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June 21, 2023, 12:21:08 PM
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Before stating my answers for all three questions I would like to mention the following;

As far as I have observed I can divide the gambling addicts into two;

Some gambling addicts constantly gamble within their own budget simply because they can't beat their own desires, and if their budget runs out they stop gambling until they can find money again.

Some gambling addicts, find money by performing all kinds of activities to gamble and consume this money in gambling as in the event described.

To answer the questions by generalizing;

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1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them?


Especially the gambling addicts that I mentioned as the second do not think about themselves or the people around them when they are going to gamble. In other words, it doesn't matter that if there is a mistake to be made, harm will come to him/her or to his/her environment.

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2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling?

Of course, except when they gamble these people think about how the people around them are affected by these situations but this is not the case when they gamble. In addition, they do not think about what can be done for these people in a solution-oriented manner.  

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3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?

Yes, unfortunately, after a certain point gambling becomes the standard of living for such people.
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June 21, 2023, 01:21:25 PM
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First, a good story, and it was proven who did it, so a big sigh to that.
A question that bothers me concerning this issue is;
1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them? 
No, I don't think so. It's not different with drug addicts. They will only realize the consequences when they are done with the money, or spent all of it in their gambling habit.
2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling? 
Yes and no. There are those who feel guilty about what they did and they might tell the truth after the money is spent. But as much as possible, if it could stay hidden then they will not tell anything. If nobody will react then it will stay the same way until they are caught.
3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?
That's why discipline is much needed in gambling. When I was a child was taught about not being greedy, and avoiding addictive substances and activities. Up until now I still carry the lesson given to me by the one who looked after me. That is also the reason why I know to myself that I won't be a gambling addict. Every time I use the spare money that I have and it's a loss, I just give up and let time flow, take a rest. I know I can gamble again some other time when I have spare money again. I don't need to steal or anything just to satisfy my hobby.

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June 21, 2023, 01:37:41 PM
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Gambling if not checked cam lead to a devastating condition for a gambler's life. As a gambler when you allow yourself to be controlled by gambling instinct instead of having control over it, it repercussions doesn't particularly affects only you but goes beyond just you to those around you.

A woman was giving an account of how her gambling husband has been problematic to her with his gambling attitude. She gave an instance of how her husband had to steal her jewelry and sold it to get money to carry on his gambling enterprise. And unsuspecting of her husband the woman accused their come-and-go house-cleaner of making away with her jewelry when the cleaner must have come to the house for her cleaning services that very faithful day. She got the cleaner arrested, but then, investigations where carried out which it was uncovered that the woman's husband was the one who stole her jewelry for gambling and not the cleaner.

It is difficult to grasp or imagined the level of humiliation the innocent cleaner must have faced for an act she knows nothing about.

A question that bothers me concerning this issue is;
1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them?  
2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling?  
3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?

Undoubtedly, this topic is something that should be dealt with and discussed, but we are a betting board, most of whom here have a signature on them and bring up topics like these asking for advice, about doing this or that.

It is very rare to find here issues related to betting in essence to gambling, but if topics with addicts to betting, it seems that although they do not make bets it is easy for them to judge or create "issues" about it.

I recommend that you find an expert, I just wrote it, the game is not the problem, it's the individuals, if you have that problem you have it the same with drink, marijuana, pain relievers etc.

As for your questions, they can be answered by an addict or an expert on the subject of addictions, and perhaps I have read that some users here have been addicted, but it is always an individual experience.
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June 21, 2023, 02:22:49 PM
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1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them? 
2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling? 
3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?
Gambling addicts are aware of the consequences of their action. But because they're uncontrolled it's already hard to think of the right thing to do due to their eagerness to keep on playing to sustain their addiction. There's probably part in their minds to stop or feel guilty and have regrets. But because they're used to playing (regardless how and where they got their funds to gamble) they will continue to play to satisfy themselves as an addicted gambler.

An addict who is bothered for the aftermath and wants to overcome his/her addiction will do something to already stop. Taking it slowly is better with the help of people around showing great support through encouragement.
When the mind is controlled by the desire to gamble, a person cannot think clearly because all they want is to gamble. They will think of nothing else except gambling and getting a win. They will not think about losing because they are probably used to it. But when they get wins above $10, they will be happy and continue with it until they can win big money.

A gambling addict will find it difficult to stop if he cannot realize that he is a gambling addict, especially if he cannot think about the defeats he has experienced. This will only make him deeper into gambling without being able to get out. And yes, he needs help from those around him to get out of gambling.

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June 21, 2023, 02:43:51 PM
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When the mind is controlled by the desire to gamble, a person cannot think clearly because all they want is to gamble. They will think of nothing else except gambling and getting a win. They will not think about losing because they are probably used to it. But when they get wins above $10, they will be happy and continue with it until they can win big money.

Most gambling addicts would not think much of this, as their hope of winning has overcome fear. Whatever the end result is losing or winning, they will still do it again, winning will make things very enjoyable for them and losing is a natural thing that will most likely happen more often, when they experience defeat they will think that today. they were unlucky and then they will do it again tomorrow with great confidence to win.

A gambling addict will find it difficult to stop if he cannot realize that he is a gambling addict, especially if he cannot think about the defeats he has experienced. This will only make him deeper into gambling without being able to get out. And yes, he needs help from those around him to get out of gambling.

Gambling is fun and fun things will turn into a hobby for happiness, they will not realize and will not really care how much money they have spent, it is difficult for them to get out of the zone because their mind is always focused on hoping for a win . They will not be able to stop while they have money or valuables to gamble with and this cycle will continue until they realize they have lost everything they had when they needed it most.

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June 21, 2023, 02:55:12 PM
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When the mind is controlled by the desire to gamble, a person cannot think clearly because all they want is to gamble. They will think of nothing else except gambling and getting a win. They will not think about losing because they are probably used to it. But when they get wins above $10, they will be happy and continue with it until they can win big money.

A gambling addict will find it difficult to stop if he cannot realize that he is a gambling addict, especially if he cannot think about the defeats he has experienced. This will only make him deeper into gambling without being able to get out. And yes, he needs help from those around him to get out of gambling.
One thing is to be an addict; the other is to accept; most gamblers never acknowledge that they are addicts, which worsens the condition in question. Gambling is an addiction; one must know when to gamble and when to stop; it is our decision to either quit when we are not making profits or to continue our quest for big earnings, recording hugh losses. Addicts are the most catastrophic kind of gamblers considering they are willing to do all in their power to place wagers on games, whether for profits or losses, which they accept and repeat the entire process daily.

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Yes. They are even planning already what to do if they lost their capital. I guess the husband planned it all to steal the jewelry, he just didn't count one situation where the cleaning lady will be arrested. Gamblers are still human though, they feel bad just like everyone else, and they'd be sympathetic as well when something bad happens to someone.

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A question that bothers me concerning this issue is;
1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them? 
2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling? 
3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?

They are blinded and good reasoning will not suffice them, they have created a monster ego so they will not listen even to the best advice, I have seen the worse in a gambling addict the guy steal from his manager of 20 years he losses all his retirement benefits and go to jail.

He only feels sorry when he has done irreparable damage to himself and his family, which is why families should always be on the look or watch if any of their family is becoming addiction gambling, they need early intervention before everything is too late.

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June 21, 2023, 03:49:21 PM
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Gambling if not checked cam lead to a devastating condition for a gambler's life. As a gambler when you allow yourself to be controlled by gambling instinct instead of having control over it, it repercussions doesn't particularly affects only you but goes beyond just you to those around you.

A woman was giving an account of how her gambling husband has been problematic to her with his gambling attitude. She gave an instance of how her husband had to steal her jewelry and sold it to get money to carry on his gambling enterprise. And unsuspecting of her husband the woman accused their come-and-go house-cleaner of making away with her jewelry when the cleaner must have come to the house for her cleaning services that very faithful day. She got the cleaner arrested, but then, investigations where carried out which it was uncovered that the woman's husband was the one who stole her jewelry for gambling and not the cleaner.

It is difficult to grasp or imagined the level of humiliation the innocent cleaner must have faced for an act she knows nothing about.

A question that bothers me concerning this issue is;
1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them? 
2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling? 
3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?

Gambling addicts are not some subhuman trash, although some can be, and act such a way.

The very problem in addiction, whether its from gambling, drugs, alcohol, food etc. all points to the same physical cause. The brain chemistry of an addict is going haywire and is not as it should be. This Dysbalance in for example, dopamine receptors that cannot work properly after being abused by dopamine draining drugs or behavior.

So what it really is is a neurological and mental illness that needs to be treated professionally, otherwise the individual does not stand much of a chance beating it him/herself. And thats the point in which things become desperate.

So the things they do and say is understandable, even if its not tolerable.
I get what you're trying to say here, and I sympathize with them as much as the next guy who's aware of the risks and dangers of being addicted to gambling but at the same time, if you let yourself be stuck in that situation, cause let's face it even though your brain's going haywire you still have agency over your actions and words which in all manners of the sense makes you liable for every action you'd take from here on out, including the use of intervention to prevent further succumbing to addiction. That's why we have people who could quit smoking, taking drugs and all that out of their own volition or assisted by a professional, it all starts within the self.

So you can't really absolve them of any crimes they will commit just because their dopamine receptors are fucked. That wouldn't hold up well in court.

Of course we cannot let them off so easily, just because they are addicted - they still made their own decisions, whilst being warned by others not to do them. Everything is their responsibility and in no way do I condone such actions. Why should someone be spared the consequences of their own actions? That is completely fine by me.

What I am saying is that addiction is not well understood. And I am certain that if addicted criminals get the professional help they need, while in prison, then there is almost a 100% chance that they will keep going against the law once they get out of prison.

Rehabilitation is important.


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June 21, 2023, 04:21:44 PM
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Gambling addiction is so complex to understand. I wouldn't be surprised if the woman in the story tried to keep tried to protect her husband's addiction. The most important thing to a gambling addict is to satisfy that urge to gamble just like a heroine addict doesn't mind sleeping with the seller for the drug. In these cases, they aren't worried or concerned about the consequences of such action rather their aim is the immediate gratification involved.

Addiction is simply the pursuit of immediate gratification and the addiction would go the ends of the world no matter what the consequences might be to be gratified. But for gambling addicts, I have always wondered does the gratifications comes from gambling or from winning?

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1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them? 
2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling? 
3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?
Gambling addicts are aware of the consequences of their action. But because they're uncontrolled it's already hard to think of the right thing to do due to their eagerness to keep on playing to sustain their addiction. There's probably part in their minds to stop or feel guilty and have regrets. But because they're used to playing (regardless how and where they got their funds to gamble) they will continue to play to satisfy themselves as an addicted gambler.

An addict who is bothered for the aftermath and wants to overcome his/her addiction will do something to already stop. Taking it slowly is better with the help of people around showing great support through encouragement.
When the mind is controlled by the desire to gamble, a person cannot think clearly because all they want is to gamble. They will think of nothing else except gambling and getting a win. They will not think about losing because they are probably used to it. But when they get wins above $10, they will be happy and continue with it until they can win big money.

A gambling addict will find it difficult to stop if he cannot realize that he is a gambling addict, especially if he cannot think about the defeats he has experienced. This will only make him deeper into gambling without being able to get out. And yes, he needs help from those around him to get out of gambling.

In fact, if a person suffers from gambling addiction, it makes no difference how much money he wins. He enjoys the very process of gambling, because the release of endorphins and adrenaline into the blood occurs both when he wins and when he loses (a little less). A gambling addict is more likely to lose all the money he has won because he does not care about it; he cares about his emotions.

And as for the help of loved ones, I absolutely agree with you. Any addiction is easier to beat when you have the support of people close to you.

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June 21, 2023, 04:48:30 PM
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1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them? 
if it's a real gambling addict, I kinda doubt if they even thought about that. on the contrary, usually they will not think about anything other than high expectations to benefit from this gambling. maybe what they have in mind is how to get money and do gambling activities again Until they can win when in reality they Keep losing and losing until their money is completely gone, until They sell what they have, And also they have a lot of debt for gambling. we have found lots of negative effects from gambling addiction. That's why we have to be good at controlling ourselves and managing everything related to gambling so that we can avoid this addictive condition.

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But for gambling addicts, I have always wondered does the gratifications comes from gambling or from winning?
One thing I've learnt is that, hope is what drives a gambling addict, and is how they get gratified, gratification does not necessarily come from gambling or from winning, if it comes from gambling, the urge to gamble will disappear after the gambler have gambled, and if it does come from winning, the the gambler will not gamble any more after winning the desired money, but we realized that even after a gambling addict have won money, the drive to keep gambling even increases because now, he or she doesn't have to look far to get money to gamble, atleast, until the entire wining is gambled away..

Gambling addicts live in the deceptive version of hope, gambling addict are always hopeful they would win in the next bet even after losing several bets already, this deceptive hope keeps them gambling until the entire bankroll is empty, then they count that day as their unlucky day, and stay hopeful that tomorrow will be better, and tomorrow, the circle continues from where it stopped the previous day,.

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June 21, 2023, 04:50:57 PM
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1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them? 
Addicts to other habits that do not have an effect on others rarely care about consequences or have accepted to live with the consequences of their actions since it only concerns them, but addiction to gambling is different because it has potentials to affect other people very close to you.

An addicted gambler either caring or not caring for the consequences on others depends on the nature of the individual. For an individual who asides being an addict is considerate, considering the consequences on people close to them can be enough reason to stop gambling or try to ensure it never gets to that. For an addicted gambler who is inconsiderate by nature, they will not care or consider others, they will selfishly do things and expect other people close to them to understand and live with the consequences.

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Most gambling addicts would not think much of this, as their hope of winning has overcome fear. Whatever the end result is losing or winning, they will still do it again, winning will make things very enjoyable for them and losing is a natural thing that will most likely happen more often, when they experience defeat they will think that today. they were unlucky and then they will do it again tomorrow with great confidence to win.
The desire to win has closed their eyes to realize that winning at gambling is not as easy as they think. They can suffer even a big loss, especially if they can't stop. And they also will not see the circumstances around them because they only focus on playing gambling and trying to win.

Gambling is fun and fun things will turn into a hobby for happiness, they will not realize and will not really care how much money they have spent, it is difficult for them to get out of the zone because their mind is always focused on hoping for a win . They will not be able to stop while they have money or valuables to gamble with and this cycle will continue until they realize they have lost everything they had when they needed it most.
Yes, gambling is fun but that doesn't mean we have to play gambling for a long time. But apparently, that doesn't make gambling addicted gamblers realize it because they can't stop that easily, let alone after getting the win they want. Especially if they still see a balance in their account, it makes them want to continue playing gambling and maybe until their money runs out.

One thing is to be an addict; the other is to accept; most gamblers never acknowledge that they are addicts, which worsens the condition in question. Gambling is an addiction; one must know when to gamble and when to stop; it is our decision to either quit when we are not making profits or to continue our quest for big earnings, recording hugh losses. Addicts are the most catastrophic kind of gamblers considering they are willing to do all in their power to place wagers on games, whether for profits or losses, which they accept and repeat the entire process daily.
Addicted gamblers will not want to admit that they are already a gambling addict. They really need to be given understanding by people close to them so they can realize and admit that the problem of gambling addiction has befallen them. Thus, this gambling addict can immediately know how to reduce his gambling time. Gambling addicts will only focus on playing gambling and not pay attention to other things, even if they win. They don't stop immediately after winning but will play a few more rounds.

In fact, if a person suffers from gambling addiction, it makes no difference how much money he wins. He enjoys the very process of gambling, because the release of endorphins and adrenaline into the blood occurs both when he wins and when he loses (a little less). A gambling addict is more likely to lose all the money he has won because he does not care about it; he cares about his emotions.

And as for the help of loved ones, I absolutely agree with you. Any addiction is easier to beat when you have the support of people close to you.
It's true what you say. If someone is already a gambling addict, he will only think about gambling. This can trigger him to become a severe gambling addict who can no longer be saved and may lose all his valuables, including his family. And even so, that wouldn't stop him from giving up gambling but instead he wanted to gamble even more to recover his losses. He may think he must be able to win a lot of money to recover all his losses but this is not the case.

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June 22, 2023, 10:57:40 AM
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Yes. They are even planning already what to do if they lost their capital.

Some may do but am very sure many don't and it will meet them of a sudden when they came to he realization that they have lost the bet or game, some never give any form of attention to the fact that they may loose or even device an alternative means to recover the lost if the worse happened.

The itchy feeling is just too much to resist like the smoker who would have to walk a mile just to buy a pack of cigarettes in the middle of the night.

Yes without thinking of the possible consequences in doing that, such people will later forbids taken such action whenever it's already too late to make amend after which they have been served with the consequences already.
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1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them?  
2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling?  
3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?
Gambling addicts are aware of the consequences of their action. But because they're uncontrolled it's already hard to think of the right thing to do due to their eagerness to keep on playing to sustain their addiction. There's probably part in their minds to stop or feel guilty and have regrets. But because they're used to playing (regardless how and where they got their funds to gamble) they will continue to play to satisfy themselves as an addicted gambler.

An addict who is bothered for the aftermath and wants to overcome his/her addiction will do something to already stop. Taking it slowly is better with the help of people around showing great support through encouragement.
When the mind is controlled by the desire to gamble, a person cannot think clearly because all they want is to gamble. They will think of nothing else except gambling and getting a win. They will not think about losing because they are probably used to it. But when they get wins above $10, they will be happy and continue with it until they can win big money.

A gambling addict will find it difficult to stop if he cannot realize that he is a gambling addict, especially if he cannot think about the defeats he has experienced. This will only make him deeper into gambling without being able to get out. And yes, he needs help from those around him to get out of gambling.

That is the most common mindset for gamblers when they are looking playing because why not? Everybody wanted to win and that's everybody's goal, there's no right or wrong about that. It's just that their mindset lacks something, it's the mindset to know the boundaries where a line shouldn't be crossed at any cost and that is the time to call it a day.

Without this, you will have no certain goal other than making money and sooner or later, you will find yourself chasing for the money and instead of making money, you'll find yourself in a spot where you didn't wanted yourself to be in as that will too late anymore.

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June 22, 2023, 02:04:56 PM
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For me, there are different levels of being addicted to gambling. And one of the reason that you can really say someone is highly addicted to gambling is when the person starts stealing and is willing to do unjust things just to satisfy his gambling desires.
I feel bad for the cleaning person for getting dragged in that kind of situation where she's just doing her job. I may be wrong but I think those people who are willing to steal, don't feel guilty about their wrongdoings unless they got caught. Cause if they don't get caught, they will just continue doing things like that since they think that they can get away with it.
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June 22, 2023, 02:22:32 PM
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It is difficult to grasp or imagined the level of humiliation the innocent cleaner must have faced for an act she knows nothing about.



A question that bothers me concerning this issue is;
1. Do gambling addicts ever take a second thought on what the consequences of their actions can be not just to them but on those close to them? 

They are just like someone going to steal. The main purpose is to go for the act first and they are mostly hopeful for a success.


2. Do they in reality genuinely feel any remorse about  how those affected by their actions might be feeling? 

Once in the act, nothing else matters. So they might feel remorse afterwards or not but that doesn't stop a repetition of the act until they get help.


3. Or, are they a dispassionate victim of their own uncontrollable addictive gambling lifestyle?

An addict is at the mercy of himself. If he does the act and succeed he benefit from it and if he doesn't then he suffers the more from his uncontrollable actions.

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June 22, 2023, 02:28:19 PM
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Gambling addicts never bother about their actions because they mind is short and just want to achieve the profit they have dreamed. But when there's no chance anymore to use money to gamble, they will regret what they have done and they will start to blame themselves. Mostly their will become lunatic, depressed, and antisocial, they might want to commit suicide. But the bad thing is, his family will need to responsible and pay all of his debt.

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