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November 04, 2023, 11:58:14 PM
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I guess the favorite will be Galatasaray!
They are now showing a truly beautiful game more than ever. No matter what, they go to the front. look at the game against Bayern. Didn't Galatasaray show skill! This is the same club that deserves the best. It has a perfect balance of defense and incredible attack! that's why they're doing so well! If I'm wrong, correct me!

Yes, you are right, in the match against Bayern Munich Galatasaray gave their resistance. even though it's only in the first half. for me it was very natural, because Bayern excelled in the early minutes. Like it or not, Okan Buruk instructed his squad to play more offensively and put pressure on the opposing team. What Galatasaray did in the first half was successful, by equalizing from the penalty box.
but in the second half, Tuchel came up with his real strategy and tactics. he proved that the two teams had different gaps.  proven, Bayern beat Galayasaray with a score of 1-3. In the second half, Bayern showed their true game.

Just look at the match statistics, Bayern are far superior both tactically, technically and in terms of player quality. Well, explain that in football there is always a part of tactics and plans carried out by the coach. However, it cannot be denied that Galatasaray played well in the first half. but that's normal, as I said above. Moreover, the match was played at Galatasaray headquarters.  but the final result, Bayern won the match.

Now let's forget for a moment about the Galatasaray vs Man United match in the second leg, after all, these two teams will play their match together on the fourth matchday of the group phase. The point is, can Galatasaray win the match when they visit the Allianz Arena. if so, their chances of qualifying for the next phase are wide open.
On the other hand, with United, if they win their match over their opponent. The Galatasaray vs United meeting will be the deciding match. So, to ensure that, let's wait for this match to take place.

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November 04, 2023, 11:59:35 PM
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I think progressing to the next round of the UEFA Champions competition will be very difficult for Manchester United and that's because of the number of points they were able to get after three group stage matches. United has only secured three points from a possible 9 points and even of they beat Copenhagen again in the midweek, I think it'll be Bayern Munich and Galatasaray who will qualify from the group. Galatasaray's last two games will be against Manchester United in their home ground before traveling to Copenhagen for final game if the group stage.

Manchester United has 3 points right now and their next match is with Copenhagen. I am also wishing Manchester united to win the next match so they go above Galatasaray and that will be another great day for the club. It will be a show of life for the Manchester United to quickly go back to form even as second in the table standing so they can move to the next level of round of 16 with other big teams.

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November 05, 2023, 12:24:27 AM
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Even though Group F is the hell group, but at the same time their performance in the local league is also not completely consistent. Perhaps, this factor also made them inconsistent in this group phase. Apart from that, the teams in group F do not have a good history in the Champions League, except for Milan. Because yes, only Milan in this group which has a good history in the Champions League but at this moment too, at least Milan doesn't have a definite guarantee of being able to dominate group F . Therefore, maybe because of this factor it is also what makes this hellish group a little forgotten, although I think it remains become an interesting group because their matches are difficult to predict.
Regarding all UEFA Champion League group stage seems Group F is most difficult group depend there are not any one teams have secure their position will lead to 16 round. Indeed PSG lead top standings awhile their position not secure yet exactly if loss on next match from Milan and Dortmund or Newcastle United take three points. In Group F have doubt opportunity with AC Milan will lead to knock out round, they have poor performance in Champion League after failure winning in last three matches. Last night defeated by Udinese and bad capital before facing PSG on matchday 4 of Champion  League group stage match.

Good history achievement in their participants on Champion League its not really important, did you see Milan who teams have winning more Champion League tittles in Group F but difficult to win last three matches.

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November 05, 2023, 01:40:58 AM
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I think progressing to the next round of the UEFA Champions competition will be very difficult for Manchester United and that's because of the number of points they were able to get after three group stage matches. United has only secured three points from a possible 9 points and even of they beat Copenhagen again in the midweek, I think it'll be Bayern Munich and Galatasaray who will qualify from the group. Galatasaray's last two games will be against Manchester United in their home ground before traveling to Copenhagen for final game if the group stage.
Bayern Munich will make every supporters beliefs to be extremely serious games in games. Aggressive teams are completely prepared to take on their opponents, regardless of how important or difficult these games may turn out to be. UCL Group A is chock-full of outstanding performances from elite teams. These teams are not giving up and are willing to expend all of their energy on the field in order to maintain their current rankings. Manchester United's qualification for the next round is not a concern because all they need is consistency and player improvement to obtain good outcomes.

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November 05, 2023, 04:42:01 AM
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Talking about favorite teams for winning Champion League actually Manchester City is the first number and allow by Real Madrid then Bayern Munich, for Barcelona I don't really optimistic for winning Champion League tittle.
If we are just speculating, the strongest candidate for us should be a club that has very reliable star players and is proud of everyone, such as Manchester City has Haaland, then Real Madrid has Bellingham and Bayern Munich has Harry Kane.
Even though Barcelona also has superior players like Lewandowski, for me it is not enough to just rely on 1 player like other big clubs which have full support from other reliable players so I have the same speculation as you that it seems like Barca will find it a little difficult to win the Champions League title this season this is because after losing Messi Barca will not be as strong as before.

For the Champions League ehh? I'm rooting for Real Madrid to win at the end of this seasons Champions League Campaign. They might not have a natural striker and  even Joselu present has not be solid.for them, for if he has he was, scoring ten to fifteen goals he would have scored.

A club with Pep Guardiola has the experience and the tactics, they can do anything, so Manchester City comes next in line for this Champions League. Bayern Munich has plans to make more significant signatures during the January Transfer Window. They will look very dangerous.
Barcelona Robert Lewandoski already back but not so fit, and these injuries have caused a big reduction to his form.

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November 05, 2023, 06:40:02 AM
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I think progressing to the next round of the UEFA Champions competition will be very difficult for Manchester United and that's because of the number of points they were able to get after three group stage matches. United has only secured three points from a possible 9 points and even of they beat Copenhagen again in the midweek, I think it'll be Bayern Munich and Galatasaray who will qualify from the group. Galatasaray's last two games will be against Manchester United in their home ground before traveling to Copenhagen for final game if the group stage.

Manchester United has 3 points right now and their next match is with Copenhagen. I am also wishing Manchester united to win the next match so they go above Galatasaray and that will be another great day for the club. It will be a show of life for the Manchester United to quickly go back to form even as second in the table standing so they can move to the next level of round of 16 with other big teams.
if Man United is able to get another win, they can beat Copenhagen, of course they still have hope because Galatasaray will definitely lose points against Bayern Munich at home, it will be very difficult because Bayern Munich is too strong an opponent for Galatasaray, so Man United still has a chance to continue in the next round, but this time this match is at home to Copenhagen. are we sure Man United can win? or does it just end in a draw?
TBH, I doubt Man United can win and from my predictions after winning at home with 1 score the next match will end in a draw or Copenhagen wins and if that really happens Man United loses this team will be at the bottom of group A which will be very embarrassing.

my advice would be to be more careful betting on the Copenhagen vs Man United match.

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November 05, 2023, 07:09:32 AM
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If we are just speculating, the strongest candidate for us should be a club that has very reliable star players and is proud of everyone, such as Manchester City has Haaland, then Real Madrid has Bellingham and Bayern Munich has Harry Kane.
Even though Barcelona also has superior players like Lewandowski, for me it is not enough to just rely on 1 player like other big clubs which have full support from other reliable players so I have the same speculation as you that it seems like Barca will find it a little difficult to win the Champions League title this season this is because after losing Messi Barca will not be as strong as before.
Im of same opinion as yours as it regards Barcelona winning the champions league this season. they are doing well enough in their domestic league but I don't think the competition here in the UCL is such that they can really cooe with so well currently.

Barcelona aswell ha e got some other good players asides lewandoski, Felix is one player in Barcelona who is showing so much potential and the rotation tactics of their coach seem to be working well for them most times so we can't underestimate them but in the presence of very experienced teams such as Real Madrid and Manchester city I think they're at a disadvantage but then they would most likely go beyond the group stage and the next
I also agree about this. That Barcelona might have difficulty in the Champions League. But at least Barcelona this season seems to be able to qualify for a higher stage than last season when they were eliminated in the group stage.

But I personally don't really agree about Barcelona not having players as good as Haaland, Bellingham or Harry Kane. Because in my opinion the arrival of two players borrowed by Barcelona this season, namely Joao Felix and Joao Cancelo, has actually really helped Barcelona become better at the moment. Even Lewandowski started to get better again after the arrival of Felix in the front row of the Barcelona squad. But if you have to compare then of course the squad that Real Madrid has is more convincing. But we must not forget last season. Well, last season, all the clubs that were favored from the start had to be eliminated early. And that only leaves Man City. So it doesn't rule out the possibility that this season there will be clubs that we don't expect to beat the favorite teams.

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November 05, 2023, 07:28:53 AM
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I think progressing to the next round of the UEFA Champions competition will be very difficult for Manchester United and that's because of the number of points they were able to get after three group stage matches. United has only secured three points from a possible 9 points and even of they beat Copenhagen again in the midweek, I think it'll be Bayern Munich and Galatasaray who will qualify from the group. Galatasaray's last two games will be against Manchester United in their home ground before traveling to Copenhagen for final game if the group stage.
Bayern Munich will make every supporters beliefs to be extremely serious games in games. Aggressive teams are completely prepared to take on their opponents, regardless of how important or difficult these games may turn out to be. UCL Group A is chock-full of outstanding performances from elite teams. These teams are not giving up and are willing to expend all of their energy on the field in order to maintain their current rankings. Manchester United's qualification for the next round is not a concern because all they need is consistency and player improvement to obtain good outcomes.
In fact, Manchester United has appeared inconsistent in the Champions League, the only victory thats Manchester United has achieved so far was against Copenhagen at Man United headquarters.
I think it is difficult for Manchester United to qualify for the group stage with condition like this, even though it is only 1 point different from Galatasaray, but to catch up with these points is quite difficult for Manchester United and unfortunately in the next match Man Utd will face Copenhagen and Galatasaray in away matches, of course we know that Manchester United away match is quite bad and at least Manchester United must be able to win that match if they want to qualify for the group stage.
If you face Bayern Munich, you can be sure that Man Utd will probably lose even though they are playing at home.
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if Man United is able to get another win, they can beat Copenhagen, of course they still have hope because Galatasaray will definitely lose points against Bayern Munich at home, it will be very difficult because Bayern Munich is too strong an opponent for Galatasaray, so Man United still has a chance to continue in the next round, but this time this match is at home to Copenhagen. are we sure Man United can win? or does it just end in a draw?
TBH, I doubt Man United can win and from my predictions after winning at home with 1 score the next match will end in a draw or Copenhagen wins and if that really happens Man United loses this team will be at the bottom of group A which will be very embarrassing.

my advice would be to be more careful betting on the Copenhagen vs Man United match.
If your speculation is true actually Manchester United still have chance lead to next round but don't forget with Manchester United matches left they have one home and two away matches. After facing Copenhagen, Manchester United will face Galatasaray and if possibility next match United get three points and have 6 points still not secure yet if Galatasaray winning match over Manchester United because last match have strong opponent for United have to face Bayern Munich.

I think Manchester United is not dependent on other teams' results and is focused on achieving the remaining three winning matches left if want existing in Champion League and qualify to next round. What ever other teams result its not important if Manchester United can take maximum 9 pints current three matches left and will get 12 points for qualifying to next round.

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if Man United is able to get another win, they can beat Copenhagen, of course they still have hope because Galatasaray will definitely lose points against Bayern Munich at home, it will be very difficult because Bayern Munich is too strong an opponent for Galatasaray, so Man United still has a chance to continue in the next round, but this time this match is at home to Copenhagen. are we sure Man United can win? or does it just end in a draw?
TBH, I doubt Man United can win and from my predictions after winning at home with 1 score the next match will end in a draw or Copenhagen wins and if that really happens Man United loses this team will be at the bottom of group A which will be very embarrassing.

my advice would be to be more careful betting on the Copenhagen vs Man United match.
If your speculation is true actually Manchester United still have chance lead to next round but don't forget with Manchester United matches left they have one home and two away matches. After facing Copenhagen, Manchester United will face Galatasaray and if possibility next match United get three points and have 6 points still not secure yet if Galatasaray winning match over Manchester United because last match have strong opponent for United have to face Bayern Munich.

I think Manchester United is not dependent on other teams' results and is focused on achieving the remaining three winning matches left if want existing in Champion League and qualify to next round. What ever other teams result its not important if Manchester United can take maximum 9 pints current three matches left and will get 12 points for qualifying to next round.

I don't expect too much from Manchester United but it will be wonderful to see Manchester United collecting three points from Galatasaray and Copenhagen in the next two games to be played.
Copenhagen are on hell of a side and they are not to be taken lightly with.

Depending on other clubs to win and lose will only get you disappointed, when such challenges come your way even in real life, you take responsibility and face them. The season has really been upsidedown for Manchester United.

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November 05, 2023, 07:52:55 AM
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if Man United is able to get another win, they can beat Copenhagen, of course they still have hope because Galatasaray will definitely lose points against Bayern Munich at home, it will be very difficult because Bayern Munich is too strong an opponent for Galatasaray, so Man United still has a chance to continue in the next round, but this time this match is at home to Copenhagen. are we sure Man United can win? or does it just end in a draw?
TBH, I doubt Man United can win and from my predictions after winning at home with 1 score the next match will end in a draw or Copenhagen wins and if that really happens Man United loses this team will be at the bottom of group A which will be very embarrassing.

my advice would be to be more careful betting on the Copenhagen vs Man United match.
If your speculation is true actually Manchester United still have chance lead to next round but don't forget with Manchester United matches left they have one home and two away matches. After facing Copenhagen, Manchester United will face Galatasaray and if possibility next match United get three points and have 6 points still not secure yet if Galatasaray winning match over Manchester United because last match have strong opponent for United have to face Bayern Munich.

I think Manchester United is not dependent on other teams' results and is focused on achieving the remaining three winning matches left if want existing in Champion League and qualify to next round. What ever other teams result its not important if Manchester United can take maximum 9 pints current three matches left and will get 12 points for qualifying to next round.

Manchester United might be lucky to survive this round. If they will be able to win their next match or get a draw. Then it will be easy for them to qualify but they still depend on the win or loss of other teams in the group. My own opinion is for them to step up because it is obvious that if they are able to scale through this stage they might not be able to survive the next round.

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Manchester United might be lucky to survive this round. If they will be able to win their next match or get a draw. Then it will be easy for them to qualify but they still depend on the win or loss of other teams in the group. My own opinion is for them to step up because it is obvious that if they are able to scale through this stage they might not be able to survive the next round.

Best professional analysis ever. Manchester United will easily qualify for the next round when they tie the game against Copenhagen, are still behind Galatasaray because they lost their game at home against them, have to play another game against Galatasaray away from home and also have to play against Bayern Munich on their last match day. Sounds easy to me, shouldn't be a problem for Manchester United to qualify...

In the situation as it stands, Manchester United is in a dreadful situation. I think it is more likely that they fail than that they can succeed in this group.
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November 05, 2023, 08:15:54 AM
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After the victory in the domestic league against Fulham, Manchester United immediately rushed to develop their next strategy against Copenhagen in the Champions League next week. In fact, Manchester United's wins so far have always been dominated by narrow wins and that is actually not good and could make them fall at any time. This time it's Copenhagen's turn to host the second round against Manchester United and of course Copenhagen doesn't want the Red Devils to be free at home and will avenge their previous defeat. This will be a good sign for Manchester United if they succeed in beating Copenhagen, but if the opposite happens then Manchester United's chances will stop in the group stage.

This game won't be like a vacation for Manchester United in Denmark. Copenhagen has made Bayern Munich work so hard for their win and almost scored the second goal themselves in the last few minutes that I think this game is much harder for Manchester United than their opponent's name might suggest. WIth a win Copenhagen could take the second position in group A as I think Bayern Munich will not lose the game against Galatasaray at home. I saw how Galatasaray did against them in Istanbul, but this is a different game in front of the Bayern Munich fans.
That's right, I still remember very well how Bayern Munich was made difficult by Copenhagen at home and made Thomas Tuchel's troops have to work harder to win the match. If we compare the performance of Bayern Munich and Manchester United, of course The Bavaria is above them and that alone is not enough to win easily against Copenhagen. This will be a troublesome away match for Manchester United and it depends on how they can improvise ahead of this match. I think if Manchester United still uses the same strategy or even the same rhythm, it's the same as them looking for defeat at Copenhagen. Galatassaray will not be able to do much in front of the Bayern Munich fans and they will not be able to beat Bayern Munich and that is a fact that other teams always face.
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November 05, 2023, 08:29:49 AM
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Talking about favorite teams for winning Champion League actually Manchester City is the first number and allow by Real Madrid then Bayern Munich, for Barcelona I don't really optimistic for winning Champion League tittle.
If we are just speculating, the strongest candidate for us should be a club that has very reliable star players and is proud of everyone, such as Manchester City has Haaland, then Real Madrid has Bellingham and Bayern Munich has Harry Kane.
Even though Barcelona also has superior players like Lewandowski, for me it is not enough to just rely on 1 player like other big clubs which have full support from other reliable players so I have the same speculation as you that it seems like Barca will find it a little difficult to win the Champions League title this season this is because after losing Messi Barca will not be as strong as before.
There are some favorite teams for the Champions League this season and favorite teams have some favorite players. The teams who are favorites of the Champions League this season must try to strengthen their squads every season. Real Madrid have spent a good amount of money this season and by spending a good amount of money they got one of the best players in their club. Bayern Munich have spent big in the transfer window this season and spending big is why Bayern Munich got Harry Kane to their club. Manchester City already has some of the best stars in the world who play a vital role in keeping the team's performance consistent. Barcelona have spent a lot of money this season and they have bought a lot of young players as well as the experienced players they already have at the club. That is, every team is in the best position with the best players in their club.

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November 05, 2023, 08:37:53 AM
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Manchester United might be lucky to survive this round. If they will be able to win their next match or get a draw. Then it will be easy for them to qualify but they still depend on the win or loss of other teams in the group. My own opinion is for them to step up because it is obvious that if they are able to scale through this stage they might not be able to survive the next round.

Best professional analysis ever. Manchester United will easily qualify for the next round when they tie the game against Copenhagen, are still behind Galatasaray because they lost their game at home against them, have to play another game against Galatasaray away from home and also have to play against Bayern Munich on their last match day. Sounds easy to me, shouldn't be a problem for Manchester United to qualify...

In the situation as it stands, Manchester United is in a dreadful situation. I think it is more likely that they fail than that they can succeed in this group.
For now anything is still possible, including Copenhagen who could make a comeback in the remaining three matches and provide resistance against Man United and Galatasaray, while Bayern Munchen remains untouchable at the top of group A. We have of course seen and understood carefully what the scenario is for the three the team grab a slot a runner-up slot in group A, and accompanied Munchen to the round of 16. I think sometimes the performance of teams in their respective domestic leagues is very different from what is shown in the Champions League, that we cannot fully use it as a reference.

A more complicated competition occurs in group F, which we understand as the most difficult group, there is no team that is really at the top in that group, and each team still has a very good chance of qualifying. Likewise with group E, the group situation is almost the same as group F, I think the fourth matchday will form a standings with a point gap, so that we can see more clearly the chances of the teams qualifying from the group phase.

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November 05, 2023, 09:21:36 AM
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In the situation as it stands, Manchester United is in a dreadful situation. I think it is more likely that they fail than that they can succeed in this group.
Manchester United is not really ready to be in the UCL this season, they have a lot to improve because it seems difficult to qualify from this group even though there is hope of qualifying, but it doesn't seem too big, just a small chance which is very unlikely, I think Manchester United should focus to the domestic league because for me they need to improve the shortcomings in their squad team which sometimes plays not so well.

The several defeats they received certainly made their fans' self-confidence also decrease and they did not have high hopes that Manchester United could qualify for the group phase because they would definitely be beaten again by Galatasaray and Munich in the second meeting, Ten Hag also seemed unable to produce results. good results from several Manchester United matches both in the domestic league and other leagues. His team play like they don't have the same enthusiasm as in previous seasons, I'm also sure they will fail in this group.

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November 05, 2023, 09:51:28 AM
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I think progressing to the next round of the UEFA Champions competition will be very difficult for Manchester United and that's because of the number of points they were able to get after three group stage matches. United has only secured three points from a possible 9 points and even of they beat Copenhagen again in the midweek, I think it'll be Bayern Munich and Galatasaray who will qualify from the group. Galatasaray's last two games will be against Manchester United in their home ground before traveling to Copenhagen for final game if the group stage.

Manchester United has 3 points right now and their next match is with Copenhagen. I am also wishing Manchester united to win the next match so they go above Galatasaray and that will be another great day for the club. It will be a show of life for the Manchester United to quickly go back to form even as second in the table standing so they can move to the next level of round of 16 with other big teams.

The won against bournemouth can become a motivation for manchester united to win against copenhagen but it must be noted that if manchester united was winning against bournemouth with dramatic goal and i think that's impossible to repeat the same thing.
It was also proving if the performance from manchester united is still far from being called as good performance. I was always seeing how ten hag was disappointing with the performance from his club during the game when camera was shooting him.
This is also a home work for manchester united. Bournemouth may be even stronger than copenhagen but MU needs also to see copenhagen as a worthy opponent as well.
People might be favoring manchester united instead of copenhagen but this is also a huge challenge for united. Losing against copenhagen will be a disaster for manchester united.
Bayern may probably win the game against galatasaray. The match against copenhagen is very crucial to determine the fate of MU in UCL.

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November 05, 2023, 10:30:37 AM
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Lewandowski is no longer the same as he was when he played in Bayern, age is taking its toll and just look at his numbers last year in La Liga - an astonishing result. A year has passed and I doubt that he has become stronger and not aged. Real doesn't have a top striker, so I personally now rate both City and Bayern higher than Real. But in general, surprises always happen in knockout games, so it’s far from certain that we will see these clubs play against each other again (I hope City will be knocked out earlier  Grin ).

I don't agree at all. You say Lewandowski had a good performance just when he was playing in Bayern Munich and after leaving Bayern Munich is not in the good form anymore in Barcelona which is completely wrong. Because I think Lewandowski had a good performance in Barcelona during last season and he was even the most effective player for Xavi and his team but we should not forget that Lewandowski is getting old and that's normal for any player to have a bad performance when he gets older.

 Grin The end of your message contradicts its beginning. The 23 goals he scored in La Liga last season is a ridiculous number. And he became the leader in the number of missed chances. This season he scored 5 goals in 12 games. It's a total sadness. I’m not saying that he’s completely bad, but he’s no longer the top and probably not the one who makes the difference, we’ll see at the end of the season, but apparently this season will be even worse for him than the previous one.

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November 05, 2023, 10:52:39 AM
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Manchester United might be lucky to survive this round. If they will be able to win their next match or get a draw. Then it will be easy for them to qualify but they still depend on the win or loss of other teams in the group. My own opinion is for them to step up because it is obvious that if they are able to scale through this stage they might not be able to survive the next round.

Even if they can get through the group phase, Manchester United will also be under even more pressure in the next round. However, it is also very important for Manchester United to qualify for the next round even though there is no guarantee that they will stay there for long, and what Manchester United must do for the three remaining matches in this group phase is to win all of those matches.

If Manchester United is unable to win all the remaining matches, at least Manchester United should not lose one of the remaining matches in the group phase. Because Galatasaray will also try to win all the remaining matches or try to get a draw so that there is a possibility for Galatasaray to qualify for the next round.
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November 05, 2023, 12:27:52 PM
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Without realizing it, our conversation about group A is a very intense one, and for now it trumps our conversation about group F, which is considered a group of hell in the Champions League this season. I think it's because Manchester United are in this group which has an erratic performance from every match they play.
Apart from that, they are also a big club that has experienced great success in the Champions League, especially when they were still managed by Sir Alex Ferguson. It seems that we also miss their promising play.

Even though Group F is the hell group, but at the same time their performance in the local league is also not completely consistent. Perhaps, this factor also made them inconsistent in this group phase. Apart from that, the teams in group F do not have a good history in the Champions League, except for Milan. Because yes, only Milan in this group which has a good history in the Champions League but at this moment too, at least Milan doesn't have a definite guarantee of being able to dominate group F . Therefore, maybe because of this factor it is also what makes this hellish group a little forgotten, although I think it remains become an interesting group because their matches are difficult to predict.
Yes, you are right, although Group F is said to be a hellish group, the clubs in it do not have a good history. Newcastle is a new club in the Champions League, Borussia Dortmund can't compete much and we know Paris Saint Germain's progress in the Champions League, they have tried and failed many times.  And even more so they are considered a very difficult club to compete in the Champions League. AC Milan does have a good history, but they also just showed a recent revival, before they also showed a lot of decline.

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