rby distrust me without any reason

[Helena Yu]

I distrust him because he give a positive feedback to bbigtart who was previously busted someone wearing double signature. Firstly he didn't give a positive feedback, but the first one is robelneo, I suggest him to change his positive feedback to neutral feedback, but after few posts I realized rby sent a positive feedback to and disagree with my point.

But two weeks later someone busted bbigtart was using AI to post, this make robelneo delete his positive feedback and rby change his positive feedback to neutral feedback.

I remember someone warned both of us, but we still proceeded to hand the positive feedback to the user for bursting scam
I didn't delete my positive feedback, rather I turned it to neutral while being able to capture the AI writing as a reason to change feedback from positive to neutral.

I don't to be hard on my trust list, but I just want to wait for few months to see their progress either they will start to change their habit to leave a positive feedback to a worthy user or not. That's why I not exclude them when they already delete/change their positive feedback before.

Now the funny thing rby distrust me, without any solid reason!

~Helena Yu's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. NEW rby (Trust: neutral) (336 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

He didn't reach my PM to talk about the reason I distrust him, so I'd better to open a new thread and explain it here.

Did I distrust or trust wrong user? did I leave an inappropriate feedback or flag? did I support or oppose a flag? show me.

This is retaliation distrust, can this be said as abuse of trust list?

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[rby]

He didn't reach my PM to talk about the reason I distrust him, so I'd better to open a new thread and explain it here.

Do you distrust people and go back, sit and wait for them in  your PM to come and explain themselves and if possible worship you, then you can remove them from your distrust list?
If so, when you discovered that I distrusted you, why didn't you reach my PM to know why I distrusted you?

Welldone! You are making your own standards and faulting them yourself.

[examplens]

Helena, The first thing you need to accept is that you don't take things like this too personally.

Now the funny thing rby distrust me, without any solid reason!

Although the trust lists are public and everyone can see them, it is still some kind of personal opinion of each member. For some reason, rby felt that your opinion did not match his understanding, so he decided to put you on his distrust list. What is a solid reason for you, does not have to be the same for me or rby, or any member here.

He didn't reach my PM to talk about the reason I distrust him, so I'd better to open a new thread and explain it here.

I have 200+ members on my ~list, I mostly added them for a good reason (at least for me) and I would really hate to get 200+ PMs and have to explain why that is.

Did I distrust or trust wrong user? did I leave an inappropriate feedback or flag? did I support or oppose a flag? show me.

It's your choice, you don't need to ask others to explain what your opinion is.

This is retaliation distrust, can this be said as abuse of trust list?

In most cases, no. Unless you think that no one should put you on their distrust list.

[Poker Player]

Lol. Really? A new thread for this? I suggest OP to lock the thread and move on.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I just presented how JollyGood, with his trust list, explains to all the dissenters why he gave them a tilde.
OP, no one owes you anything. A person can put a tilde sign for any action, maybe rby does not want to trust you without any explanation, especially in public. And this is a better action than leaving reviews, which are sometimes without reason. Just accept the rule that you can't be loved by everyone.

[YOSHIE]

This is retaliation distrust, can this be said as abuse of trust list?

We here have millions of brains, millions of different minds, different countries, different ways of judging someone, you trust someone and you don't trust someone, it's not a regiment or a war. everyone has freedom in judging. point.

@Helena Yu, if @rby doesn't trust you and puts you on @rby's Trust list, you can do the same thing as @rby did, isn't that how the problem is solved.

So now you two, don't trust each other, it's your right. finished.

[Helena Yu]

Helena, The first thing you need to accept is that you don't take things like this too personally.

Although the trust lists are public and everyone can see them, it is still some kind of personal opinion of each member. For some reason, rby felt that your opinion did not match his understanding, so he decided to put you on his distrust list. What is a solid reason for you, does not have to be the same for me or rby, or any member here.

I didn't taking any personal, no hard feelings, I always try to become objective. Example in this case where I leave a neutral feedback because there's no solid evidence even though there are DT members were leave negative feedback.

"Personal opinion of each other", I don't think it's correct when you distrust someone because of your disagreement, put on ignore list could be an option.

I just presented how JollyGood, with his trust list, explains to all the dissenters why he gave them a tilde.
OP, no one owes you anything. A person can put a tilde sign for any action, maybe rby does not want to trust you without any explanation, especially in public. And this is a better action than leaving reviews, which are sometimes without reason. Just accept the rule that you can't be loved by everyone.

JollyGood is an exception because he have contributed a lot, just like other controversial DT members.

If he don't want to trust me, it should be in the middle of trust and distrust which is neutral, if he distrust me that's mean he not trust everything I do in this forum. It's true any user can leave any feedback, include exclude someone in their trustlist, create flag etc, but everyone are always stick with this rule LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

Do's and Don'ts

• Don't exclude users from your Trust list based on retaliation. It's okay to trust someone's judgement, even when he doesn't trust yours.

[lovesmayfamilis]

If he don't want to trust me, it should be in the middle of trust and distrust which is neutral, if he distrust me that's mean he not trust everything I do in this forum. It's true any user can leave any feedback, include exclude someone in their trustlist, create flag etc, but everyone are always stick with this rule LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

Do's and Don'ts

• Don't exclude users from your Trust list based on retaliation. It's okay to trust someone's judgement, even when he doesn't trust yours.

Do you know what you want? You added the tilde to it yourself, didn't you? So he should swallow it and put up with it? What makes you think that a person you do not know should trust you at a time when you do not believe him? I don't understand. Ignoring posts is also a way out, and you cannot know if he does it or not; this, again, is his own business.

Don't forget, personal trust lists are everyone's business.

[LoyceV]

The beauty of a personal Trust list is that you can include or exclude anyone you like. The downside of all this is that others get to do it too. Some you'll agree with, some you don't.
In an ideal world, others will base their own Trust list amongst other things on the Trust list of the user in question. So all in all it's really not a big deal. I sometimes get curious, but in general I wouldn't creating a topic about it.

he give a positive feedback to bbigtart
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rby change his positive feedback to neutral feedback

That means your reason to exclude him disappeared too. Excluding someone for this seems a bit hash to me.

This is retaliation distrust

Unfortunately, many users do that.

To add a different perspective: when you distrust someone's judgement, literally his entire Trust list becomes meaningless to you. Isn't that the reason you excluded him in the first place? Don't worry about it.

[CYBER_COWBOY]

Why do you care if he trust you or not?
It´s up to him who he want to trust and not trust, and also up to you who you want to trust or not trust.
No big deal, life goes on and it´s a life outside bitcoin talk to, i doubt anything will change in your life because of this.

[holydarkness]

OP, why is this matter so much for you that you made a topic about it? Pure curiosity. Rby is currently not on DT and quite far away from his path to reach DT1 if he aimed for it. Him distrusting you wouldn't bear much effect to your account and forum's experience. [No offense, rby]

And to answer your question, I think this is the correct way to use the forum's trust system. Though Loyce advise --as you've quoted, so it's established that you're aware about the thread-- to not distrusting someone solely on retaliatory purpose, the trust and distrust list is there to facilitate members of the forum to express their trust toward someone's judgement. Rby did not trust your judgement, and you did not trust his --hey look, you both are backscratchers, congratulation-- he didn't think you leave an accurate feedback and so do you. End of story.

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You should add users who left accurate feedback and have good Trust lists to your Trust list, and you should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback.
This means your Trust list should be based on how you value the users' judgement on others, and it should not be based on whether or not you Trust those users (with money) or traded with them.
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[rby]

Do you know what you want? You added the tilde to it yourself, didn't you? So he should swallow it and put up with it? What makes you think that a person you do not know should trust you at a time when you do not believe him?

Helena Yu is a righteous _saint who condemns people to judgement. He reserves the exclusive right to trust, distrust, ignore, blacklist or tag anyone. No one dares to distrust a Saint for any reason not approved by the Saint.

he give a positive feedback to bbigtart
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rby change his positive feedback to neutral feedback

That means your reason to exclude him disappeared too. Excluding someone for this seems a bit hash to me.

No, he didn't see that. If Helena Yu was theymos, everyone would have been in one another's distrust list by default.

Rby is currently not on DT and quite far away from his path to reach DT1 if he aimed for it. Him distrusting you wouldn't bear much effect to your account and forum's experience. [No offense, rby]

Why would I be offended when you are stating the facts, or you fear that I shouldn't distrust you?

Asshole, when next you type my name, whether it is starting a sentence or not, please start it with a lower case
It is always rby and not Rby --Thanks man

[holydarkness]

Rby is currently not on DT and quite far away from his path to reach DT1 if he aimed for it. Him distrusting you wouldn't bear much effect to your account and forum's experience. [No offense, rby]

Why would I be offended when you are stating the facts, or you fear that I shouldn't distrust you?

Asshole, when next you type my name, whether it is starting a sentence or not, please start it with a lower case
It is always rby and not Rby --Thanks man

You do aware that double negative infers a positive, right? So me fearing you should-not dis-trust me can also be read as me fearing you should trust me. LOL. All jokes aside tho, that's just me being polite. I know you won't be offended by my statement.

Well, uhh... Hood, well noted on the way you prefer your name to be spelled. My sincerest apology on this [this one is not me being polite, it's real] I usually pay good attention on how a username is written, specifically scrolling and opening a thread in new tab just to be sure I wrote the name and each capitalization, symbols, etc. to be as how the user wrote their name. But sometimes I also slipped. Please don't expect no more typo in the future.

[Poker Player]

This is retaliation distrust

Unfortunately, many users do that.

It can be painted as retaliation or we can think that if someone does not trust my ability to leave correct feedbacks and my trust list, I have a good reason to distrust his judgement, because I trust my ability, probably the one I trust the most is myself.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

This is not much of an issue, from the first to the last comment I have read here. Just move on, Helena Yu. What really matters if someone decides to distrust you? And it's just one user among the thousand active users here? Is nothing; perhaps it's not a tag. rby has his reasons, which he can still change the Trust if he got a reason to do so.

By the way, I just have a sharp question; I really don't know about it or may have missed reading it somewhere on the forum. The question is, "How do I know that someone has added me to their distrust list? Would someone be so kind as to point me to this, please?

[robelneo]

I'm holding back since there's mention of my name but prefer to wait for experts on this subject for their output and they did not fail me, they summarize what I have in my mind

Lol. Really? A new thread for this? I suggest OP to lock the thread and move on.

You really knew what's coming  

We could have a topic of the subject and it will make a good discussion but OP made it specific and pointed out rby's action, so it becomes useless because it becomes retaliatory in nature and rby exposes OP's character, she could just ignore it.

Helena, The first thing you need to accept is that you don't take things like this too personally.

I also discourage this kind of subject it will backfire if you question a member's prerogative

I hope Helena can move on and lock this thread you are not on my distrust list, I agree with many of your posts and opinions here in Bitcointalk.

[Poker Player]

I have to say that in the past I had a couple of cases of people who distrusted me, I didn't care, kept trying to use the trust system the best way I could, without telling them anything, and eventually they removed me from their distrust list. I guess it also helped that I went through old feedbacks and deleted some and added new ones little by little.

[avp2306]

There are people will like what you do and there are people disagree to so for that scenario better move on. You cannot please all to include or distrust you since its their personal choice to do that action.
We can't control anyone's mind so best not to get hurt if someone distrust you just like what rby do. Much better to send a pm to discuss about this situation since there's no use to create a thread like this since it will just create nonsense noise here.

[lovesmayfamilis]

By the way, I just have a sharp question; I really don't know about it or may have missed reading it somewhere on the forum. The question is, "How do I know that someone has added me to their distrust list? Would someone be so kind as to point me to this, please?

You already have your own list of people you personally trust. In the same way, nicknames of people who do not trust you may appear on this list. (~Dr.Bitcoin_Strange's judgment is Distrusted by:)
If you have created your trust list, I think you understand that by adding a tilde to the name, you are sending a person to a list of people whose reviews you do not believe.
Although if there is a chance to express sympathy, I would trust you more than the opposite.

https://loyce.club/trust/2023-06-10_Sat_05.07h/3509753.html

[Doan9269]

Since this is a neutral tag maybe it's something that requires less worries OP, that doesn't stop you achieving anything neither does it deter you from achieving anything, I think that's is own way of expression about how he feels about you, another reason why you may not really show much interest is because it's not showing on your trust ratings from the one displayed together with your profile since it's not the one coming from a DT member.