Did BC Change the Algo???

[astaroth81]

Anyone who has played here for awhile and is familiar with coin flip would you say the game is playing differently now then how it was a week ago?

For me and others, it seems that they have stepped up the level of rigging to where it is actually changing the outcome of the game in real time.

I know ppl will claim "probably fair" but that's a load of bull just to make games seem fair to attract users. This game is literally doing the exact opposite of what I do. It's learning and predicting my moves and doing what I just did right after I did it.

It's messed up because for us not familiar with developing and all the complex technical stuff it's hard for us to even describe the situation.

And that's nothing new. Ppl in tech always abuse their power and knowledge and take advantage of the uninformed and I'm positive BC is not the "fair and transparent" casino they claim to be. 

Another user told me they even changed the algo for crash back in April. They supposedly announced it and told people but I didn't hear about it until now. That too caused me to suffer massive losses.

I just think it's fucked up how they do this shit without making sure people know.

I get that if the game is too easy and too many people are profiting off it they will go out of business and so they need to make changes to make it profitable for themselves.

But the level of rigging involved now with coin flip is absurd. Typically a game gets harder as a player moves further into profit the algo gets harder that is understandable.

The way BC has coin flip now is it just rapes the fuck out of your bankroll and doesn't allow the slightest profit.

If you still manage to come up a few bucks it will literally go crazy and not let you get a single win at all whatsoever.

It's like they got greedier and want to make more money or something but it's fucked.

Anyone relate?

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[Beparanf]

Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

[astaroth81]

Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

No I have yet to find the announcement BC supposedly made in April about the algo change for crash. All I can say is that I was making a decent profit on crash back at the start of April then in mid-late April I noticed something changed and the game was acting differently. The same now with coin flip. For a while I was actually in profit at this casino now I am deep in loss due to these changes.

Like you said, it's difficult to prove and they definitely know that and use it to their advantage. There's no way these games are truly random because RNG is not truly random since they are comouter generated there is a visible pattern always and after playing a game for some time and getting used to said pattern, for them to change the algorithm and change the pattern without telling people is such a dirty thing to do.

Many people agree with me too and are all upset.  The game was never a cake walk. It always presented a challenge but now it's just impossible and it sucks because in my mind it's programmed to think it will play like before so I kept trying like an idiot and kept losing and losing and now I've lost so damned much it's crazy.

I blame myself for that if course but these bastards need to tell people when they change a game like this it isn't right.

And it's obvious it's rigged when you play it. It will go on these streaks out of nowhere and only switch when you choose the other side. It happens way too much to be a coincidence.

Not only that, but it will allow you to get a high multiplier only when your bet is low enough so that it won't be profitable. Like I got 2000x with minimum bet. As soon I raised it it went back to the fucked shit and drained my bankroll.

Fucked up dirty tactics from someone I thought I could trust. 

[Beparanf]

Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

Many people agree with me too and are all upset.  The game was never a cake walk. It always presented a challenge but now it's just impossible and it sucks because in my mind it's programmed to think it will play like before so I kept trying like an idiot and kept losing and losing and now I've lost so damned much it's crazy.

I blame myself for that if course but these bastards need to tell people when they change a game like this it isn't right.

Ofcourse many people will agree to you since many of them are those who lose in the casino which is very common since this game is pure random. BC.game has a solid reputation here so accusing them without a solid proof will just look like that you are just whining because you are already losing on the casino after your early winning.

If you really feel BC.game is not honest with their game. Just report them to the license provider so that they can check the probably fair system of the casino. BC.game will not allow anyone to look on it except to license provider. That’s your only way to prove that their games is rigged instead of creating scam accusation against them using your intuition as proof.

[Saint-loup]

Anyone who has played here for awhile and is familiar with coin flip would you say the game is playing differently now then how it was a week ago?

For me and others, it seems that they have stepped up the level of rigging to where it is actually changing the outcome of the game in real time.

I know ppl will claim "probably fair" but that's a load of bull just to make games seem fair to attract users. This game is literally doing the exact opposite of what I do. It's learning and predicting my moves and doing what I just did right after I did it.

It's messed up because for us not familiar with developing and all the complex technical stuff it's hard for us to even describe the situation.
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Unfortunately the more you gamble the more you are likely to encounter a long losing streak one day, as you are likely to encounter a winning one. But because of the nature of the gambling games and their house edge, you are more likely to lose money than to earn some at the end. If you really think an AI or an algorithm is learning how you are playing why don't you just try to thwart it?

[hopenotlate]

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... "probably fair" ...
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The answer to your doubts is in the question  itself 

[CarnagexD]

Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

Change of algo could be a change in the pattern in a way the game has been played before. Sometimes those games being rigged especially on online casinos come in many ways such as interrupting ads, glitching on screens, intentional lagging interface, and automatic reloading of the link. IN this way pattern changed in the game. Or it may feel like the game is forcing you to lose money and continuously go against your initial bet.

I think if you're playing a game that you believed is rigged, you won't enjoy it. So why bother playing it. The same remains with the other games that rely on the probability which remains uncertain on individual bets but only in a large sample size.

[Mahdirakib]

No I have yet to find the announcement BC supposedly made in April about the algo change for crash.

BC.game had changed the salted hash of some in-house games in the May month of this year. And they had made an announcement about it in the forum. In the announcement, the representative has mentioned that they are changing the salted hash to improve the 'provable fairness' of the games.

In our endeavor to constantly improve seed safety and provable fairness of our games, we will shortly be updating our crash,roulette,baccarat and keno with a new salted hash. The purpose of this post is for full transparency of this process.

Their representative had also made a post about it in their ANN thread. Perhaps, they haven't made any changes on the server to make the game rigged. I think you are just unhappy with your losing streak. Either change your betting strategy or play at a different casino.

[astaroth81]

Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

Change of algo could be a change in the pattern in a way the game has been played before. Sometimes those games being rigged especially on online casinos come in many ways such as interrupting ads, glitching on screens, intentional lagging interface, and automatic reloading of the link. IN this way pattern changed in the game. Or it may feel like the game is forcing you to lose money and continuously go against your initial bet.

I think if you're playing a game that you believed is rigged, you won't enjoy it. So why bother playing it. The same remains with the other games that rely on the probability which remains uncertain on individual bets but only in a large sample size.

It had always been my top 3 favorite games that I can go to when I am down to help recover losses and now I don't even have that anymore so it's just ruined that whole casino completely and I'm very upset because I really liked BC and don't understand why they would do this especially at a time when the market was heading upwards and everyone has increased profits. Doesn't make any sense.

[goldkingcoiner]

Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

I agree that it is very hard to prove that the casino is cheating its users but I do not think that you can push aside the proof of mathematical statistics like that. If anything, statistics, as long as you have very large sample sizes, would be a very good method to prove that the casino is indeed doing something unbecoming, like changing their algorithm in their own favor. But that sample size would have to be extremely large. So technically it would be possible, just extremely expensive to prove OP's theory. And since OP is going on a whim, based completely on his feeling that something is "off", I do not think its worthwhile to test his theory...

I sometimes get the feeling that I am being cheated, as well, when I am on a losing streak. But that is my own subjective view, based on my emotional state at the time.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

It's been a very long time, like about 5 to 6 months now since I last played on bc games, and I also do not have any plans of playing there anytime soon, but then, I understand that one thing that is constant is change..

They probably might have done some upgrades that for sure, casinos do that frequently mostly to make sure they keep their system and games running smoothly and safe from vulnerabilities, but the if like you(the op) claim that the game algo has been altered, there is no way for us to verify this claim either it be true of false, all I can say which I think is fair enough is that, if you are no longer comfortable playing on bc games, nothing stops you from try another casino rather than complaining.

[astaroth81]

It's been a very long time, like about 5 to 6 months now since I last played on bc games, and I also do not have any plans of playing there anytime soon, but then, I understand that one thing that is constant is change..

They probably might have done some upgrades that for sure, casinos do that frequently mostly to make sure they keep their system and games running smoothly and safe from vulnerabilities, but the if like you(the op) claim that the game algo has been altered, there is no way for us to verify this claim either it be true of false, all I can say which I think is fair enough is that, if you are no longer comfortable playing on bc games, nothing stops you from try another casino rather than complaining.

I have tried many other casinos and BC is the one I liked the best. It has the nicest, smoothest UI with decent bonuses etc. so it's a major bummer that they did this and I really just don't get it as long term I can't imagine it will be as profitable for them in the long term.

[Kakmakr]

The casinos does not change the algorithm of the games, they just increase or decrease the RTP (Return to Player) for the games. So if the split was 96% to the player and 4% to the house.... then they just change it to $93 to the player and 7% to the house.

It might also be that for 3rd party games, that they might alter the variance of the games, which is one of the other factors that are used to determine the outcome of the bets. (Slots)

The bets are still Provably Fair, because the Client Seed / Server Seed and RNG has not changed. 

[astaroth81]

The casinos does not change the algorithm of the games, they just increase or decrease the RTP (Return to Player) for the games. So if the split was 96% to the player and 4% to the house.... then they just change it to $93 to the player and 7% to the house.

It might also be that for 3rd party games, that they might alter the variance of the games, which is one of the other factors that are used to determine the outcome of the bets. (Slots)

The bets are still Provably Fair, because the Client Seed / Server Seed and RNG has not changed. 

Sometimes I feel like they have a switch that makes the games harder or easier.  I've noticed when BTC is in an uptrend, the games generally are easier and payout much more but when in downtrend it's the opposite. A

Also for crash, it's clear that they must have control maybe not over the exact outcome but in the range of where that number will land.  Crash can hit any multiplier from 1 to 40,000x (highest I've ever seen) and yet it mostly hits between 1-3x. If it was truly random I think it would hit a wider range of numbers and not be so limited to one area over the next.

Have you read about their degenpass? Supposedly their degenpass nft if held in a bc wallet will increase a players edge against the house to 98%. So that too is another clue that they definitely have a way of manipulating the RTP like you say. 

[QueenVera]

Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

From what op said, I don't think there should be a form of prove except we try out the games ourselves, but op i hate it when people come out to speak ill of others businesses especially  in an open space like this which you know isn't right at all.
I haven't used BC games but I've known them on the forum to be cool  and I want to know if you ever tried contacting  them and I wouldn't have to blame them if there are cases that seem like this because I'm sure they know it will be a bad reputation  for them as a company  if players always complain of losses and if coin flip which is a random game has such issue, what they would simply  do is contact the game provider and that should do the trick.
But there is one thing I've also noticed in gambling,  when the losses are getting much, gamblers begin to feel cheated and I hope that's not the case with op.

[swogerino]

The casinos does not change the algorithm of the games, they just increase or decrease the RTP (Return to Player) for the games. So if the split was 96% to the player and 4% to the house.... then they just change it to $93 to the player and 7% to the house.

It might also be that for 3rd party games, that they might alter the variance of the games, which is one of the other factors that are used to determine the outcome of the bets. (Slots)

The bets are still Provably Fair, because the Client Seed / Server Seed and RNG has not changed. 

Sometimes I feel like they have a switch that makes the games harder or easier.  I've noticed when BTC is in an uptrend, the games generally are easier and payout much more but when in downtrend it's the opposite. A

Also for crash, it's clear that they must have control maybe not over the exact outcome but in the range of where that number will land.  Crash can hit any multiplier from 1 to 40,000x (highest I've ever seen) and yet it mostly hits between 1-3x. If it was truly random I think it would hit a wider range of numbers and not be so limited to one area over the next.

Have you read about their degenpass? Supposedly their degenpass nft if held in a bc wallet will increase a players edge against the house to 98%. So that too is another clue that they definitely have a way of manipulating the RTP like you say. 

Every casino can alter their RTP in different games,not all of them but most slot providers offers such an option to the casino,Play n Go being the most well known to offer different levels of RTP so the casino can choose what they see fit for their business.

You just have to trust the casino that the RTP displayed in the description of the game is real,you have absolutely no way of finding out if it is altered or not,in order to avoid such thing you can play sport bets,the casino cannot do anything there against you.

[piebeyb]

If you don't feel comfortable playing there because you think their system is unfair you can leave it because there are lots of casinos that might be fair to you out there, but I've played on this site everything looks normal the same as playing in other casinos BTW don't we all knowing that the bookie will always win, I really don't think how the casino will give out free money to you and other users.

When you gamble, that's where you will face risks in every game so don't think that bc.games is cheating or greedy, while they also make the casino to make money not to share money, you can gamble on sports betting which is much fairer than casinos because We know that every casino game isn't completely fair and I don't believe any system of odds is fair either. always remember that the house will always win. when you want to win stop when you win even though it's very difficult because of our greed.

[astaroth81]

Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

From what op said, I don't think there should be a form of prove except we try out the games ourselves, but op i hate it when people come out to speak ill of others businesses especially  in an open space like this which you know isn't right at all.
I haven't used BC games but I've known them on the forum to be cool  and I want to know if you ever tried contacting  them and I wouldn't have to blame them if there are cases that seem like this because I'm sure they know it will be a bad reputation  for them as a company  if players always complain of losses and if coin flip which is a random game has such issue, what they would simply  do is contact the game provider and that should do the trick.
But there is one thing I've also noticed in gambling,  when the losses are getting much, gamblers begin to feel cheated and I hope that's not the case with op.

Of course I have I made several comments on the game itself where they allow reviews of the game to be posted and you know what? My comments were removed mostly one comment was kept but most were removed and I was disabled from commenting further after a mod replied to me and gave me the whole talk about gambling being risky etc when that was completely irrelevant to what I was saying. If they truly had nothing to hide then why remove my comments and other people's comments too who have pointed out that the game's game play has changed recently and it seems to be very rigged now??

Why would the mod reply to my comment then disable me from commenting so I can not reply back? That is some shady tactics. Yes I might have used bad language in some comments but not in all I just mainly tried to point out and explain how the coin seems to be manipulated somehow that is really it. Other comments were more vulgar I think saying "fuck bc" etc. but some others were also saying "this is rigged" and stuff.

I also have made comments about it in chat.


I contacted my VIP host who after I lost over 15K on this game due to this issue gave me a total of about $90 lossback.

I also messaged support many times trying to ask them if the algo was ever changed for this game or any other game and finally one did respond the other day and said no changed were ever made which isn't true because for crash the hash was changed in April.

[Crypt0Gore]

We've discussed something like this few times before, Op there is no way to detect if an online casino rigged its games, you could try but in the end it leads to a dead end, all we have to rely on is the reputation of the online casino itself, it's why I tell friends that loves gambling to avoid sticking with a gambling casino if all they keep getting is losses non-stop, feel free to move to other casino and try your luck, I can guarantee you that you will win more on one than the other and also if you plan to be a good gambler you need to always gamble responsibly, because losses will keep knocking on your door more than winning.

To lose money is normal in a gambler's life so it's better to be safe out there, play your games wisely and expect more losses than you will win, always gamble with money you can afford to lose, rigged casino or not, losing is inevitable.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

It's been a very long time, like about 5 to 6 months now since I last played on bc games, and I also do not have any plans of playing there anytime soon, but then, I understand that one thing that is constant is change..

They probably might have done some upgrades that for sure, casinos do that frequently mostly to make sure they keep their system and games running smoothly and safe from vulnerabilities, but the if like you(the op) claim that the game algo has been altered, there is no way for us to verify this claim either it be true of false, all I can say which I think is fair enough is that, if you are no longer comfortable playing on bc games, nothing stops you from try another casino rather than complaining.

I have tried many other casinos and BC is the one I liked the best. It has the nicest, smoothest UI with decent bonuses etc. so it's a major bummer that they did this and I really just don't get it as long term I can't imagine it will be as profitable for them in the long term.

Well, same reason I said what I said, "one thing that is constant is change" is a common saying which I believe you've heard or read countless times, and I also use that phrase quite frequently here..

I have been on the internet long enough to never feel disappointed anymore when a platform I've so gotten used to, turns around and make some major changes which greatly affects my experience with them, there is no system any where in the world that stays the same way it was built for so so long time, even a computer, motor car wears down as time pass, due to constant usage..

Since bc games have decided to make some changes which I believe you are not happy about, you have two choices, either to ignore and continue playing there, or move on to another casino.