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November 10, 2023, 09:41:28 AM |
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You can already forget about Manchester United. They simply have neither the chance nor the desire to play. I'm not even talking about becoming winners. they simply gave up. The whole club is to blame. Hug is guilty of his negligence and the players are guilty of not wanting to be a team. With such success as Manchester United, this is a collapse.
Yes, Ten Hag is not only guilty of Manchester United's failure but also their players don't really have the abilities that Ten Hag wants to use the strategies and tactics that Ten Hag has given. It seems that Manchester United is not yet fully ready to play in the UCL so they still seem to be need time to learn again so that in the next season when they play in the UCL, they can perform better than this season. There is no hope of being successful in the UCL, Manchester United should be able to focus more now on the EPL because of course they can start by slowly improving what is lacking in order to complete the style of play that Ten Hag wants, even so Ten Hag is also responsible for Manchester's failure United and he has to fix it or he chooses to resign or be fired.
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November 10, 2023, 10:07:59 AM |
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Yes, Ten Hag is not only guilty of Manchester United's failure but also their players don't really have the abilities that Ten Hag wants to use the strategies and tactics that Ten Hag has given. It seems that Manchester United is not yet fully ready to play in the UCL so they still seem to be need time to learn again so that in the next season when they play in the UCL, they can perform better than this season. There is no hope of being successful in the UCL, Manchester United should be able to focus more now on the EPL because of course they can start by slowly improving what is lacking in order to complete the style of play that Ten Hag wants, even so Ten Hag is also responsible for Manchester's failure United and he has to fix it or he chooses to resign or be fired. Everyone involved in the club is not working optimally, I still remember Pep comments after the Manchester derby in Week 10 yesterday, if United wants to be better then they have to have the same vision. Club officials-managers-staff-players must work together and align perceptions, so that achieving goals will be easier, currently the people involved in United don't seem to trust each other. Even though some fans are still optimistic about Ten Hag performance, this does not rule out the fact that some of them are clearly disappointed. Moreover, if their favorite club fails to qualify for the round of 16, it is truly an unimaginable situation.
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November 10, 2023, 10:15:06 AM |
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Why haven't M.United fired Erik ten Hag yet? Is there no other manager? I don't understand the purpose of the M.United management.
I definitely don't think they can win against Bayern and Galatasaray.
I'm also really surprised at the patience of the Mu leadership. Ten Hag has clearly shown his coaching weaknesses, and not only that, he seems quite stubborn and reluctant to admit his mistakes, often putting the blame on the players. It would be a waste of money and time if they continue to let Ten Hag lead. A quick overhaul is needed. Manchester United has a mountain to climb because their last two matches in the Uefa Champions League are not an easy one for them to play. For me, I do not see Manchester United going to Turkey to beat Galatasaray at home because Manchester United could not beat them at Old Trafford, and Galatasaray will have no fear when playing Manchester United at home because they once beat Man U at home.
There's still a chance Galatasaray might stumble against Mu, but considering Mu's current form and situation, I think the likelihood of that happening is quite low. The battle for the second spot in this group is intense between Galatasaray and Copenhagen, so this presents a good opportunity for Galatasaray to secure the second position, especially with Copenhagen facing Munich.
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November 10, 2023, 10:37:02 AM |
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You can already forget about Manchester United. They simply have neither the chance nor the desire to play. I'm not even talking about becoming winners. they simply gave up. The whole club is to blame. Hug is guilty of his negligence and the players are guilty of not wanting to be a team. With such success as Manchester United, this is a collapse.
Yes, Ten Hag is not only guilty of Manchester United's failure but also their players don't really have the abilities that Ten Hag wants to use the strategies and tactics that Ten Hag has given. It seems that Manchester United is not yet fully ready to play in the UCL so they still seem to be need time to learn again so that in the next season when they play in the UCL, they can perform better than this season. There is no hope of being successful in the UCL, Manchester United should be able to focus more now on the EPL because of course they can start by slowly improving what is lacking in order to complete the style of play that Ten Hag wants, even so Ten Hag is also responsible for Manchester's failure United and he has to fix it or he chooses to resign or be fired. Firing or resigning will not solve Manchester United's problems. They need colossal changes, both inside and outside the club. I mean they need to be more united in their approach to the game. Well, of course, we need to somehow loosen up the players themselves. So to speak, give them a new rhythm of the game. And for this you need to make a couple of luxurious transfers.
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November 10, 2023, 11:13:45 AM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2023%2F11%2F10%2FtKbrJ.jpeg&t=665&c=v4dteGeKYrwX5g) These are the six teams that have been confirmed to qualify for the round of 16 and their journey will definitely be easier in the remaining group stage matches. Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Inter, Leipzig and Manchester City are regular teams in the top 16 and perhaps seeing Real Sociedad's struggle so far in qualifying with this strong team is certainly a good record for them after being absent from this competition for so long. Real Sociedad managed to eliminate Salzburg and Benfica from Group D competition and they succeeded in placing themselves at the top with the same points as Inter. Real Sociedad's performance in the domestic league and champions league is equally good and they deserve this result. These are teams who have qualified,topping their groups,I am kind of surprised at Liepzig because I didn't expect them to qualify that easy.By next game,we will see the team that will follow them,and I think one of those teams are Dortmund and Arsenal who are currently leading their group with 9 points.I really don't know the team that will win this Champions league trophy because most teams are really inform and are aiming for that tittle as well,teams like City,Bayern,Dortmund,Inter and even Arsenal,they are strong contenders for the champions league tittle.I really don't see City being able to defend this tittle because there are teams who seems stronger than City now. I think the most surprising team on this list is Real Sociedad after all. Leipzig came out of the group last year and immediately fell to Manchester City, where they finished right behind them. But Real Sociedad is not a frequent guest not only in the 1/8 finals, but also in the group stage of the Champions League. The last match with Benfica Real Sociedad played perfect. Almost everything was decided in the first half, scoring 3 goals and could score more, but did not realize the penalty. Real Sociedad will be interesting to watch in the 1/8 finals.
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November 10, 2023, 11:25:55 AM |
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Why haven't M.United fired Erik ten Hag yet? Is there no other manager? I don't understand the purpose of the M.United management.
I definitely don't think they can win against Bayern and Galatasaray.
Let alone talking about Erik Ten Hag's dismissal, I haven't heard any rumors until now. Their 3rd Champions League defeat should have made the management open their voices about Erik Ten Hag's future at the club, but as we can see they have been silent until now. I don't know what relationship they have with Erik Ten Hag and it's possible they have more than what's written in the cons. Or it could be that they are moving in silence, by which I mean they are starting to approach other coaches but in a quiet way. Manchester United cannot be expected at all, they continuously receive unsatisfactory results, both in the Premier League and in the Champions League. They even have to lose to teams that are considered the weakest in the group they are in. Erik Ten Hag did lead them to the Champions League last season, but it is certainly not enough, as they still have to show something promising this season. While this season they appear far from what is expected. Now there will be more pressure from their fans to immediately end cooperation with their current coach, considering what he showed did not provide a hope.
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November 10, 2023, 12:27:37 PM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2023%2F11%2F10%2FtKbrJ.jpeg&t=665&c=v4dteGeKYrwX5g) These are the six teams that have been confirmed to qualify for the round of 16 and their journey will definitely be easier in the remaining group stage matches. Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Inter, Leipzig and Manchester City are regular teams in the top 16 and perhaps seeing Real Sociedad's struggle so far in qualifying with this strong team is certainly a good record for them after being absent from this competition for so long. Real Sociedad managed to eliminate Salzburg and Benfica from Group D competition and they succeeded in placing themselves at the top with the same points as Inter. Real Sociedad's performance in the domestic league and champions league is equally good and they deserve this result. Real Madrid and Manchester City are my favorite team, I've full confidence in these teams mentioned, they have a brilliant squad and competent coach to lead them to path od glory. These are not only the teams, there are more teams that are fighting really hard to qualify. They're up and ready to kickoff in UCL round of 16. They sacrifice enough work to make this work, consistency in outstanding performance and they're heading into a qualified phase. These teams are competitive and strong on the standings in UEFA Champions League. Real Madrid and Man City are indeed the teams whose strength is most taken into account. Especially Man City. But for this season I have different hopes. Even though I'm not a Bayern fan. But I want Bayern to win the title this season. I want to see Harry Kane finally lift the trophy in Europe's highest competition with Bayern. He is a talented player and has many achievements but he has been at Tottenham for too long. And I think it's time for this player to achieve the highest achievements in his life with the current club. But even though I have such hopes, I am quite pessimistic. Because it is very likely that Man City will remain the favorite. In fact, currently Inter Milan are also in their best condition in Serie A. In fact, they are much stronger than last season. Real Madrid has also experienced improvement this season. So everything will become more difficult. But I'm quite surprised that Benfica can't shine like last season.
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November 10, 2023, 12:35:25 PM |
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Maybe Bayern Munich have won all of their games in Group A until now. But in fact their performance has been quite inconsistent so far. For example Galatasaray could have got points in both of the games they played against them. Because they were really good at putting pressure on Bayern Munich players in both games.
However they were really bad at finishing the goal chances decently which led them to lose both of them. Thomas Muller also made a similar statement on this topic after the latest game between them.
Bayern Munich need to improve their game more if they want to be competitive for the Champions League title.
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November 10, 2023, 12:54:45 PM |
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Maybe Bayern Munich have won all of their games in Group A until now. But in fact their performance has been quite inconsistent so far. For example Galatasaray could have got points in both of the games they played against them. Because they were really good at putting pressure on Bayern Munich players in both games.
However they were really bad at finishing the goal chances decently which led them to lose both of them. Thomas Muller also made a similar statement on this topic after the latest game between them.
Bayern Munich need to improve their game more if they want to be competitive for the Champions League title.
To be more exact here, Bayern Munich could have lost points in three games actually. The game against Manchester United ended 4-3 and Manchester United was pretty good on that day. Then the game against Copenhagen could have ended in a draw with big chances for Copenhagen in the last minutes and then the game away against Galatasaray, which Bayern Munich won luckily. There is no other explanation but Bayern being lucky because Galatasaray wasn't able to score those goals in the first half and in the beginning of the second half. It looks bette then it is for Bayern Munich.
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November 10, 2023, 12:58:03 PM |
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You can already forget about Manchester United. They simply have neither the chance nor the desire to play. I'm not even talking about becoming winners. they simply gave up. The whole club is to blame. Hug is guilty of his negligence and the players are guilty of not wanting to be a team. With such success as Manchester United, this is a collapse.
I also agree that all elements at Manchester United are to blame, because they were unable to make a comeback this season in a better way. But I also see that all the players who are as strong as Manchester United are still willing to try to be better even though they have still failed in most of the matches they have played this season. And currently there is very little chance of Manchester United qualifying for the next round because the obstacle is a stronger team like Bayern Munich apart from Galatasaray.
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November 10, 2023, 01:05:47 PM |
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Why haven't M.United fired Erik ten Hag yet? Is there no other manager? I don't understand the purpose of the M.United management.
I definitely don't think they can win against Bayern and Galatasaray.
Let alone talking about Erik Ten Hag's dismissal, I haven't heard any rumors until now. Their 3rd Champions League defeat should have made the management open their voices about Erik Ten Hag's future at the club, but as we can see they have been silent until now. I don't know what relationship they have with Erik Ten Hag and it's possible they have more than what's written in the cons. Or it could be that they are moving in silence, by which I mean they are starting to approach other coaches but in a quiet way. This is very likely to happen, considering that management does not want to get pressure from fans if their plans are known in advance. On the other hand, maybe Ten Hag has a special agreement with United regarding his dismissal, this can only be done when Ten Hag loses by a predetermined amount. Everything makes sense, including if the Red Devils management fires Ten Hag in the middle of the season, then they will have to pay a certain amount of compensation. So maybe these considerations made the management and club officials reluctant to end the employment contract with Ten Hag. What is most unfortunate is when Ten Hag does not change his approach with players, which makes the club only pay their salaries without being able to get a contribution like in the case of Sancho. For me, that is detrimental to the club, because after all, an attitude like that has absolutely no benefits for the team. Sir Alex Ferguson would also frown upon players who fail to meet up with his standards. Erik Ten Hag is stubborn and so is Jadon Sancho who has refused to apologize to the coach of Manchester United. Since he is in charge, he had to show he's Boss and in charge. The players have to adapt, during the last days of Wayne Rooney, he complained about how Manchester United players do not take the game seriously after a defeat. They go back partying and dancing which ain't right. Erik Ten Hag would stay as the coach of Manchester United, he won't be dismissed. Even if Erik Ten Hag fails and lose too much game, the results from last season are enough to be his spine and backing.
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Yes, Ten Hag is not only guilty of Manchester United's failure but also their players don't really have the abilities that Ten Hag wants to use the strategies and tactics that Ten Hag has given. It seems that Manchester United is not yet fully ready to play in the UCL so they still seem to be need time to learn again so that in the next season when they play in the UCL, they can perform better than this season.
There is no hope of being successful in the UCL, Manchester United should be able to focus more now on the EPL because of course they can start by slowly improving what is lacking in order to complete the style of play that Ten Hag wants, even so Ten Hag is also responsible for Manchester's failure United and he has to fix it or he chooses to resign or be fired.
Next season United will play in the Europa League at best. If you seriously think that United will make it into the top 4, then you can bet on it with very good odds. As for the game that Ten Hag is trying to build, it seems that no one understands what he wants - not the fans, not the players, not himself.
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Yes, Ten Hag is not only guilty of Manchester United's failure but also their players don't really have the abilities that Ten Hag wants to use the strategies and tactics that Ten Hag has given. It seems that Manchester United is not yet fully ready to play in the UCL so they still seem to be need time to learn again so that in the next season when they play in the UCL, they can perform better than this season.
There is no hope of being successful in the UCL, Manchester United should be able to focus more now on the EPL because of course they can start by slowly improving what is lacking in order to complete the style of play that Ten Hag wants, even so Ten Hag is also responsible for Manchester's failure United and he has to fix it or he chooses to resign or be fired. There is no difference between the players he currently has and the players he had last season, in fact this season he managed to bring in several new players whose quality is much better. However, in reality Erik Ten Hak failed to bring Man United to play better than last season and he also prioritized several mainstay players even though their playing performance was not good. Even though there are a number of other players who are also in good condition, but did not start in important matches. The defeat that occurred in the last match against Copenhagen should not have happened, if Marcus Rashford had not been careless in stopping the opposing player which resulted in the referee sending off a red card. Now Man United's chances of qualifying for the next round are very difficult because they will have two very tough tough against Bayern Munich and Galatasaray matches.
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November 10, 2023, 01:19:14 PM Last edit: November 13, 2023, 03:28:20 PM by tusandii |
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You can already forget about Manchester United. They simply have neither the chance nor the desire to play. I'm not even talking about becoming winners. they simply gave up. The whole club is to blame. Hug is guilty of his negligence and the players are guilty of not wanting to be a team. With such success as Manchester United, this is a collapse.
I also agree that all elements at Manchester United are to blame, because they were unable to make a comeback this season in a better way. But I also see that all the players who are as strong as Manchester United are still willing to try to be better even though they have still failed in most of the matches they have played this season. And currently there is very little chance of Manchester United qualifying for the next round because the obstacle is a stronger team like Bayern Munich apart from Galatasaray. Yes, it would be fairer not to blame one party, but the overall role of Manchester United, such as coaches, players, management etc, because currently there are many bad things that must be corrected, especially players who must be replaced with new players who have stronger talents and I assess that the current defense line is really very weak and there still a lot that needs to be improved. Manchester United will be better Erik Ten can really provide the right strategy with the right players and this season it looks like they will have to work a little harder.
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November 10, 2023, 01:20:32 PM |
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Maybe Bayern Munich have won all of their games in Group A until now. But in fact their performance has been quite inconsistent so far. For example Galatasaray could have got points in both of the games they played against them. Because they were really good at putting pressure on Bayern Munich players in both games.
However they were really bad at finishing the goal chances decently which led them to lose both of them. Thomas Muller also made a similar statement on this topic after the latest game between them.
Bayern Munich need to improve their game more if they want to be competitive for the Champions League title.
Though Bayern Munich's last two wins against Galatasaray in the UEFA Champions League competition hasn't wasn't too convincing, but we mustn't shy away from the fact that Bayern Munich were the better side in those the fixtures. As a top club, they're smaller clubs that are very difficult to beat whenever you face them but the ability to be able to steal a win from them no matter how poor your performance is what really makes you big club. We've seen the general performance of Bayern Munich this season and can confess to the fact that they've been absolutely impressive and would definitely have a good season if they continue to with their current performance
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November 10, 2023, 01:24:46 PM |
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At least I can still hope that 2 Premier League teams can qualify for the round of 16 instead of just Manchester City. Arsenal and Manchester City are the two best teams from the Premier League who have the opportunity to progress higher in the Champions League this season. Arsenal are not guaranteed to qualify, but they have a big chance of doing so even though the gap between PSV and Lens is only 4 points. It is hard to believe that Arsenal lose the next two matches while Lens and PSG win the next two matches, but one of Lens and PSV will qualify for round of 16.
Barcelona, who represents La Liga, also has a big chance of qualifying if they can win one match from the next two matches. The defeat against Shakhtar was a bit worrying because Barcelona's performance did not match predictions, but they have a better chance than Shakhtar to qualify for the last 16 this season. Apart from Real Madrid and Real Sociedad, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid also have the opportunity to qualify for the round of 16. They'll just have to fight harder to win their next two games, but that's convincing.
The round of 16 phase of the UEFA Champions League will host top teams in both the EPL and the Spanish La Liga, yes one would be so certain beyond all doubt that no matter what, Manchester City has an upper hand when faced with whatsoever club, but also know that the pace and ability of Arsenal right now gives them a shot at the next phase of the contest. Their games against Lens and PSV won't be so much of an issue to say that both teams would win them, it just won't happen, for my predictions, arsenal to win all of win one and draw the other; one of both predictions would play, Arsenal is no lazy team and their hungry for a trophy too so they'd do all it takes to secure their spot. Thesame applies to Barcelona, Real and Atletico Madrid; these three are fully confident of their space even beyond the round of 16. We should await their final set of group games, looking forward to seeing the toughest of teams go against each other soon.
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November 10, 2023, 01:49:48 PM |
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Group F which is called group of death is getting even more interesting day by day. After Milan defeated PSG in San Siro things got even more complicated in the group. There is only one point between each team right now. I actually had the possibility of Milan's doing this to PSG in my mind. Because we have all seen how bad PSG have been in away matches. They lost even with a bigger score against Newcastle. I mean that Milan didn't even have a goal scored until this match. PSG kind of helped them do even more than that. The remaining 2 weeks are going to be quite interesting in this group. I think PSG would beat Newcastle home but I'm not so sure about the away match against Dortmund. ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) In the fifth matchday match, I'm pretty sure Dortmund will be able to overcome Milan even though the match will be held at the San Siro. I wonder, what if Dortmund was able to win the match, what would happen to Milan. Well, I think there is a big burden on Pioli's shoulders to overcome Borussia Dortmund later. Moreover, this match will be watched by Rossoneri fans at their headquarters. Meanwhile, Terzic will prepare strategies and ways to understand AC Milan's style of play. This match will be an exciting and interesting fight. Dortmund will be more careful, but every attack they build has a more effective level of danger than Milan. well, this is just my personal opinion and assumption. As for PSG, it seems we agree that they have a higher probability of overthrowing Newcastle in the next meeting. and if so, that means Eddie Howe's squad has no chance of qualifying even if they win the match against Milan later. let's just calculate the difference in points between these four teams, and the fifth matchday will be the deciding factor. which means, if PSG wins against Newcastle and Dortmund beats Milan. These two teams have the right to advance to the next phase. btw, correct me if I analyzed it wrong.
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November 10, 2023, 02:24:56 PM |
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Manchester United has a mountain to climb because their last two matches in the Uefa Champions League are not an easy one for them to play. For me, I do not see Manchester United going to Turkey to beat Galatasaray at home because Manchester United could not beat them at Old Trafford, and Galatasaray will have no fear when playing Manchester United at home because they once beat Man U at home. One thing about the UEFA Champions League is that if you don't beat your opponent in your stadium it will be very hard for you to beat them at their home unless you guys are good like Manchester City and Manchester United is nothing to write home about this season.
Of course Galatasaray will play all out against Manchester United, to secure points in the runner-up for match 5, this match will determine the fate of Galatasaray as they will take steps to secure their position in the standings. I am sure that with every player's potential, Galatasaray will win the match with a score of 2-0 for Galatasaray, because Copenhagen will have difficulty getting points against Bayern Munich at their home ground. I hope Bayern Munich will win absolutely in the match later.
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November 10, 2023, 02:26:03 PM |
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Group F which is called group of death is getting even more interesting day by day. After Milan defeated PSG in San Siro things got even more complicated in the group. There is only one point between each team right now. I actually had the possibility of Milan's doing this to PSG in my mind. Because we have all seen how bad PSG have been in away matches. They lost even with a bigger score against Newcastle. I mean that Milan didn't even have a goal scored until this match. PSG kind of helped them do even more than that. The remaining 2 weeks are going to be quite interesting in this group. I think PSG would beat Newcastle home but I'm not so sure about the away match against Dortmund. ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Every team will put in every energy they got inother to fight for more significant positions. More two games to be played before we can actually dropped comments about the teams that will qualify and the ones that will dropped, then finally the ones that will be moved to Europa league. In Group F, every teams have the chances to dropped and qualify from the group, it's 50/50 probabilities. But we should keep close watch on Borrusia Dortmund and Paris Saint-Germain because they've proven to be the competitive clubs that will score higher points against their oppositions in UCL.
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November 10, 2023, 02:45:50 PM |
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Group F which is called group of death is getting even more interesting day by day. After Milan defeated PSG in San Siro things got even more complicated in the group. There is only one point between each team right now. I actually had the possibility of Milan's doing this to PSG in my mind. Because we have all seen how bad PSG have been in away matches. They lost even with a bigger score against Newcastle. I mean that Milan didn't even have a goal scored until this match. PSG kind of helped them do even more than that. The remaining 2 weeks are going to be quite interesting in this group. I think PSG would beat Newcastle home but I'm not so sure about the away match against Dortmund. ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) I'll start by saying that for me it is incorrectly called the "Group of Hell". In my opinion, last year's group between Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Inter and Victoria Pilzen remains the most difficult group of the last 10 years. However, given the results of group F, it remains one of the most fascinating of this edition, and now all four teams have the possibility of accessing the round of 32, Milan with the victory against PSG has obtained a good push to make better and will have to fight tooth and nail against Borussia Dortmund and Newcastle, on the 28th there will be a match against Dortmund and it could most likely be decisive for Milan
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