Wasabi wallet data privacy questions

[arabspaceship123]

We’ve read Wasabi wallet shouldn't be used because they're using blockchain analysis companies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62421785#msg62421785. I don't know everything about their relationship so I'm asking questions about info they're storing or sharing.

Which data gets transmitted to zkSNACKs when Wasabi wallet opens in Win 11?

If wallet1 has 10 transactions, wallet2 has 10 transactions, wallet3 has 2 transactions are they linked to the same user by zkSNACKs or it's 22 anonymous transactions which zkSNACKs can't link to the same user?

Do zkSNACKs store any data to link users from received<>sent addresses after mixing?

Which info does zkSNACKs share with blockchain companies is it limited to scanning incoming mixes for analysis?

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[Z-tight]

Nobody knows this information, because Wasabi won't tell.

The blockchain analysis company they are funding was even kept a secret, before they were exposed that it was Coinfirm, and yet Wasabi still claims to be the ultimate privacy solution, when they are clearly working with a pro-censorship service to spy on people's UTXO.

Even if Wasabi and zkSNACKs publish the criteria for blacklisting certain UTXO, it will not change the fact that they can blacklist any UTXO for any reason they decide at all, and surely they are storing and sharing data with a blockchain analysis firm, if not how then will they spy on their customers.

[Yamane_Keto]

It doesn't matter how much data Wasabi wallet knows but from who are you trying to hide your data?

If it is from Wasabi wallet aka zkSNACKs, according to the some open data, they can know all the addresses associated with the CoinJoin process, down to your IP addresses, and all the details of your addresses or addresses that you may generate in the future.
But with this data they cannot identify you as you can enhance your privacy by running a full node using TOR and using an additional mixing layers.

The problem is if those trying to search for you are law enforcement agencies like the FBI, they can contact Google, Apple, Bing, Microsoft, coinbase, some electrum servers, block explorers, zzz, etc. Then trying to hide your identity may be next to impossible. Remember, the owner of ChipMixer has been tracked down and arrested. https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1574581/download

if you care about your privacy, Wasabi wallet is not a privacy option.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If wallet1 has 10 transactions, wallet2 has 10 transactions, wallet3 has 2 transactions are they linked to the same user by zkSNACKs or it's 22 anonymous transactions which zkSNACKs can't link to the same user?

Technically, they shouldn't be. Wasabi uses block filters, and they say that each relevant block is downloaded over Tor from a different node, preventing any one node from learning about which addresses are being queried by the same user. You can of course improve on this by linking Wasabi to your own node. Whether or not Wasabi are gathering data elsewhere I can't comment as I'm not going to read every line of code for a product I'm never going to use, but I wouldn't trust their word on literally anything.

Do zkSNACKs store any data to link users from received<>sent addresses after mixing?

We don't know and they won't tell us.

Which info does zkSNACKs share with blockchain companies is it limited to scanning incoming mixes for analysis?

We don't know and they won't tell us.

[NotATether]

Which data gets transmitted to zkSNACKs when Wasabi wallet opens in Win 11?

If you want, you can open up Wireshark and see what network packets are being transmitted from the Wasabi application. Oven that it's open-source, it shouldn't be too hard to see what kind of data is being phoned home, though I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly UTXOs, addresses, and raw coinjoin transactions.

[arabspaceship123]

The blockchain analysis company they are funding was even kept a secret, before they were exposed that it was Coinfirm, and yet Wasabi still claims to be the ultimate privacy solution, when they are clearly working with a pro-censorship service to spy on people's UTXO.

They should've been honest from the beginning. They've lost the trust of their users who didn't know about blockchain analysis companies being hired.

At very least, we know chosen UTXO for CoinJoin process will be sent to blockchain analysis company. But besides that and their legal document[1], we don't know. And as reminder, Windows OS have poor privacy.

UTXOs being sent to blockchain analysis company has caused reputational problems for Wasabi wallet. It won't sustain a healthy market share of mixers if it can't be trusted.

[1] https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/blob/master/WalletWasabi/Legal/Assets/LegalDocumentsWw2.txt

I don't like what I've seen about zkSNACKs but they're saying they don't collect data which is used to identify you. I know it's about not trusting them but we don't know how much.

If wallet1 has 10 transactions, wallet2 has 10 transactions, wallet3 has 2 transactions are they linked to the same user by zkSNACKs or it's 22 anonymous transactions which zkSNACKs can't link to the same user?

Technically, they shouldn't be. Wasabi uses block filters, and they say that each relevant block is downloaded over Tor from a different node, preventing any one node from learning about which addresses are being queried by the same user. You can of course improve on this by linking Wasabi to your own node. Whether or not Wasabi are gathering data elsewhere I can't comment as I'm not going to read every line of code for a product I'm never going to use, but I wouldn't trust their word on literally anything.

Does zkSNACKs have access to wallet names you've created on Win11?

Do zkSNACKs store any data to link users from received<>sent addresses after mixing?

We don't know and they won't tell us.

Which info does zkSNACKs share with blockchain companies is it limited to scanning incoming mixes for analysis?

We don't know and they won't tell us.

If they aren't disclosing it they can't be trusted. I'll ask in the WasabiWallet.io thread where Kruw is active. Their dev shouldn't hesitate answering.

Which data gets transmitted to zkSNACKs when Wasabi wallet opens in Win 11?

If you want, you can open up Wireshark and see what network packets are being transmitted from the Wasabi application. Oven that it's open-source, it shouldn't be too hard to see what kind of data is being phoned home, though I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly UTXOs, addresses, and raw coinjoin transactions.

Thanks. It wouldn't be surprising if you've guessed right but I don't want to make a transaction on Wasabi wallet to get the info.

[Kruw]

We’ve read Wasabi wallet shouldn't be used because they're using blockchain analysis companies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62421785#msg62421785. I don't know everything about their relationship so I'm asking questions about info they're storing or sharing.

Wasabi does not store or share any data with blockchain analysis companies. Your client never shares your xpub address with any third parties, including the coordinator, since it uses BIP158 compact block filters.  Your client never shares your IP address with any third parties, including the coordinator, since it uses Tor.

Which data gets transmitted to zkSNACKs when Wasabi wallet opens in Win 11?

When you open the wallet, you begin downloading block filters from the coordinator over Tor.  No identifiable data is transmitted since your IP address is protected.

If wallet1 has 10 transactions, wallet2 has 10 transactions, wallet3 has 2 transactions are they linked to the same user by zkSNACKs or it's 22 anonymous transactions which zkSNACKs can't link to the same user?

That would appear to zkSNACKs as 22 anonymous transactions that can't be linked to any user.

Do zkSNACKs store any data to link users from received<>sent addresses after mixing?

No, the Wasabi client prevents data from being leaked to the coordinator.  Users never link their addresses together because every input and output in the coinjoin is registered with a single use Tor identity.

Which info does zkSNACKs share with blockchain companies is it limited to scanning incoming mixes for analysis?

None, zkSNACKs purchases info from blockchain companies, zkSNACKs cannot sell any info to them because Wasabi is purposely designed not to reveal any data about its users.

Nobody knows this information, because Wasabi won't tell.

The blockchain analysis company they are funding was even kept a secret, before they were exposed that it was Coinfirm, and yet Wasabi still claims to be the ultimate privacy solution, when they are clearly working with a pro-censorship service to spy on people's UTXO.

Even if Wasabi and zkSNACKs publish the criteria for blacklisting certain UTXO, it will not change the fact that they can blacklist any UTXO for any reason they decide at all, and surely they are storing and sharing data with a blockchain analysis firm, if not how then will they spy on their customers.

This is completely wrong, everyone can verify for themselves that Wasabi does not leak any of their data because all of the code is open source, just like Bitcoin itself: https://github.com/zkSnacks/WalletWasabi

And as reminder, Windows OS have poor privacy.

You can use Wasabi with Linux or Mac if you would like - https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/blob/master/WalletWasabi.Documentation/WasabiCompatibility.md

If it is from Wasabi wallet aka zkSNACKs, according to the some open data, they can know all the addresses associated with the CoinJoin process, down to your IP addresses, and all the details of your addresses or addresses that you may generate in the future.
But with this data they cannot identify you as you can enhance your privacy by running a full node using TOR and using an additional mixing layers.

This sort of data collection happens by default in wallets like Samourai which expose your IP address and xpub address, but Wasabi is specifically designed so zkSNACKs (or any coordinator you choose) never learns your wallet addresses or IP address since Tor is on by default and your addresses are never linked even when you don't run a node thanks to BIP158 compact block filters - https://bips.xyz/158

Do zkSNACKs store any data to link users from received<>sent addresses after mixing?

We don't know and they won't tell us.

Which info does zkSNACKs share with blockchain companies is it limited to scanning incoming mixes for analysis?

We don't know and they won't tell us.

You do know, the answer is "none" because Wasabi does not reveal any data to them.  zkSNACKs is very proud of their zero data collection policy and talks about it all the time, how could you miss it?

https://twitter.com/wasabiwallet/status/1678694963712802816
https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-means-zero-knowledge/

[Synchronice]

We’ve read Wasabi wallet shouldn't be used because they're using blockchain analysis companies https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62421785#msg62421785. I don't know everything about their relationship so I'm asking questions about info they're storing or sharing.

Wasabi does not store or share any data with blockchain analysis companies. Your client never shares your xpub address with any third parties, including the coordinator, since it uses BIP158 compact block filters.  Your client never shares your IP address with any third parties, including the coordinator, since it uses Tor.

Hmm, this is a very interesting quote of o_e_l_e_o which I remembered, what about this?

Here's some fun code from Wasabi (https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/blob/795496595fae2f52730e1556bb6cafd2c649bb97/WalletWasabi.Tests/UnitTests/WabiSabi/Backend/CoinVerifierTests.cs#L133-L142):

Code:

ScheduleVerifications(coinVerifier, generatedCoins);
		foreach (var item in await coinVerifier.VerifyCoinsAsync(generatedCoins, CancellationToken.None))
		{
			if (item.ShouldBan)
			{
				naughtyCoins.Add(item.Coin);
			}
		}

		Assert.Empty(naughtyCoins); // Empty, so we won't kick out anyone from the CJ round.

Are your coins "naughty"? Once Wasabi have spied on them and made that decision, then you will be banned from coinjoining them with Wasabi. Add in the fact that they suffer from endemic address reuse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419000.msg61220171#msg61220171, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62085316#msg62085316), and I would steer well clear of ever using Wasabi.

None, zkSNACKs purchases info from blockchain companies, zkSNACKs cannot sell any info to them because Wasabi is purposely designed not to reveal any data about its users.

Hmm, sounds interesting

[o_e_l_e_o]

None, zkSNACKs purchases info from blockchain companies, zkSNACKs cannot sell any info to them because Wasabi is purposely designed not to reveal any data about its users.

Hmm, sounds interesting

This is not news. We've known for a long time this is exactly what Wasabi are doing - directly funding blockchain analysis companies with the fees that you pay for coinjoining through Wasabi. Isn't it fun paying for the privilege of being spied on and censored!?

You try to register an input for coinjoin, Wasabi hand that input over to Coinfirm and ask them for all the dirt they have on your input, and then decide whether or not you are allowed to spend your coins in the way that you want. If you are not allowed, they won't tell you why, of course.

Just like Satoshi envisioned! No third parties, except for ones who will censor you and charge you a fee for doing so!

[arabspaceship123]

@kruw thanks I'll ask other questions after analysing your replies. It doesn't look like zkSNACKs are keeping info which links users after mixes but it's about trusting what they're saying.

You try to register an input for coinjoin, Wasabi hand that input over to Coinfirm and ask them for all the dirt they have on your input, and then decide whether or not you are allowed to spend your coins in the way that you want. If you are not allowed, they won't tell you why, of course.

I don't intend using Wasabi wallet because their rep isn't good but isn't examining incoming UTXOs for stolen coins different from sweeping customers data? People are against zkSNACKs using blockchain analysis so they're getting a tough time in the Wasabi Wallet thread but is all of it justified?

And as reminder, Windows OS have poor privacy.

You can use Wasabi with Linux or Mac if you would like - https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/blob/master/WalletWasabi.Documentation/WasabiCompatibility.md

That's true. It's just reminder for OP since he have some privacy concern, but implies that he use Windows OS.

My wallet tests were on Win 11 using good security solutions. It isn't the safest but it's the biggest OS. I'm happy I've tested other wallets on Windows Fun & learning with Electrum EPS, Electrum wallet & Bitcoin Core QT in Win 11

[o_e_l_e_o]

People are against zkSNACKs using blockchain analysis so they're getting a tough time in the Wasabi Wallet thread but is all of it justified?

Yes, it is justified. You can't market yourself as a privacy solution while simultaneously directly funding entities whose only purpose is to tear apart of every shred of privacy they can. Contrary to the lies they tell, Wasabi are anti-privacy, anti-fungibility, pro-surveillance, and pro-censorship.

My wallet tests were on Win 11 using good security solutions. It isn't the safest but it's the biggest OS.

I would direct you to a previous post I made regarding Windows here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190776.msg52685703#msg52685703. If you are using Windows, you should assume your privacy is zero.

[arabspaceship123]

People are against zkSNACKs using blockchain analysis so they're getting a tough time in the Wasabi Wallet thread but is all of it justified?

Yes, it is justified. You can't market yourself as a privacy solution while simultaneously directly funding entities whose only purpose is to tear apart of every shred of privacy they can. Contrary to the lies they tell, Wasabi are anti-privacy, anti-fungibility, pro-surveillance, and pro-censorship.

Wasabi wallet being marketed as a privacy solution while simultaneously funding blockchain analysis is contradicting. I haven't seen data they're doing excessive bad things. Analysing incoming coins for naughty status isn't the biggest crime if it's designed to stop crime. If my wallet's hacked coins were sent to any address on its way to Wasabi for mixing I'd be happy if they succeeded in stopping coinjoins so I'm not getting why that makes people upset. If they're storing data without telling us Wasabi shouldn't be used because they're lying.

Which data's being stored by zkSNACKs in this transaction if I'm using Wasabi wallet. If they're all unused addresses on Electrum wallets can zkSNACKs stored data cause them to be linked?

o_e_l_e_o sends 0.1 btc to arabspaceship123
arabspaceship123 sends 0.1 btc to Wasabi wallet
Wasabi wallet sends mixed 0.1 btc to arabspaceship123
arabspaceship123 sends 0.05 btc to o_e_l_e_o
arabspaceship123 sends 0.05 btc to theymos

My wallet tests were on Win 11 using good security solutions. It isn't the safest but it's the biggest OS.

I would direct you to a previous post I made regarding Windows here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190776.msg52685703#msg52685703. If you are using Windows, you should assume your privacy is zero.

I've read the post. It made me research Windows OS. I've found articles about Microsoft data policy. It's data nightmare. Microsoft aren't open about their data sharing policy.

Thanks for the warnings. I won't give up using Win 11 today it'll take time. When I'm ready I'll create another fun & learning thread to cover Bitcoin Core, Electrum, Electrum Personal Server & Linux Mint. If it works I'll take my Bitcoin node to Linux.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Analysing incoming coins for naughty status isn't the biggest crime if it's designed to stop crime.

This is the same old nonsense argument governments always use to erode your rights and surveil their population. Mass surveillance is designed to stop crime. Phone tapping is designed to stop crime. Banning encryption is designed to stop crime. Putting a government back door in all your devices is designed to stop crime. Reading all your emails and IMs is designed to stop crime. It is complete bullshit. There is no evidence that mass surveillance has ever managed to prevent a single incident of terrorism. It's not about preventing crime. It's never been about preventing crime. It's about control:

The old cliché is often mocked though basically true: there’s no reason to worry about surveillance if you have nothing to hide. That mindset creates the incentive to be as compliant and inconspicuous as possible: those who think that way decide it’s in their best interests to provide authorities with as little reason as possible to care about them. That’s accomplished by never stepping out of line. Those willing to live their lives that way will be indifferent to the loss of privacy because they feel that they lose nothing from it. Above all else, that’s what a Surveillance State does: it breeds fear of doing anything out of the ordinary by creating a class of meek citizens who know they are being constantly watched.

Which data's being stored by zkSNACKs in this transaction if I'm using Wasabi wallet.

Wasabi pay Coinfirm to investigate the output you are registering for coinjoin. So Coinfirm will absolutely be looking at the history of that output and seeing where it came from. If any of the previous addresses have ever been linked to an identity (such as via KYC, via addresses being shared publicly, via connecting to third party servers, via other transaction heuristics, etc.) then that will be identified and Coinfirm will be storing, sharing, and selling, that information on to other third parties.

[arabspaceship123]

Analysing incoming coins for naughty status isn't the biggest crime if it's designed to stop crime.

This is the same old nonsense argument governments always use to erode your rights and surveil their population. Mass surveillance is designed to stop crime. Phone tapping is designed to stop crime. Banning encryption is designed to stop crime. Putting a government back door in all your devices is designed to stop crime. Reading all your emails and IMs is designed to stop crime. It is complete bullshit. There is no evidence that mass surveillance has ever managed to prevent a single incident of terrorism. It's not about preventing crime. It's never been about preventing crime. It's about control:

The old cliché is often mocked though basically true: there’s no reason to worry about surveillance if you have nothing to hide. That mindset creates the incentive to be as compliant and inconspicuous as possible: those who think that way decide it’s in their best interests to provide authorities with as little reason as possible to care about them. That’s accomplished by never stepping out of line. Those willing to live their lives that way will be indifferent to the loss of privacy because they feel that they lose nothing from it. Above all else, that’s what a Surveillance State does: it breeds fear of doing anything out of the ordinary by creating a class of meek citizens who know they are being constantly watched.

In your opinion what's right to do if your wallet with 1 btc gets hacked. On blockchain you trace funds were sent to wallet bc1xx so you report it to police. A month later the coins moved to Binance. Soon your coins will be returned because they've been seized after blockchain analysis. That's happening now with exchanges so it can't be a bad process reuniting owners with stolen coins.

Scanning incoming UTXOs in Wasabi wallet it's the same as Binance or other exchanges doing it. What they're doing with data isn't clear. If it's being misused for unfair data collecting after it's completed its purpose it shouldn't be used. I don't trust any companies to voluntarily delete data after if they're able to profit from it.

Which data's being stored by zkSNACKs in this transaction if I'm using Wasabi wallet.

Wasabi pay Coinfirm to investigate the output you are registering for coinjoin. So Coinfirm will absolutely be looking at the history of that output and seeing where it came from. If any of the previous addresses have ever been linked to an identity (such as via KYC, via addresses being shared publicly, via connecting to third party servers, via other transaction heuristics, etc.) then that will be identified and Coinfirm will be storing, sharing, and selling, that information on to other third parties.

I believe if they've got it they'll sell it so asking data questions about what they're doing by separating wrong info from facts is crucial.

I've a new example for transactions
tx1 Satoshi uses Binance sends 0.1 btc to arabspaceship123 Electrum wallet 1
tx2 arabspaceship123 Electrum wallet 1 sends 0.1 btc to Wasabi wallet for mix
tx3 Wasabi wallet use Coinfirm for analysis
tx4 Wasabi wallet allows coinjoins sends mixed 0.1 btc to arabspaceship123 Electrum wallet 2
tx5 arabspaceship123 Electrum wallet 2 sends 0.05 btc to Satoshi Exodus Wallet
tx6 arabspaceship123 Electrum wallet 2 sends 0.04 btc to Satoshi Bitcoin Core wallet
tx7 arabspaceship123 Electrum wallet 2 sends 0.01 btc to arabspaceship123 Electrum wallet 3

Is this belief accurate?
It's been mentioned zkSNACKs can't link incoming UTXO's to outgoing UTXO's so that's good for privacy if true. They aren't storing ip address or device id when using Wasabi wallet. They're storing the address used by Satoshi in tx1 before coinjoins but aren't storing tx details after mixing so they can't link anything between tx2-7.

[o_e_l_e_o]

In your opinion what's right to do if your wallet with 1 btc gets hacked. On blockchain you trace funds were sent to wallet bc1xx so you report it to police. A month later the coins moved to Binance. Soon your coins will be returned because they've been seized after blockchain analysis. That's happening now with exchanges so it can't be a bad process reuniting owners with stolen coins.

There is a difference between a centralized exchange responding to police requests, and a so called "privacy" wallet enforcing censorship based on secret blacklists. There is no presumption of privacy if you use Binance, and they certainly don't market themselves as the ultimate privacy solution as Wasabi do. For every criminal's coins which are seized, there are dozens of innocent users also having coins seized because Binance have decided they are tainted or some other such bullshit.

If you lose your coins, then that sucks for you and I'm sorry to hear it, but I will never defend compromising the privacy of everyone else who uses bitcoin to make up for your mistakes, just as I will never defend mass surveillance of an entire country to stop a single criminal.

It's been mentioned zkSNACKs can't link incoming UTXO's to outgoing UTXO's so that's good for privacy if true.

This is true, provided you are lucky enough to get your coins in to a Wasabi coinjoin which does not have a critical flaw, of which there are many. But that's also the bare minimum you want from a coinjoin, and you can achieve it without using Wasabi spyware via either Whirlpool or JoinMarket.

[arabspaceship123]

There is a difference between a centralized exchange responding to police requests, and a so called "privacy" wallet enforcing censorship based on secret blacklists. There is no presumption of privacy if you use Binance, and they certainly don't market themselves as the ultimate privacy solution as Wasabi do. For every criminal's coins which are seized, there are dozens of innocent users also having coins seized because Binance have decided they are tainted or some other such bullshit.

Privacy wallets can't store data there's a contradiction in zkSNACKs philosophy. How many savers suffered when centralised exchanges designated coins as tainted it's a loss for owners.

If you lose your coins, then that sucks for you and I'm sorry to hear it, but I will never defend compromising the privacy of everyone else who uses bitcoin to make up for your mistakes, just as I will never defend mass surveillance of an entire country to stop a single criminal.

Thanks you've explained it that way. I didn't reject it I wanted to know what they're storing when using Wasabi wallet. If we don't know data they're storing we can't confront them.

It's been mentioned zkSNACKs can't link incoming UTXO's to outgoing UTXO's so that's good for privacy if true.

This is true, provided you are lucky enough to get your coins in to a Wasabi coinjoin which does not have a critical flaw, of which there are many. But that's also the bare minimum you want from a coinjoin, and you can achieve it without using Wasabi spyware via either Whirlpool or JoinMarket.

Whirpool you mean Samourai? I've reported about how Sparrow wallet wasn't something I'll use because of delays in mixing. My previous experience means I won't use Sparrow but I'm looking at Joinmarket.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Whirpool you mean Samourai?

Yes. Samourai is the name of the team/wallet behind the Whirlpool implementation of coinjoin. Whirlpool is also accessible via Sparrow, with other wallets in the works I believe.

My previous experience means I won't use Sparrow but I'm looking at Joinmarket.

I'm 99% certain the link you have included there is a scam site. I've never heard of it before despite using JoinMarket for years, there is no mention of that site whatsoever on the JoinMarket github, and the download link directs to a .exe file which does not exist on the github releases (https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/releases).

You should only download JoinMarket from the releases link I have given above and verify the download with the provided PGP signatures before installation. I'm pretty sure that .exe file will be malware.

[arabspaceship123]

My previous experience means I won't use Sparrow but I'm looking at Joinmarket.

I'm 99% certain the link you have included there is a scam site. I've never heard of it before despite using JoinMarket for years, there is no mention of that site whatsoever on the JoinMarket github, and the download link directs to a .exe file which does not exist on the github releases (https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/releases).

Thanks for amazing help o_e_l_e_o I wasn't focused so nearly download the malware from the fake Joinmarket site. It's safer I'll postpone using Joinmarket until I've set up Linux on old Mac I've come to own that'll be an experience learning as I ask questions.

You should only download JoinMarket from the releases link I have given above and verify the download with the provided PGP signatures before installation. I'm pretty sure that .exe file will be malware.

Running software without verifying downloads will lead to infections. I'll verify the download with PGP when it's done thanks it's something I've been doing for years.

It's fair Kruw gets invited to post opinions ahead of locking the thread.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Thanks for amazing help o_e_l_e_o I wasn't focused so nearly download the malware from the fake Joinmarket site.

Would you mind editing your previous comment to remove the link? Just in case anyone else skimming the thread clicks on it without realizing.

It's safer I'll postpone using Joinmarket until I've set up Linux on old Mac I've come to own that'll be an experience learning as I ask questions.

That is certainly the safest option. Since all coinjoin wallets need to be connected to the internet constantly in order to work (you can obviously disconnect but you won't be able to perform any coinjoins while disconnected), it is safest to have a separate clean machine dedicated to coinjoins if you are going to be coinjoining frequently or large volumes.

It's fair Kruw gets invited to post opinions ahead of locking the thread.

The other Wasabi thread already contains all his opinions if you care to read them. They are just the same nonsense Wasabi talking points repeated ad nauseum.

[arabspaceship123]

Thanks for amazing help o_e_l_e_o I wasn't focused so nearly download the malware from the fake Joinmarket site.

Would you mind editing your previous comment to remove the link? Just in case anyone else skimming the thread clicks on it without realizing.

I should've removed the links because curious users could find themselves in danger. I've removed it.

It's safer I'll postpone using Joinmarket until I've set up Linux on old Mac I've come to own that'll be an experience learning as I ask questions.

That is certainly the safest option. Since all coinjoin wallets need to be connected to the internet constantly in order to work (you can obviously disconnect but you won't be able to perform any coinjoins while disconnected), it is safest to have a separate clean machine dedicated to coinjoins if you are going to be coinjoining frequently or large volumes.

I'm trying to get started after research because I didn't wipe MacOS for Linux before. A dedicated machine's going to be perfect solution. I'd like to understand more about coinjoins for widening my learning. I own tiny amount of bitcoin so won't be coinjoining frequently or in large volumes. I want to learn how it works.

It's fair Kruw gets invited to post opinions ahead of locking the thread.

The other Wasabi thread already contains all his opinions if you care to read them. They are just the same nonsense Wasabi talking points repeated ad nauseum.

I'm a newcomer to the Wasabi thread. It's a heavy read because of details given in long questions & answers but I'll try going over it. I'll lock this thread if there's isn't activity.

Thanks o_e_l_e_o for amazing advice.