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July 17, 2023, 08:58:03 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .
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July 17, 2023, 09:04:22 PM
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That is why you see new accounts that are growing and become old members that are posting good. If you come to this forum with this kind of mindset, I do not think you will be able to get merit at all.

Post something good and continue to post something good and you will not see the old members attacking the new members, but correcting the new members when you have established rank.

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July 17, 2023, 09:13:12 PM
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So once I post something good like how many paragraph .
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July 17, 2023, 09:26:08 PM
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So once I post something good like how many paragraph .

Paragraph doesn't really matter, just post something relevant. You can make a single line comment and it will be appreciated more than a seven paragraphs post.

Most times the reason why newbies are being criticized is because of the type of post they make. For example you as a newbie come to bitcointalk that has been in operation since 2009 and start to make tutorial threads on how to create a Bitcoin wallet.


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July 17, 2023, 09:26:33 PM
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Nobody is attacking anybody; it might feel as if newbies are being attacked in the eyes of other newbies because they are being corrected. It's only one who is not willing to accept correction who might take every little suggestion and correction as an insult and attack.
 
Everyone here on the forum is a newbie; no one created an account and was promoted to Legendary or any Rank higher than newbie; everything takes time and processing. Once you realize what you are really here for and make yourself relevant, you will earn the merit you talk about. Merit will come when you write something meaningful that is worth meriting.

I see your account is a few days away from reaching a year. You will have to change your mindset regarding how newbies are being treated before you can actually go forward in here. Having a positive mindset will give you positive vibes about things around here.

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July 17, 2023, 09:31:05 PM
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Your focus should be on what you can learn from the forum and not what you can get from it. Rather than trying to post for merit or to be noticed, treat this as a forum where people communicate and learn from each other.
Do things naturally and you will get the ultimate reward, which is Bitcoin knowledge.

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July 17, 2023, 09:31:24 PM
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So once I post something good like how many paragraph .
The number of paragraphs doesn't equate to a good post. a "good post" can be subjective, some members might see your post as good and others might not. also, posting what you think is a "good post" doesn't mean that the post will get merit.

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July 17, 2023, 09:42:40 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long
Did you have any proof for this claim? If yes, then provide a link, because if you did not provide a link, it means you are just saying what you don’t know just because you have been spamming all sections since you joined the forum.

You have been spamming so many boards with one-line posts; how do you expect merit from such posts?

Try and learn, and you will see the results of having basic knowledge rather than sharing some information that is not relevant to the forum.

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The rules were very clear; you can be in the forum and interact with others even without having a single merit. The merit system was introduced to reduce spamming in the forum, which is why merit is a reward for quality posts and contributions in the forum.

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July 17, 2023, 09:54:24 PM
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The major problem faced by newbie is nothing than been eager to post without going through the rules of the board. A newbie who just want to post and interact with others finds it fun. However, that joy of belonging to a community of Bitcoin know-how must be channelled properly before going against the rule.

Do not see correction as attack,  I made some mistake while trying to understand how the forum works and thanks to those who corrected with love and those that pleaded on my behalf. 
As I said earlier, there is one way to avoid been rebuked for posting low quality post; read rules and regulations guiding every board you want to post. Posting against the set standard is considered an infringement.

If you do the right thing , then be strong to continue doing the right thing, avoid multiple posting or unnecessary reply and be selective in your choice of words.
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July 17, 2023, 10:03:58 PM
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I do not see any attack being done for the newbies here. The majority of the old members here are even welcoming to the new members because that's what we want, we're here to help each other.

We've been there once before and we know the feeling of being new but, there's no attack that's happening. Maybe the redirection that some of the members have been doing is mistakenly understood by you as an attack. But it's better if you can pinpoint that and if that really has happened.



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July 17, 2023, 10:18:23 PM
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I don't think this should cause any distractions to you people because no one started with Legendary account or Hero rank, everyone started as newbie including me myself but the ability for you to have patients to read across the forum is where the problems is because you people don't want to put any effort to be either useful to the forum or be more concise in creating post. Rather all you people always think of is how to gain merits and became Legendary in just 3 weeks to months interval after registration. Look man the forum doesn't work that way it requires a lots
of efforts to be where you desired to be, take a time and go through other people profile to see how they all started.

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July 17, 2023, 10:26:17 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .


The truth is that they are here to be corrected because they are here to learn, and they should be corrected whenever they make mistakes so that others can learn from it. In all seriousness, I don't believe any senior members are attacking newcomers, but what I do know is that senior members always try to correct them. Members who are knowledgeable cannot passively observe while other members provide incorrect information.

If any beginner has consistently been under assault on this topic, I can say that person is acting incorrectly on a regular basis and has been warned about it; nevertheless, because the person chose not to accept the warning, I wonder why other forum members will not take any action against him.

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July 17, 2023, 10:41:41 PM
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Newbies are welcome in this forum, no one is attacking them even though the newbie tries to be knowledgeable by giving advice and then messing up with wrong information.  Older members that are knowledgeable about the topic simply correct them with a different approach.  The one noticeable is the critic's approach which can be considered a constructive criticism by simply pointing out wrong information and correcting them but many newbies do not take it as a good thing thinking that they were attacked instead.

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July 17, 2023, 11:15:14 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .
Like they would say – Grow a thick skin.

Your observation that newbies get attacked may be right if you're referring to them be checked in open criticism (constructive criticism, that's) which I think are for the right reasons, then you're correct. If you're seeking everyone to turn a blind eye when you err then I don't think you've come to the right forum. Plagiarism and spam posts are two of the top vices that annoy (in generality) the top brass here. So, keep that in mind and do right.

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long
why do you use the parable of being attacked bro? this forum is a place for discussion, not social media where other people can brutally blaspheme and hate other people's activities and lives.
the discussion forum is a place for people to discuss and in it, of course, there is an expression of opinion and there are even rebuttals or criticisms of the opinions that we convey.
if in a discussion you consider an input, opinion or criticism from another member to be an attack it states that you are an anti-criticism person.
in fact, not only beginners, even old and high-ranking members if they do something that is not quite right or express opinions that are distorted the other members will criticize or correct them. because that is the form of discussion, we receive feedback on the opinions that we convey with other people giving their opinions, rebuttals, input and even criticism.
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

Nobody is attacking newbies, the high rank members here are always correcting and not attacking, and as a newbie you should be ready to accept correction if you want to grow, everyone one here was once a newbie and everyone has made a mistake in the past before, but they where corrected and that’s how everyone is growing, but if you are being correct and you think they are attacking you, then you will be discouraged and you won’t even want to post in the forum here anymore or you will be scared so that you won’t be corrected after posting again.

In the forum here you can post in anywhere you like, nobody will stop you from anywhere, but your rank is restricted from posting in some particular places because you are newbie, and if you are looking for merit, if you are making contribution and someone sees the post or comment useful, then they can decide to merit and they might not also merit it.

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .


If a student sees the teacher's instruction or advice as an attack, such a student will never learn. Some of the expressions you call attack are corrections and instructions that you need to grow in the forum. Sometimes these words might not come politely, but you should overlook the harsh words and learn the lessons attached. You are permitted to visit and post on boards you know about. You can attract rebuke if your post is substandard. That is why you need to read more and write less at this stage. Before posting anything make sure the information is meaningful and valid. If you keep on posting relevant information that contributes positively to the forum, you will be rewarded with merits. And if you keep bringing viable ideas, answering questions, and helping people solve problems in this forum, more merits that will help you to increase your rank will come.

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July 17, 2023, 11:59:28 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

Attacked?  What kind of attack?
I think no one attacking you but instead, they are trying to correct you in the right way which of course, is the reason why we have rules and guidelines that most newbies should be followed, or else they will be punished unknowingly.

As long as you followed the rules, you can freely share your ideas and join discussions with others.  No one will stop you and I think no one will attack you.

Like they would say – Grow a thick skin.
IMO, this should be a must and decide which you belong, Gangs of BitcoinTalk Smiley.

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .


I never had that impression, quite the contrary. I had a lot of advice, help and always with kindness (and never with condescension). If I am wrong in what I write, it is also so that someone can correct me and so that I can learn. It's really the asset of this forum, brilliant people who really bring us something.

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The problems newbies face is that they complain about pEoPLe NoT GiViNg MeRiTs instead of actually improving their post quality through actually learning about this industry. It's just a BS excuse; like a janitor wanting to be paid the same as a CEO.

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Wait wait I just recently read thread about  Newbies Stop Teaching When You Need To Learn - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456580.80 and now the OP make this tread I dont know if this connected case hehehe

but hey who has been attacked you? I mean we all here are learning and sharing about the crypto industry tha growing every single day tho if you want like merit you need keep post and someday you will get it even me as hero member is still learning and keep posting about what I know and somtimes people merit me

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July 18, 2023, 05:05:32 AM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .
This forum is an international forum and according to my analysis, it has 1 million users monthly. around 30k daily. Mostly from US (as many people use US proxy). So, the point is so many people have different approaches to discussing something. Like if you have made a mistake then one member will be suggesting you follow some rules so that next time you would not make the same mistake. one member will be making a joke out of you in fact I do not think they are making fun of you they just wanted to let know that.

Rules do matter here and if you will not take them seriously the members of this forum will not take you seriously so we and newbies have to get familiar with the rules before making mistakes that could cause them permanently banned. Just like my previous reply where a newbie named rosmar14 i think was banned for burst posting and single-line posting. He made 20+ posts in a day and all of them were on line.

So, what do you think, will happen if the senior members of this forum will not help you to understand the forum rules and will allow you to make mistakes all the time? Of course, your account will be banned too. And i think a little bearing of the words coming out of different mouths must be filtered by you like to whom give attention and to whom not.

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July 18, 2023, 06:14:52 AM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

Normally newbies who just join this forum are not willing to learn or contribute to conversation. Perhaps, that's the reason they feel attacked when they're being corrected. Take a look at yourself for example, your focus is on merit while I believe that you have not even take time to read a single thread about Forum rules and guidelines. There's no place reserve for any rank to post in so far you are not off point from topic of discussion even as a newbie you can post anywhere either by comment or by creating thread. Just make sure your post is adding value and on topic.

People were here doing absolutely fine before the merit system was introduced. They were not posting for merit and that should be the kind of mindset we should all have towards the forum. Don't be desperate for merit, improve your post and merit will be hunting you. It's easy to detect when one is desperate for merit and you might not get again if you are noticed.

So once I post something good like how many paragraph .

This is not an essay competition. Quality post is not about paragraph, it can be just a word, one line or a few lines. What matters is the weight of information your post contains and that's all. Nobody is after your grammar or long thread and besides people have a lot to do, it makes sense when you make your post short and understandable. Some long thread and boring and might not be read to the end.

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July 18, 2023, 08:28:16 AM
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You should be open to take both negative and positive comments when you are on a public forum. I haven't seen anyone getting attack here but in few occasions newbies do get trolled. Which is far lesser here than other forums or social media platforms. Learn from your mistakes and work hard on improving your writing skills if you want to succeed here.

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .
Why you are indicating forum rules and guidelines as a reason of being attacked for newbies? These rules are universal among the forum members. You just imagine, what will happen when there will be no rules? This forum will not be a place for constructive discussion and everywhere there will be full of spamming.

You wrote about gaining merits which isn't mandatory to gain and you can either join a discussion or ask something and obviously can learn anything related to crypto. But if you want to grow here then you have to be constructive.

Another reason you said about the oldest members. They are much more informative, helpful and we'll experienced. If you post like a fool or without doing a little research then they will obviously give you instructions and they are responsible to correct your faults. Always make a thin skin if you have been criticized unfortunately but that can't be a barrier for a newbie.

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 I think you'd only get 'attacked' when you refuse to read the rules of the board you want to post on and continue spamming. No one's an island of knowledge or is expected to hit 100 on post quality but at least it should show you put effort.
Most newbies are concerned about making their first "I'm a newbie" post and forget to go through other posts that have been on the forum so that they can at least get a hint on how to start.
 I believe what can make you get merits is just simple; give yourself to reading more than posting. This way when you make your posts, they are educative and thought provoking. When there's no knowledge gotten from your posts, you'd manage to get yourself more replied than merits.

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July 18, 2023, 09:47:39 AM
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So once I post something good like how many paragraph .
A good post is subjective, it can be a large wall of text or it can be a short statement. The point being is that you should know what you're talking about and you have the capacity to convey it in such manner that it's not boring to read if long but gets the point across if short.

I wouldn't say that this forum is hostile to newbies, a lot of the old users here are just tired of dealing with spammers and other entities that don't really want to contribute to the forum hence they may seem like unapproachable. If you really want to learn about bitcoin, you wouldn't mind their attitude and just try to learn something, real recognizes real as the saying goes.



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If you're a newbie, you're most likely going to be corrected a few times. It's going to feel like you're being yelled at, but it's nothing more than a forum user who has been around for awhile, trying to push you to learn. Of course, there are random assholes who are likely yelling at you because they're just angry people.

The newbies that face the hardest time in here are the ones who make an account and head directly for the lending section and think they're going to get free money. Those newbies don't last long before being tagged. You should't come to a new place thinking these people don't know me and think they are just going to hand you money.

When you make an account you should really go to all the sticky threads and read them. Get yourself acquainted with the rules and learn how the forum works. You shouldn't be too worried about merits until you have an understanding of what they are and why people give them to you. Below is a list of 3 threads every newbie should read.

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July 18, 2023, 01:38:08 PM
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If you treat and guidance the same way then nothing can be done because as far as I have seen most members guide newbies to read rules and follow them so they don't accidentally or intentionally violates any rules which will prevent them from further posting here and spend quality time over forum.But most of newbies do the same mistakes like asking how to rank up,gain merits or earn on this forum without even understanding how things works here so in these cases high rank members can guide them efficiently if they are interested in learning to it.

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July 18, 2023, 01:59:50 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

Maybe because you pretend that there are no rules or you think that the forum is a company that needs to hire you on the first day and give you a salary because a friend convinced you of it and that's why you actually came here?

Since you've only written 15 posts so far, and some of those posts seem like a combination of plagiarism&paraphrasing. Example 1 and 2

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Looking at your post history, I'm not surprised why you were "attacked". In fact most of your posts are really annoying, like this one https://ninjastic.space/post/62563035.
Being in the newbie position doesn't mean you're limited to just making posts on Beginner&Help board. And you should avoid making posts just because something simple without much meaning crosses your mind.
But sorry, it looks like you really have to read more forum rules first for a while rather than writing something.

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Maybe because you pretend that there are no rules or you think that the forum is a company that needs to hire you on the first day and give you a salary because a friend convinced you of it and that's why you actually came here?

Since you've only written 15 posts so far, and some of those posts seem like a combination of plagiarism&paraphrasing. Example 1 and 2

Our OP is another snowflake that cries at any criticism. But look at his registration date; exactly a year has passed, and he still considers himself a beginner.
And yes, you are right; he has beautiful plagiarism, which he successfully managed to avoid. He copied a post from one group from the Telegram channel, but today this group no longer exists, and the entire history has been erased. All that's left is history.

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July 18, 2023, 04:02:44 PM
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As newbie I will advice you to be focused and be dedicated to the forum, always try to read trends and understand before replying (posting) so your posts can be meaningful to warrant you having merits.

Other members will only attack you when you are making mistakes, don't see it as quarrel, they only want you to learn more, so you can avoid making further mistakes (errors).

Welcome consistency in the forum and post things are meaningful, merits will come....

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July 18, 2023, 04:16:05 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .


This is a discussion forum. If you like to read and write then you will feel at home here and won't find many problems. So, if you have good writing skills, you will easily get merit. So practice your writing skills and read a lot.

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The problems newbies face is that they complain about pEoPLe NoT GiViNg MeRiTs instead of actually improving their post quality through actually learning about this industry. It's just a BS excuse; like a janitor wanting to be paid the same as a CEO.

I strongly agree with you! The newbies often face some harsh responses because they tend to beg for merits instead of doing their best to contribute to the forum. They never focus on their post quality and they often tend to post on the threads or bounty campaigns to earn something from the forum.

The posts made in bounty campaigns are not valid posts for someone to send merits to such users because in this forums merits are mostly given to those who deserve to get those merits, and someone behavior, post quality, and helping nature matters a lot to gain merits in a positive way. Begging for merits just to rank up faster is the worst thing someone does and unfortunately newbies often do that.

@OP I recommend you to learn about Bitcoin and this forum, and then try your best to create good quality posts which other users find helpful and then over time you will notice that how generous the members of this forum are. However, if someone continues to post low quality, not well constructed posts, and asks that why he/she is not getting good response from others then that guy should first watch his/her own faults before blaming others.

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July 18, 2023, 04:20:09 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum

Yeah, bs!
Normal newbies are not opening topics left and right telling others about crypto trading, crypto security, advantages of blockchain and stuff like that.
Normal newbies don't open topics with the opening post in almost perfect English and then suddenly revert to posting unreadable gibberish that makes no sense in other topics.
Normal newbies do reply to the comments on the topics they've opened, they don't just throw the bait and wait for a merit fish!

The whole thing is getting ridiculous, the forum is bombarded with topics opened by accounts that have spent barely anytime here teaching others everything, from personal motivation to how to succeed in agriculture, how to live a fulfilling life, how to secure your wealth, how to deal with family issues, the only thing I haven't yet seen is drug addiction advices.

gaining merit .

That's the real problem, right?

Also, newbie...right! Newbie! Roll Eyes

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The whole thing is getting ridiculous, the forum is bombarded with topics opened by accounts that have spent barely anytime here teaching others everything, from personal motivation to how to succeed in agriculture, how to live a fulfilling life, how to secure your wealth, how to deal with family issues, the only thing I haven't yet seen is drug addiction advices.

Maybe he's really trying to earn merit by making a post like that.

gaining merit .

That's the real problem, right?

Maybe he was getting frustrated because his efforts were in vain Grin

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There's no one attacking newbies everyone is free to post here in this forum what matters is you keeping the rules as instructed and whenever you are abiding to them no higher rank member will oppress you, all less you don't wanna read and respond accordingly to what the thread and topic are saying. Merits is gain by a post worth quality enough or maybe is found interesting by people and is also helpful to the community at large. I advised you to be free and removed this mindset of higher member attacking you due to low rank as a beginner.

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July 19, 2023, 03:36:42 AM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .


Attacked you say? I don't see any as attack. But see it this way, if the high ranked members don't use that style on we the newbies do you think some of us newbies would learn how to drop post in the right places? To me no, so it you see when they uses hard words on someone or on you per say I prefer to see it as part of learning and don't take it the wrong way cause if you do I don't think you'd find it healthy to move forward in this forum. After all we're here to learn and exchange knowledge of what we know. Nobody is perfect even them, I mean the big guys in the forum don't know it all, we need each other to learn and grow faster. For me I'm still learning in terms of starting up a thread and where to put it, is a step at a time.
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As newbie I will advice you to be focused and be dedicated to the forum, always try to read trends and understand before replying (posting) so your posts can be meaningful to warrant you having merits.

Other members will only attack you when you are making mistakes, don't see it as quarrel, they only want you to learn more, so you can avoid making further mistakes (errors).

Welcome consistency in the forum and post things are meaningful, merits will come....
Can we please replace the "Attack" with Criticism which seems more appropriate since no one is actually attacking anyone, all they try to do is criticize if they doesn't fit what they are proposing, when they were wrong and instances like that.

And anyone who can't handle the criticism should avoid engaging in public forum discussions so it will be good for both parties. Smiley

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July 19, 2023, 05:47:09 AM
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Can we please replace the "Attack" with Criticism which seems more appropriate since no one is actually attacking anyone, all they try to do is criticize if they doesn't fit what they are proposing, when they were wrong and instances like that.
Yeah, there's a difference between attack and criticism.

If someone post "You're wrong, don't leave your coins in centralized exchange and don't invest in shitcoins because there's a high chance the project is rug pull", that's a criticism.

It's different if someone post "You're so stupid, centralized exchange is never being used to hold your coins and shitcoiner must be not in this forum, leave this forum because it's Bitcointalk, you're piece of shit".

Maybe there are some users posts with the second style, but @OP can use ignore button if it's hurt his feeling.
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

Honestly i don't count all these as part of the problem a newbie faces on this forum because most of this newbies know nothing about the forum and care less of reading the forum's rules and regulations before making mistakes that get them banned, corrected or accused and it's very common that you see a newbie accepting confrontations from experienced members because they also want him to take heed to those aspect they are correcting them on and not that they dislike them or acted to scare them away from the forum, if a newbie never made a mistake, he won't be corrected.

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So once I post something good like how many paragraph .
See, it's questions like this one that probably make you think older members attack newer ones, because my answer to it would be "Who the hell comes to a forum and asks the members what or how to post?".  You're not the first person to ask those questions and similar ones, and they always lead me to the conclusion that people come here not out of interest in bitcoin but because they've heard through the grapevine that there are these things called signature campaigns and bounties.

Let's be honest, OP.  From what you've shown here, you obviously don't intend to put much effort into whatever you write and I doubt your writing skills are sufficient to attract the attention of members with merits to give.  Thus you'll be frustrated and stuck that you haven't ranked up, just like thousands of other accounts that are no longer active.

If you didn't get referred here, may I ask why you joined bitcointalk?

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

I need to ask you a question, are you a newbie?
Don't tell me you are a newbie when you are asking a rhetorical question on why the newbies are been attacked  and I seem not to understand whether you don't understand the rules or you choose to be an ignorant fellow.

You don't even state the reason why you think newbies are been attacked by high ranked members. You need to follow the rules here or  else you can be straightened with words that can sharpen you to do the right thing. If you don't understand anyone of the rules, it wi be very polite if you ask questions about what you don't understand than to stand to fight for the newbies when you don't even understand what you are complaining about.

 No one is been harsh on anyone but you need to understand that the way we see things and interpret it may be absolutely different from each other so you don't expect everyone opinion to be the same looking boring. Make sure you know the rules and what you ought to do so that no one will attack you or find no sense in what you write. The community is full of good vibes if you know where to get it.









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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .
Maybe if you complain less and understand that, aside from accounts that where on here before the introduction of the merit system, everyone started on as a newbie and now, most of them have attained desired ranks on the forum, you would find it difficult to know it’s by your effort or improve yourself if you don’t come by that realization.

One thing I would say to you now is that, complaints such as these gets you no where. Instead, redirect your effort towards being the best version of you that you can be and keep adding values to the forum.

I don’t see the forum to have been hostile towards newbies. At most, they are often treated like dummies and always in a bid to help and also, very welcoming when they create one of those “I am new here thread”.

On the issue of merits, you don’t get to decide. On the area of where to post, should a comment box be open to you, your good to go.

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See, it's questions like this one that probably make you think older members attack newer ones, because my answer to it would be "Who the hell comes to a forum and asks the members what or how to post?".  You're not the first person to ask those questions and similar ones, and they always lead me to the conclusion that people come here not out of interest in bitcoin but because they've heard through the grapevine that there are these things called signature campaigns and bounties.

Let's be honest, OP.  From what you've shown here, you obviously don't intend to put much effort into whatever you write and I doubt your writing skills are sufficient to attract the attention of members with merits to give.  Thus you'll be frustrated and stuck that you haven't ranked up, just like thousands of other accounts that are no longer active.

This is serious I must say, you're correct to ask that question. I see no reason why anyone would come here and start asking what should I post and all that. Is best you ask reasonable questions that would make members talk more about your post instead of giving us dying questions. If I'm the OP I'd rather do something that would earn me recognition (members don't really care about that, I think) then the merit will follow. I must confess, the campaign stuff you said is something that even motivate members the more to come here and post too. And I see that such questions are the reason why some higher ranked members do get angry by using harsh words on some newbies, I equally don't blame them. @The Sceptical Chymist don't give up on the OP yet, with time I think he'd do better.

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So once I post something good like how many paragraph .

The number of paragraphs is not what they mean by something meaningful. Some posts are long and have multiple paragraphs that are still meaningless.
When they say post something good it means you should say reasonable stuff. There are newbies here that just come to the forum and start educating others on how to use the forum. It shouldn't be so. There's a thread that was saying on how newbies should learn instead of trying to teach people about the forum.
Make reasonable contributions instead of just saying meaningless things.

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July 20, 2023, 09:59:08 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

Hehehehe..... I felt the same way too, buh that's just dumb to think of... Nobody is permitted to humiliate anyone, talkmore of an attack.. you just need to understand that growth is periodical and can never be achieved spontaneously.
In here, nobody really cares about what you do, as long as you don't bridge the rules - yeah, about the rules? Why aren't you comfortable with 'em rules? You like the fact that things are going in accordance right? So what you really got to do assuming 'em rules are shruggedoff?... Chill buddy - learn how to live with things you CANNOT change.
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

I don't really think old member attacks you or any other newbie for no reason and what prompts this attack correction would be because you are posting annoying things that other members feel you already ought to know before getting here and moreover no learner who is willing to grasp and learn fast really see corrections as a bad thing.

The forum is filled with lots of members who actually loves seeing newbie strive to grow in knowledge grow not lazy ones and if you are the latter then this place will actually be a hell hole for you.

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

Who are attacking those newbies? I will give negative trust to them? Even though I'm not on DT list Tongue

Anyway, I think the problem with newbies is:
1. Most of them are in the forum for the money. Look at those newbies right now. A huge percentage of users who are newbie ranked are just spamming Proof of Authentication on the Bounty section.
2. Some of them are acting like they know it all. There are some newbies out there who are giving advice to different users here like they know every thing already. Yes it's still good to advice, but at least know your limits as a newbie.

I also started as a newbie here, and we all are. I registered a few months after the merit system was implemented, and at that time I'm not that expert like the other high ranked users here (and even today). The problem with newbies right now is that they aren't here because they want to rank up their account, but they're here because they believe that they can get some few bucks here. It created a bad image towards high ranked members thus, they see newbies like that.

TBH, I don't see newbies being attacked here. I mean I don't want to boast, but I believe that even though I will start again as a new account, I can still manage to rank up even at least at the Full Member, or even Senior Member. One thing also is that, learn to differentiate constructive criticism, and direct attack to you OP, and to the other newbies out there. To all of the newbies, at least try to rank up if you want to. Don't just post on Bounties section. I still believe that if you have knowledge that you can share here, you can still manage to rank up, and be out of that newbie status.

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .


That's not true all of us here started as newbies, there are members who just signed up last year and are now doing well here and they are high rank, if you just sign up let to be acquainted with the forum rules, learn what to post and not to post, so many newbies are getting a loan, days after they sign up here because they saw that there is a lending board here, they do not read the requirements and some newbies just post projects they are promoting with their affiliate link.

There is a newbie and beginner section here all new members have to do is spend more time a week staying and focusing on this section will give you an overall idea of how this forum works, and gain respect and knowledge. 

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long

Since the more experienced members are correcting the newcomers rather than criticizing them, it is clear that the majority of newcomers who join the forum today believe that their contributions are merited. However, you cannot provide something that is meaningless and expect to be rewarded for doing so. This is a gradual process, and as a new user, you will need to go through numerous forum corrections before you achieve your goals. As a new user, you should anticipate corrections with every post you write here.
 
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and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

I'll advise you to calm down and put in more effort to learn everything on the forum so you can get the merits you believe you lack, which is true; however, do not expect to be merited in each of your posts. If you put merit on your front, you won't learn, and you will always expect merit every time you make a post, even if it is not meaningful, and you may give up thinking that you won't make it on these forums. Even though some of your posts may be deserving of merit, you must exercise patience if the contributors or viewers do not.

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July 23, 2023, 01:30:07 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .


You are a year old on this forum but unfortunately, you still have this mindset, how did you start and what's your motivation here in Bitcointalk, you saw the negative side but not the positive side.

 I guess you are not really dedicated, checking your post there's a long gap and on it, you just came back from a long hiatus and here you are complaining, why not be active and continue to make contributions, once people see how active and how good your posts are, everything will come along like respect and merits, don't force to get respect and merits, earn the respect of the community.


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July 23, 2023, 07:40:05 PM
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You are a year old on this forum but unfortunately, you still have this mindset, how did you start and what's your motivation here in Bitcointalk, you saw the negative side but not the positive side.

 I guess you are not really dedicated, checking your post there's a long gap and on it, you just came back from a long hiatus and here you are complaining, why not be active and continue to make contributions, once people see how active and how good your posts are, everything will come along like respect and merits, don't force to get respect and merits, earn the respect of the community.
So far, beginners are required to make extra efforts to make quality posts so that they really get what they want, especially regarding merit and rank. The merit system was introduced to prevent many newbies and other users from ranking up if they don't make quality posts, of course that's good but definitely won't prevent them from ranking up as long as they are good posters.

Complaining will not solve the problem, but it will only add more problems which in turn will affect the mindset to be more negative. Nothing will stop someone from earning merit if they put in as much effort as possible to make useful and useful posts, but indeed beginners have to put in extra effort.

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July 23, 2023, 07:54:35 PM
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So once I post something good like how many paragraph .

OP, it is not just about the paragraphs or how long your post is; what matters is the content you share. For example, you could try sharing your experiences or knowledge that can be beneficial to other members. Also, offering helpful solutions to problems or answering questions with valuable and relevant information can make a real difference.

An example of a bad post is, for instance, your last topic: What is political Economy. What were you trying to achieve with it, anyway?

So, instead of talking about non-existent attacks on newbies and getting merits, work on yourself and try harder to make a positive contribution to the community. By doing so, other users will recognize your efforts and value your input.

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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

I think newbies suffer from imposter syndrome especially because of the difference in rank and they see every criticism as an personal attack, not realizing that everyone is equal on the forum. The older members are not entirely innocent in this, if you have been a member of this forum for half a decade or more, you will have seen most of the posts by newbies being repeated time after time and eventually that would get on anyone nerves, some older members snap at newcomers who make honest mistakes on the beginning but it’s all a part of the forum. Like LoyceV would say, “to survive in bitcointalk you have to grow thick skin”.

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July 23, 2023, 08:55:25 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

They're getting attacked because they're spoiling the forum we love, you can't just register on a platform and start writing the way you feel like writing, making the forum look like some childish social media and think you'll get away with it. The newbies should make it their first priority to read about the forum, visit the rules and regulations threads and get familiarize with the forum before they start posting. There's nothing wrong in asking questions on how things work here before you start writing when you can find the right sources to get you to understand how the forum functions. When you ignore all that but starts spamming or using the forum in a wrong way then you'll get attacked.

Not every newbies has been attacked on the forum, we have those that has been welcomed very well with lots of merits due to the values they're adding to the forum with their contributions. We're not saying all newbie should be like them but atleast put some efforts into your writing and the way you reply to threads. When a newbie register on the forum and immediately starts spamming around in an attempt to increase his activities he'll get attacked. It's left for he newbie to take corrections instead of feeling attacked. At some people we hard our own fair share of the attacked but took them as correction instead of feeling offended, they should do the same and they'll enjoy their stay on the forum, the forum is very friendly when you know how to use it.

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July 23, 2023, 10:01:46 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

They're getting attacked because they're spoiling the forum we love, you can't just register on a platform and start writing the way you feel like writing, making the forum look like some childish social media and think you'll get away with it. The newbies should make it their first priority to read about the forum, visit the rules and regulations threads and get familiarize with the forum before they start posting. There's nothing wrong in asking questions on how things work here before you start writing when you can find the right sources to get you to understand how the forum functions. When you ignore all that but starts spamming or using the forum in a wrong way then you'll get attacked.
Well, it's not wrong or against the forum rules and there's no rules like that. We are free to post or feel like to write as long as the content is not low quality or spam then I don't see any problem problem with that but if it is the opposite then I agree with you. After all, we are free to do what we want as long as it doesn't cause problem or trouble to anyone here in the forum. I don't think that the newbies are being attacked (in a bad way) but I'd rather call it being criticized and when someone did it then it is for your own good to become knowledgeable in the future.

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July 24, 2023, 11:27:40 AM
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An example of a bad post is, for instance, your last topic: What is political Economy. What were you trying to achieve with it, anyway?
Oh mine! I'm not one to easily say someone's posts are shitposts but I've to say it here on that Kalson9's thread. I'm trying to unread what I read in the OP there. Like you asked, what indeed, was the OP trying to achieve with that? Total nonsense and I think such deserves to be taken off by the mods. Perhaps that's how best that user writes because I quickly ran through their other posts and there isn't any difference in their sentence construction.

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July 24, 2023, 01:49:49 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .
There is no vendetta against newbies because we were all newbies and what you are complaining about currently was not something that we noticed as newbies then. As a newbie, if you have been corrected once or twice by older members, it is because they have noticed something that needs correction. Do not take it too seriously or have the notion that the correction is an attack because you are a newbie, it is all in your head.

As a real newbie, be a proper newbie who is committed to learning and sticking to rules of the forum. Ask reasonable questions and express yourself in a constructive manner and nobody will attack you for it.

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July 24, 2023, 10:29:34 PM
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Normally newbies who just join this forum are been attacked by those that have been here for long and secondly the rules and guidance and where to post and not to post and gaining merit .

Op maybe the right word to use is not attack but chastisement and if you see it in this very word then  the forum would be easier for you to learn from. No one will attack you if you make a good quality post, go back to the drawing board check to know why you're been attacked learn from it so you don't have to reiterate your mistakes.

Op you said Secondly the rules! Yea what's wrong about the rules? Are you part of those that wants to live in a community of lawlessness and chaos?  Closely read the rules for they are simple to abide by and there's no rigidity or difficulties associated in keeping to them as established.  Create within you  a positive mindset about the forum if growth means anything to you.
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