re: "how to earn merit" topics

[OgNasty]

Merit is both totally lame and kind of cool at the same time.  It gives people a goal to work towards, which is always nice.  However, it also makes people a little crazy.  I get that the main purpose is to be able to join a signature campaign (which is lame) but if there are any people out there who genuinely enjoy ranking up like this is a video game, that's cool.  I honestly don't like the system because it's somewhat of a circle jerk among some of the members here who seem to use it to gauge their value, but without it this place would probably be a ghost town of only members who actually care about Bitcoin, of which there are not too many of us left here.

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[_BlackStar]

First point - beginners tend to be blamed for what they do.
If a newbie came along and answered a difficult question of a technical nature - many would say that was Legendary incarnate.

While if newbies come with some common threads like about merit system - that too will be related to some stuff. I think it's a dynamic that happens a lot in forums - but I don't think all newbies are to blame for wanting and trying to get merit. If they could be blamed - I don't think we need to burn them alive without giving him a solutions.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

The question is why would a newbie even come to the forum and begin to create this kind of topic, even if the newbie was referred to the forum by a friend who really told them how the forum works. But it's not ethical to just come aboard as a newbie and Begin to claim that he or she knows everything. That's why most of them easily get on the ignor list of memebers who can even give them merit, and later on you will still see that memeber who created topics like that may still be the one to complain of how they have not been receiving merit. Even those fellow newbies who they seem to be teaching will earn more merit quickly than them; it's just funny.

[Sexylizzy2813]

Merit is both totally lame and kind of cool at the same time.  It gives people a goal to work towards, which is always nice.  However, it also makes people a little crazy.  I get that the main purpose is to be able to join a signature campaign (which is lame) but if there are any people out there who genuinely enjoy ranking up like this is a video game, that's cool.  I honestly don't like the system because it's somewhat of a circle jerk among some of the members here who seem to use it to gauge their value, but without it this place would probably be a ghost town of only members who actually care about Bitcoin, of which there are not too many of us left here.

The campaign coupled with the merit are those things that excite many users in this forum, no doubt that's what makes many members to forget the main reason why they're here but I assure you that we still have about 85% of the members who still care about Bitcoin.
We also have members who there intentions are not that pure in this forum that's why we have complains about scammers, account farmers and all that, those are the ones that don't care about what goes on in this Forum concerning Bitcoin. So I think is not really about ranking up and joining campaign to some, is all about what goes on here.

[Poker Player]

If you are referring to those who create these threads, not asking, but explaining, it is curious because it is clear that some are alts trying to fish for merit. Seeing someone who has little to no merits explain in detail in an OP how to get merits or write quality posts is a big LOL.

this reminds me of a user who talked about how plagiarism is bad and should be avoided, and then he got caught and reported plagiarising and then get banned because of it. I don't disagree with what he said but it's funny getting caught and banned for doing the things you warned people not to do.

Yes, well, speaking of curious cases, there have also been some cases of people protesting in the Reputation section for a tag (sometimes even for a neutral tag) that what they have done with it is to draw the attention of the DTs, who ended up discovering more dishonest behaviors such as ban evading, merit abusing, etc. and ended up with many more red tags.

The question is why would a newbie even come to the forum and begin to create this kind of topic, even if the newbie was referred to the forum by a friend who really told them how the forum works. But it's not ethical to just come aboard as a newbie and Begin to claim that he or she knows everything.

Well, as I said, I believe that in most cases they are alts. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one and in this case it is simpler to think that there is someone who knows the forum and knows that merits are usually given to newbies in the B&H section, who tries to farm up another account with threads like that to get merit. That it is a new person on the forum who makes that kind of thread because he was referred to the forum by a friend seems unlikely to me. 

[lovesmayfamilis]

Myself, I started by advising legendary members

Yes, yes, I remember your textbooks . Nevertheless, few teachers keep their word and do not give up on the forum. Newbies know the theory and may be genuinely trying to "help" the forum, but as practice suffers, we see hundreds of tutorials from "underage" gurus.

I don't know about you, but if I find myself in a new social setting and I'm not entirely sure how to behave or fit in, I usually prefer to take a step back and just observe for a while. Once I feel more comfortable and understand the group dynamics better, I'll naturally start to participate more actively.

This is normal behavior that is usually characteristic of people who are interested in the place where they go. Even offline, we try to look around in the society where we appear for the first time.


But because newcomers come with the intention of only "earning money", they are in a hurry to raise their rank and thus look very funny and naive.

[PytagoraZ]

First point - beginners tend to be blamed for what they do.
If a newbie came along and answered a difficult question of a technical nature - many would say that was Legendary incarnate.

While if newbies come with some common threads like about merit system - that too will be related to some stuff. I think it's a dynamic that happens a lot in forums - but I don't think all newbies are to blame for wanting and trying to get merit. If they could be blamed - I don't think we need to burn them alive without giving him a solutions.

Totally agree with you. I experienced it. I think it's quite difficult being a beginner here. You will be considered an alt if you know too much, and you will be considered a signature campaign hunter if you seek merit.

So, maybe it's better if the beginner has no merit. Then the competition in the signature campaign will not be difficult. After all, there is business here, and most people don't want their income to be disrupted. I'm starting to know how these forums work, and I found out quite late

[DYING_S0UL]

There are several topics that a newbie will create that tells you that this user is not here for the knowledge that this forum has to offer instead they are here to try to milk merit and apply for one signature campaign.

Those who are really newbies here, mostly come because they have a problem, or to offer a service of their own. A small percentage comes from pure curiosity and a desire to learn something more.

I came to this forum via my big brother. Currently he is a Hero ranked member. Like most newbies I too wanted to rank like others. But he said to observe and learn. Merits will come eventually if you are qualified. Also I don't have much activity and I'm nearly 0 to merit and  I have joined for maybe 1year I guess. I'm still learning. As you said out of pure curiosity and desire to learn. So I guess I'll stick to that. I recently received 1 merit and I can't tell you how happy/cheerful/joyful I was. Really can't express the feeling. 

[Patrol69]

To earn merit you need to be a good quality postman first. When new members make good quality posts, their posts will be noticed by senior members and senior members must give merit to the new member in considering the post.  

If earning merit is the main objective then many times many new members resort to various scams. As they directly copy and paste someone else's post, those who do this should be careful because copy post will never bring good to your account. Even if it takes time, one should always move forward by adopting the righteous path. Since each topic has a separate section, it should not take a new member much time to understand everything about the forum.  

If a new member shows keen interest to know about all the topics then I believe that new member will definitely learn about these topics and later informative posts will surely earn his account merit.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

That it is a new person on the forum who makes that kind of thread because he was referred to the forum by a friend seems unlikely to me. 

Well, I was just saying that it could be a case of reference, but I might be wrong. It really could be an Alt account, like you said. But it's even foolish of those Alt account owners to come with a new account and begin to make some topics like that; that makes it obvious for them to be suspected as Alts, and sometimes they still foolishly end up casing the two accounts to be linked and both being tage, leaving them (account owners) under the sun. There was also a thread a newbie created (I can't remember the topic), which resulted in a series of arguments that it was an altcoin. Out of curiosity, I had to go on YouTube to see if there was really any video tutorial on how to use the forum, and guess what? I saw some videos. It made me think that some newbies might also have looked up some videos on YouTube or any other source before they came to the forum. Or don't you think so, sir?

[SmartGold01]

Myself, I started by advising legendary members

Yes, yes, I remember your textbooks . Nevertheless, few teachers keep their word and do not give up on the forum. Newbies know the theory and may be genuinely trying to "help" the forum, but as practice suffers, we see hundreds of tutorials from "underage" gurus.

I don't know about you, but if I find myself in a new social setting and I'm not entirely sure how to behave or fit in, I usually prefer to take a step back and just observe for a while. Once I feel more comfortable and understand the group dynamics better, I'll naturally start to participate more actively.

This is normal behavior that is usually characteristic of people who are interested in the place where they go. Even offline, we try to look around in the society where we appear for the first time.


But because newcomers come with the intention of only "earning money", they are in a hurry to raise their rank and thus look very funny and naive.

I totally agreed with you, I can basically use myself as a case study although it was that very neither did I focused my efforts towards earning merits rather, to be useful and to start creating quality post. Yes of a true after self development I noticed something very swiftly upon me that is so dynamically even I myself can't actually give an adequate answer or reply to what happened to me but I just found myself where I am now.
So, this is to show that putting efforts towards earning merits isn't the ultimate goal and game because people who doesn't want to be useful to the forum might easily come to spam by asking silly questions just as it is related to what op posted here.

Even as that they would come to educate people main while these sets of newbies are meant to seat their ass down to upgrade their wisdom bank before having to come teach people, maybe having to lived by an example also shows a good demonstration of what they are saying or about to do. Yet what do we see, is just newbie wanting the legendary position overnight without having to work on or having t reap where they sow..

... Although I understand that is not easy any way but they always had this mindsets that stages are too difficulty to scale through why because they've refused to focused and bridged the gape between being a dedicated member and a hunter, of course hunters do not have this time to spend in becoming resourceful to the community rather are only centered on a self and immediate gain that is why today we find most newbies facing serious challenging over here.

Instead they always needs a shortcut to bycut the whole process without knowing that they must follow the sequence of the game to be able to gain the required knowledge to be able to scale through forum,. Look those who devoted their time to become resourceful, I mean to focused their efforts on knowing things about the forum never faced any difficulties to either gets to the new rank or easily earned merits which they so much desired. From today I have understand that the forum isn't for the weak or for the dull people.

[scorrem]

newbies who create "how to earn merit" and "how to post quality content" topics in a nutshell


https://i.ibb.co/JdP10yY/image.png

If you see the later videos of this guy, he got some views. So one can always learn from mistakes and improve.

[Latviand]

There are some who simply ask "How can I get merit on Bitcointalk?" and I don't predict a great future for them in this forum because they are the kind of people who expect to have everything handed to them on a platter.

What if they're really curious about, plus saying that you don't expect anything from them but failure is what makes it hard for newbies to even set their foot in the platform, a lot of you veteran users are too hostile when they ask what you consider dumb questions, of course they're dumb inquiries sometimes but you don't really have to reply if you're not answering the question anyway.

[Eternad]

This meme never gets old but sadly the original video is already not available which he should probably reach his goal of 1M views if he never take it down even though he accomplished it more than 3 days.

Update on this guy, He still doesn’t reach the 1 million views target until now.   You can watch his new channel here https://youtu.be/zu3ETGSOLf4

Back to the topic. Just like the meme, It’s very convenient to create tutorial of something as content for possible merit that’s why many newbie choose this path as shorcut to acquire merits.