Betcoin.ag is trying to scam me off my 7,7k USD BALANCE *RESOLVED*

[yhiaali3]

We do not have any information regarding their liquidity structure. Only because they are around for some time now does not mean that 7,7k USD is not major money to them. How do we know that they have not have been running break even after all their costs over the past years?

Whether the amount is 7k$ or less does not matter because it is unacceptable to freeze any player's money without clear violation and providing evidence.

Also I find it suspicious to ask for KYC after you won the bet, why didn't they ask for it when they first registered?

Also, if they say that you used a scanning program, they should provide proof that you are actually using a scanning program. It is better to put it in this thread for everyone to see.

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[Coingambling]

In the meantime, our reputation as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks speaks for itself

I would like to comment on this aswell.
I have taken myself the time now and checked the last six scam accusation pages on Bitcointalk.
On these six pages, the name of your company came across five times. With the amount of bookmakers out there, this is quite a major percentage.
So you are in no position anymore to say you have a reputation "as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks".

I am not able to speak on these other cases of course, I am sure people do wrong staff.
But I can speak for myself and I have never violated your Terms of Services, your accusations are simply lies and by now, no proof was shown from your side what could have valid leave the impression that I am using any software.

[LEVSKI7]

If the company is an EOOD, it must be Bulgarian or at least registered in Bulgaria.but not having a Curacao license will make it difficult for the lawyer

[Rating Place]

In the meantime, our reputation as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks speaks for itself

I would like to comment on this aswell.
I have taken myself the time now and checked the last six scam accusation pages on Bitcointalk.
On these six pages, the name of your company came across five times. With the amount of bookmakers out there, this is quite a major percentage.
So you are in no position anymore to say you have a reputation "as one of the most trusted bitcoin sportsbooks".

I am not able to speak on these other cases of course, I am sure people do wrong staff.
But I can speak for myself and I have never violated your Terms of Services, your accusations are simply lies and by now, no proof was shown from your side what could have valid leave the impression that I am using any software.

Coingambling - The only reason that I'm jumping in here is that you linked this thread from mine. I rarely stray from my thread. It looks like your account is just under review right now. I'm not taking a side either way at this point but will mention what other guides say about Betcoin.

If you look at the bottom of the 2nd page here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 , you'll find other resources. I'll post it below. All the guides are pretty much in agreement that Nitrobetting and Betcoin are rated #1 or #2. Emotions understandably run high in these types of disputes but I wouldn't worry too much at this point.

Other sources:


Current rating guide by 100bookies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158369.0 https://100bookies.com/cryptocurrency-sportsbooks-eng/
Current rating guide by cryptogamingrevu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419723.0 https://cryptogamingrevu.com/
Ratings by Bitedge https://bitedge.com/crypto-sportsbook-reviews/#top-crypto-sportsbooks
Old rating thread by RyanK https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577102.0
Old rating thread by Frue Greeds https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1820529.0

This includes all rating sportsbook guides here at bitcointalk. It's not selective.

[Coingambling]

Another 12 hours+ have passed without any further details from Betcoin.ag despite they have been online.
Still waiting for the details that leaded to their decision that I was using a detection software when making those live tennis bets.

Meanwhile, getting more and more support not only here but also in other forums.
Optional from SBR (that is like the major figure when it comes to gambling, not a sports bettor, but a person who is trying to negotiate in problematic situations with bookmakers and gamblers with major experience) even made a statement clearly stating that if Betcoin.ag do not refund me my money, he considers this a a theft/scamming.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3727552-betcoin-ag-trying-scam-me-my-7-7k-usd-balance.html#post31198968

[Betcoin.AG]

Another 12 hours+ have passed without any further details from Betcoin.ag despite they have been online.

We have told you twice that the review will take up to 7 business days. So far, it has been 0 business days. If you don't want to be in positions like this, stop cheating sportsbooks. That part is confirmed. Now, we will now be spending the necessary time to verify that this was your first account at Betcoin. There are a variety of methods used for this, and they can take some time. We certainly did not want to have to do this. Hopefully you and your ilk will learn one day, how to play fair. We will inform you by email of our decision, within 7 business days.

[Coingambling]

Another 12 hours+ have passed without any further details from Betcoin.ag despite they have been online.

If you don't want to be in positions like this, stop cheating sportsbooks. That part is confirmed.

Prove it, we are all waiting for it. As this is confirmed from your side, this really should not be a big deal.
Prove it once and for all to the thousands of people I have informed about your practices now on multiple forums.

Until you have failed to do that and as the majority here and also Optional from SBR has pointed out, this is a try of theft/scamming.
Theft is illegal in every country of this planet.

[Betcoin.AG]

-SNIP

In the history of BitcoinTalk scam accusations, no one has ever said "show me the evidence" and then been shown the evidence and admitted fault. Oddly enough, they just use the evidence to find new ways to claim they are not guilty! We don't provide cheaters with the information they need to find new ways to cheat. We have not spent many years and many hundreds of thousands of dollars developing this system so that we can bust it out for the first cheater who says "show me the evidence". We have thousands of people each month who are winning far more than you have, who don't have an issue. We have an exceptional relationship with SBR and an exceptional relationship with the BitcoinTalk community. You are the outlier. Learn from this, because if you keep trying to exploit bitcoin sportsbooks, it will happen every time. We will contact you within 7 business days with a resolution.

[Coingambling]

-SNIP

In the history of BitcoinTalk scam accusations, no one has ever said "show me the evidence" and then been shown the evidence and admitted fault. Oddly enough, they just use the evidence to find new ways to claim they are not guilty! We don't provide cheaters with the information they need to find new ways to cheat. We have not spent many years and many hundreds of thousands of dollars developing this system so that we can bust it out for the first cheater who says "show me the evidence". We have thousands of people each month who are winning far more than you have, who don't have an issue. We have an exceptional relationship with SBR and an exceptional relationship with the BitcoinTalk community. You are the outlier. Learn from this, because if you keep trying to exploit bitcoin sportsbooks, it will happen every time. We will contact you within 7 business days with a resolution.

So to sum it up for everyone:
Betcoin.ag says I have done something which lead to a confiscation of my balance worth 0.291187 BTC (0.2036 BTC deposit, 0.087587 BTC profit). Betcoin.ag has invested hundreds of thousand of dollars in developing their system and is not able to explain how this system has identified me as a bettor potentially using third party software as it would allow new ways to cheat.

Betoin.ag pretends to have an exceptional relationship with BitcoinTalk, despite on the last six scam accusation pages here we have five major complaints against them.

Betcoin.ag pretends to have an exceptional relationship with SBR, despite the head of SBR just confirmed that their current practice in this case is theft/scamming.
The relationship and their system is so good that they have never demonstrated the use of their system to SBR despite being asked about this from their site aswell.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3727552-betcoin-ag-trying-scam-me-my-7-7k-usd-balance.html#post31198968

I think tomorrow Betcoin.ag will tell us that planet earth is flat.

Stay far away from this company. You will face major issues with them if you win a little bigger.

[Betcoin.AG]

-SNIP

I see 3 other accusations on the first 6 pages. The first was resolved promptly, according to the player. The 2nd and 3rd were provable multi-accounting violations, 1 which was decided in our favor by a 3rd party mediator and 1 which the player didn't bother to follow up, as he knew he was guilty. If you want people to trust you, stop lying to them. No one has confiscated any money from you, as of right now. We have stated that you are in violation of terms and that we are reviewing the severity prior to resolving. I can tell you that with certainly, we are well within our rights to confiscate your entire balance, per the terms of service you agreed to upon signup. However, as we have stated, that is only done in the case of a previous violation. If this is your first offense, we hope that we have shown you that it is not worth returning, as your little bot scam doesn't work on us.

Regarding our relationship with this community, you are wrong again. Unlike you, we are daily participants here, and as was shown above, we are one of the oldest and most trusted books on the forum.

Coingambling - The only reason that I'm jumping in here is that you linked this thread from mine. I rarely stray from my thread. It looks like your account is just under review right now. I'm not taking a side either way at this point but will mention what other guides say about Betcoin.

If you look at the bottom of the 2nd page here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0 , you'll find other resources. I'll post it below. All the guides are pretty much in agreement that Betcoin is rated #1 or #2. Emotions understandably run high in these types of disputes but I wouldn't worry too much at this point.

Other sources:
Current rating guide by 100bookies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158369.0 https://100bookies.com/cryptocurrency-sportsbooks-eng/
Current rating guide by cryptogamingrevu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419723.0 https://cryptogamingrevu.com/
Ratings by Bitedge https://bitedge.com/crypto-sportsbook-reviews/#top-crypto-sportsbooks
Old rating thread by RyanK https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577102.0
Old rating thread by Frue Greeds https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1820529.0

This includes all rating sportsbook guides here at bitcointalk. It's not selective.

Regarding our relationship with SBR, you are wrong once again. When they offered mediation on offshore books, we were in compliance with 100% of their decisions. Only one of their decisions went against us and it was because although were were able to prove that the player was in the wrong, SBR does not support confiscating the entire balance. They asked that we instead confiscate the winnings, which we agreed to. This is why he told you to take the deposit and run. He doesn't agree with our TOS, that we can confiscate the entire balance, however that rule is rarely used, only in cases where cheaters, like yourself, feel the need to keep coming back.

[Coingambling]

I am considering to involve an independent 3rd party mediator in this case.
Would you agree on providing them with a proof of your accusations against me (as you do not want to provide it to me directly)?

[Betcoin.AG]

If you would like to consult a 3rd party mediator, please let us know now, and we will communicate with the mediator only, going forward.  Everything that we have said prior about you getting the deposit back, as long as there are not multiple accounts will be null and void. We do not lose mediation, as we do not suspend an account without clear evidence of abuse. You will be subject to withholding of the entire balance, going forward. You get 1 mediator, so pick a good one! Please let us know what you have decided, as once our resolution is complete, the matter will be closed.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

If you would like to consult a 3rd party mediator, please let us know now, and we will communicate with the mediator only, going forward.  Everything that we have said prior about you getting the deposit back, as long as there are not multiple accounts will be null and void. We do not lose mediation, as we do not suspend an account without clear evidence of abuse. You will be subject to withholding of the entire balance, going forward. You get 1 mediator, so pick a good one! Please let us know what you have decided, as once our resolution is complete, the matter will be closed.

Wyy don't you reply about the license situation? Where is the link to your license page?

If it doesn't exist that means you don't have a license.

[steve5946]

If you would like to consult a 3rd party mediator, please let us know now, and we will communicate with the mediator only, going forward.  Everything that we have said prior about you getting the deposit back, as long as there are not multiple accounts will be null and void. We do not lose mediation, as we do not suspend an account without clear evidence of abuse. You will be subject to withholding of the entire balance, going forward. You get 1 mediator, so pick a good one! Please let us know what you have decided, as once our resolution is complete, the matter will be closed.

If you would like to consult a 3rd party mediator, please let us know now, and we will communicate with the mediator only, going forward.  Everything that we have said prior about you getting the deposit back, as long as there are not multiple accounts will be null and void. We do not lose mediation, as we do not suspend an account without clear evidence of abuse. You will be subject to withholding of the entire balance, going forward. You get 1 mediator, so pick a good one! Please let us know what you have decided, as once our resolution is complete, the matter will be closed.

Wyy don't you reply about the license situation? Where is the link to your license page?

If it doesn't exist that means you don't have a license.

Checking their website, it seems they are currently operating without a license and he's been skipping the question since yesterday. It's important for any casino to answer this type of question promptly.

If you are operating without a license at the moment let players know. You might be a reputable casino is the past but that doesn't allow you to not address concerns like this!

So, tell us if you have a license....

[Coingambling]

If you would like to consult a 3rd party mediator, please let us know now, and we will communicate with the mediator only, going forward.  Everything that we have said prior about you getting the deposit back, as long as there are not multiple accounts will be null and void. We do not lose mediation, as we do not suspend an account without clear evidence of abuse. You will be subject to withholding of the entire balance, going forward. You get 1 mediator, so pick a good one! Please let us know what you have decided, as once our resolution is complete, the matter will be closed.

In this case, I will stay away from involving a 3rd party mediator.
Provide me as offered with a fair resolution within the next seven working days.

[Coingambling]

Hey guys,

no updates for now regarding their license situation.
Still also waiting for their resolution offer. I have made another step in their direction via mail and stated that I am open to find a resolution together as I want to get behind this.

Keeping you guys updated daily.

[holydarkness]

Hey guys,

no updates for now regarding their license situation.
Still also waiting for their resolution offer. I have made another step in their direction via mail and stated that I am open to find a resolution together as I want to get behind this.

Keeping you guys updated daily.

I've been on read-only mode for this thread since yesterday and actually wanted to pass for this case but, uhh... OP, would you perhaps consider to exercise some patience? It's barely 12 hours from your change of decision from contacting 3rd party mediator to a proposed alternate resolution, where you gave them 7 days [that's just two posts above mine], so... perhaps wait a little, they're still within the timeframe you gave them yourself. Not to mention that consecutive posts is highly frowned by the mods of the forum.

[Hhampuz]

I've been on read-only mode for this thread since yesterday and actually wanted to pass for this case but, uhh... OP, would you perhaps consider to exercise some patience? It's barely 12 hours from your change of decision from contacting 3rd party mediator to a proposed alternate resolution, where you gave them 7 days [that's just two posts above mine], so... perhaps wait a little, they're still within the timeframe you gave them yourself. Not to mention that consecutive posts is highly frowned by the mods of the forum.

An abuser exercising patience rather than making ludicrous demands while riling up the usual suspects around this forum to sway the public opinion and/or start a witch hunt?

[Coingambling]

Hey guys,

no updates for now regarding their license situation.
Still also waiting for their resolution offer. I have made another step in their direction via mail and stated that I am open to find a resolution together as I want to get behind this.

Keeping you guys updated daily.

I've been on read-only mode for this thread since yesterday and actually wanted to pass for this case but, uhh... OP, would you perhaps consider to exercise some patience? It's barely 12 hours from your change of decision from contacting 3rd party mediator to a proposed alternate resolution, where you gave them 7 days [that's just two posts above mine], so... perhaps wait a little, they're still within the timeframe you gave them yourself. Not to mention that consecutive posts is highly frowned by the mods of the forum.

You are not in my situation.
But I can see your point and I will practice myself in patience, thank you for the hint.

[spyrosc200]

I've been on read-only mode for this thread since yesterday and actually wanted to pass for this case but, uhh... OP, would you perhaps consider to exercise some patience? It's barely 12 hours from your change of decision from contacting 3rd party mediator to a proposed alternate resolution, where you gave them 7 days [that's just two posts above mine], so... perhaps wait a little, they're still within the timeframe you gave them yourself. Not to mention that consecutive posts is highly frowned by the mods of the forum.

An abuser exercising patience rather than making ludicrous demands while riling up the usual suspects around this forum to sway the public opinion and/or start a witch hunt?

Either post proofs or stop accusing him.

So far you accused him firstly that he was using a scanning service, later for the use of bots to place bets, what's next?