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July 03, 2023, 05:19:19 PM
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I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?


For sure the minimum age that you can gamble is 18, but the legal age to gamble for most countries are in the age of 21, and this 21 age was the one that is typically in the state of law, but I think this only applies with face-to-face casino's and not applicable with online Casino's or Sports gambling online, that doesn't have KYC, or even with KYC but is not that kind of strict with requirements, mostly gamblers can put fake identity and age, just to bypass those KYC that are not strict, for sure that age requirements are not likely followed, likely there can easily gamble, without the consent of anybody

As we all know that the age limit for gambling in casinos varies from country to country and can also depend on certain casino policies. And in most countries the minimum age for gambling in casinos is 18 years, there is also in some countries the age limit may be 21 years or more.
and 18 years and over are considered adults, but it is important to remember that gambling can be addictive and can have negative social and financial consequences, so it is important to gamble responsibly and really think maturely and play maturely to avoid addiction.

Well, that addictive part is a different story while limiting the gambling used for a certain age was really the problem but we can not really say that younger gamblers can become addicted to gambling easily because sometimes we will surely never know when he becomes addicted, or what is triggered for it on a human mind, but well as I have said there are many that triggered it, but certain that is a topic for another thread, right now age restriction is not really solid prevention for online gambling because certain individuals will eventually play online casino, with younger age, surely there is the much younger generation that is tech-savvy than with the adults now,


one of the reasons why some gambling sites require KYC is to prevent underage gamblers from using their parents' money to gamble but nowadays children are very smart, they can falsify KYC data, they will only pay some parents to do KYC for their account.

the minimum age in gambling is almost difficult to implement effectively, there are many loopholes to get away from it, and one other important thing, many gambling sites also do not require KYC for their users.  It is necessary to intervene from all parties to be able to prevent under the age of understanding gambling as early as possible.

Yup! They will surely be using a fake account purposely playing in a casino or sports gambling site hiding age is not a problem with people anymore, and sometimes provided information will be fake or a different identity of the person, the gambling site will never know that the person playing a bet was his son or daughter that have used his identity instead, that is how smart a kid can be this day, and with the Addiction problem it will be even worst that might happen,
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July 03, 2023, 05:28:15 PM
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Minors were playing online casinos before KYC became a thing in crypto casinos, and I believe they are still doing so in casinos that are not rigorous or haven't adopted KYC yet. Also, I'm sure they'll figure out a means to avoid KYC, such as discreetly obtaining adult IDs, such as their parents, and so forth. We have what we term "perya" in our area, and children, including grade schoolers, are allowed to gamble.
Even if they stole their parents' ID, they won't still pass the selfie stage unless if they will tell their parents about it but I doubt if their parents will agree. The best thing that they can do is to use their parent's account in their own devices if they are also into gambling. They just want to make sure that they don't bust all the money so that their parent won't be suspicious about it and if they win, they will need to withdraw most of the money in to their own accounts.

The Perya thing, you're talking about there seems like a tradition already in some towns, that is why it's more legal and all ages are allowed there. It's not really that alarming since they don't last long and the games offered are not that addicting compared to the real casinos.

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July 03, 2023, 05:40:29 PM
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Online casinos can easily be accessed and I think that teenagers below this age do gamble online because it will not be difficult for them to register and start gambling. At 18,it shows that you are an adult and should be left alone to make decisions on your own and face any consequences of your actions if they are illegal or against the law.

On land base casino,I don't know if the casino will have their own age limit at 18yrs. This also depends on the casino,it an be differ from one country to another or from one state to another. Anybody below 18yrs that gambles and win big in a casino that say 18-21 years,he might find it difficult to cash out his wins
Online casinos are indeed quite easy to access by anyone, including teenagers who are under the age of 18, unless the online casino applies KYC at the beginning, of course the teenager will not be able to gamble unless he shows an ID card as a condition that the casino applies, but online casinos now don't a lot of players apply KYC except for a few big wins, and that's what I know.

Of course land casinos have a minimum age limit for gambling but this varies if land casinos let the child enter and play gambling then the casinos have violated the legal rules that have been set because I think land casinos must have rules that have been set by the government as their license and also the regulations.

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July 03, 2023, 06:29:02 PM
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I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?


When one becomes an adult I think one is old enough to play gamble, being adult is the time for someone to make decisions on how to live life. Apart from playing gambling in adulthood , getting a source of income can also be the right time to start playing gamble, I mean playing with the amount that can be afforded to lose.
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July 03, 2023, 09:18:39 PM
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Online casinos are indeed quite easy to access by anyone, including teenagers who are under the age of 18, unless the online casino applies KYC at the beginning, of course the teenager will not be able to gamble unless he shows an ID card as a condition that the casino applies, but online casinos now don't a lot of players apply KYC except for a few big wins, and that's what I know.
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As we know, most casinos don't ask for any serious KYC at all before you win and want to make a withdrawal. This always annoyed me because they accept money without any problems at all, but they give it back with difficulty. And I also wonder why parents don’t fill up such casinos with lawsuits (even fake ones) on the topic “my child became a gambler because of your non-working KYC”. After all, many people like to sue out of the blue simply in the hope of sue some money in their favor.

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July 03, 2023, 09:22:44 PM
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Anyone can access online casinos, small time gamblers don't have to be forced with KYC because the casinos allow that unless you'll go to a limit and they'll notice that. While in my country, a teen can go to these online casinos and easily gamble with whatever they have and much likely cryptos. And if ever they'll be asked for a kyc, they won't use their original identity because they'll be caught as a teen. So, usually they'll ask their parents identity to comply for it and they'll easily do that because their parents will see it as if they're working teens especially if they're giving some of their winnings to their parents. That's how it goes and also likely happening in other countries.

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July 03, 2023, 09:25:40 PM
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Online casinos are indeed quite easy to access by anyone, including teenagers who are under the age of 18, unless the online casino applies KYC at the beginning, of course the teenager will not be able to gamble unless he shows an ID card as a condition that the casino applies, but online casinos now don't a lot of players apply KYC except for a few big wins, and that's what I know.

Of course land casinos have a minimum age limit for gambling but this varies if land casinos let the child enter and play gambling then the casinos have violated the legal rules that have been set because I think land casinos must have rules that have been set by the government as their license and also the regulations.

I am aware that this condition is adopted in many casinos, so youth and minor children can still gamble in those casinos. In illegal casinos as in most cases in my country KYC is completely unnecessary. Everyone can gamble without KYC, even children can easily gamble without strict rules. All the casinos need is a deposit, so they can gamble easily.
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July 03, 2023, 09:32:12 PM
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Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

If a casino knowingly allowed any minor to gamble (either online, or in brick-and-mortar one) they could certainly face hefty fines, or even risk losing their licence. On top of that, they could be forced to return any money lost by underage player.

Things get complicated when minors use either fake IDs or their parents' bank details to sign up online and lie about their age. In such case, if the casino is proven to take all reasonable steps to prevent that from happening, they probably won't get fined, and it'd be on the parents to not properly monitor their child.
But it all depends on the jurisdiction, as laws can differ.

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July 03, 2023, 09:39:15 PM
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It all differs in some certain peripherals...
Personally, I think anyone could gamble on their funds if they really want to -- say from age 18. The one thing that makes the rampant of control even more worse is the media. Anyone could use edited fake documents If the sites are really keen on getting KYCs initialized.
Secondly, in this part of the world's horizon, kids from age 18 actually depend on themselves so that would also mean, game sites and centers would permit them from that age too. I'M SURE ABOUT THIS FACT.

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July 03, 2023, 09:45:24 PM
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Minors were playing online casinos before KYC became a thing in crypto casinos, and I believe they are still doing so in casinos that are not rigorous or haven't adopted KYC yet. Also, I'm sure they'll figure out a means to avoid KYC, such as discreetly obtaining adult IDs, such as their parents, and so forth. We have what we term "perya" in our area, and children, including grade schoolers, are allowed to gamble.
Even if they stole their parents' ID, they won't still pass the selfie stage unless if they will tell their parents about it but I doubt if their parents will agree. The best thing that they can do is to use their parent's account in their own devices if they are also into gambling. They just want to make sure that they don't bust all the money so that their parent won't be suspicious about it and if they win, they will need to withdraw most of the money in to their own accounts.

The Perya thing, you're talking about there seems like a tradition already in some towns, that is why it's more legal and all ages are allowed there. It's not really that alarming since they don't last long and the games offered are not that addicting compared to the real casinos.
In fact, the idea that someone young might use their parents' credentials without permission is, dare I say, at best unsettling and at worst harmful. Unfortunately, it's unlikely that they'll get past the "selfie" stage without their parents' permission, unless they're really good at lying or their parents have a strange love of gaming. To sneak around using a parent's account? I must say, it reminds me of Charles Dickens. "Please, sir, I'd like some more"...chips.

As for the "Perya" custom, it is a colorful tapestry of community activities and, yes, a little bit of gambling. It is more like a fair than a casino, which is a good parallel. But, don't you think there's a thin line between custom and possible exploitation? It's an interesting dance between the law and morality. Even if the games are short and the stakes are low, does that make it okay to let anyone play?

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July 03, 2023, 09:48:41 PM
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Well, if I must be sincere, I would say that I am not certain that online casino take the issue of underaged gambling serious at all, and this days, it is even possible for some underaged gamblers to pass kyc verification either by submitting a faked/forged documents or using the documents belonging there older relatives for the verification..

In all, it's not entirely the fault of the online casino, as they probably depend very much on the gamblers to be sincere and truthful in their dealing most especially in terms of kyc verification, but this does not hide the fact that there are still very many underaged gamblers who are taking advantage of the system, and I don't see them(casino) making any effort to fish out those underaged gamblers.

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July 03, 2023, 09:52:24 PM
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I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

I don't know legal it will be to take actions on online casinos who still after getting the age of a player through their kyc still allow minors to gamble and that's simply greed to me. The actual age for gambling  should be from 18 years because at such age, a child should be own to own up to his actions and if flaunts any legal regulations at such age should  be able to face the law but  any child found below this age should be classified  a minor irrespective  of how big or built they might be physically.
I don't think even some physically casinos in some Africa countries actually follows the age restriction principles in gambling  what they're  after is just making money through  betting which isn't right.
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July 03, 2023, 09:59:54 PM
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Well, if I must be sincere, I would say that I am not certain that online casino take the issue of underaged gambling serious at all, and this days, it is even possible for some underaged gamblers to pass kyc verification either by submitting a faked/forged documents or using the documents belonging there older relatives for the verification..


Unless for the few casinos who doesn't care about their reputation that doesn't take underage gambling serious because most of the reputable casinos like stake make sure that a new player pass the level 1 kyc before they able to make either deposit or place a bet of the site and apart from that if the player supplied fake information and documents for verifications,  it still doesn't mean there will not be caught if the casino is really serious in doing so.

But where underage gambling is rampant is in physical casinos since those kids don't need IDs to gain access to those casinos because as long as they have the money to waste,  most of the casinos will welcome them with open hands.
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July 03, 2023, 10:00:20 PM
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in my country the minimum age is 18 years old, and this is not only for gambling, it also serves for the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, marriage, employment in the government or company, even for the person to open an account at the bank, in my country the person needs to be 18 years old or older. in the case of online casinos, it is difficult to control all the people who create accounts in the casino and this task of controlling so that people under 18 do not stay in the games of chance is a task of the parents, one should not blame some casino, the people should blame the parents who don't stay villainous, don't take good care of their children

casinos do their part to ask for kyc, but parents at home should watch what their children are doing, most parents are not asking their children what they do on the internet, what they do with the phone and computer, they don't look at the phones and their children's computers, they don't sit down with their children to talk about things like gambling in a way that makes them understand that they should only gamble when they are over 18 and that they shouldn't lie and break the law by playing in casinos knowing they have less 18 years old, are things that parents at home should do

in recent years, even 8-year-olds already have a phone, they are already on instagram, and I keep asking myself why do certain parents give an 8-year-old a phone? two years later the child is obviously already playing in a casino and age is a lie, in some cases even the child asks someone aged 18 to create an account in a casino and kyc and give him the account, it is normal for some 13 or 15 year olds do this kind of bad stuff
Why would anyone make a gambling account to 8-10 year old with his own name? I mean beside the fact it's immoral, what do they get from it? Kid's pocket money?

And imagine those 8 year olds making a ton of money and info about your casino income got to your local IRS equivalent, and since you didn't pay taxes for winnings you would get sued for tax evasion. All because you made an account to some kid.

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July 03, 2023, 10:10:02 PM
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The minimum age to gamble is difers in different countries of the world. In some countries it 18 years while other countries prefer their citizens to get to the age of 21 before they can be allowed to gamble.

However, most of this gambling sites can be easily accessed from the internet by anybody making it possible for even the under aged who's got free and unregulated access to  the internet to gamble. So I think it's the major reason why  the under aged in many countries still gamble

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July 03, 2023, 10:22:10 PM
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Online casinos can easily be accessed and I think that teenagers below this age do gamble online because it will not be difficult for them to register and start gambling. At 18,it shows that you are an adult and should be left alone to make decisions on your own and face any consequences of your actions if they are illegal or against the law.

On land base casino,I don't know if the casino will have their own age limit at 18yrs. This also depends on the casino,it an be differ from one country to another or from one state to another. Anybody below 18yrs that gambles and win big in a casino that say 18-21 years,he might find it difficult to cash out his wins
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Of course land casinos have a minimum age limit for gambling but this varies if land casinos let the child enter and play gambling then the casinos have violated the legal rules that have been set because I think land casinos must have rules that have been set by the government as their license and also the regulations.
I don't know but I think even this rule has to do with the specific region because in my locality here they have so many cases where I have seen a lot of under age gamblers in casino houses where I do go to gamble at times but most of times the underage gambler always claim his elder brother or uncle gave them booking code to come and play in the shop which is supposed to be rejected by the casino owners or workers but later is the case and this is very wrong because it exposes the underage person to habits he or she cant control.

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July 03, 2023, 10:26:26 PM
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Online casinos can easily be accessed and I think that teenagers below this age do gamble online because it will not be difficult for them to register and start gambling. At 18,it shows that you are an adult and should be left alone to make decisions on your own and face any consequences of your actions if they are illegal or against the law.

On land base casino,I don't know if the casino will have their own age limit at 18yrs. This also depends on the casino,it an be differ from one country to another or from one state to another. Anybody below 18yrs that gambles and win big in a casino that say 18-21 years,he might find it difficult to cash out his wins
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Of course land casinos have a minimum age limit for gambling but this varies if land casinos let the child enter and play gambling then the casinos have violated the legal rules that have been set because I think land casinos must have rules that have been set by the government as their license and also the regulations.
I don't know but I think even this rule has to do with the specific region because in my locality here they have so many cases where I have seen a lot of under age gamblers in casino houses where I do go to gamble at times but most of times the underage gambler always claim his elder brother or uncle gave them booking code to come and play in the shop which is supposed to be rejected by the casino owners or workers but later is the case and this is very wrong because it exposes the underage person to habits he or she cant control.
For Physical casinos then for sure there would be no minors which would really be allowed to get inside casinos premises on which it would really be just that in default but if we do speak about online casinos then there's no way that we could be able to filter out those youngsters to play on a certain platform. Even there's that specific law or regulation about age restriction or prohibition, due to easy access or simply that accessibility
due to in todays technology then its really that hard to make it perfect on avoiding those youngster to play gambling. Usually ages 18-21 would be the limit for someone to be able to play gambling or even on other
things like smoking or even seeing some rated specific kind of movie which it would be understandable that it would really be that right for certain audiences, how much more on specific activity specially
it does involved money?

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July 03, 2023, 10:59:11 PM
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in my country the minimum age is 18 years old, and this is not only for gambling, it also serves for the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, marriage, employment in the government or company, even for the person to open an account at the bank, in my country the person needs to be 18 years old or older. in the case of online casinos, it is difficult to control all the people who create accounts in the casino and this task of controlling so that people under 18 do not stay in the games of chance is a task of the parents, one should not blame some casino, the people should blame the parents who don't stay villainous, don't take good care of their children

casinos do their part to ask for kyc, but parents at home should watch what their children are doing, most parents are not asking their children what they do on the internet, what they do with the phone and computer, they don't look at the phones and their children's computers, they don't sit down with their children to talk about things like gambling in a way that makes them understand that they should only gamble when they are over 18 and that they shouldn't lie and break the law by playing in casinos knowing they have less 18 years old, are things that parents at home should do

in recent years, even 8-year-olds already have a phone, they are already on instagram, and I keep asking myself why do certain parents give an 8-year-old a phone? two years later the child is obviously already playing in a casino and age is a lie, in some cases even the child asks someone aged 18 to create an account in a casino and kyc and give him the account, it is normal for some 13 or 15 year olds do this kind of bad stuff
Why would anyone make a gambling account to 8-10 year old with his own name? I mean beside the fact it's immoral, what do they get from it? Kid's pocket money?

And imagine those 8 year olds making a ton of money and info about your casino income got to your local IRS equivalent, and since you didn't pay taxes for winnings you would get sued for tax evasion. All because you made an account to some kid.
On the other hand, why is this 8 years old kid buying a casino account, since he obviously doesn't have a source of income to maintain this activity? Even if he purchases the account, it seems useless since he won't have money to gamble like an adult has. Or the parents are crazy to give the child access to their credit and debit cards plus virtual banking accounts.

Then I think it's more an issue regards the familiar structure which is completely wrong than the relation between gambling and kids, which simply doesn't work for real, due to the reason mentioned above.

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July 03, 2023, 11:51:42 PM
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I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.
It is true that commonly the minimum age for gambling is 18+. Someone is considered mature enough when he is already 18+.
I'm sure that most online casinos are trying to follow this age minimum. But the gambler can falsify his data, he can use his parent ID to pass KYC on the casino sites.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
Casino sites can strict the KYC procedure. But there is always a chance for fake data. It is something difficult to do by the casino sites. Even if they use a live KYC procedure to validate the data, a smart one can always know how to manipulate it. Well, a live KYC may be the best way to eliminate underage. I don't think any other ways to deal with this matter.


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July 03, 2023, 11:59:27 PM
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Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
Casino sites can strict the KYC procedure. But there is always a chance for fake data. It is something difficult to do by the casino sites. Even if they use a live KYC procedure to validate the data, a smart one can always know how to manipulate it. Well, a live KYC may be the best way to eliminate underage. I don't think any other ways to deal with this matter.

This is another issue with the KYC, that is FAKE documents submit to pass the KYC (And I will discuss this separately) but if the casino can't check if the data provided with us is real or fake, then what is the purpose of the KYC. Casinos should have a mechanism to verify the data and an intelligent system that can detect fake ID Cards, driving licenses, and/or passport submissions.

They could make use of live camera technology to scan these documents but the point is that once they make an effort to collect real data, they should also make use of that data correctly, which means that they should filter the minors and deny them the opportunity to gamble.

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