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August 14, 2023, 06:48:14 PM
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Well, if you can lend a cash advance to your worker so he can pay his debt on the betting agent, then problem solved. However, you cannot guarantee that the same scenario will not happen again especially that you are making things easier for your worker to gamble and lose his money in the end.

For me, I’d say the one at fault here is the gambler itself since he’s not supposed to gamble more than his income. And if by chance he’s just taking advantage from the agent’s offer without the intention to pay, then I must say the gambler is not a responsible and a reliable one especially when it comes to paying off his debt.

Helping the worker who get into loan due to the gambling loss.Because it will make the worker to comfort zone and he will work for you in long run.If the loan of loss is low,the owner can afford to give for the gambler worker.If the loan amount above the one year salary of the worker,mostly all the owner will worry to give the money.Because it's hard for the employee to return the money because the worker already get into the gambling addiction.If the worker not in addiction,why he need to get loan and play the game.If I was the owner to that gambling worker,I will help him if the gambling loss is not above his one month salary.The important one is the worker should not reuse the money for the next gambling game.

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August 15, 2023, 02:10:22 AM
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As they say, prevention is better than cure.
This is not for gambling. For gambling, usually what you are seeing is the winning. Taking of risk is what gambling is, if you are not a risk taker then maybe gambling is not for you and maybe that is the sense that prevention can be apt but as a gambling then you are only heading for the winning. Most gamblers don't see limitation to what they want to bet until they are finished with it and the result is out to their favour or not. There are no prevention if you are a gambler, it is only those who don't gamble will run away after losing.
What @Gozie51 said is true because when someone gambles, he can afford to risk losing, and actually, he already knows that his chances of winning might not be too great. But because he took that risk, he still gambled, and gamblers just want to bet so they don't see the rest. So they think what will happen next is something they can think about later after gambling. And if they don't dare to take the risk of losing, they should stop gambling and relax at home, enjoying the atmosphere. Thus, they don't have to think about the risks of gambling or other things.

Yes because for gamblers, it is take the risk and have the chance to some profit and if you are not taking the risk then you are not preventing anything. You are only preventing something by avoiding it and that is the reason I have said it is not for a gambler to prevent it, be it the risk or something else. If you are a gambler and you have come to gamble, all you have to do is to gamble as you can bear and in order words you are gambling anyway and you are not preventing it only to reduce your risk.
When it comes to gambling, there are rules guiding gambling companies and agents across the globe and these rules though differs in different nations but one of the commonest of the rules which I think is applicable to almost all the nations where gambling exist is the rule that gamblers must reach a certain number of age before they can use the betting platforms and that means for you to gamble, you must be a grown adult.
So that's why I think that nobody's to be blamed by the misfortunes of any gambler apart from the gambler. Betting agents do not force anyone to bet with them and shouldn't blamed for what happens after betting

I understand when it is meant that you have to risk in order to obtain some profit, that is something we know, however we as players sometimes have to have the degree of control of everything we do, that is, if we have control of what we have destined to lose there is no problem, because if it is lost, the loss is assumed and there should be no regrets or remorse, but if it is not assumed that things are like that or that they are not right, it is difficult, if a person has to play 200usd and lose it, then put more money even if it's 100usd more, and if you lose it, it's a mistake that shouldn't be made, and a player who bets more than he can afford to lose is what one can never do in life , no casino, nor any betting agent will say that they bet more than they should, that is our own decision, and due to this type of problem of betting more than normal, it is when they get desperate and blunders are made.

A casino betting agent is just a worker, they only have to stick to what they have to do, they cannot make attributions or decisions that do not correspond to them, because who or in any casino many unpleasant things can happen, like the one that happened , obviously the worker should be punished, because they should not go over the rules of the site, in fact they are unforgivable things in a job, a worker should not start inventing, also as I have said many times, this is about working with money, which makes it much more delicate, so things must be respected more, in fact when dealing with money, many permissions have to be requested before releasing it to anyone.

The rules in every casino, and even in any workplace, must always be respected, because as workers we cannot make decisions of that style, now the thing here is that the agent must answer for what he did, if the employer is benevolent, he He forgives the mistake, and continues working, but they have to punish him for something, because that's how things must be punished.

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August 15, 2023, 05:09:12 AM
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It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with leverage. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.

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August 15, 2023, 05:14:32 AM
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Helping the worker who get into loan due to the gambling loss.Because it will make the worker to comfort zone and he will work for you in long run.If the loan of loss is low,the owner can afford to give for the gambler worker.If the loan amount above the one year salary of the worker,mostly all the owner will worry to give the money.Because it's hard for the employee to return the money because the worker already get into the gambling addiction.If the worker not in addiction,why he need to get loan and play the game.If I was the owner to that gambling worker,I will help him if the gambling loss is not above his one month salary.The important one is the worker should not reuse the money for the next gambling game.
Not only companies but also people closest to them seem to be reluctant to give loans to people who have debts due to gambling so they can pay off their debts to betting agents because that doesn't solve the problem at all, at other times the person can go back into debt to betting agents or other people or even worse to loan sharks just because they want to return to gambling, when he has the courage to owe a betting agent, then he proves how irresponsible he is by doing that.
What can be done is to make him aware not to repeat what he did and if he wants to give a loan, it must be with a clear agreement and by looking at his ability to pay.

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It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with a shoulder. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.
That means casinos can get another advantage from lending money to gamblers. Actually it is a good idea but the casino should also know that not all gamblers can return the money they borrow. Some gamblers take a long time to be able to return their debts and interest to the casino. But some gamblers cannot even repay their debts and instead will lose all their belongings because they are all confiscated by the casino to guarantee their debts. Meanwhile, gamblers do not need to borrow money from casinos or other people because there is an additional risk they have to accept, especially if they cannot repay their debts.

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August 15, 2023, 01:53:45 PM
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Well yes, both are guilty, but they offer me a loan and it is in my knowledge whether or not I can accept it due to my ability to pay, if I see that I can't afford to pay, I'm not going to accept a loan like that, because how would pay? It would be something very painful, although there are people who do not care and accept things like this, but that is irresponsibility, if a casino is going to make a loan it must have many conditions to prevent the casino from losing money or credit there, for that reason when we We start to see what is better if going to a casino with your own or borrowed money, it is better with your own money, I would never use borrowed money to gamble in a casino.

Both had their own fault in the game,because the loan guy should get to know the purpose of loan.So that the loan getting person will pay their loan without any delay.The most avoided thing of the gambler is he/she should not loan from the agent to get the game.Most of the people use the loan option for the gambling after the complete loss to the game.So mostly I advice my friends,gambling is good but the loan with the gambling is the unnecessary one for the good gamblers.Because such game will not allow them to owe some one for the money.
If one can manage responsible gambling there will be no complaint. As long as a gambler can manage gambling with his own money, he will not be hated by anyone. Whenever he goes into debt it will start affecting his personal life. There is no fault can be found on the part of the lender in what happened mentioned by the OP. Because if lender has paid the loan according to the rules, then the person who has taken the loan will be legally guilty if he does not repay the loan.

No matter how we scrutinize whom to blame, it is always the gambler, because you are right, it is his responsibility to make sure he will not get addicted to gambling, and if he lends money, he will have a hard time paying for it, mostly if he doesn't have a stable job. The people who lend to that gambler are just doing their job and asking him to repay his loan in a hard way, and the lender should also make sure that he can pay what he has got.

I have always said something, to take a loan you have to have an incredible ability to pay, so as not to look bad, not to be badly paid and that the reputation of that person does not fall, because it is something that will always affect, for me the If the person who takes the loan is totally responsible, the person who grants the loan is also Somewhat to blame, however, that is something that can be debatable , because if you lend money and in a casino it must be with collateral unless it is a client who has gone to the casino all his life and who obviously trusts him a lot, is something that always happens , I have seen that there are many in the casino who have this kind of privileges , but they are people who answer to the casino as it is , coin the payments when they are, and that they have no delays in it.

The particular cases are usually very diverse, I would not do something like that, I have already said why, but the people who do it are quite emphatic, and perhaps because they let themselves be carried away by Emotions and that is not good, because one It Cannot be so weak , it is money that is being lent, there are many things at stake, what is most at stake is Responsibility, the ability to pay, the things that must be done to pay on time, without End of things that have to be taken into consideration.

When I see that there are things that are extremely careful , such as money , Loans , I have to carefully review everything, the terms, the payments of how much percentage , how much interest they ask us for, little can we be signing a possible unpayable sentence, and that It is not the idea either, we must also assume that a casino does not lose, and always has the Advantage , that is something that must be Considered.

That is why the responsibility in these cases falls on us as players, each person who is in a casino is responsible for their actions, because for that they are of legal age, they are considered adults and each person must assume their expenses and their mistakes, that is why It is that these things with the casinos are so delicate , and it has to be taken with great Measure.

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August 15, 2023, 02:28:44 PM
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It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with a shoulder. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.

I find it a bit of a surprise that casinos and betting agents want their customers to take on debt to gamble. Facilitating such debt themselves and loaning money to struggling gamblers only for them to lose more seems like a really bad business model. First of all the casino doesn't make any additional money, they only can win the money back that they gave the gambler as a loan. Everything more the gambler lost will have to be recovered later from his future income. There is no real guarantee that the betting agent or casino will recover their loan, because if the debt is too high the gambler can default. Wouldn't it make more sense for the casino to only have customers lose what they can afford to lose? Like that they would guarantee that their customers come back and can gamble for a long time. In the end they have to choose between a big payout today after which the gambler is broke and in debt or a smaller payout which is coming in regularly from their longstanding customers.
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It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with a shoulder. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.
That means casinos can get another advantage from lending money to gamblers. Actually it is a good idea but the casino should also know that not all gamblers can return the money they borrow. Some gamblers take a long time to be able to return their debts and interest to the casino. But some gamblers cannot even repay their debts and instead will lose all their belongings because they are all confiscated by the casino to guarantee their debts. Meanwhile, gamblers do not need to borrow money from casinos or other people because there is an additional risk they have to accept, especially if they cannot repay their debts.

well i have never seen any casino lending money to people, casinos have licenses to operate like casinos or bookmakers and not like banks and give loans, they would not commit this type of crime, governments would be chasing casinos that at the same time they were turning into banks because the laws of all countries in the world are very strict on this issue of loans and banks, and casinos would not have two licenses, they would not have a license to operate a casino and at the same time a license to operate a bank. another point is about guarantees, casinos are designed to always win and customers lose

So, it wouldn't make any sense for a casino to keep lending people to play in the casino knowing that these people will lose money in the casino and won't be able to pay the loan, that's why, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense for casinos to give loans. also people who were going to borrow money to gamble would be making a serious mistake and with that they would no longer be gambling responsibly, they would be on the path of gambling addiction, they would be destroying their lives and I am sure that in some countries if they knew that some casino is giving out loans to its customers, governments would sue that casino for putting its citizens in a bad way

this problem would definitely lead to the arrest of the casino owners, in my country for example only banks can make loans, any person or company that provides loans and charges interest will be arrested. only banks can make loans charging interest in my country and probably in many countries things work that way. in my country people ask betting agents to give them a lottery ticket to pay days later, this is not a loan

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August 15, 2023, 08:47:15 PM
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It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with a shoulder. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.
That means casinos can get another advantage from lending money to gamblers. Actually it is a good idea but the casino should also know that not all gamblers can return the money they borrow. Some gamblers take a long time to be able to return their debts and interest to the casino. But some gamblers cannot even repay their debts and instead will lose all their belongings because they are all confiscated by the casino to guarantee their debts. Meanwhile, gamblers do not need to borrow money from casinos or other people because there is an additional risk they have to accept, especially if they cannot repay their debts.

well i have never seen any casino lending money to people, casinos have licenses to operate like casinos or bookmakers and not like banks and give loans, they would not commit this type of crime, governments would be chasing casinos that at the same time they were turning into banks because the laws of all countries in the world are very strict on this issue of loans and banks, and casinos would not have two licenses, they would not have a license to operate a casino and at the same time a license to operate a bank. another point is about guarantees, casinos are designed to always win and customers lose

So, it wouldn't make any sense for a casino to keep lending people to play in the casino knowing that these people will lose money in the casino and won't be able to pay the loan, that's why, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense for casinos to give loans. also people who were going to borrow money to gamble would be making a serious mistake and with that they would no longer be gambling responsibly, they would be on the path of gambling addiction, they would be destroying their lives and I am sure that in some countries if they knew that some casino is giving out loans to its customers, governments would sue that casino for putting its citizens in a bad way

this problem would definitely lead to the arrest of the casino owners, in my country for example only banks can make loans, any person or company that provides loans and charges interest will be arrested. only banks can make loans charging interest in my country and probably in many countries things work that way. in my country people ask betting agents to give them a lottery ticket to pay days later, this is not a loan
Totally agree but i wont really be that surprised that there would be some side offerings or something that those VIP could be able to get some benefits or some features which those ordinary gamblers couldnt really be able to do so. Yes,its true that they arent banks which they could really be able to offer some loans or some free credits on which they could play. It would really be just a total suicide for the business if they would be letting someone who do able to play on the amount that have been provided. Arent they wont gonna be feeling out that kind of regret on the time that they had provided some fund and turns out to make some huge hit with those last gambling or gaming sessions? For sure it would really be a huge disappointment and regret if ever that happens and one of the risks that they had need to deal with but since the house is really that confident that they could really be able to win up in the end and ending up on getting some interest out of those advanced loans or amounts then thats an additional money for them but there's always that kind of risks
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August 16, 2023, 04:30:46 AM
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well i have never seen any casino lending money to people, casinos have licenses to operate like casinos or bookmakers and not like banks and give loans, they would not commit this type of crime, governments would be chasing casinos that at the same time they were turning into banks because the laws of all countries in the world are very strict on this issue of loans and banks, and casinos would not have two licenses, they would not have a license to operate a casino and at the same time a license to operate a bank. another point is about guarantees, casinos are designed to always win and customers lose

So, it wouldn't make any sense for a casino to keep lending people to play in the casino knowing that these people will lose money in the casino and won't be able to pay the loan, that's why, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense for casinos to give loans. also people who were going to borrow money to gamble would be making a serious mistake and with that they would no longer be gambling responsibly, they would be on the path of gambling addiction, they would be destroying their lives and I am sure that in some countries if they knew that some casino is giving out loans to its customers, governments would sue that casino for putting its citizens in a bad way

this problem would definitely lead to the arrest of the casino owners, in my country for example only banks can make loans, any person or company that provides loans and charges interest will be arrested. only banks can make loans charging interest in my country and probably in many countries things work that way. in my country people ask betting agents to give them a lottery ticket to pay days later, this is not a loan
Yes, maybe we have never seen a casino lend money to gamblers, especially gamblers who have lost playing before so they can continue playing gambling. And if there is, maybe the casino will not disclose it publicly and only the casinos and gamblers will know. But this activity seems quite attractive to casinos because they can get additional income from lending money to gamblers.

But if it violates government regulations, the government may immediately sanction the casino by revoking its license temporarily and the casino may have to pay a fine to the government. But if it doesn't matter to the government with the record that casinos have to pay higher taxes than other casinos, casinos can continue to carry out activities of lending money to gamblers. And although this is an advantage for gamblers to get money quickly through lending money from casinos, it is a bad way for gamblers because they can get even bigger losses and maybe the gamblers will not be able to repay the borrowed money.

We don't know which casinos use this method for their gamblers, so we can only guess. But this kind of practice could have been going on for a long time without anyone knowing and only people who frequent casinos know about it.

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August 16, 2023, 04:39:28 AM
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well i have never seen any casino lending money to people, casinos have licenses to operate like casinos or bookmakers and not like banks and give loans, they would not commit this type of crime, governments would be chasing casinos that at the same time they were turning into banks because the laws of all countries in the world are very strict on this issue of loans and banks, and casinos would not have two licenses, they would not have a license to operate a casino and at the same time a license to operate a bank. another point is about guarantees, casinos are designed to always win and customers lose

So, it wouldn't make any sense for a casino to keep lending people to play in the casino knowing that these people will lose money in the casino and won't be able to pay the loan, that's why, in my opinion, it doesn't make sense for casinos to give loans. also people who were going to borrow money to gamble would be making a serious mistake and with that they would no longer be gambling responsibly, they would be on the path of gambling addiction, they would be destroying their lives and I am sure that in some countries if they knew that some casino is giving out loans to its customers, governments would sue that casino for putting its citizens in a bad way

this problem would definitely lead to the arrest of the casino owners, in my country for example only banks can make loans, any person or company that provides loans and charges interest will be arrested. only banks can make loans charging interest in my country and probably in many countries things work that way. in my country people ask betting agents to give them a lottery ticket to pay days later, this is not a loan
Yes, maybe we have never seen a casino lend money to gamblers, especially gamblers who have lost playing before so they can continue playing gambling. And if there is, maybe the casino will not disclose it publicly and only the casinos and gamblers will know. But this activity seems quite attractive to casinos because they can get additional income from lending money to gamblers.

But if it violates government regulations, the government may immediately sanction the casino by revoking its license temporarily and the casino may have to pay a fine to the government. But if it doesn't matter to the government with the record that casinos have to pay higher taxes than other casinos, casinos can continue to carry out activities of lending money to gamblers. And although this is an advantage for gamblers to get money quickly through lending money from casinos, it is a bad way for gamblers because they can get even bigger losses and maybe the gamblers will not be able to repay the borrowed money.

We don't know which casinos use this method for their gamblers, so we can only guess. But this kind of practice could have been going on for a long time without anyone knowing and only people who frequent casinos know about it.

It seems that it would be very profitable for the casino if there is a service nearby that can lend money to players so that they can borrow and continue playing, which would subsequently bring even more profit for the casino. When casinos were destroyed in the country where I now live, I am sure that there was always a lambard or an organization issuing money loans next to them. Therefore, it is possible that online casinos are the organizers of such micro financial organizations. After all, if there is interest on their part, then they most likely did it.

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August 16, 2023, 04:59:36 AM
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It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with a shoulder. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.
The gambler knows the consequences of his action but he chose to ignore. Maybe because he is hoping that for using the loaned money, he might became lucky to recover his losses and repay back what he owed. Unfortunately it didn't happened and that make his situation worse since he's avoiding the responsibility. Thus if an agent or a casino offered a deal so the gambler can continue playing, think before accepting. Because in the end, if you didn't win, you have to face the consequences of not being able to control yourself.

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August 16, 2023, 05:19:29 AM
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It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with leverage. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.
I believe that is true. There will always be those people who like taking risks although it is not their own money which they are about to bet. Loans. Sharks will always be there monitoring every gambler and they target those who are experiencing great losses. They are easy to manipulate because they want to chase their losses and they will agree to any contract given to them as long as they can get the money as fast as they can.

With the story of OP though, the debtor has a chance to pay it back in just 4 days of working, I don't think it's that hard for him to do it so I bet he will pay up.
But there are stories that are more hardcore than this but those gamblers would not bother to tell it to anyone.
Thousands or millions of dollars in debt just to gamble their way.

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August 17, 2023, 04:53:11 AM
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It seems that it would be very profitable for the casino if there is a service nearby that can lend money to players so that they can borrow and continue playing, which would subsequently bring even more profit for the casino. When casinos were destroyed in the country where I now live, I am sure that there was always a lambard or an organization issuing money loans next to them. Therefore, it is possible that online casinos are the organizers of such micro financial organizations. After all, if there is interest on their part, then they most likely did it.
That's true because the casino can get extra income by lending it to the losing gambler. But the problem is that the casino has to make sure that the gambler can return the money without a long time. And if not, the casino better not lend the losing gambler his money.

Organizations like the ones you mentioned will still exist and many will still operate underground because many people still need them. Even though people know they have to pay back the money at high interest, they still borrow money from them. And the organization is managed by the same person so that the profits that the organization gets will go to the owner.

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August 17, 2023, 05:48:23 AM
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It seems that it would be very profitable for the casino if there is a service nearby that can lend money to players so that they can borrow and continue playing, which would subsequently bring even more profit for the casino. When casinos were destroyed in the country where I now live, I am sure that there was always a lambard or an organization issuing money loans next to them. Therefore, it is possible that online casinos are the organizers of such micro financial organizations. After all, if there is interest on their part, then they most likely did it.
That's true because the casino can get extra income by lending it to the losing gambler. But the problem is that the casino has to make sure that the gambler can return the money without a long time. And if not, the casino better not lend the losing gambler his money.

Organizations like the ones you mentioned will still exist and many will still operate underground because many people still need them. Even though people know they have to pay back the money at high interest, they still borrow money from them. And the organization is managed by the same person so that the profits that the organization gets will go to the owner.

Of course, such organizations have a strong legal base. Such organizations are created based on working and proven profitable projects. They are well aware of all the laws concerning bankruptcy and debt repayment, and they see the line when a person can no longer borrow money, because he will not give it back. I am not a lawyer, but I think it can be calculated somehow: through the property currently available to a person, as well as through the terms of forced labor, through which the debtor can be attracted to repay debts.

Nevertheless, I consider such organizations to be evil because they make any person's economic situation worse, since they require very high interest rates.

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August 17, 2023, 05:57:57 AM
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It's actually like playing on the stock exchange but with a shoulder. When you play with bets that you don't actually have. This is done only by greedy players, because any trader is always warned that trading with a chip carries huge risks. Similarly, in your case, this worker looked at what shed, but chose to take a risk. I'm sure he knew the rule that you need to play only for your own money, and which he can afford to spend. And as for the question of how long he will be loaned money - I think that as long as it is legally possible to recover from him, even after the incident of a long time. Everything has a limit, but both casinos and their agents like to drive people into debt. After all, they know perfectly well that you can't get away from them later.
The gambler knows the consequences of his action but he chose to ignore. Maybe because he is hoping that for using the loaned money, he might became lucky to recover his losses and repay back what he owed. Unfortunately it didn't happened and that make his situation worse since he's avoiding the responsibility. Thus if an agent or a casino offered a deal so the gambler can continue playing, think before accepting. Because in the end, if you didn't win, you have to face the consequences of not being able to control yourself.
Such a thing is done by gamblers because he is truly blinded by defeat and added to the burning emotion that makes his brain no longer able to think clearly and think about the long-term risk effects that could occur if he takes the action of borrowing money with the purpose of continuing the betting session to be able to recover the losses that have just occurred.
Not a few gamblers do this and if the real blame is the gambler himself because he has gotten out of control and cannot think normally.

If there is a companion in every gambling activity, maybe it can put more pressure on or minimize every gambler who could be wrong in making decisions or actions, but unfortunately not all gamblers will have a companion when they are in the gambling industry.
If we look at land or traditional casinos, there are quite a lot of rich people who have assistants when they enter the casino and all of these assistants always give the best advice to their boss so that every action has better consideration.

I think those of us who gamble in online casinos can invite a trusted friend or wife to always monitor the gambling that we are doing so that we can provide discussion and not take risky actions such as borrowing money or being too obsessed with pursuing losses.
It's just that it seems that there are still many people who are too secretive about the gambling activities that are carried out so that it is impossible to order friends and wives to be able to supervise the gambling that is being carried out.

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August 17, 2023, 08:01:47 AM
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Well, if you can lend a cash advance to your worker so he can pay his debt on the betting agent, then problem solved. However, you cannot guarantee that the same scenario will not happen again especially that you are making things easier for your worker to gamble and lose his money in the end.

For me, I’d say the one at fault here is the gambler itself since he’s not supposed to gamble more than his income. And if by chance he’s just taking advantage from the agent’s offer without the intention to pay, then I must say the gambler is not a responsible and a reliable one especially when it comes to paying off his debt.

Helping the worker who get into loan due to the gambling loss.Because it will make the worker to comfort zone and he will work for you in long run.If the loan of loss is low,the owner can afford to give for the gambler worker.If the loan amount above the one year salary of the worker,mostly all the owner will worry to give the money.Because it's hard for the employee to return the money because the worker already get into the gambling addiction.If the worker not in addiction,why he need to get loan and play the game.If I was the owner to that gambling worker,I will help him if the gambling loss is not above his one month salary.The important one is the worker should not reuse the money for the next gambling game.
You may have considered the debt-ridden gambler's situation and tried to appeal to him to come forward to help. Which is certainly commendable. But when a gambler becomes addicted to gambling, every time you help him pay off his debt, he will go into debt again. So first you need to understand whether he is an addicted gambler or not. If he is not addicted then he must be helped so that he can pay off his debt. If such a non-addicted gambler can be helped, a good relationship can also be established between the two person.

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August 18, 2023, 12:23:24 AM
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Well, if you can lend a cash advance to your worker so he can pay his debt on the betting agent, then problem solved. However, you cannot guarantee that the same scenario will not happen again especially that you are making things easier for your worker to gamble and lose his money in the end.

For me, I’d say the one at fault here is the gambler itself since he’s not supposed to gamble more than his income. And if by chance he’s just taking advantage from the agent’s offer without the intention to pay, then I must say the gambler is not a responsible and a reliable one especially when it comes to paying off his debt.
This is a risky proposition, lending money to a person that you know is difficult, but doing so to help them paid a debt which was incurred while gambling seems like a bad idea.

As if you were to give them that loan then they could simply quit the next day, get another job at another place and now you will have to be the one spending your time to try to find them, and even if this did not happened now you have created the expectation that if they are in financial troubles you will give them a loan, and if you are not careful they could take you with you on their path to financial ruin.

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August 18, 2023, 04:37:15 AM
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The gambler knows the consequences of his action but he chose to ignore. Maybe because he is hoping that for using the loaned money, he might became lucky to recover his losses and repay back what he owed. Unfortunately it didn't happened and that make his situation worse since he's avoiding the responsibility. Thus if an agent or a casino offered a deal so the gambler can continue playing, think before accepting. Because in the end, if you didn't win, you have to face the consequences of not being able to control yourself.
Such a thing is done by gamblers because he is truly blinded by defeat and added to the burning emotion that makes his brain no longer able to think clearly and think about the long-term risk effects that could occur if he takes the action of borrowing money with the purpose of continuing the betting session to be able to recover the losses that have just occurred.
Not a few gamblers do this and if the real blame is the gambler himself because he has gotten out of control and cannot think normally.

In a normal state of calm, not all people's thinking works critically, and when losing, especially when the amount is large, thinking is very much mixed with feelings, and you can't expect any reasonable conclusions. Nedaano I studied how a dependent player crosses the line from losing his money to losing someone else's? After all, you can lose your money and it won't be a big deal, but if you lose money taken on credit, then your business is bad. It turns out that at such a moment the player thinks like this: "I've lost a lot of money now, but I just had a little bad luck, I need some more money and probability theory itself will help me, and if I increase the distance of games, and luck will return everything I owe." At the same time, he also increases the stakes to recoup. But we all understand what this is likely to lead to.

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August 18, 2023, 06:20:51 AM
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Of course, such organizations have a strong legal base. Such organizations are created based on working and proven profitable projects. They are well aware of all the laws concerning bankruptcy and debt repayment, and they see the line when a person can no longer borrow money, because he will not give it back. I am not a lawyer, but I think it can be calculated somehow: through the property currently available to a person, as well as through the terms of forced labor, through which the debtor can be attracted to repay debts.

Nevertheless, I consider such organizations to be evil because they make any person's economic situation worse, since they require very high interest rates.
And it seems that such organizations know how to use loopholes in laws to use them to their advantage and earn extra revenue. There should be an improvement in the law that regulates it so that they can't take advantage of the loophole again. But how could that be because the people who make the laws could belong to those in the same organization. So they still won't change the law because it still benefits them. When the organization looks burdensome for the people, it has to get a change but it will come back to the people who set the law.

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