Punt.com

[Slow death]

It's really very stressful to play gambling that depend on luck but there's nothing you can do to change that result, in a few days it's possible that people get luckier and manage to hit a big multiplier, but even when the person when this person hits a large multiplier, when looking at the statistic, you will see that he had many losses and few victories, but as this person was lucky enough to hit a large multiplier, then this person is in profit, for example if in your case with these statistics you had hit a big multiplier

you wouldn't be irritated with these statistics, you would be celebrating at that moment, so if you keep playing solts that are things that depend on luck, you shouldn't be complaining with these numbers and you shouldn't look at the game as a source of income or profit, because you can already see that the chances of hitting a big multiplier are very small, out of 370 games you only had 38 hits, so it's a very small number of hits and a big sign for you not to see the game as something profitable because it's not profitable, if you had continued to play you would not have changed this losing trend

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[virasog]

now im asking myself: how do the call this "provably fair?"

Don't know if Punt.com provide provably fair proof of every game you gamble, but some good sites will give you this proof and you can verify whether the bet was provably fair or not.

Also, you mentioned that you played over 300 games and lost most of them. Does at any time you decided to play at another casino to see the results? Better play at some other casino and see if your losing streak is similar as in punt site.

Finally, keep in mind, that gambling is for fun purposes, and you have to pay the money to have fun. Winning is gambling is your luck, don't think that you will always win in gambling.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

It is commonly said that the story of a hunter and a lion being written by the hunter himself, will always glorify the hunter, same also with gambling casinos, I've said it here on the board multiple times that slot games are really the means through which casinos generate cool money, sports betting dont give them as much money because there are people who are crazily good at sports betting and will win most of the times, there has to be money always available to pay such people, and slot games are really a way to generate such money..

Provably fair to me is just word of the mouth or a written word, because there is no way to truly verify that a game is indeed fair, even when there is a verification method made available by the casino, what is the assurance that even the verification method is not manipulated?

[DoublerHunter]

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Provably fair to me is just word of the mouth or a written word, because there is no way to truly verify that a game is indeed fair, even when there is a verification method made available by the casino, what is the assurance that even the verification method is not manipulated?

^I thought provably fair is transparent and can be individually verified.
I saw a thread here before but I did not find it now explained provably fair how to verify and I think, that is the way how to prove that the gambling casino that uses provably fair is not manipulated. Because for me, provably fair refers to a system or algorithm that provides verifiable evidence and transparency, ensuring that the outcome of a process, such as a game or random event, is unbiased and not manipulated.
However, the most common problem is the gambler who did not know how to verify the provably fair system that uses by the casino.

EDIT: Here is a thread we must know as a gambler.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5227525.0

[Fivestar4everMVP]

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Provably fair to me is just word of the mouth or a written word, because there is no way to truly verify that a game is indeed fair, even when there is a verification method made available by the casino, what is the assurance that even the verification method is not manipulated?

^I thought provably fair is transparent and can be individually verified.
I saw a thread here before but I did not find it now explained provably fair how to verify and I think, that is the way how to prove that the gambling casino that uses provably fair is not manipulated. Because for me, provably fair refers to a system or algorithm that provides verifiable evidence and transparency, ensuring that the outcome of a process, such as a game or random event, is unbiased and not manipulated.
However, the most common problem is the gambler who did not know how to verify the provably fair system that uses by the casino.

Well, yeah, I wish you found the said thread, I would have loved to read up on that and possibly learn how to verify a game Is truly fair on the player and the casino as well, but regardless, I will google this and find out later.

Now, looking at the data op shared concerning punt, I think from such data, we all can agree that their system or games rather, are not provably fair, because I find it rather hard to believe that out of 370 games played, 330 is lost and just 38 won - this is assuming the data shared it correct.
It shows clearly that something is not right with this casino, and I think it is even a mistake they made to allow users see this data, because I know for sure that me as a gambler, will never play on a casino after seeing a game data as this on the casino, something is clearly not right.

[Odusko]

This sound and look so sarcastic because I don't expect you to keep winning all the time likewise other members too because the casino must win at some point and that is what keeps them in business. Casino generate their revenue from the losses of players and that is why their probably systems are set to favor the house against the gamblers, so it is what it is you have to move on and face your losses instead of blaming it a on punt.

[darkangel11]

Do you expect to only have winning bets? It's called gambling, nit always winning. I'm sorry you lost but trying to smear the casino because you lost is a childish move.

If you can't handle losing, you probably shouldn't gamble.

I can understand him in a way. He thought after 400 bets his result will be around 200 wins and 200 losses. I fell into that thinking once when I played dice and suddenly got a streak of 12 lost rolls.
Not much you can do about it, but take the loss and learn that there's no rule saying you have to be 50/50 here.

OP, just look at top winners in any casino and you'll see that only a few players have positive ratings after a fer hundred games.
I don't know Punt.com, so I can't say much about the casino itself, but the numbers don't mean a thing. It's not a coin toss game.

[kotajikikox]

Provably fair doesn’t mean making you always a winner, you’re in a gambling and here there’s no guaranteed profit. Losing the money can’t tell the site a scam, not unless you have valid proof then we might support your claim.

Unfortunately, you are saying this because you didn’t win on that site, and that’s sad that you still think gambling as a way of making profit, which in reality its too risky.

obvious that he does not understand the reality of gambling online than in casino houses . they are looking for the truth of what we called probability of fairness but they don't look on what is happening inside .

accept that truth mate , Gambling is for the site to earn and for us gamblers to win ? then that is a so much small chances of getting there .

don't be hurt about the statistics as long as you are enjoying the game.

[btc78]

Hi, i tried this casino i found here in bitcointalk forum,

i signed up, made a deposit and tried to play to a slot....

results shown in casino statistics:

Total game played:  370
Total loss : 330
Total wins: 38

now im asking myself: how do the call this "provably fair?"
let me give you a little advice, stop playing to this S***, all online casino will
only cost you money an time, you will never win a dime in these places, and if you win,
you will lose it next time (doubled)..all games are programmatically set to steal your money...
they are not rigged by casino, there is no need to do it, they already born this way, directly
from the software company...period


Good Luck

first you have problem with betpenguin here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5401022.msg60269419#msg60269419

then in LTC casino

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453309.msg62267996#msg62267996

and now here in Punt.com.

seems like you are just online each time that you have issue .

[yahoo62278]

Hi, i tried this casino i found here in bitcointalk forum,

i signed up, made a deposit and tried to play to a slot....

results shown in casino statistics:

Total game played:  370
Total loss : 330
Total wins: 38

now im asking myself: how do the call this "provably fair?"
let me give you a little advice, stop playing to this S***, all online casino will
only cost you money an time, you will never win a dime in these places, and if you win,
you will lose it next time (doubled)..all games are programmatically set to steal your money...
they are not rigged by casino, there is no need to do it, they already born this way, directly
from the software company...period


Good Luck

first you have problem with betpenguin here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5401022.msg60269419#msg60269419

then in LTC casino

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453309.msg62267996#msg62267996

and now here in Punt.com.

seems like you are just online each time that you have issue .

That's what a bad gambler does, they lose and think they'll come here and cry to try to hurt a casinos reputation. Fortunately for the casino, noone pays attention to the trash these guys spew.

[davis196]

now im asking myself: how do the call this "provably fair?"
let me give you a little advice, stop playing to this S***, all online casino will
only cost you money an time, you will never win a dime in these places, and if you win,
you will lose it next time (doubled)..all games are programmatically set to steal your money...
they are not rigged by casino, there is no need to do it, they already born this way, directly
from the software company...period

Is this a negative review or a scam accusation? Or maybe both? Were you expecting a 50:50 win/lose ratio for the casino games to be "probably fair"? Maybe you are right. Maybe the casino games are truly rigged(by the casino or by the software company).
Maybe that's why all casinos always win. On the other hand, gambling is supposed to be played for fun, not for making money.
If you have this "I have to make money from the casino at all cost" mindset, you won't be having any fun.
The gambling industry is just a part of the entertainment industry, not some easy magical way to make money.

[Blitzboy]

It's really very stressful to play gambling that depend on luck but there's nothing you can do to change that result, in a few days it's possible that people get luckier and manage to hit a big multiplier, but even when the person when this person hits a large multiplier, when looking at the statistic, you will see that he had many losses and few victories, but as this person was lucky enough to hit a large multiplier, then this person is in profit, for example if in your case with these statistics you had hit a big multiplier

you wouldn't be irritated with these statistics, you would be celebrating at that moment, so if you keep playing solts that are things that depend on luck, you shouldn't be complaining with these numbers and you shouldn't look at the game as a source of income or profit, because you can already see that the chances of hitting a big multiplier are very small, out of 370 games you only had 38 hits, so it's a very small number of hits and a big sign for you not to see the game as something profitable because it's not profitable, if you had continued to play you would not have changed this losing trend

It appears theres a bit of a misunderstanding about the concept of "provably fair." The phrase doesn't necessarily imply you're guaranteed a win, it refers to the transparency of the gambling process. Each roll, deal, or spin you're making is demonstrably random and not manipulated by the house.

Certainly, the odds in most casino games favor the house - its called the house edge. This is how casinos make money. It's not a secret or an evil scheme; it's the business model. For players, the fun comes from the chance, however small, of beating the odds.

Please note that gambling should be viewed primarily as a form of entertainment, not a reliable source of income. Winning is a bonus, and losing is the norm. Always play responsibly, betting only what you can afford to lose. Gambling, when viewed this way, can be an enjoyable activity without leading to the frustration you've expressed.

[CryptSafe]

This sound and look so sarcastic because I don't expect you to keep winning all the time likewise other members too because the casino must win at some point and that is what keeps them in business. Casino generate their revenue from the losses of players and that is why their probably systems are set to favor the house against the gamblers, so it is what it is you have to move on and face your losses instead of blaming it a on punt.

Truly casino generates their revenue from most games that ends at loss from their clients and this they have been using to sustain their casino daily. OP should not expect a 100% win or a 50/50 win as it is near impossible to be a reality. Same way OP is wanting to do his/her critical thinking, same way the casino management is doing theirs to remain relevant and on the mainstream too. In as much as both parties  are trying to make an ends meet, each are bound to make loss as well. So therefore the game must in every atom of transparency be a provably fair game so that no one cheats each other.

[famososMuertos]

Do you have other hobbies, I ask to you.

Last week I went to the cinema, what a bad movie, at least it was a pleasant evening with my wife, we had a good time, I complained a little before because the combo that I always buy of popcorn + soda had gone up in price, but incredibly later I didn't I care helped me weigh the unpleasantness of the movie...

Everything was not bad, I spent a very pleasant night, dinner was good, it was an incredible three hours, except for the movie, oh, yeah! but it what is left for us later, the funniest thing, commenting on how bad movie it was... sometimes we comment more on the movies bad than good. In any case there will always be an opportunity for another good movie.

In betting there are usually always bad movies, I had a friend who believed that if he went to the Premium cinema the movies would always be better, in fact it doesn't happen to you that sometimes even though you know that the movies are bad you end up watching it...

With bets the moral is not very different, I'm sorry for you that you can't enjoy visiting a casino, you would have spent that "x$" that you lost in a consultation with a psychologist or maybe you should look for other ways to entertain yourself.

We can't go to the movies and start fantasizing that we'll be the next Brad Pit, well it's possible, why not? but your common sense gives you that possibility.

Anyway, I hope you get the point. May you have better profits next time, or perhaps less losses, although leaving breakeven is useful.

[Edouble]

OK,

just to clarify myself, i just wanted to say what i wrote,
that gambling (especially online) is useless, as all online casinos
will always win on the player. ALWAYS!!!

It was a suggestion to the gamblers, i dont consider myself a gambler, i
usually gamble once a month, and little amount.

As some of you pointed out "hey man, this is gambling..don't blame the casino.."

this is a stupid statement, in my opinion, if someone goes to a casino, (online or not) they go there to win, not to almost always to lose.
if it's true that casinos have an advantage over the player, its also true that one can't always lose (which is exactly my case)

I have made 5 deposits in total on punt.com, I have never gone over the amount deposited, in all the casinos I have visited over time the same thing has happened ... it is true that someone lucky wins but they are very few, the percentage of those who loses is very high and the rest goes to the casino ... for this reason I say that playing is totally a waste of time and money, you are only giving money to these people, who often take advantage of the fact that someone is a gambling addict (which fortunately is not my case)

This is my 2 cents

[www.Gambler.Casino]

The results of the game depend on the selected software and slots. Of course, the advantage is always on the side of the casino, but still, in order to increase the chances of winning, you need to be able to choose high-quality slots

[piebeyb]

The results of the game depend on the selected software and slots. Of course, the advantage is always on the side of the casino, but still, in order to increase the chances of winning, you need to be able to choose high-quality slots

That sounds funny depending on the software and slots, are you new to playing slot machines, so to say that, gambling machines do not require strategy and almost purely rely on luck, so want whatever slot machine is played if the dealer doesn't give a win it will be difficult to get money of the gaming machine no matter the software used or the high quality of the slots.

I think before gambling we should first understand the risks that even we gamble will lose money, therefore there is no need to complain about any defeat because it will be considered strange and funny, after all we have all even experienced more defeats than OP but never made a thread like this, make it experience and always play wisely so we don't get greedy so we don't lose a lot of money because we don't limit it nor control it.

[YOSHIE]

Hi, i tried this casino i found here in bitcointalk forum,

i signed up, made a deposit and tried to play to a slot....

For this reason, it is highly recommended to make a deposit and bet at a casino that you are just getting to know with minimal funds and ask friends about gambling sites that you know, then you need additional information about betting and so on at the casino, so that when you lose you don't get dizzy and fussy.

Remember, betting experience and casino reputation are very important for you to learn and know, aiming to increase your bet, it is not recommended to make large deposits for casinos that are new to you, in the future if you are interested in a new casino, try to bet as low as possible so you don't lose big, don't put greed and hallucinations to get big wins, it might end dramatically.