Who is to be blamed, the gambler or the betting agent

[rahmad2nd]

Question is:
What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?

To be honest, I don't know where to start to examine the case you are talking about. however, regarding gambling a betting shop. it seems, there is a high probability that the person you are talking about knows each other with the betting agent. or, there could be other factors that cause this case to occur. maybe, there was negligence committed by the betting shop operator. because, it would be very unlikely if a betting agent gave credit of up to 8k without knowing that the gambler only had a 1k balance. obviously, this is outside the procedures that apply wherever the casino is. except, there is a conspiracy that the gambler and the betting shop know each other.

By the way, I'm not sure what I'm talking about, because I don't really understand the essence of this matter and what gambling the gambler is actually doing. however, I'm trying to simplify the case related to 1k credit to 8k. from here, we can already see that there is an irregularity going on. so my assumptions as I said in this post.

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[Fortify]

A situation occurred today in my locality,  I have some guys working for me today and suddenly I hard them battling with an issues and when I get close to them to know what exactly the problem is,  and I asked the guy who look strange to me since I am meeting him for the first time and not a worker on the site what his business and why he is distracting the workers from work.

Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said,  that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual,  that at first the guy came with ₦‎1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer,  the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦‎8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.

So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement,  I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?

Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops,  note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site,  so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.

Question is:

What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?

That's a very bizarre scenario and I would tell the agent that it is not appropriate to harass staff in a workplace environment. In my country that would be illegal and result in the person being potentially arrested for such harassment. Your worker clearly had problems however and I would assess whether they are suitable for the job. If people are this bad at managing their finances, have such a lack of self control then who knows what other risks they might be willing to take in the workplace - theft? Taking shortcuts with safety? However the gambling agent shows very poor form in deciding to chase a debt in this way and it should not be allowed.

[fullhdpixel]

If I don't misunderstand the agent/casino and the bettors, the basic problem is credit from the agent to the user, because he only has 1k balance, because of the kindness of the agent, because he is a regular customer, of course the agent trusts 8k capital to bet, hoping that the user can win more than 8k, but damn he loses it all.

For that, if asked who was at fault, for me of course the user was wrong, he was greedy and didn't consider the risk of loss, he didn't think about taking 8k funds with what he paid for it, profit if you win and if you lose the bet as it has happened, of course the risk must be borne by the user to pay the credit funds.

The agent is not wrong, because he trusts the user as a regular customer, of course he gives the credit, it's still fortunate that the agent employed the user for several days to pay off the credit, that person worked without a salary, because the debt had been cut off.

From what I understand, the agent didn't gave 8k at one go but he gave small amounts first. The agent didn't hope for the bettor to win but what he only want is for the customer to pay on the designated dates. I don't think the gambler don't consider the risk of losing because he just lost earlier but indeed he was greedy. At that time, he is only thinking for a revenge but unfortunately, it didn't end up well.

The agent is only doing a business here or a kind of side job by letting the customers take a loan and the bettor in the story is only just a victim. None of them can be blamed but it would be inappropriate if the gambler will ran away for his obligations.

[Josefjix]

From what I understand, the agent didn't gave 8k at one go but he gave small amounts first. The agent didn't hope for the bettor to win but what he only want is for the customer to pay on the designated dates. I don't think the gambler don't consider the risk of losing because he just lost earlier but indeed he was greedy. At that time, he is only thinking for a revenge but unfortunately, it didn't end up well.

The agent is only doing a business here or a kind of side job by letting the customers take a loan and the bettor in the story is only just a victim. None of them can be blamed but it would be inappropriate if the gambler will ran away for his obligations.

The gambler priority was only to avenge his losses earlier, afterall he recorded gigantic losses, in my opinion the betting agent has no idea although he made faults because he knows the risks involved in gambling and still supports someone to gamble after witnessing the gambler losing steadily. They're both at fault, before gambling, atleast know the amount of losses you can take in and never to be too desperate to bet on games, do take time and mapped our good strategy, and if it doesn't go as plan, leave it, tomorrow is another opportunity to try again.

[Wiwo]

The gambler priority was only to avenge his losses earlier, afterall he recorded gigantic losses, in my opinion the betting agent has no idea although he made faults because he knows the risks involved in gambling and still supports someone to gamble after witnessing the gambler losing steadily. They're both at fault, before gambling, atleast know the amount of losses you can take in and never to be too desperate to bet on games, do take time and mapped our good strategy, and if it doesn't go as plan, leave it, tomorrow is another opportunity to try again.

The fact that the betting agent have fucked up by allowing the gamblers to bet and play games on credit make it look as if the agent already have a forhand understanding with the gambler before that incidence for him to have allow the gambler to acumulate such debts trying to cash up with his loses which landed him into a bigger debt.

So in a clear term of the are at fault aince one can not blame one and leaving out the other since it takes two to commit such crrime, but only the business owner will determine what becomes the ountcome6of both of them.since the agent already know that it will be hard for him to recover from such mistake of allowing the player to gamble on credit which is against the business policy of not credit no play or bets.

[TimeTeller]

The gambler priority was only to avenge his losses earlier, afterall he recorded gigantic losses, in my opinion the betting agent has no idea although he made faults because he knows the risks involved in gambling and still supports someone to gamble after witnessing the gambler losing steadily. They're both at fault, before gambling, atleast know the amount of losses you can take in and never to be too desperate to bet on games, do take time and mapped our good strategy, and if it doesn't go as plan, leave it, tomorrow is another opportunity to try again.

The fact that the betting agent have fucked up by allowing the gamblers to bet and play games on credit make it look as if the agent already have a forhand understanding with the gambler before that incidence for him to have allow the gambler to acumulate such debts trying to cash up with his loses which landed him into a bigger debt.

So in a clear term of the are at fault aince one can not blame one and leaving out the other since it takes two to commit such crrime, but only the business owner will determine what becomes the ountcome6of both of them.since the agent already know that it will be hard for him to recover from such mistake of allowing the player to gamble on credit which is against the business policy of not credit no play or bets.

Indeed! Both are responsible to what happened as this won't happen if either one of them didn't agree to one another.
As the saying goes, "it takes two to tango." So yes, both should be held responsible about this situation.
Since the money can be paid in few days only, it is possible to recover such amount.
However, that is, if the gambler decided to come back and pay for his debts. It is not much, so it depends on the gambler here.
Now, this is a very good lesson for the betting agent. Maybe, he is also hoping that the gambler will win and pay him as soon as gets the winning.
Unfortunately, it is gambling, so losing is more likely to happen. This will be a very good lesson to both individuals here.

[Rengga Jati]

I think this has become a risk for gamblers when they will carry out gambling activities. In this case, they already know that gambling is always at risk, not only because gambling is something that is uncertain, but also because there are indeed most platforms that want to get more profit from their users, and they can use many things to make it happen. It's impossible if the agent wants to lose. So yes, it's a risk. therefore, if not ready to lose money is very suitable then it's better to stay away from gambling.

[Mahanton]

The gambler priority was only to avenge his losses earlier, afterall he recorded gigantic losses, in my opinion the betting agent has no idea although he made faults because he knows the risks involved in gambling and still supports someone to gamble after witnessing the gambler losing steadily. They're both at fault, before gambling, atleast know the amount of losses you can take in and never to be too desperate to bet on games, do take time and mapped our good strategy, and if it doesn't go as plan, leave it, tomorrow is another opportunity to try again.

The fact that the betting agent have fucked up by allowing the gamblers to bet and play games on credit make it look as if the agent already have a forhand understanding with the gambler before that incidence for him to have allow the gambler to acumulate such debts trying to cash up with his loses which landed him into a bigger debt.

So in a clear term of the are at fault aince one can not blame one and leaving out the other since it takes two to commit such crrime, but only the business owner will determine what becomes the ountcome6of both of them.since the agent already know that it will be hard for him to recover from such mistake of allowing the player to gamble on credit which is against the business policy of not credit no play or bets.

Indeed! Both are responsible to what happened as this won't happen if either one of them didn't agree to one another.
As the saying goes, "it takes two to tango." So yes, both should be held responsible about this situation.
Since the money can be paid in few days only, it is possible to recover such amount.
However, that is, if the gambler decided to come back and pay for his debts. It is not much, so it depends on the gambler here.
Now, this is a very good lesson for the betting agent. Maybe, he is also hoping that the gambler will win and pay him as soon as gets the winning.
Unfortunately, it is gambling, so losing is more likely to happen. This will be a very good lesson to both individuals here.

You are definitely right on this one on which this two person should really be held accountable on the things that do happen because the did really make out that kind of agreement.Good thing that had made out by
that betting agent is that he didnt really grant up huge amount of credit on a certain gambler on which he had just simply assure that he would be able to pay on the time that he would mess up even more. We know that there's no such thing about giving out some opportunity for the house to give credit into a certain gambler unless if this is a VIP perks then it would be understandable but if not then it would be a good bonus or
feature to have but in todays business then it would be impossible for casino to give out such chance for these gamblers knowing that they would likely to lose all the way and all the time.
If they would really be giving those credits then they are really putting themselves on possible risks on not being getting paid in time because if a certain gambler losses then recovery would really be still questionable.

[Wiwo]

I think this has become a risk for gamblers when they will carry out gambling activities. In this case, they already know that gambling is always at risk, not only because gambling is something that is uncertain, but also because there are indeed most platforms that want to get more profit from their users, and they can use many things to make it happen. It's impossible if the agent wants to lose. So yes, it's a risk. therefore, if not ready to lose money is very suitable then it's better to stay away from gambling.

Some gamblers are so confident that their next game is going to win and because of such confidence, their go on to the point of staking above rheir capacity and even limit, just like in this case, what i can see here is that, most times this case is sign of early gambling addictions.

Because i dont see the reason why someone while losing still will continue to oush further to the point of gambling on credits, we're as he was not surpose to even exust his entire balnce talk more of playing on credits.

[len01]

Some gamblers are so confident that their next game is going to win and because of such confidence, their go on to the point of staking above rheir capacity and even limit, just like in this case, what i can see here is that, most times this case is sign of early gambling addictions.

Because i dont see the reason why someone while losing still will continue to oush further to the point of gambling on credits, we're as he was not surpose to even exust his entire balnce talk more of playing on credits.

in gambling confidence is necessary but if self-confidence is too high and too aggressive, that is a big mistake. with a nature like this, gamblers are always driven by curiosity when defeat occurs and it's strange that people like this think about bad things, such as when they lose in a row, they think with high confidence that this loss will make a big win. unknowingly that day was an unlucky day for him but they were always stubborn with their beliefs causing great losses by thinking of something big.

the reason I said before is that gamblers who have hopes or think about something big from gambling will certainly always have a way to continue betting and when the budget runs out gambling agents offer credit and of course gamblers will be happy to receive credit and still hope to get big win to pay off it all but end up losing again.

[slapper]

Some gamblers are so confident that their next game is going to win and because of such confidence, their go on to the point of staking above rheir capacity and even limit, just like in this case, what i can see here is that, most times this case is sign of early gambling addictions.

Because i dont see the reason why someone while losing still will continue to oush further to the point of gambling on credits, we're as he was not surpose to even exust his entire balnce talk more of playing on credits.

in gambling confidence is necessary but if self-confidence is too high and too aggressive, that is a big mistake. with a nature like this, gamblers are always driven by curiosity when defeat occurs and it's strange that people like this think about bad things, such as when they lose in a row, they think with high confidence that this loss will make a big win. unknowingly that day was an unlucky day for him but they were always stubborn with their beliefs causing great losses by thinking of something big.

the reason I said before is that gamblers who have hopes or think about something big from gambling will certainly always have a way to continue betting and when the budget runs out gambling agents offer credit and of course gamblers will be happy to receive credit and still hope to get big win to pay off it all but end up losing again.

Certainly, heightened self-belief, coupled with unchecked gambling, can set a course for disaster. This overconfidence, a term in cognitive psychology, often conceals the intrinsic unpredictability of gambling results. Paradoxically, this same confidence can contribute to their defeat.

Moreover, a succession of losses, mistakenly viewed as a sign of impending victory, is often named the 'Gambler's Fallacy.' This misconception, assuming past defeats can shape future outcomes, reflects twisted logic.

Your observation of gamblers using credits to sustain betting underscores the bleak reality of gambling addiction. It reflects a perpetual cycle fueled by false hope and a ceaseless chase for a significant win, underlining the urgent need for regulatory intervention.

[Zanab247]

The Betting agent is to be blame for allow the gambler to play on credit, which is a big risk because if the gambler decide not to come to that shop to bet ,the betting agent will be the one to loose. But I don't know how some gamblers like to gamble on credit in some gambling center, hoping that the last  bet will help them to recover the amount of money he has gamble than to loose again because such gamblers don't know their limit in gambling. I don't borrow money on gambling center because I always budget amount of money I will spend on gambling in a day, and once the money finish without a good results, I will not gamble through out that day than to continue the next day till I recover the money back.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The Betting agent is to be blame for allow the gambler to play on credit, which is a big risk because if the gambler decide not to come to that shop to bet ,the betting agent will be the one to loose. But I don't know how some gamblers like to gamble on credit in some gambling center, hoping that the last  bet will help them to recover the amount of money he has gamble than to loose again because such gamblers don't know their limit in gambling. I don't borrow money on gambling center because I always budget amount of money I will spend on gambling in a day, and once the money finish without a good results, I will not gamble through out that day than to continue the next day till I recover the money back.

I very much agree with you on the points you made, it is the same thing I've stood up for on my previous comments, game provider made a very big mistake by allowing the gambler to carry out gambling without money,, and if such a case was in the court, I did say that the game provider first and foremost should be punished severely for allowing gambling on credit.

When you offer an already addicted gambler the opportunity to keep gambling without money, they are Everly ready to grab such opportunity with both hands, and that can even drive them into an addiction that is way worster than the current one.

[molsewid]

The Betting agent is to be blame for allow the gambler to play on credit, which is a big risk because if the gambler decide not to come to that shop to bet ,the betting agent will be the one to loose. But I don't know how some gamblers like to gamble on credit in some gambling center, hoping that the last  bet will help them to recover the amount of money he has gamble than to loose again because such gamblers don't know their limit in gambling. I don't borrow money on gambling center because I always budget amount of money I will spend on gambling in a day, and once the money finish without a good results, I will not gamble through out that day than to continue the next day till I recover the money back.

It is good that you have a self control , it is so sad that some gamblers who used the money they get and end up losing too much, there's no other thing that they can do but to sell their belongings. I think both can be blamed but mostly it will be the betting agent since he is the one who let that thing happen and let that person believe in him.

[Wiwo]

The Betting agent is to be blame for allow the gambler to play on credit, which is a big risk because if the gambler decide not to come to that shop to bet ,the betting agent will be the one to loose. But I don't know how some gamblers like to gamble on credit in some gambling center, hoping that the last  bet will help them to recover the amount of money he has gamble than to loose again because such gamblers don't know their limit in gambling. I don't borrow money on gambling center because I always budget amount of money I will spend on gambling in a day, and once the money finish without a good results, I will not gamble through out that day than to continue the next day till I recover the money back.

It is good that you have a self control , it is so sad that some gamblers who used the money they get and end up losing too much, there's no other thing that they can do but to sell their belongings. I think both can be blamed but mostly it will be the betting agent since he is the one who let that thing happen and let that person believe in him.

The problem is that, not many who think that they have self control can actully enforced that into their gambling events m, because i have experience a number of cases of addictions where the one addicted will say he have overcome his addictions or he moved on but will slide back in no time.

Same with those that claims to have limits i gambling but once they start playing, they tend to go overboard and ignore all the red lines and limits set by them.

This must have been the case for gamblers who run into multiple debts due to a lack of self-restraining.

[Fatunad]

The Betting agent is to be blame for allow the gambler to play on credit, which is a big risk because if the gambler decide not to come to that shop to bet ,the betting agent will be the one to loose. But I don't know how some gamblers like to gamble on credit in some gambling center, hoping that the last  bet will help them to recover the amount of money he has gamble than to loose again because such gamblers don't know their limit in gambling. I don't borrow money on gambling center because I always budget amount of money I will spend on gambling in a day, and once the money finish without a good results, I will not gamble through out that day than to continue the next day till I recover the money back.

It is good that you have a self control , it is so sad that some gamblers who used the money they get and end up losing too much, there's no other thing that they can do but to sell their belongings. I think both can be blamed but mostly it will be the betting agent since he is the one who let that thing happen and let that person believe in him.

Betting agent wouldn't really be making up those steps or actions if theres no approval which is from the owner of the said casino or whatever platform he's been working. Unless if he's the owner then you do have all
the rights and control on who would really be given those kind of benefits or features about giving some credit on a certain gambler because these agents wont really be just giving out those kind of actions if they werent been approved on the first place and this is why there's no problem on betting agent on this one but its just that right that they would really be trying out to make that gambler pay on what he had used.
You have spent something that you dont own which it is normal that you would really be needing to pay for it.

[Webetcoins]

The Betting agent is to be blame for allow the gambler to play on credit, which is a big risk because if the gambler decide not to come to that shop to bet ,the betting agent will be the one to loose. But I don't know how some gamblers like to gamble on credit in some gambling center, hoping that the last  bet will help them to recover the amount of money he has gamble than to loose again because such gamblers don't know their limit in gambling. I don't borrow money on gambling center because I always budget amount of money I will spend on gambling in a day, and once the money finish without a good results, I will not gamble through out that day than to continue the next day till I recover the money back.

Someone who doesn't have self-control or discipline will do something like that, those who don't have more money when they have lost everything might stop but those who get the opportunity to gamble more just like in this case where the agent let the gambler gamble with credits, in such situations, someone with no self-control can obviously not be able to stop until they lose also the credits they were given because they are probably addicted to gambling.

The gambler must be a regular customer of the agent and that is probably the reason why he allowed him to gamble with credits, but still, even if a gambler is a regular customer, they shouldn't allow to gamble with credits without taking anything from them as collateral to make sure that they pay the money back on time.

[darkangel11]

What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?

The way I see it, the casino owner got the guy indebted to him and it's not like the debt is going to disappear anytime soon. It will continue to exist and weigh upon the gambler. If the gambler lives and works nearby he can be forced to pay up either in cash or in favors. He may be asked to work for free, or give up stuff that he owns, like a motorcycle or a car... The casino owner doesn't lose here, it's like he just got a slave for nothing. He also can't be blamed because he offered a credit and the gambler took it so it was a deal between them.

[Wiwo]

Getting the gamblers into debt is not something a legit betting agent would go.
This guy(the betting agent) is most likely a gangster/mobster. I know that the gangsters, who a operate a gambling business always want to hook more gamblers by giving them credit and making them their "slaves". The combination of a "loan shark" service and a gambling business is pretty dangerous for the gamblers and borrowing money from such gangsters might totally ruin their lives.

You have a very good point there,  because, from the action of the gambling agent, he seems to be comfortable and used to the incident because even though I try to Enlightened him of the danger of his action and how he risk losing the money or paying from his salary he was acting as if it not possible and that brought me to the conclusion that his mode of operations.

And just like you rightly said,  his aims may be to enslave the gambler truly and if care is not taken,  this is not the first time they are having such an agreement to allow the player to gamble on credit.

[Pierre 2]

I don't know how your local laws work but aren't they supposed to making some sort of insurance that will guarantee amount of money will be paid by insurance company and later claimed from customer through legal measures? If you take a loan from a bank you get option with or without insurance. I think it must be necessary in casinos to avoid such situations. I also think its very very weird that gambling companies let customers take a loan directly from themselves. Its very risky in my opinion.