Who is to be blamed, the gambler or the betting agent

[virasog]

online casinos will never provide loan facilities to their customers because that will be very risky because so many customers come from countries that prohibit gambling, so even if they provide credit card guarantees or KYC it is very risky for online casinos.

Even though the online casino has the KYC of the users, yet it is very easy for scammers to create an account, do the KYC, and apply for a loan.
Some can say that casinos can safeguard the return of the loans by not allowing the withdrawal until the loan is cleared. How about anyone getting the loan, losing all in the gambling, and quitting the site forever without returning the loan?

it's different from land-based casinos, in that the country or city certainly allows the gambling business, so it's only natural that land-based casinos provide loans to their customers. and I'm not sure if gamblers would avoid the casino if offered a betting loan because we know that not all gamblers are sane minds but many gamblers will accept such an offer.

In physical casinos, it is easier to recover the loans, but it is worth it for the gambling casino to give the loan service and face all these hassles from the gamblers not returning or delaying the return of loans, as they will usually lose all the loan money in the gambling.

[seleme]

online casinos will never provide loan facilities to their customers because that will be very risky because so many customers come from countries that prohibit gambling, so even if they provide credit card guarantees or KYC it is very risky for online casinos.

Even though the online casino has the KYC of the users, yet it is very easy for scammers to create an account, do the KYC, and apply for a loan.
Some can say that casinos can safeguard the return of the loans by not allowing the withdrawal until the loan is cleared. How about anyone getting the loan, losing all in the gambling, and quitting the site forever without returning the loan?

it's different from land-based casinos, in that the country or city certainly allows the gambling business, so it's only natural that land-based casinos provide loans to their customers. and I'm not sure if gamblers would avoid the casino if offered a betting loan because we know that not all gamblers are sane minds but many gamblers will accept such an offer.

In physical casinos, it is easier to recover the loans, but it is worth it for the gambling casino to give the loan service and face all these hassles from the gamblers not returning or delaying the return of loans, as they will usually lose all the loan money in the gambling.

It is a debatable situation, why the casino agent has such an opportunity to give loans to gamblers on a physical gambling place.
If he loans, it means management and awareness of gambling problems are not the case there.
Quitting has never been easy, so it is understandable why the "victim" will continue to play even if someone pays his loan back, IMHO.

[n0ne]

online casinos will never provide loan facilities to their customers because that will be very risky because so many customers come from countries that prohibit gambling, so even if they provide credit card guarantees or KYC it is very risky for online casinos.

Even though the online casino has the KYC of the users, yet it is very easy for scammers to create an account, do the KYC, and apply for a loan.
Some can say that casinos can safeguard the return of the loans by not allowing the withdrawal until the loan is cleared. How about anyone getting the loan, losing all in the gambling, and quitting the site forever without returning the loan?

it's different from land-based casinos, in that the country or city certainly allows the gambling business, so it's only natural that land-based casinos provide loans to their customers. and I'm not sure if gamblers would avoid the casino if offered a betting loan because we know that not all gamblers are sane minds but many gamblers will accept such an offer.

In physical casinos, it is easier to recover the loans, but it is worth it for the gambling casino to give the loan service and face all these hassles from the gamblers not returning or delaying the return of loans, as they will usually lose all the loan money in the gambling.

It is a debatable situation, why the casino agent has such an opportunity to give loans to gamblers on a physical gambling place.
If he loans, it means management and awareness of gambling problems are not the case there.
Quitting has never been easy, so it is understandable why the "victim" will continue to play even if someone pays his loan back, IMHO.

Agreed, quitting is not an easy thing. Whether it is gambling or something else. The owner shouldn't have given money, just because he gave money the victim continued spending. If not, he could've left with what he had lost from his pocket. The trouble maker is the casino owner who knows well about the reality of gambling that it is not easy to recover the losses.

[LUCKMCFLY]

online casinos will never provide loan facilities to their customers because that will be very risky because so many customers come from countries that prohibit gambling, so even if they provide credit card guarantees or KYC it is very risky for online casinos.

Even though the online casino has the KYC of the users, yet it is very easy for scammers to create an account, do the KYC, and apply for a loan.
Some can say that casinos can safeguard the return of the loans by not allowing the withdrawal until the loan is cleared. How about anyone getting the loan, losing all in the gambling, and quitting the site forever without returning the loan?

it's different from land-based casinos, in that the country or city certainly allows the gambling business, so it's only natural that land-based casinos provide loans to their customers. and I'm not sure if gamblers would avoid the casino if offered a betting loan because we know that not all gamblers are sane minds but many gamblers will accept such an offer.

In physical casinos, it is easier to recover the loans, but it is worth it for the gambling casino to give the loan service and face all these hassles from the gamblers not returning or delaying the return of loans, as they will usually lose all the loan money in the gambling.

It is a debatable situation, why the casino agent has such an opportunity to give loans to gamblers on a physical gambling place.
If he loans, it means management and awareness of gambling problems are not the case there.
Quitting has never been easy, so it is understandable why the "victim" will continue to play even if someone pays his loan back, IMHO.

Agreed, quitting is not an easy thing. Whether it is gambling or something else. The owner shouldn't have given money, just because he gave money the victim continued spending. If not, he could've left with what he had lost from his pocket. The trouble maker is the casino owner who knows well about the reality of gambling that it is not easy to recover the losses.

Well, where I have entered there is no option of casinos that can give loans to their clients, even though they are the most recognized clients, besides, that thing about loans seems to me to be something bad for clients, very good business for casinos, but bad for people, so in that sense, i would say that an online casino should not make or risk with loans, the loan part for a casino player is also not good, because his life starts to be full of additional Problems if he gets the loan and then loses everything Sometimes it's better to say no before the world collapses on you.

In these cases, I don't know if any type of VIP client can access a benefit like this, I know that some casinos give credit to players, but of course they are prominent players who always go to the casinos to leave a good slice of their money, and this is They have very well studied, at least the traditional casinos that I know do, where I live there is only 1 traditional casino, but it is something that many people frequent, especially on weekends, I hope that another casino opens that is like a Bingo, but it has everything from slot machines to the most luxurious and beautiful roulette wheels, everything for entertainment, this is how I have seen some people get into debt, when a casino gives credit to a customer, it is like giving money, only in a different way. directly, but on occasions I have seen that the ones who give credit the most are older people, older adults who sit almost all day and night giving it, I really admire them a lot.

[ethereumhunter]

Agreed, quitting is not an easy thing. Whether it is gambling or something else. The owner shouldn't have given money, just because he gave money the victim continued spending. If not, he could've left with what he had lost from his pocket. The trouble maker is the casino owner who knows well about the reality of gambling that it is not easy to recover the losses.

Even if quitting is difficult, they should still try. It would be better for them than taking a big risk that they couldn't take. Both of them have made a mistake and had a problem, which should be resolved amicably. Between the person who borrowed and the person who lent the money, they can discuss how the borrower can return the money. And the lender should be able to provide enough time for the borrower to return the money. The person who borrowed it could return the money by returning it little by little.

[Westinhome]

Agreed, quitting is not an easy thing. Whether it is gambling or something else. The owner shouldn't have given money, just because he gave money the victim continued spending. If not, he could've left with what he had lost from his pocket. The trouble maker is the casino owner who knows well about the reality of gambling that it is not easy to recover the losses.

The person after start to gamble,it’s very hard to quit from gambling.They people says when the person start gambling,they get addicted with the first game.Their was the strategy 90 percentage of the gamblers get addicted to gambling and only ten percentage of people had the ability to get away from the gambling addiction.Actually thirty percentage of the gamblers are girl in this 21st century,they use the fake Kyc to do gambling.

It doesn’t mean,gambling only belong to the man.Woman also had the right to get participation.My friend and his girlfriend use to gamble for the full time.They enjoy every weekend with the profits from the gambling.My friend had build some strategy for the dice aand with his luck the strategy also working.

[leonair]

Agreed, quitting is not an easy thing. Whether it is gambling or something else. The owner shouldn't have given money, just because he gave money the victim continued spending. If not, he could've left with what he had lost from his pocket. The trouble maker is the casino owner who knows well about the reality of gambling that it is not easy to recover the losses.

Even if quitting is difficult, they should still try. It would be better for them than taking a big risk that they couldn't take. Both of them have made a mistake and had a problem, which should be resolved amicably. Between the person who borrowed and the person who lent the money, they can discuss how the borrower can return the money. And the lender should be able to provide enough time for the borrower to return the money. The person who borrowed it could return the money by returning it little by little.

Not everyone who gambled with the loan is losing, but many are also benefiting a lot.  For those who are profiting, they don't have to use any of their own money, but only keep the profit in their own pocket by gambling.  But on the other hand those who gamble with loans and lose are in deep danger. Gambling is very addictive and because of it is a lot of fun everyone gets addicted to it very quickly. Because of this, one thing everyone should keep in mind is whether he can control himself from gambling

[LUCKMCFLY]

When we enter a casino, whether it is a traditional casino, we are going to listen to many voices, advice and some express their thoughts letting us know what they say, but we as players are the owners of our own money, we are the ones who take risks, we are the that we put our face on certain occasions, and we have at our disposal everything that we must do, we have to listen to whoever, we have to pay attention to the things that others say and it is our responsibility. things that we should always do, when it comes to money and risk it, I think we should always be the protagonists.

In these casinos there will always be agents, those who are in charge of distributing chips or anything else, this type of person can give us advice or something, it is up to us if we follow them or not, when they talk about casino agents we can imagine many things, there are many, what sion in charge of everything in the casino, we as players must have decision-making power, we cannot do other things but stick to our own decisions, it is not the fault of others if we want to follow their advice or something, because the money is ours, it doesn't belong to anyone else, if we win it, it's us who win, not the others, if we lose, it's us, not the others.

[Quidat]

Agreed, quitting is not an easy thing. Whether it is gambling or something else. The owner shouldn't have given money, just because he gave money the victim continued spending. If not, he could've left with what he had lost from his pocket. The trouble maker is the casino owner who knows well about the reality of gambling that it is not easy to recover the losses.

Even if quitting is difficult, they should still try. It would be better for them than taking a big risk that they couldn't take. Both of them have made a mistake and had a problem, which should be resolved amicably. Between the person who borrowed and the person who lent the money, they can discuss how the borrower can return the money. And the lender should be able to provide enough time for the borrower to return the money. The person who borrowed it could return the money by returning it little by little.

Not everyone who gambled with the loan is losing, but many are also benefiting a lot.  For those who are profiting, they don't have to use any of their own money, but only keep the profit in their own pocket by gambling.  But on the other hand those who gamble with loans and lose are in deep danger. Gambling is very addictive and because of it is a lot of fun everyone gets addicted to it very quickly. Because of this, one thing everyone should keep in mind is whether he can control himself from gambling

Not lots but only a few on which we know that there are ones who do able to make out and able to pay on what they owe because they had just been luckily be able to make wins out of those loaned money or been borrowing out but this should not really be enough on making yourself that got convinced for you to make such similar step just because you've seen someone who had been doing it.
We know that gambling out loaned or borrowed money which isnt yours is really that risky because on the time that you would lost it all then you would really be needing to repay which is a normal thing. What if you would be having that financial problem on which you cant be able to repay those? For sure it would really be an another huge problem that you would take.

Basing on the situation above stated then its an agreement in between the gambler and the agent and good thing that agent did make out some credits which is really that enough
for a certain gambler would be able to pay out knowing that he had some work and the amount isnt really that huge on which means that in no time or in just few days or weeks
he would be able to settle out such amount which i could say that it isnt really just that much big problem.

[AmoreJaz]

When we enter a casino, whether it is a traditional casino, we are going to listen to many voices, advice and some express their thoughts letting us know what they say, but we as players are the owners of our own money, we are the ones who take risks, we are the that we put our face on certain occasions, and we have at our disposal everything that we must do, we have to listen to whoever, we have to pay attention to the things that others say and it is our responsibility. things that we should always do, when it comes to money and risk it, I think we should always be the protagonists.

In these casinos there will always be agents, those who are in charge of distributing chips or anything else, this type of person can give us advice or something, it is up to us if we follow them or not, when they talk about casino agents we can imagine many things, there are many, what sion in charge of everything in the casino, we as players must have decision-making power, we cannot do other things but stick to our own decisions, it is not the fault of others if we want to follow their advice or something, because the money is ours, it doesn't belong to anyone else, if we win it, it's us who win, not the others, if we lose, it's us, not the others.

however, the problem stated on the OP's case is that the gambler played using credits because the betting agent allowed him to. maybe, he was thinking that the player will win at one point so he can recover what is owed. but unfortunately, he lost it all and ended up owing about ₦‎8,000 as mentioned.
on this case, the agent has also the responsibility on this situation as he allowed him to play even if he has no more money of his own. but the gambler of course has the responsibility to pay for his debts. lesson learned for both sides, agent should not let the gamblers play on credits if he doesn't want to be accountable about the outcome. whereas, the gambler should just stick

[ethereumhunter]

Not everyone who gambled with the loan is losing, but many are also benefiting a lot.  For those who are profiting, they don't have to use any of their own money, but only keep the profit in their own pocket by gambling.  But on the other hand those who gamble with loans and lose are in deep danger. Gambling is very addictive and because of it is a lot of fun everyone gets addicted to it very quickly. Because of this, one thing everyone should keep in mind is whether he can control himself from gambling

Yes, not all of them have indeed lost, but they have lost with the large number of people who borrowed money to gamble. This makes us recommend not using borrowed money to gamble. We will find it difficult to pay off loan money because we don't have money. But if they win at gambling by borrowing the money, they can repay the loan money. That's why we really have to be able to control ourselves when playing gambling so that we don't experience big losses. When we borrow money from a betting agent, we will be chased by people from the betting agency until we return all the loan money.

[darewaller]

Even if quitting is difficult, they should still try. It would be better for them than taking a big risk that they couldn't take. Both of them have made a mistake and had a problem, which should be resolved amicably. Between the person who borrowed and the person who lent the money, they can discuss how the borrower can return the money. And the lender should be able to provide enough time for the borrower to return the money. The person who borrowed it could return the money by returning it little by little.

Not everyone who gambled with the loan is losing, but many are also benefiting a lot.  For those who are profiting, they don't have to use any of their own money, but only keep the profit in their own pocket by gambling.  But on the other hand those who gamble with loans and lose are in deep danger. Gambling is very addictive and because of it is a lot of fun everyone gets addicted to it very quickly. Because of this, one thing everyone should keep in mind is whether he can control himself from gambling

They are lucky but they should pay their loans immediately and then try to fix their selves this time, so that they won't lose all the money that they currently have and they won't end up taking another loan because they may not get lucky next time. The good thing about winning is like you said it allows us to play for free but gambling can literally be played for free though the level of happiness that we might get are reduced by some percent.

There might be other things which have a similar effect with gambling. If we know that we have a hard time controlling our selves on them then much better to not engage in gambling at all. As they say, prevention is better than cure.

[Fortify]

A situation occurred today in my locality,  I have some guys working for me today and suddenly I hard them battling with an issues and when I get close to them to know what exactly the problem is,  and I asked the guy who look strange to me since I am meeting him for the first time and not a worker on the site what his business and why he is distracting the workers from work.

Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said,  that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual,  that at first the guy came with ₦‎1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer,  the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦‎8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.

So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement,  I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?

Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops,  note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site,  so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.

Question is:

What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?

There is a very fine line to walk, but gambling institutions should not be in the business of giving out lines of credit. They should only allow you to play with funds from elsewhere, otherwise it creates a huge conflict of interest and it can drive customers into terrible debt more easily. In reality, the casino in your scenario did not lose anything except the virtual credit that they had extended to the gambler, who had then lost it and was expected to replace it by depositing real cash. It is actually rather shameful and would be unlikely to get any support in the courts of a country where gambling was regulated at the basic level. For example in places like Europe they do not allow you to fund gambling deposits via credit card which is a comparable situation.

[Gozie51]

As they say, prevention is better than cure.

This is not for gambling. For gambling, usually what you are seeing is the winning. Taking of risk is what gambling is, if you are not a risk taker then maybe gambling is not for you and maybe that is the sense that prevention can be apt but as a gambling then you are only heading for the winning. Most gamblers don't see limitation to what they want to bet until they are finished with it and the result is out to their favour or not. There are no prevention if you are a gambler, it is only those who don't gamble will run away after losing.

[QueenVera]

A situation occurred today in my locality,  I have some guys working for me today and suddenly I hard them battling with an issues and when I get close to them to know what exactly the problem is,  and I asked the guy who look strange to me since I am meeting him for the first time and not a worker on the site what his business and why he is distracting the workers from work.

Then the guy narrated his case to be and he said,  that one of the workers came to his betting shop the yesterday to play some visual,  that at first the guy came with ₦‎1,000 in my local currency to make the bets and along the line, he existed the balance but as a regular customer,  the agent decided to allow him at further on credits and in all he accumulated a total debt of ₦‎8,000 because he lost all the bets and since that yesterday he has been on the run from the gambling agent until he traced him to the site today.

So when I wanted to judge the case and possible settlement,  I query the casino agent how can you allow a customer to gamble on credit to the tune of 8k Knowing fully well that the gambler only has a 1k balance which already existed?

Also what is the probability that the gambler will ever return after owning such debt in the betting shops,  note the gambler's daily pay is 2k as a helper on the site,  so he has to work for 4 days to be able to meet that debt that is if he doesn't make any other expenses.

Question is:

What is the possibility of the betting agent getting his money soon/considering the gambler's low-income earnings?

  They're both a fault but I'll blame the betting agent mostly for going against his employers policy and doing something that would make him lose his job, there's a saying that there's no friend in business, talk more of joking with a business that's not yours,  it's very wrong or would I say that's so foolish to him and he's lucky his employer was not aware of such a careless act, what I expected from the betting agent is for him to request for a collateral like depositing his valuable item before betting for free, but then he didn't do that neither did he ask for the address or details of the gambler nor ask for his field of occupation to know if he'll be capable of paying his debt, it's very wrong and his actions would had cost him his job.
 The best thing I think they should do is to invlove higher authorities that's would make him sign an agreement concerning when he'll be able to clear his debt or bargain with the site manager to make sure he not the 2k daily pay he receives until the debt is cleared

[maydna]

As they say, prevention is better than cure.

This is not for gambling. For gambling, usually what you are seeing is the winning. Taking of risk is what gambling is, if you are not a risk taker then maybe gambling is not for you and maybe that is the sense that prevention can be apt but as a gambling then you are only heading for the winning. Most gamblers don't see limitation to what they want to bet until they are finished with it and the result is out to their favour or not. There are no prevention if you are a gambler, it is only those who don't gamble will run away after losing.

What @Gozie51 said is true because when someone gambles, he can afford to risk losing, and actually, he already knows that his chances of winning might not be too great. But because he took that risk, he still gambled, and gamblers just want to bet so they don't see the rest. So they think what will happen next is something they can think about later after gambling. And if they don't dare to take the risk of losing, they should stop gambling and relax at home, enjoying the atmosphere. Thus, they don't have to think about the risks of gambling or other things.

[Gozie51]

As they say, prevention is better than cure.

This is not for gambling. For gambling, usually what you are seeing is the winning. Taking of risk is what gambling is, if you are not a risk taker then maybe gambling is not for you and maybe that is the sense that prevention can be apt but as a gambling then you are only heading for the winning. Most gamblers don't see limitation to what they want to bet until they are finished with it and the result is out to their favour or not. There are no prevention if you are a gambler, it is only those who don't gamble will run away after losing.

What @Gozie51 said is true because when someone gambles, he can afford to risk losing, and actually, he already knows that his chances of winning might not be too great. But because he took that risk, he still gambled, and gamblers just want to bet so they don't see the rest. So they think what will happen next is something they can think about later after gambling. And if they don't dare to take the risk of losing, they should stop gambling and relax at home, enjoying the atmosphere. Thus, they don't have to think about the risks of gambling or other things.

Yes because for gamblers, it is take the risk and have the chance to some profit and if you are not taking the risk then you are not preventing anything. You are only preventing something by avoiding it and that is the reason I have said it is not for a gambler to prevent it, be it the risk or something else. If you are a gambler and you have come to gamble, all you have to do is to gamble as you can bear and in order words you are gambling anyway and you are not preventing it only to reduce your risk.

[Rabata]

online casinos will never provide loan facilities to their customers because that will be very risky because so many customers come from countries that prohibit gambling, so even if they provide credit card guarantees or KYC it is very risky for online casinos.

Even though the online casino has the KYC of the users, yet it is very easy for scammers to create an account, do the KYC, and apply for a loan.
Some can say that casinos can safeguard the return of the loans by not allowing the withdrawal until the loan is cleared. How about anyone getting the loan, losing all in the gambling, and quitting the site forever without returning the loan?

it's different from land-based casinos, in that the country or city certainly allows the gambling business, so it's only natural that land-based casinos provide loans to their customers. and I'm not sure if gamblers would avoid the casino if offered a betting loan because we know that not all gamblers are sane minds but many gamblers will accept such an offer.

In physical casinos, it is easier to recover the loans, but it is worth it for the gambling casino to give the loan service and face all these hassles from the gamblers not returning or delaying the return of loans, as they will usually lose all the loan money in the gambling.

It is a debatable situation, why the casino agent has such an opportunity to give loans to gamblers on a physical gambling place.
If he loans, it means management and awareness of gambling problems are not the case there.
Quitting has never been easy, so it is understandable why the "victim" will continue to play even if someone pays his loan back, IMHO.

Agreed, quitting is not an easy thing. Whether it is gambling or something else. The owner shouldn't have given money, just because he gave money the victim continued spending. If not, he could've left with what he had lost from his pocket. The trouble maker is the casino owner who knows well about the reality of gambling that it is not easy to recover the losses.

If it is wrong for the owner to give the loan then the borrower is more guilty. Since the owner operates a casino or gambling business, he can certainly provide loans to grow his business. On the other hand, the person taking the loan should also be aware of whether he can repay the loan amount or not. When providing loans, sometimes such situations have to be accepted. It would have been better if the financial condition of the borrower could have been well known before giving the loan, then it would have been possible to prevent such a situation.

[AicecreaME]

If it is wrong for the owner to give the loan then the borrower is more guilty. Since the owner operates a casino or gambling business, he can certainly provide loans to grow his business. On the other hand, the person taking the loan should also be aware of whether he can repay the loan amount or not. When providing loans, sometimes such situations have to be accepted. It would have been better if the financial condition of the borrower could have been well known before giving the loan, then it would have been possible to prevent such a situation.

Both of them have fair shares of wrong in this scenario. The owner shouldn't have provided a loan in the first place if there's really no existing feature of such in his casino. Additionally, someone shouldn't be granted with one without knowing the financial capacity to pay of the borrower. In this case, he was not on his guard and do not expect bad things from happening. You can say that he trusted the gambler to pay, however, it became a trouble to him.

Meanwhile, the gambler has his wrongs too. He shouldn't have borrowed if he knew he can't pay. It is the debtor's responsibility to pay his dues, and he must know that already to avoid inconveniencing others and himself as well because of the additional interest generated from the debt as time passes by. But he insisted to take a loan and didn't bothered to pay at all. It's such a shame that there are people who are like this.

Hopefully, there will be no cases such as this in the future and the players and casino owners will learn from here already. Because money matters should be taken seriously and responsibly.

[maydna]

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Yes because for gamblers, it is take the risk and have the chance to some profit and if you are not taking the risk then you are not preventing anything. You are only preventing something by avoiding it and that is the reason I have said it is not for a gambler to prevent it, be it the risk or something else. If you are a gambler and you have come to gamble, all you have to do is to gamble as you can bear and in order words you are gambling anyway and you are not preventing it only to reduce your risk.

If you don't reduce the risk, you will only see the risk of losing money getting bigger, and if that happens, you should immediately stop gambling and rest. It's not good to continue gambling because we can lose even more, especially if we deposit more money into the gambling account. It will only make us want to recover our losses even though we know that it will not guarantee that we can recover losses but provide other losses. Here it is better for us to prevent that loss than get other losses so we will not lose much money.