino also ask for KYC verification for the sake of keeping a facade of authenticity and also they could use that information later to earn money in the dark markets, you know the typical data which is used by criminals to perform sophisticated campaign of fishing.

So, in my opinion, even though KYC is indeed a requirement used by legitimate casinos, we cannot rule out the possibility I just explained and keep our funds only in reliable and long standing webpages.

[Jawhead999]

There are many centralized sites has a problem about their security, data breach or leaked are nothing new, that's why until now I don't want to submit any KYC especially in a casino site. You wouldn't know who's behind the site and how they can make sure your data is completely safe against hacker, all you can do is trust them. In order to prevent it make sure you're only use a site that never demand KYC, Freebitco is the example of no KYC casino.

[Finestream]

is part of what we agreed when we sign up to play in casinos but lately I've been reading a lot of complaints
about casinos on how they accept their players' KYC, is it possible that they can decline a person's credentials even though he swore that he submit all the right documents and even undergo a video call to establish his identity?

Take note, Casinos will ask or demand a KYC if there's a big winning involved, is this one of their ways to scam their players?

There are some casinos who plan to scam gamblers when they get big wins. They look for various types of faults of gamblers early and when they find those faults, they can easily block the withdrawal. Complaints of account blocking of some users have also been heard. These situations are faced only when the gambler gets a big win. And the gambler cannot get any information in advance about such a situation. So before gambling you must choose the right platform for avoiding such situations.

Yes, I'm afraid that these kind of scams and problems have become a norm and unfortunately, more and more gamblers have become a victim to some platforms because after having a big winnings, the platform will then initiate their scam and refuse the bettor to withdraw the money they had won. I'm afraid that this problem will be left unsolved because casinos have their own reasons why they did that even if it wasn't really reasonable at all. That is also why we should trust and play to the refutable ones only.

[adzino]

KYC or

Know Your Client (KYC) is a standard in the investment industry that ensures advisors can verify a client's identity and know their client's investment knowledge and financial profile.

Reference: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/k/knowyourclient.asp

is part of what we agreed when we sign up to play in casinos but lately I've been reading a lot of complaints
about casinos on how they accept their players' KYC, is it possible that they can decline a person's credentials even though he swore that he submit all the right documents and even undergo a video call to establish his identity?

Take note, Casinos will ask or demand a KYC if there's a big winning involved, is this one of their ways to scam their players?


(don't want to make reference to any casino because other casinos could implement this).

Both parties the player and the casino can agree to do a mediation through third-party/parties. but do you think it has bad consequences if the third party proves the player is right in establishing his identity, then the casino's KYC is not reliable?

If the third-party proved that the casino is right but the player swore that he submit all the documents and is willing to do the extra mile to establish his identity, can we conclude that Casino's KYC procedure is different and we have the right to know how and what system they are using to decline our submission because we can be the next to suffer from this Casinos' KYC system?

What do you mean by third party? Any modern online casino uses a third party provider to automatically verify the users identity. It would be tedious to manually confirm each and every users identity. And yeah, prone to errors and would be difficult to know if someone is submitting a false ID or something. Third party providers uses automated system that can instantly verify the identity of the users. There is no "space" for the casino to deny or say that the documents are false (unless the thirdparty provider itself finds that the documents are forged/fake). So I don't think verification is an issue here.

And no, its not a scam. Read the terms of service. Most likely it says you must complete KYC at any point. If you go to a bank and withdraw say like more than $10,000, you will be flagged, reported and will be asked to provide additional information to the bank sometimes. Does that mean the bank is trying to  scam you? Nope, following some rules and that's it.

[len01]

Yes, I'm afraid that these kind of scams and problems have become a norm and unfortunately, more and more gamblers have become a victim to some platforms because after having a big winnings, the platform will then initiate their scam and refuse the bettor to withdraw the money they had won. I'm afraid that this problem will be left unsolved because casinos have their own reasons why they did that even if it wasn't really reasonable at all. That is also why we should trust and play to the refutable ones only.

your worries will mean nothing because we can always understand that the casino always wins because they have full rights to what they have and we as customers can do nothing but accept all decisions with disappointment. with this we already understand that it will be very important when we always choose a casino site that has a good reputation and definitely with the most customer trust before sending KYC to that platform. because it will be very important if we choose a big and popular casino at least there is no such action except for cheating customers so there is no problem in the casino refusing a customer's big win.
although this is not a guarantee but at least if we are in a trusted casino we will always be more comfortable with the responsibility of this big casino and don't want its reputation to be destroyed for cheating customers using KYC.

[Helena Yu]

Do you care with your privacy? you must never share your personal information in everywhere, but I know you guys already broke it because you've share your identity to airdropped project, centralized exchange, university, volunteer, scholarship program, social medias etc.

Now why bother about giving KYC to a centralized casino? it fall to the same category where your personal information could be misused.