Icopress ' Merit Source Application 🚩

[SamReomo]

a campaign manager is supposed to read many of the posts made in his campaigns. That's a great opportunity to Merit the good ones (and remove the users with bad posts from the campaign). That's not Merit abuse, it's doing a good job.

Yes, that's very true, a campaign manager gives enough time to reading posts made by the users who are enrolled in the campaigns that he's managing, and thus it becomes easy for him to notice good posts. And, it's true that such campaign manager can merit all good posts in the campaigns that he's managing and there's nothing wrong in meriting good posts even if you're meriting someone who's part of the campaign that you're managing.

I believe Icopress can do both jobs brilliantly without any issue. We all know how much contribution he's doing on this forum and as a merit source he'll be able to contribute even more by sending merits to the posts that need those merits. I believe Icopress can be one of the best merit sources of this forum and that's why I think Theymos should definitely assigned him as a merit source.

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[JollyGood]

Has any reputable member actually made any comment to state or suggest icopress should not be a merit source because they alleged he is incompetent? I read a post from a long time member stating a possible conflict of interest but he did not provide a factual reason icopress should not be considered for merit source.

Other than that, I believe there are a couple of posts from attention seekers (one of whom clearly has ulterior motives to oppose icopress becoming merit source, probably on the basis of being overlooked/rejected when he applied to join campaigns managed by icopress) who have opposed therefore the vast majority of members that have posted in the thread are in favour of his application.

I believe Icopress can do both jobs brilliantly without any issue. We all know how much contribution he's doing on this forum and as a merit source he'll be able to contribute even more by sending merits to the posts that need those merits. I believe Icopress can be one of the best merit sources of this forum and that's why I think Theymos should definitely assigned him as a merit source.

[SamReomo]

I believe there are a couple of posts from attention seekers (one of whom clearly has ulterior motives to oppose icopress becoming merit source, probably on the basis of being overlooked/rejected when he applied to join campaigns managed by icopress) who have opposed therefore the vast majority of members that have posted in the thread are in favour of his application.

Yes, I agree with you, I don't really want to say anything about those attention seekers because they won't be successful in their attempts no matter how hard they try. Icopress is a well-deserving member, he has done a lot for the forum, and those who understand his importance will always support him and his application. He's hard-working himself and he support all those members who work hard.

I can say that Icopress is a pure-hearted and a professional person, someone like him will always be recommended by those members who understand his worth. The service Icopress is doing of this forum is appreciate worthy and I will always support his application and I'm very sure that soon Theymos and other high authority members will also consider Icopress's application and make him a merit source. Hope that day will come soon.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I read a post from a long time member stating a possible conflict of interest but he did not provide a factual reason icopress should not me considered for merit source.

Yeah, and if it's the post I'm thinking of (which I responded to earlier), the argument was basically that merit sources shouldn't be managing sig campaigns.  Sure, there could potentially be problems with that dual role depending on who the person is but I haven't seen any evidence presented that icopress in particular would take advantage of his position as merit source in some way, and a hypothetical argument like that just doesn't hold any water as far as this application is concerned.

While we're all debating this crap, none of us know what's on Theymos's mind with respect to the merit system, how it's functioning nowadays, and whether new merit sources are needed.  I don't even know when the last merit source was added, but it was probably a long time ago--and if it was recent it was probably to replace one or more sources that dropped out.  It'd be so nice if Big Boss Man would descend from the mountaintop with his tablets and, if not drop some commandments on us, at least give the community a state-of-the-merit-system address.  Curious minds like mine would love to know what's happening.

[Rikafip]

I don't even know when the last merit source was added, but it was probably a long time ago

You are right, it was quite a long time ago indeed, as last time theymos readjusted merit was in June 2021.

and if it was recent it was probably to replace one or more sources that dropped out. 

Effects of few merit sources leaving the forum are getting to be noticeable. As seen in the Merit Dashboard, monthly merit numbers were usually between 24-27k ever since July 2021 and last month (February 2024), that number dropped down to ~20k, which is the lowest since that latest merit readjustment and if the number continues dropping, I think we might see theymos intervening again.

[philipma1957]

I read a post from a long time member stating a possible conflict of interest but he did not provide a factual reason icopress should not me considered for merit source.

Yeah, and if it's the post I'm thinking of (which I responded to earlier), the argument was basically that merit sources shouldn't be managing sig campaigns.  Sure, there could potentially be problems with that dual role depending on who the person is but I haven't seen any evidence presented that icopress in particular would take advantage of his position as merit source in some way, and a hypothetical argument like that just doesn't hold any water as far as this application is concerned.

While we're all debating this crap, none of us know what's on Theymos's mind with respect to the merit system, how it's functioning nowadays, and whether new merit sources are needed.  I don't even know when the last merit source was added, but it was probably a long time ago--and if it was recent it was probably to replace one or more sources that dropped out.  It'd be so nice if Big Boss Man would descend from the mountaintop with his tablets and, if not drop some commandments on us, at least give the community a state-of-the-merit-system address.  Curious minds like mine would love to know what's happening.

Listen I have mentioned I like icopress and I gave him 50 merits which he can give out as he pleases. once a month is passed I WILL GIVE HIM 50 More merits,but the fact remains no signature person should be a merit source. I know some have said there are signature managers that are merit sources has it occurred to anyone when was the last signature manager appointed as a merit source  or better yet that no signature manager ever became a merit soure. That the dual people were merit sources and asked to be a signature manager.

Ie I am a merit source I want to be a signature manager does anyone want to hire me. Is this the way merit sources became signature managers.

or are there signature managers that added merit source later.

I know that there are supposed to be a few people with dual status .

but I do not know if they are all

source add signature manager.

or signature manager add source.


if none are signature manager add source then theymos is showing us something.

I will give icopress 50 merits once I can.

[Poker Player]

Listen I have mentioned I like icopress and I gave him 50 merits which he can give out as he pleases. once a month is passed I WILL GIVE HIM 50 More merits,but the fact remains no signature person should be a merit source....

I will give icopress 50 merits once I can.

You don't see anything unusual here? Because I do. To establish as a general category without exceptions that no campaign manager should be merit source and then give icopress 50 merits as often as you can I see it contradictory and even a bad use of the merit system.

What is the reason why you are giving 50 merits every time you can? Because it should be for his quality posts.

I could also read here that you are using your merit source status to not close the doors to icopress hiring you in the future because of the position you express here.

Not only campaign managers can have a potential conflict of interest if they are appointed merit sources. Campaign participants, like you, do too.

[philipma1957]

Listen I have mentioned I like icopress and I gave him 50 merits which he can give out as he pleases. once a month is passed I WILL GIVE HIM 50 More merits,but the fact remains no signature person should be a merit source....

I will give icopress 50 merits once I can.

You don't see anything unusual here? Because I do. To establish as a general category without exceptions that no campaign manager should be merit source and then give icopress 50 merits as often as you can I see it contradictory and even a bad use of the merit system.

What is the reason why you are giving 50 merits every time you can? Because it should be for his quality posts.

I could also read here that you are using your merit source status to not close the doors to icopress hiring you in the future because of the position you express here.

Not only campaign managers can have a potential conflict of interest if they are appointed merit sources. Campaign participants, like you, do too.

I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.

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[JollyGood]

Yeah, and if it's the post I'm thinking of (which I responded to earlier), the argument was basically that merit sources shouldn't be managing sig campaigns.  Sure, there could potentially be problems with that dual role depending on who the person is but I haven't seen any evidence presented that icopress in particular would take advantage of his position as merit source in some way, and a hypothetical argument like that just doesn't hold any water as far as this application is concerned.

That is correct, no evidence was presented to show a correlation exists between being a campaign manager and merit source simultaneously equates to a conflict of interest. Furthermore, exactly what that conflict of interest would be has not been elaborated on.

While we're all debating this crap, none of us know what's on Theymos's mind with respect to the merit system, how it's functioning nowadays, and whether new merit sources are needed.  I don't even know when the last merit source was added, but it was probably a long time ago--and if it was recent it was probably to replace one or more sources that dropped out.  It'd be so nice if Big Boss Man would descend from the mountaintop with his tablets and, if not drop some commandments on us, at least give the community a state-of-the-merit-system address.  Curious minds like mine would love to know what's happening.

I guess we could ask the whereabouts of theymos but at the same time we could also ask why the main protagonists that did not support the application by icopress has stopped frequenting in this thread.

[Poker Player]

I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.

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Lol.

I think you overcomplicate your life in this regard. You don't need to give him 50 merits every time you can, nor prohibit yourself from participating in his campaigns. Although obviously as an autonomous person and merit source you can do whatever you want. But I see all this in a simpler way, and I will not repeat what I have already said about icopress postulation in previous posts in this thread.

[JollyGood]

This caught post my attention because I fail to understand the rationale behind your point. This is how I interpreted it:

If icopress remains a campaign manager but is not a merit source (as the situation currently stands), you stating you will never apply to join his campaigns purely on the basis you deem it to be a conflict of interest because he merely asked to be a merit source. Did I understand you correctly?

I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.

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thank you

[SamReomo]

I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.

There is nothing wrong if you send merits to Icopress because he's a well contributing member and he deserves to have those merits. And, I believe you can get into signature campaigns managed by him and that won't be conflict of interest.

If he's managing a campaign and others are getting into those campaigns then you can also be part of those campaigns. I'm very sure that you sent Icopress those merits because you believe that he deserves those merits and there's no conflict of interest when you send 50 more merits.

[LoyceV]

the fact remains no signature person should be a merit source.

That goes against Bitcointalk's mission to be as free as possible. The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.

Ie I am a merit source I want to be a signature manager does anyone want to hire me. Is this the way merit sources became signature managers.

I haven't seen much abuse from Merit sources, and I've never seen something as obvious as "hire me because I'm a Merit source".

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I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.

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Oh, so isn't this the wrong attitude for merit giving, especially for merit sources?
you will give him maximum merit whenever you can, you promise in advance regardless of whether he will write something worth so much merit. Is that compensation for your position on this topic?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.

Explain that better because it infers that those of us who are not merit sources are allowed to sell merit and I doubt very much that you mean that. In fact from what I remember theymos talked about how he only saw it as legitimate to red tag someone for selling merit (not for exchanging it, for example, or giving it in a careless way), with no distinction between whether the person selling it is a merit source or not.

[LoyceV]

The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.

Explain that better

Meriting as a normal user:

You have received a total of 101 merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have 1 sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

Meriting as a Merit source:

You have received a total of 16249 merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have xxxx sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

You are a merit source. The next 123 merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.

because it infers that those of us who are not merit sources are allowed to sell merit and I doubt very much that you mean that.

It's the same as selling accounts: it's not forbidden, so it's allowed. There are no consequences from the forum, but it's heavily frowned upon. You won't get banned and your sent Merit won't be reverted, but you can get negative feedback from anyone who thinks you deserve it.

theymos talked about how he only saw it as legitimate to red tag someone for selling merit (not for exchanging it, for example, or giving it in a careless way), with no distinction between whether the person selling it is a merit source or not.

Theymos was talking to a Merit source when he said that:

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

[dkbit98]

The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.

As far as I know nobody is allowed to sell merits in forum, not just merit sources, maybe this is not written in forum rules but everyone knows this is a not endorsed.
It happened before several times, they got caught and they deserved negative feedback for sure.

[LoyceMobile]

The only difference between a Merit source and someone else is that a Merit source isn't allowed to sell Merit.

As far as I know nobody is allowed to sell merits in forum, not just merit sources, maybe this is not written in forum rules but everyone knows this is a not endorsed.
It happened before several times, they got caught and they deserved negative feedback for sure.

I think it's a bit like scamming: the forum doesn't take action against it, but the community does.

[philipma1957]

I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.

Please quote this.

thank you

Lol.

I think you overcomplicate your life in this regard. You don't need to give him 50 merits every time you can, nor prohibit yourself from participating in his campaigns. Although obviously as an autonomous person and merit source you can do whatever you want. But I see all this in a simpler way, and I will not repeat what I have already said about icopress postulation in previous posts in this thread.

Took your advice and only gave him 13 even though I could have done 50.

[NotATether]

A bit late from me but I hereby endorse icopress' merit source application. Good luck.