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July 27, 2023, 04:19:43 AM
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Just tell him that you are not comfortable with teaching him bitcoin since he is rich already.
Whom do you refer to as the rich persona? I don't see anyone claiming to be rich or referring to others as wealthy individuals. It's a grave mistake to assume that drug addicts are rich person, given that there are inexpensive drugs like Flakka used by some people on Kensington Avenue. For just USD $3, one can consume Flakka. (Link: https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/flakka-addiction-abuse/)

Returning to the main topic of discussion, if I were in your position, I'd undoubtedly receive a plethora of conflicting advice. The dilemma lies in the two distinct purposes at play: one aims to educate about Bitcoin, while the other seeks to facilitate illicit drug transactions. Such a situation is genuinely perplexing and bewildering.

Personally, I'd rather steer clear of such confusing matters and choose to distance myself from individuals with malicious intentions involving Bitcoin.
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July 27, 2023, 06:54:02 AM
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My mind isn't settled as I keep thinking different things, what is on your mind readers?
Anyways, what's on my mind is very clear this days, YES you have to teach the drug dealer how to invest in Bitcoin because this is another way to spread the awareness of Bitcoin and again these is to tell you that people are beginning to adopt Bitcoin for their own businesses, illegal businesses do accept Bitcoin payments because some of these transactions are untraceable, and you know that illegal businesses operations are looking for save asset they can hide there money's so the government won't be able to know, not like bank transactions that anyone can trace, as for teaching your neighbor about Bitcoin it's 98% safe is not like you are motivating him to continue doing the drug business but spreading the awareness of Bitcoin, so whatever the drug dealer is doing with the Bitcoin wallet is non of your business, you have played your part and it's over to him to do the best with the investment.

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July 27, 2023, 07:19:31 AM
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I think the answer to op's question depends a lot on the circumstances and personal beliefs.
Do you think that dealing drugs is a crime (not from a legal standpoint, but from a moral standpoint)? What kind of drugs or does it not matter to you? Another question is whether this person wants to abandon the current activity for something Bitcoin-related or not.
To me, it matters what kind of drugs the person's dealing, whether this person is engaged in other, more violent forms of crime, and it's a big plus if this person is seeking to escape the drug-dealing industry.
I wouldn't help a violent person, or someone who deals heroin and something of similar very strong and very negative impact. I also wouldn't help a person who deals drugs to minors. But if it's something lighter that adults get for themselves, and the person is alright (not aggressive), I wouldn't hold it against him.
All that aside, I wouldn't give anyone financial advice, I can merely help to learn more about the currency, wallets, basic security, and stress the risk of investing. Also, I wouldn't normally dedicate my time to someone I'm not friends with, unless it's something like paid private lessons.
I do not teach people how to handle bitcoin even if they are not drug dealers so it is not anymore of a moral question but about more like saving myself from headache. That solves the issue pretty quickly, he could have been a doctor saving lives and I would still not teach them how to get bitcoin, that's not my job nor my place.

We live in an online world now, go to google and type in "how can I buy bitcoin in X nation" wherever they are, if that doesn't solve your question neither can I. Why would I have to deal with other people, why do I have to teach them, what's in it for me? I rather not do that at all and let them be. This way you do not have to ask yourself if he is doing a good thing or a bad thing, because it becomes irrelevant.

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July 27, 2023, 07:58:22 AM
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If you are aware that your neighbor living next door is into drug dealing and he come seek your advice how to buy Bitcoin, will you teach him?

What comes straight to mind is embezzling the ill-gotten money, but is this even safe? My other neighbor knows I am into Bitcoin and he learned from me, I guess that's how this other neighbor knew, I told him to go meet the next neighbor but he said he is not ready to teach.

What will you do if something like this is happening around you? Why would a drug dealer want to learn Bitcoin if not for a safer haven for running the business?

My mind isn't settled as I keep thinking different things, what is on your mind readers?
You are concluding it wrong mate, why have you come to that Idea about Him may using bitcoin for His illegal business because he is a Businessman (by nature of course) so it can be that h only wanted to have alternative for His investment or maybe he is now planning better and wanted to leave drug dealing and Bitcoin is what comes to His mind?
maybe you can at least Help Him for that? and besides it is not in your care whatever he wanted , the best thing you may contributing here is that there may be a new person to use and circulate if not holding bitcoin.

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July 27, 2023, 08:33:06 AM
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If you are aware that your neighbor living next door is into drug dealing and he come seek your advice how to buy Bitcoin, will you teach him?

What comes straight to mind is embezzling the ill-gotten money, but is this even safe? My other neighbor knows I am into Bitcoin and he learned from me, I guess that's how this other neighbor knew, I told him to go meet the next neighbor but he said he is not ready to teach.

What will you do if something like this is happening around you? Why would a drug dealer want to learn Bitcoin if not for a safer haven for running the business?

My mind isn't settled as I keep thinking different things, what is on your mind readers?
You know the situation is quite difficult. But if you don’t want to teach him, tell him the risk and the high chances of losing his capital from bitcoin investment. Tell him that there’s no security and guarantees from bitcoin investment, and a lot are mostly losing than gaining some profits. Now if he still want to insist, then he can follow some crypto influencers, that way if ever he’ll lose his money, you’ll never be responsible of his losses.

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July 27, 2023, 09:20:55 AM
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Your neighbour obviously want to keep his assets unnoticed I presume because what he does is what attracts eyes to the constant flow of funds in their account that is why most of them don't keep money in the banks. They keep money in safes at their various homes and as such are looking for a more convenient means of transacting without any trace or notice to them.

However, you never can tell why his sudden interest in Bitcoin. As a Bitcoin enthusiast you are, you know promotion of Bitcoin adoption is a thing of importance now but you will have to tell him to look into the internet for further information in an other to reduce your much engagement with him so that if anything happens, you will have no much questions to answer.

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July 27, 2023, 10:50:35 AM
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Why am I living next to a person who is connected with drugs, and why I havent done anything yet to stop that or change that situation - that will be my first thoughts about such situation. My other thoughts will be - why someone knows I am into Bitcoin. I would better keep that in secret. I would not teach such person anything about Bitcoin, as I dont know how things gonna go in future. Who knows what he will tell when he will be arrested. From a merry teacher I can quickly be turned into partner in crime.

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July 27, 2023, 11:53:24 AM
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Why am I living next to a person who is connected with drugs, and why I havent done anything yet to stop that or change that situation - that will be my first thoughts about such situation. My other thoughts will be - why someone knows I am into Bitcoin. I would better keep that in secret. I would not teach such person anything about Bitcoin, as I dont know how things gonna go in future. Who knows what he will tell when he will be arrested. From a merry teacher I can quickly be turned into partner in crime.

Do you mean OP should move house and stay away from neighbors like that? But how to avoid it all when everyone has their own secret? What guarantees that OP's new neighbor won't be a drug dealer but a murderer? As long as we keep our distance from them, we will be safe with them, no need to stress because we won't know all their secrets until they are revealed. But I agree with you as well as many of the previous comments, OP should find a way to decline the offer to teach bitcoin to the other neighbor. It is still best to keep a certain distance from people who have illegal jobs.

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July 27, 2023, 12:36:57 PM
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Why am I living next to a person who is connected with drugs, and why I havent done anything yet to stop that or change that situation - that will be my first thoughts about such situation. My other thoughts will be - why someone knows I am into Bitcoin. I would better keep that in secret. I would not teach such person anything about Bitcoin, as I dont know how things gonna go in future. Who knows what he will tell when he will be arrested. From a merry teacher I can quickly be turned into partner in crime.
Absolutely correct sir. At first how did he get to know you are into bitcoin that alone put you at big risk because you never can tell the next miniute what he might be up to. Not only that if you decide to teach him now and tommorow he is caught, do you not think there is every possibility that he would mention your name as his tutor and possibly you would be labeled as co partner in crime for doing such and making the government to press big charges against you.
If you feel not telling him anything about Bitcoin and you know him to be that aggressive in your neighborhood, if you know reporting to the police could excalate things you look out for another apartment far away if it is a rented you are living in for your safety.

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July 27, 2023, 01:36:00 PM
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If you are aware that your neighbor living next door is into drug dealing and he come seek your advice how to buy Bitcoin, will you teach him?

What comes straight to mind is embezzling the ill-gotten money, but is this even safe? My other neighbor knows I am into Bitcoin and he learned from me, I guess that's how this other neighbor knew, I told him to go meet the next neighbor but he said he is not ready to teach.

What will you do if something like this is happening around you? Why would a drug dealer want to learn Bitcoin if not for a safer haven for running the business?

My mind isn't settled as I keep thinking different things, what is on your mind readers?
You are concluding it wrong mate, why have you come to that Idea about Him may using bitcoin for His illegal business because he is a Businessman (by nature of course) so it can be that h only wanted to have alternative for His investment or maybe he is now planning better and wanted to leave drug dealing and Bitcoin is what comes to His mind?
maybe you can at least Help Him for that? and besides it is not in your care whatever he wanted , the best thing you may contributing here is that there may be a new person to use and circulate if not holding bitcoin.

That's also a possible scenario but what if it doesn't go as positive as you say and that neighbor uses bitcoins for drug dealing? The OP can then be considered to have abetted the crime and he will also become a criminal. If OP's neighbor is really serious and wants to find an investment, a job to give up drug trafficking. He can also hire a financial professional to teach him without bothering others. If it were me, I would also find a way to refuse to teach my neighbors bitcoin if they were criminals.

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July 27, 2023, 01:43:39 PM
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I agree with you on this opinion, but two things are involved here

1. Either he wants to learn about Bitcoin to use it in continuing his illegal drug dealing business or
2. He is looking for a place to stockpile the money he already made from the drug dealings or will make from the business in the future, for the reason that his transactions would not be traced to him, unlike a transaction done in the local fiat currency.
There could be many possibilities to it, he could also teach his fellow dealers the use of BTC and what if such person came to know about mixers. I afraid such acts will damage the reputation of all Crypto and crypto related projects. Such things should not be encouraged. So, its my humble request to dear OP that he should avoid it and make some excuse.

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I agree with you on this opinion, but two things are involved here

1. Either he wants to learn about Bitcoin to use it in continuing his illegal drug dealing business or
2. He is looking for a place to stockpile the money he already made from the drug dealings or will make from the business in the future, for the reason that his transactions would not be traced to him, unlike a transaction done in the local fiat currency.
There could be many possibilities to it, he could also teach his fellow dealers the use of BTC and what if such person came to know about mixers. I afraid such acts will damage the reputation of all Crypto and crypto related projects. Such things should not be encouraged. So, its my humble request to dear OP that he should avoid it and make some excuse.
What the heck with the assumption that all drug dealers are rich and have loads of money to stock up to avade losing them when the authority comes knocking them down,  this assumption is wrong the neighbour may be looking for another better and secure source of income instead of depending on illegal dealings like a drug for survival.

And also my concern is for ops safety because leaving in such an environment where he is exposed to crimes and criminalities is a big threat to ops safety and for the fact that his neighbour already knows that he deals with Bitcoin is more threat than ever and common sense should tell ops to relocate from such environment into the more secured and private apartment because his safety is at high risk in his current palace.
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What the heck with the assumption that all drug dealers are rich and have loads of money to stock up to avade losing them when the authority comes knocking them down,  this assumption is wrong the neighbour may be looking for another better and secure source of income instead of depending on illegal dealings like a drug for survival.

And also my concern is for ops safety because leaving in such an environment where he is exposed to crimes and criminalities is a big threat to ops safety and for the fact that his neighbour already knows that he deals with Bitcoin is more threat than ever and common sense should tell ops to relocate from such environment into the more secured and private apartment because his safety is at high risk in his current palace.
I could at least understand your concerns about OPs safety and i also advice him to report that person to police. And you saying drug dealers are not always be rich. How can you say that. From what i have heard till yet on the news that they have load of money. The point is, you being saying, drug dealer might be looking for a way out. is another possibility that i was talking about.

There are many possibilities, we can not predict the correct one, like what's on the mind of that neighbor. But best practice is not to leave that territory instead report that person to police like an anonymous tip. And another best practice is to not teach him about BTC.

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July 27, 2023, 02:15:21 PM
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you are under no obligation to teach him how to buy bitcoins, for the good of you and your family you should limit your communication with him because nothing good will happen if you continue to interact with him.


Why would a drug dealer want to learn Bitcoin if not for a safer haven for running the business?


of course he learns bitcoin to be able to store his money in the safest place where only he can access it or he wants to transact with other dealers/customers using bitcoin. because so far bitcoin is the safest means of payment that can be used by drug dealers and it's the safest way to be able to launder money from selling drugs.

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OP, I have one question to ask: are you the only one who knows about Bitcoin in your place of residence? If you don't teach him or her about Bitcoin like he demanded, he will probably learn from another person. I wouldn't say what I would do if it were my situation. But if you don't want to teach him about Bitcoin, just tell him he should learn about Bitcoin elsewhere; let him know there are a lot of places to learn about Bitcoin. Perhaps you can't even tell if he needs Bitcoin to clear his money; he probably has been doing business for a long time, and all the while he didn't know about Bitcoin. Does that mean he wasn't clearing his money?

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If you are aware that your neighbor living next door is into drug dealing and he come seek your advice how to buy Bitcoin, will you teach him?

What comes straight to mind is embezzling the ill-gotten money, but is this even safe? My other neighbor knows I am into Bitcoin and he learned from me, I guess that's how this other neighbor knew, I told him to go meet the next neighbor but he said he is not ready to teach.

What will you do if something like this is happening around you? Why would a drug dealer want to learn Bitcoin if not for a safer haven for running the business?

My mind isn't settled as I keep thinking different things, what is on your mind readers?
I don’t see any valid reason why you should not teach him about bitcoin. If he’s a drug dealer, so what? Everyone is entitled to learn about bitcoin regardless of what he is in the society. Just tell him about the basics of bitcoin and if he wish to invest, advise him to study first and understand his investment first before he decides to invest. That way, whatever is his intention, at least he’ll take caution when he start to invest in bitcoin. And whether he’ll lose or make profits, just leave it to him.

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I don't know why people link bitcoin to crime activities, bitcoin is like Fiat Currency but the different is that, bitcoin is for digital payment while Fiat is for physical and digital, so the way Fiat is used can also be used with bitcoin so there is no big deal. Normally I don't like to teach outsiders unless the person is a student in the sch I am teaching. But if a neighbor or others come to learn bitcoin, I normally refer to the people I have already taught of bitcoin. And the expansion of Bitcoin is for everyone and there is no discrimination. The only you can say is, you learn the person you have taught teach him to avoid some issues. Probably through bitcoin he might changed his behaviour and most people are doing those things because there nothing to do to help themselves.
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July 27, 2023, 06:12:05 PM
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If you are aware that your neighbor living next door is into drug dealing and he come seek your advice how to buy Bitcoin, will you teach him?
Yes I will teach him, I have no reason not to teach him all what he wants to learn is how to buy bitcoin, and am not concerned about the business he is into, I will try my possible best to explain to him on how to buy the bitcoin, I will tell him the necessary things which he wants to know and that’s all.

Or maybe you are thinking he might end up using bitcoin in receiving payment or maybe he will end up using bitcoin in making payment in his deals, but I don’t think you should be concerned about what he is trying to use the bitcoin to do, he came to meet you so that you will teach him about bitcoin, just do your part and leave him, you don’t have to care about what he will be using bitcoin for.

What comes straight to mind is embezzling the ill-gotten money, but is this even safe? My other neighbor knows I am into Bitcoin and he learned from me, I guess that's how this other neighbor knew, I told him to go meet the next neighbor but he said he is not ready to teach.
And why do you think that’s what he is planning to learn about bitcoin, he has been doing his drug deal business which he is making payment or receiving payments in fiat currency, so why do you think he is planning to switch his payment method? He might just be hearing about bitcoin and he will also be interested in investing in bitcoin that’s why he came to meet you.

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What will you do if something like this is happening around you? Why would a drug dealer want to learn Bitcoin if not for a safer haven for running the business?

My mind isn't settled as I keep thinking different things, what is on your mind readers?
You better not teach him about Bitcoin if he is a drug dealer. Because I can already guess he wants to learn Bitcoin because he wants to use Bitcoin as a drug buying and selling transaction, and this is very dangerous if one day he is caught by the police, your name will be called by him as the person who taught him bitcoin. I mean you all know that narcotics are something that is strictly prohibited in many countries, now all the police in various countries are showing their seriousness in eradicating drugs, the police are stronger and better than drug dealers.

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You better not teach him about Bitcoin if he is a drug dealer. Because I can already guess he wants to learn Bitcoin because he wants to use Bitcoin as a drug buying and selling transaction, and this is very dangerous if one day he is caught by the police, your name will be called by him as the person who taught him bitcoin. I mean you all know that narcotics are something that is strictly prohibited in many countries, now all the police in various countries are showing their seriousness in eradicating drugs, the police are stronger and better than drug dealers.
As long as you never want to know where the source of the income, then you are free to teach bitcoin without any risk to yourself. Anyone has the right to get correct information about bitcoin even if he is a drug dealer, but you has the right to make his own decision whether you pretend you don't know or don't want to teach him.

If it were me, I would teach him bitcoin regardless of whether he would abuse bitcoins or not. I really don't even want to know where his money comes from and what his job is.


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