'John Abraham ≈ naim027' Coincidence or Connection?

[rby]

Royse777 ≈ Cratoon ≈ John Abraham ≈ naim027 now?

You really think I have time for signature spamming, account farming and all these shits?

Royse777 must be a superman or a bot for him to be naim027, John Abraham, AnotherAlt, cryptoSoul, Cratoon and one other account I can't remember it's name. It was used by naim027 for ban appeal. Someone who can farm these accounts is really someone who has no other things to do apart from posting and applying in signature campaigns and not someone like Royse777 who manages upto 5 different campaigns and also manage bounties and other services.
I avoided the drama in the reputation board for few days, before I could return more dramas unfolded. I see that Poker player has tagged what seems to be an official account of Paradice casino. Following the conversation allowed me to understand that paradice themselves admitted that naim027 is among people that uses the account for official purposes. Which I think there is nothing wrong with that. Because business if registered is a separate entity from people controlling it. A brand can sue and be sued.

But naim027 or whoever was using the account to post outside the paradice thread, involved in many threads in the forum where their business name was not mentioned is where the problem lies. The official status of the account has been humiliated and as such it lacks the capacity to vouch for either naim027 or John Abraham.

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[JollyGood]

As the John Abraham is no longer in a signature campaign the person using the account will probably let it fade away soon because if it cannot generate any income (or money) for the person controlling the account, it will be of no use.

That at the very least is one positive to appear from this thread that naim027 was posting using strong religious beliefs as a way of conducting himself as well posting complete paradoxical explanations certain opposite conduct. Add to the compulsive lying and attempted manipulations along with the using of profanities then it is a reminder of the reasons why he was distrusted by many members (and it was not just because he had many alt-accounts).

[Poker Player]

Am I the only person to whom John Abraham, i.e. naim027 has sent a PM regarding feedback?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Am I the only person to whom John Abraham, i.e. naim027 has sent a PM regarding feedback?

No, I got a PM from him earlier today and in it he mentioned that he was going to contact you.  I imagine the message he sent me is similar to what you received, though what I got was a long-winded explanation as to why he and naim027 aren't alt accounts.

There's enough evidence in this thread that points to the two accounts being controlled by the same person--at least enough for me to feel comfortable tagging the John Abraham one.  The moderators might feel differently or require a higher standard of proof, but there's always been that disconnect between them and DT members. 

By the way, I don't want people presenting their arguments for removing a tag being delivered via PM.  Everything should be out in the open so that the community can weigh in--at least that's the way I see it.  So John Abraham, if you want to share additional info please do it here.  Nobody's forcing you to, but I'm requesting that you do.

[Poker Player]

No, I got a PM from him earlier today and in it he mentioned that he was going to contact you.  I imagine the message he sent me is similar to what you received, though what I got was a long-winded explanation as to why he and naim027 aren't alt accounts.

I deleted it without reading it. 3 red tags and two other neutrals that are almost negative because they say they don't trust him, are enough for me.

I am open to review of my feedback, especially if evidence is presented, but I am not willing to be messed with, especially by someone who is especially skilled at manipulating.

[JollyGood]

Am I the only person to whom John Abraham, i.e. naim027 has sent a PM regarding feedback?

No, I got a PM from him earlier today and in it he mentioned that he was going to contact you.  I imagine the message he sent me is similar to what you received, though what I got was a long-winded explanation as to why he and naim027 aren't alt accounts.

There's enough evidence in this thread that points to the two accounts being controlled by the same person--at least enough for me to feel comfortable tagging the John Abraham one.  The moderators might feel differently or require a higher standard of proof, but there's always been that disconnect between them and DT members. 

By the way, I don't want people presenting their arguments for removing a tag being delivered via PM.  Everything should be out in the open so that the community can weigh in--at least that's the way I see it.  So John Abraham, if you want to share additional info please do it here.  Nobody's forcing you to, but I'm requesting that you do.

Well, I also received a PM from the John Abraham account. It seems those that left negative trust on his account received the PM.

I also think working behind the scenes via PM to provide information or present arguments is not best practice if the objective is to try to have feedback/trust either removed or revised. When presenting a case if everything is out in the open for all to see there can be no doubt about what is going on when questions and answers are put forward. In these types of matters the community should (as you said) be able to weight in.

I will not reply to the PM but also will state that if the John Abraham account has anything to add then he should post it here for all to read.

[rby]

No, I got a PM from him earlier today and in it he mentioned that he was going to contact you.  I imagine the message he sent me is similar to what you received, though what I got was a long-winded explanation as to why he and naim027 aren't alt accounts.

I deleted it without reading it.

Buzz!
Poker player, did you really do that? If actually you did will I say you were very unfair to him or will I say you were kind of mean or wicked to him. Whatever language I use doesn't really matter because you reserve the right to doing what pleases you but I feel that you went too far or you took it personal
I understand that some forum users whose records are not clean are always afraid of JollyGood, do you want to take over from JG? I know too well that if such message was sent to JG, he'll atleast read even if he will feel indifferent.

By the way, I don't want people presenting their arguments for removing a tag being delivered via PM.  Everything should be out in the open so that the community can weigh in--at least that's the way I see it.

Some matters relating to this are better discussed in private because it is easy to convince one person than to convince a multitude. However, John Abraham taking the lane of PM at this juncture of the matter is not acceptable. It is late to use the pm. The community is very much aware of this matter and many people have discussed here. If Abraham has more evidences to vindicate himself, he should drop them here.

[Mahdirakib]

I imagine the message he sent me is similar to what you received, though what I got was a long-winded explanation as to why he and naim027 aren't alt accounts.

Was it just a long text message, or was there any kind of evidence (screenshot of conversation)? It has become a failed attempt from him to remove the negative feedbacks as none of you have changed the decisions.

It seems those that left negative trust on his account received the PM.

naim027 was trying to unban his account by sending PM's to moderators and administrators. Now he (John Abraham) is trying to convince three of you to clean his account reputation. We shouldn't forget that we are dealing with a liar and storyteller

While you guys can try to match up to much data with other accounts, The truth is those are not my alts.

After being exposed, the confession has zero value.
This is not only a confession but also an explanation of the story. Yes, I own all four accounts. I was Evading a ban. I tried to pretend like a new user.

[JollyGood]

Well if that is the case he has failed because it looks as like the three forum members that left negative feedback (Poker Player, The Sceptical Chymist and myself) have all taken individual decisions to not revise nor modify the respective feedbacks.

I think it is clear to him he has lost the account as far as earning an income from it is concerned therefore he tried his best at trying a different approach to attempt manipulation via the PM route.

naim027 was trying to unban his account by sending PM's to moderators and administrators. Now he (John Abraham) is trying to convince three of you to clean his account reputation. We shouldn't forget that we are dealing with a liar and storyteller

While you guys can try to match up to much data with other accounts, The truth is those are not my alts.

After being exposed, the confession has zero value.
This is not only a confession but also an explanation of the story. Yes, I own all four accounts. I was Evading a ban. I tried to pretend like a new user.

[_BlackStar]

naim027 was trying to unban his account by sending PM's to moderators and administrators. Now he (John Abraham) is trying to convince three of you to clean his account reputation. We shouldn't forget that we are dealing with a liar and storyteller

But wait – I was just wondering why you didn't tag him ^{[John Abraham]} after you made a provable accusation with some valid data?

I'm not urging you to tagging John Abraham - but just curious when you convince some DTs not to consider removing the tags or revising it for John Abraham.

So far John Abraham has also had time to PM me on 14th June 2023 - he explained something about the situation, but I can't take it for granted. Of course I pressed him to explain the matter and prove all the makes sense in public rather than in private - but since then I haven't followed the story anymore.

[John Abraham]

As I said before, I have enough serious reasons not to post in public. So, I wanted to write them in DM because I don't feel safe posting everything in public. I don't have to convince everyone. I just wanted to talk with them and cooperate with the necessary information document they want, which I may not be able to post publicly.

They might have some personal issues with Naim, and now they showing anger with me, considering I am Naim.
If they don't want to hear me, that's fine.

[Poker Player]

Well, I have John Abraham, I mean naim027, on ignore and since this is supposedly about a hypothetical, though very unlikely, incorrectness of my feedback, I have temporarily removed him from ignore to see what he says:

As I said before, I have enough serious reasons not to post in public.

You are off to a bad start.

So, I wanted to write them in DM because I don't feel safe posting everything in public.

You keep on the bad track.

I don't have to convince everyone.

It's not that you don't have. It's just that you don't.

I just wanted to talk with them and cooperate with the necessary information document they want, which I may not be able to post publicly.

Garbage.

They might have some personal issues with Naim, and now they showing anger with me,

Anger? Rather boredom.

If they don't want to hear me, that's fine.

So why are you talking?

I am putting you back on ignore forever.

[invincible49]

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Since when did an early days developer of Rubycoin with its ticker RBY as username for this forum trying to nick a living through signature campaign and specially after a long 7 years of break from the forum along with hundred of deleted replies re-Rubycoin developments in many places in the forum including here: https://archive.ph/wip/6fUkn? You are not making yourself that much helpful to this known cheater/abuser/ban evader/compulsive liar's case. And also, I have nothing to prove that it is an account which might have been compromised or changed hands but I will post it anyway! Best of luck to everyone getting rid of this Naim027 and his countless bought accounts in the forum!

[Little Mouse]

Since when did an early days developer of Rubycoin with its ticker RBY as username for this forum trying to nick a living through signature campaign

Why don't you create a dedicated thread instead of posting off topic here? Don't you think you are driving the discussion into something else? If you have any say on this, you better create a thread.

[invincible49]

Since when did an early days developer of Rubycoin with its ticker RBY as username for this forum trying to nick a living through signature campaign

Why don't you create a dedicated thread instead of posting off topic here? Don't you think you are driving the discussion into something else? If you have any say on this, you better create a thread.

No. I believe I am entitled to say what I think might be a clue to get other alts of that Naim027 through exposure of accounts like that. It's obvious there were many accounts tried hard to prove Naim027's innocence in last year's saga in a deleted thread and seems same case this year around. Cheers. It feels you have always been very jumpy on whoever has had tried to encounter that cheating sc*m since last year's saga. Fishy much? 

[rby]

So far John Abraham has also had time to PM me on 14th June 2023 - he explained something about the situation, but I can't take it for granted. Of course I pressed him to explain the matter and prove all the makes sense in public rather than in private - but since then I haven't followed the story anymore.

He is doing some selective Pms.
I am curious if the Pms sent to all has same content or each user with a separate message. I also agree with you that at this time John Abraham should be using here instead of Pm. If he continue using PM and more than 3 people reports his account, he might be risking 7days ban or more.

No. I believe I am entitled to say what I think might be a clue to get other alts of that Naim027 through exposure of accounts like that. It's obvious there were many accounts tried hard to prove Naim027's innocence in last year's saga in a deleted thread and seems same case this year around. Cheers. It feels you have always been very jumpy on whoever has had tried to encounter that cheating sc*m since last year's saga. Fishy much? 

This naim027 must be a super human or a bot.
He is naim027, he is John Abraham, he is AnotherAlt, he is cryptoSoul, he is Dic3lov3r, he is paradice, he is Royse777 and now he is an early developer rby, who knows he could also be Little Mouse 

[invincible49]

This naim027 must be a super human or a bot.
He is naim027, he is John Abraham, he is AnotherAlt, he is cryptoSoul, he is Dic3lov3r, he is paradice, he is Royse777 and now he is an early developer rby, who knows he could also be Little Mouse  

Who knows? He could be! That's something many of us have seen many times. I know a guy named Khan or something like that had 10+ full and senior member accounts- all were being used for signature campaigns at the same time. He was first being caught by Bitbollo for spreading bs about Covid in Italian thread. I caught a guy with 30+ accounts once and at least 10 of those were being used for his scam projects bounty programs. In your case, I don't buy that you are the real owner of RBY account which may or may not be connected to naim027.

[rby]

This naim027 must be a super human or a bot.
He is naim027, he is John Abraham, he is AnotherAlt, he is cryptoSoul, he is Dic3lov3r, he is paradice, he is Royse777 and now he is an early developer rby, who knows he could also be Little Mouse  

Who knows? He could be! That's something many of us have seen many times. I know a guy named Khan or something like that had 10+ full and senior member accounts- all were being used for signature campaigns at the same time. He was first being caught by Bitbollo for spreading bs about Covid in Italian thread. I caught a guy with 30+ accounts once and at least 10 of those were being used for his scam projects bounty programs. In your case, I don't buy that you are the real owner of RBY account which may or may not be connected to naim027.

I was looking for a way to tell you to correct your quote, so I waited for you for while for you to figure it out and you did.
If you ever caught someone with 30+ accounts that's great. I went through your post history and discovered that you are good at exposing scam, ban evasion and cheating. I never know you until now. I only know about lovesmayfamilis, Ratimov, Poker player and others. Hope you use bot notifier such that whenever I see something fishy I'll mention your username to do some investigations.
Meanwhile, you have till eternity to clear your doubts. Let's not derail this thread, John Abraham might have something interesting to say. Cheers!

[nutildah]

In your case, I don't buy that you are the real owner of RBY account

You're right, they're not. The account was created to promote a coin called Rubycoin, lol.

Funny that they deleted all their posts from Sept 2015 to Jan 2019  

wonder why that is... oh its because the account was owned by a scammer and then sold to its present owner.

wonder why they bother sticking their nose in threads about alt accounts, lol.

@rby if you are the original account owner, it would appear you still owe CleanWaterCoin 2 BTC, so pay up  

[rby]

In your case, I don't buy that you are the real owner of RBY account

You're right, they're not. The account was created to promote a coin called Rubycoin, lol.

Yes!

Funny that they deleted all their posts from Sept 2015 to Jan 2019  

Delete your old posts if you feel they are below standard and lose interest in some certain boards and/or projects.

wonder why they bother sticking their nose in threads about alt accounts, lol.

Mention me anywhere or quote my conversation anywhere and I will be there in a while. I'm everywhere

@rby if you are the original account owner, it would appear you still owe CleanWaterCoin 2 BTC, so pay up  

There are trends batches in the crypto industry, the trend of bounties and owning projects came and passed and no one owned anyone. If there were people owing people, some people should owe me upto 10BTC  = $302,850k