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August 27, 2023, 12:42:17 AM
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And if indeed our work is good, we should prefer to continue our work rather than expecting to make money from gambling and want to make it our main source of income. We will find it difficult to get the money because of the defeat factor that will come to us every time we gamble, and we can't win too often, so we will experience more losses than wins. That is why we must be able to choose which one is best for us, and because we already know that gambling cannot be used as the main source of income, we must have any job to make money. That's what we need so that if we want to play gambling and consider gambling as entertainment, we already have the money. And perhaps we can win some money that can add to the money we had before.

The work is most important one in our life apart from other things.Because after earning from the work,one can play the gambling using the money from income.If you don't have the work,then you will not have funds to survive.Then how it's possible one to play the gambling.The gambling is based on the money deposit,the free gambling game will not be more thrill one.The gambling can't be used as the source of the income because we can't get continuous winnings from the gambling.
Well , I have always considered that our work is the most important thing to Consider it as a good entry for dienor, because when we go to a place that has to do with casinos and games of chance, things are very given to the porbablibnes and very probable to that it is a little less that we win, because of the house Advantage , that we make mistakes when playing or that we simply do not have luck and that when we just started we have a very bad streak, this type of thing can happen in the game and it is normal, we should not be Thinking that a casino robs us because it is not like that, in the most reliable ones there is Proavably Fair , among other Things that are quite reliable, in the case of slots, well, having an RTP Big because it is something that we all like , the Chances of winning for us increase and who does not like to win? That is a tactic that casinos have to attract players, especially those who are big fans of Slots.

Now , no matter how good we are Playing in casinos , if we are very lucky , in one day, two days, even in a week, we cannot make things in a casino get common income, because that is an aram of double-edged, a casino cannot play like that, because it may be that you have a lot of good luck and play well and consider that things turn out well , but there will come a moment where the losing streak begins to exert a lot of Pressure, so at that moment it is When the player believes that the casino is a way to have income, he will be wrong and can lose a lot of money and be careful if he does not lose everything, then that should not be taken as such, that is why he should be careful with that.

It is very different from someone coming and Telling me that they live from trading, because trading is something else, it is not gambling, but a casino that is Considered as Income for a player is wrong because I See that as something irresponsible , a act of Iresponsibility very High.

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August 27, 2023, 04:57:55 AM
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And if indeed our work is good, we should prefer to continue our work rather than expecting to make money from gambling and want to make it our main source of income. We will find it difficult to get the money because of the defeat factor that will come to us every time we gamble, and we can't win too often, so we will experience more losses than wins. That is why we must be able to choose which one is best for us, and because we already know that gambling cannot be used as the main source of income, we must have any job to make money. That's what we need so that if we want to play gambling and consider gambling as entertainment, we already have the money. And perhaps we can win some money that can add to the money we had before.
Are you thinking about using gaming to supplement your income? Gambling is unreliable and utterly dangerous to all addiction gamblers. It is not a financial advice since it will gradually deplete out pockets. Winning and losing occurred on a regular schedule, corresponding to trading earnings and losses. We should chose what will absolutely work for us, and we are already gaining over time, but having a primary occupation that brings food on the table and covers our expenses should be made possible. Gambling is more of a side hustle, with the hope of making some additional money.

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August 27, 2023, 05:04:23 AM
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And if indeed our work is good, we should prefer to continue our work rather than expecting to make money from gambling and want to make it our main source of income. We will find it difficult to get the money because of the defeat factor that will come to us every time we gamble, and we can't win too often, so we will experience more losses than wins. That is why we must be able to choose which one is best for us, and because we already know that gambling cannot be used as the main source of income, we must have any job to make money. That's what we need so that if we want to play gambling and consider gambling as entertainment, we already have the money. And perhaps we can win some money that can add to the money we had before.
Are you thinking about using gaming to supplement your income? Gambling is unreliable and utterly dangerous to all addiction gamblers. It is not a financial advice since it will gradually deplete out pockets. Winning and losing occurred on a regular schedule, corresponding to trading earnings and losses. We should chose what will absolutely work for us, and we are already gaining over time, but having a primary occupation that brings food on the table and covers our expenses should be made possible. Gambling is more of a side hustle, with the hope of making some additional money.

The best approach is to do some job/business and do not solely depend on gambling activities and games. There is no guarantee that you will always win and always be in profit. 

Yes, if you gamble which an approach that you use some extra money in gambling and if you win a big amount, then you may call yourself lucky and that may change your life. Other than this, trying to meet the daily and monthly expenses of your life through gambling is impossible. Gambling is too risky for this approach.

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August 27, 2023, 05:12:32 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.

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August 27, 2023, 05:24:16 AM
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And if indeed our work is good, we should prefer to continue our work rather than expecting to make money from gambling and want to make it our main source of income. We will find it difficult to get the money because of the defeat factor that will come to us every time we gamble, and we can't win too often, so we will experience more losses than wins. That is why we must be able to choose which one is best for us, and because we already know that gambling cannot be used as the main source of income, we must have any job to make money. That's what we need so that if we want to play gambling and consider gambling as entertainment, we already have the money. And perhaps we can win some money that can add to the money we had before.

The work is most important one in our life apart from other things.Because after earning from the work,one can play the gambling using the money from income.If you don't have the work,then you will not have funds to survive.Then how it's possible one to play the gambling.The gambling is based on the money deposit,the free gambling game will not be more thrill one.The gambling can't be used as the source of the income because we can't get continuous winnings from the gambling.
You are very correct, I completely agree with you , even the holy book condemned idleness, that is that it is not good for a man to be idle, idleness brings about a lot of negative things in and around a man's live , and one of those is complete lack of freedom, that is , you are never free of doing anything you want without asking for some kind of aid or something ..

Some one who is into gambling must have a good source of income, gambling should never be made a source of income , because with gambling , there is no guarantee of consistent earning , those who depend on gambling to earn more for all their daily expenditures and activities will end up leaving a very frustrating life , and the chances of such person going into robbery is high, never be idle and never depend on gambling alone for money ,have a reliable and dependable business or work .

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August 27, 2023, 09:24:23 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.

No one is planning to make gambling their source of income. Those pros most probably didn't plan it from the start, it was sort of a hobby and they were getting good at it, and the bulb lit brightly when they realized it could be after all they won thousands already besides the fact they had a source of income as well. They were just adding their hobby as a source of income.

I'm also not into gambling, especially casino games, I'm more into sports but sometimes I tend to play when there is nothing for me to bet on. Still not good in any of these but I keep trying our luck.


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August 27, 2023, 10:45:05 AM
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The work is most important one in our life apart from other things.Because after earning from the work,one can play the gambling using the money from income.If you don't have the work,then you will not have funds to survive.Then how it's possible one to play the gambling.The gambling is based on the money deposit,the free gambling game will not be more thrill one.The gambling can't be used as the source of the income because we can't get continuous winnings from the gambling.
But if he has managed to get an income from his job, it is better for him not to use some of the money to gamble but to keep it in his savings. That will reduce the risk of losing money in gambling because he can see what he is doing can provide benefits in the future, even if not much. But if he doesn't have a job, he won't be able to have any income, and if he relies on gambling to have any income, it will be difficult to get one because gambling will not always bring him winnings. We may be able to win from gambling, but we cannot expect that win to come every time we gamble. So we should be able to think about just looking for a job instead of relying on gambling as the main income. Earning income from work is more feasible because you can avoid all kinds of problems caused by gambling.

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Are you thinking about using gaming to supplement your income? Gambling is unreliable and utterly dangerous to all addiction gamblers. It is not a financial advice since it will gradually deplete out pockets. Winning and losing occurred on a regular schedule, corresponding to trading earnings and losses. We should chose what will absolutely work for us, and we are already gaining over time, but having a primary occupation that brings food on the table and covers our expenses should be made possible. Gambling is more of a side hustle, with the hope of making some additional money.
I didn't think about using gambling to supplement my income because I knew it would be hard to earn. I only thought of making gambling a place to play and have fun. Instead of using gambling as a source of income, it will make me lose a lot of money because I rarely get wins from playing gambling. We cannot rely on gambling as a source of income because we can get a losing factor, which can make us lose a lot of money.

Having a job to earn income is necessary because we need to survive, and if we can have income from that job, we can also survive. But we also cannot use gambling as a side job because of the losses that we can experience. It's better for us to use gambling as entertainment to get pleasure and nothing more.

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Perhaps in your little world, its all about hamburgers and movies. Money spent on leisure or food provides a tangible return. You get satisfaction, a break from reality, or just something to munch on. What do you get from gambling? A promise? A maybe? An ephemeral dream that more often than not turns into a nightmare?

Your analogy is flawed. Eating at McDonald's isnt about searching for some hidden treasure inside your burger, its about immediate gratification. Gambling, on the other hand, is often an endless pit, a vortex that sucks in those who come close.

Look, most gamblers might "know it", but knowledge without action is nothing. Being aware and constantly falling into the same trap, thats the real tragedy. So, before you simplify complex behaviors into fast-food comparisons, perhaps gain a more profound understanding of the human psyche.

Gambling also gives you an immediate gratification when you win $2 staking only 20 cents. You achieve nothing with that except the immediate gratification. And yet, it's worth it. Even if you lose those $2 afterwards, you had your fun, right? Also I don't see gambling as a "vortex that sucks in those who come close". I've been "close" for 10 years and wasn't sucked in no vortex. You?

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August 27, 2023, 11:52:42 AM
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And if indeed our work is good, we should prefer to continue our work rather than expecting to make money from gambling and want to make it our main source of income. We will find it difficult to get the money because of the defeat factor that will come to us every time we gamble, and we can't win too often, so we will experience more losses than wins. That is why we must be able to choose which one is best for us, and because we already know that gambling cannot be used as the main source of income, we must have any job to make money. That's what we need so that if we want to play gambling and consider gambling as entertainment, we already have the money. And perhaps we can win some money that can add to the money we had before.
Are you thinking about using gaming to supplement your income? Gambling is unreliable and utterly dangerous to all addiction gamblers. It is not a financial advice since it will gradually deplete out pockets. Winning and losing occurred on a regular schedule, corresponding to trading earnings and losses. We should chose what will absolutely work for us, and we are already gaining over time, but having a primary occupation that brings food on the table and covers our expenses should be made possible. Gambling is more of a side hustle, with the hope of making some additional money.

     -   That's true, I don't understand why they still believe that gambling in a casino is a good source of income for them. The majority of the gamblers in crypto gambling faced losses most of the time, and we all know this. Therefore, a lot of them fail to win because, obviously, the house always wins.

It's really hard to make gambling one of your sources of income, and none of them succeed in this belief. Yeah, there are some who won a lot, but they didn't use it properly due to a lack of financial management.

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August 27, 2023, 02:48:46 PM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.

No one is planning to make gambling their source of income. Those pros most probably didn't plan it from the start, it was sort of a hobby and they were getting good at it, and the bulb lit brightly when they realized it could be after all they won thousands already besides the fact they had a source of income as well. They were just adding their hobby as a source of income.

I'm also not into gambling, especially casino games, I'm more into sports but sometimes I tend to play when there is nothing for me to bet on. Still not good in any of these but I keep trying our luck.

Well that's actually true, maybe they did not just expected to get an offer for their talents and skills in gambling so they took the chance. Not only you could paid, you could also won in gambling if they are actually good. Gambling as a source of income is tolerable in a good way for professionals. But if you're just an average person hoping and relying on luck in gambling to sustain your needs? Then it's not good. We can make it as our past time or hobby but the way you're relying on it as your money sources that would never be a good idea. It could just worsen your needs of money cause if you're not good enough, for sure you would lose a lot if you can't even control yourself mentally and emotionally.

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August 27, 2023, 08:41:52 PM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.

as many people have already said in this thread, the game should be seen only as entertainment, imagine that tomorrow the government of your country allows everyone to play, you take 500$ and start playing thinking that with that capital you will be able to make constant profits , but you lose everything, but even if you lose everything, you still hope that you can profit from gambling and you decide to put more money in the casino, you play and lose everything. but still your hope has not disappeared and you put money back in the casino and lose everything again. for some people those 3 consecutive losses would already be a big sign to give up on gambling

but for most people this only increases anger and they get the feeling of revenge to recover the lost money, so they start taking salary money, money to pay bills, they keep taking money that should be used for fun with other things and they put it on gambling and they lose everything, their focus becomes gambling, people get a lot of anxiety, depression, sadness and gambling addiction begins, and they cannot admit that they are crossing the line, who are already addicted to gambling. all they think is that they have to have more money to recover the lost money

the thought that the next time will be different, does not disappear from these people's minds, addiction is something destructive, it is a serious mistake to think that the person will constantly win at games of chance, some people were very lucky to win a lot and managed to do it soon , but other people don't know what time they will stop playing, if someone asked you: do you know what time you will stop playing? when the person doesn't know about it, and when everything just gets worse

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August 28, 2023, 05:55:18 AM
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The work is most important one in our life apart from other things.Because after earning from the work,one can play the gambling using the money from income.If you don't have the work,then you will not have funds to survive.Then how it's possible one to play the gambling.The gambling is based on the money deposit,the free gambling game will not be more thrill one.The gambling can't be used as the source of the income because we can't get continuous winnings from the gambling.

Let me use the phrase, 'Some gamblers are talented at gambling.' Even if they don't have a job or any work that is fetching them income, they can still gamble, and from the little win they make from gambling, they use it to gamble again, repeatedly, and since they are good at it, they know how to manage their income until they win again. There's someone I know who gambles mostly on sports, and there's no way he doesn't win at least $100 to $200, and he will use his wins to gamble and win again. Although sometimes he still runs out of funds and has to ask his friends to bail him out, he will continue gambling. But I stand by the truth, which is that gambling should not be taken as a source of income; success in gambling is not measured by certainty but by how lucky the gambler can be; and despite the fact that one can win some money in gambling, it doesn't change the fact that gambling is for fun and entertainment.

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August 28, 2023, 10:58:00 AM
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The work is most important one in our life apart from other things.Because after earning from the work,one can play the gambling using the money from income.If you don't have the work,then you will not have funds to survive.Then how it's possible one to play the gambling.The gambling is based on the money deposit,the free gambling game will not be more thrill one.The gambling can't be used as the source of the income because we can't get continuous winnings from the gambling.

Let me use the phrase, 'Some gamblers are talented at gambling.' Even if they don't have a job or any work that is fetching them income, they can still gamble, and from the little win they make from gambling, they use it to gamble again, repeatedly, and since they are good at it, they know how to manage their income until they win again. There's someone I know who gambles mostly on sports, and there's no way he doesn't win at least $100 to $200, and he will use his wins to gamble and win again. Although sometimes he still runs out of funds and has to ask his friends to bail him out, he will continue gambling. But I stand by the truth, which is that gambling should not be taken as a source of income; success in gambling is not measured by certainty but by how lucky the gambler can be; and despite the fact that one can win some money in gambling, it doesn't change the fact that gambling is for fun and entertainment.
I admit that some people are truly talented gamblers at gambling. But how many have a talent for gambling? Maybe there will not be many of them, while others will not have talent in gambling and rely solely on their luck and ability to analyze a match. So it is mostly those who cannot use gambling as a source of income because they will only experience frequent defeats compared to people who are talented at gambling. Indeed, talented people can make money from gambling and get people hooked on it and in the end, they try it but don't succeed in making money from gambling and instead experience a lot of losses.

Many of those who don't have a source of income are trapped in gambling because they think that they can make money from gambling and think they can make gambling as a source of income. These people must realize their mistake so they must try to get a job that can be a source of income for them instead of trying to get a source of income from gambling.

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August 28, 2023, 11:12:57 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.

Sorry to hear that you can't gamble in your country. We all should be free to choose what we do with our money and no religion or government should ban things that people enjoy. One solution for you could be to enjoy gambling on vacation if you travel to countries where it's allowed to operate casinos. In any case I would still not count gsmbling as an income, because we won't get reliable periodical payments like we would get from our normal job, where we receive a fixed salary each month. It's not that we can't get a nice profit from gambling, it's the point that we don't know when the profit is going to come in. The randomness in gambling is what makes it so hard to rely on any money coming in from it. When paying bills we need the money right now to avoid any late fees and we can't reply that we only pay once we make the money through gambling.
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August 28, 2023, 11:22:02 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.

Even if the government declares it a legal thing, I don't think people will get involved in gambling in our country because of religion. If people do, that will be done secretly and it will still remain as bad practice. Whatever the government does, Gambling is not reliable for making money. Even nowhere people see it as the main income source. Gambling houses / Casinos also say "Gamble for fun only".

While houses itself says gamble for fun only because most of the time gamblers ended up losing, people still want to make money by gambling. Gambling is not for people with low income. Gambling is fun for rich peoples only. While people with low income takes it seriously.
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August 28, 2023, 11:42:53 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.
Gambling is generally legally illegal and socially unacceptable I also think it is wrong to consider gambling as the main source of income. There is no exact guarantee of what the amount of law will be here. You absolutely can many people in the world have made a fortune from gambling but it doesn't guarantee that you can. Even if you gamble the best how to get rich there is still a risk of losing uses it compulsively or feels out of control.
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September 04, 2023, 09:15:50 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.
Gambling is generally legally illegal and socially unacceptable I also think it is wrong to consider gambling as the main source of income. There is no exact guarantee of what the amount of law will be here. You absolutely can many people in the world have made a fortune from gambling but it doesn't guarantee that you can. Even if you gamble the best how to get rich there is still a risk of losing uses it compulsively or feels out of control.

As with any other business, no? I personally think the answer is no for many businesses, but in the same time a big part is pretty much like gambling. The difference is that if you buy a place and open a restaurant there and it goes bankrupt, you can still sell the place and have some money, while with gambling it's possible to lose literally everything.

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September 06, 2023, 11:46:21 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.
Gambling is generally legally illegal and socially unacceptable I also think it is wrong to consider gambling as the main source of income. There is no exact guarantee of what the amount of law will be here. You absolutely can many people in the world have made a fortune from gambling but it doesn't guarantee that you can. Even if you gamble the best how to get rich there is still a risk of losing uses it compulsively or feels out of control.

As with any other business, no? I personally think the answer is no for many businesses, but in the same time a big part is pretty much like gambling. The difference is that if you buy a place and open a restaurant there and it goes bankrupt, you can still sell the place and have some money, while with gambling it's possible to lose literally everything.
May be the same will be with the restaurant - you can lose everything in any business if you will make mistakes - you can lose everything, include the earth.
If we are talking about any business - it will be the same as the gambling you always risk to lose everything. Only work for salary guarantees you stable income.
I`m sure that gambling can be a major income - i know several men, who have no any income except bets. But the same time i`m sure that not lots of people possible to make the same.

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September 07, 2023, 04:24:19 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.
Gambling is generally legally illegal and socially unacceptable I also think it is wrong to consider gambling as the main source of income. There is no exact guarantee of what the amount of law will be here. You absolutely can many people in the world have made a fortune from gambling but it doesn't guarantee that you can. Even if you gamble the best how to get rich there is still a risk of losing uses it compulsively or feels out of control.
Even if gambling is legally unacceptable,there are some parts of the world that depend on gambling because of the unavailability of jobs in that country.And one thing I know about gambling is it quick source of money.Whether good or bad,there are people who cannot  do without gambling,because they are making money from it.They depend on fix matches,to earn a living.
For those people who depend on gambling,they bare in mind that one day,they will build mansions through gambling,and sometimes their believe work for them because I have seen people who win millions and get a good life ever after.They keep on pursuing their goals till they eventually win.

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September 07, 2023, 04:50:04 AM
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I never consider gambling as a major source of my income as it is a religiously and socially taboo/illegal practice in my country. Moreover, gambling has been declared illegal by the government and legal system. Therefore, even if I want to, I cannot directly participate in gambling, and even if I participate in gambling, I cannot add it as a source of my income. If gambling is ever legalized by the government in my country, then gambling must be considered a fixed portion of my income.
Gambling is generally legally illegal and socially unacceptable I also think it is wrong to consider gambling as the main source of income. There is no exact guarantee of what the amount of law will be here. You absolutely can many people in the world have made a fortune from gambling but it doesn't guarantee that you can. Even if you gamble the best how to get rich there is still a risk of losing uses it compulsively or feels out of control.
Even if gambling is legally unacceptable,there are some parts of the world that depend on gambling because of the unavailability of jobs in that country.And one thing I know about gambling is it quick source of money.Whether good or bad,there are people who cannot  do without gambling,because they are making money from it.They depend on fix matches,to earn a living.
For those people who depend on gambling,they bare in mind that one day,they will build mansions through gambling,and sometimes their believe work for them because I have seen people who win millions and get a good life ever after.They keep on pursuing their goals till they eventually win.

I think there are very few people using match-fixing schemes, they are not among the middle class and even among the rich. Most likely, these are important authorities who have politicians and businessmen as friends, or these are businessmen who are simply engaged in match-fixing in addition to their main income.
Recently I read a story about a guy who worked in a big bookmaker's office, and he noticed a serious guy in a suit who always bet on boring, not very famous tennis matches, and always won. Then it turned out that he visited all the bookmakers and took the winnings everywhere. The author of the story realized that this uncle uses contractual schemes, and began to place the same bets as this man.

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