Portuguese League - Liga Portugal 2023/24

[joker_josue]

In your opinion (and that of anyone who wants to comment), was it a penalty or not?

In this video: https://youtu.be/90cNaRPhFTY?si=fp_hZ62g4OvneTmJ&t=113 you can see in a HD resolution, it's official from TV, but that move was extremely difficult to mark. Costinha's right foot, which would normally have touched the Porto player, didn't touch it. But his left foot, which stuck out awkwardly, could have touched Gonçalo Borges.
If you watch the video, it's easier to understand than explaining it in words hehe
But it was a very strange move.

Curious were the words of the player who allegedly suffered the penalty, Gonçalo Borges:

"It's part of the game. He told me he didn't touch me and obviously he did. We already know how it works inside the area, when he touches you can always create something. In this case, he really touched to fall. We won the penalty that was important in the match. turnaround"

His argument is that inside the area, whenever there is a touch, you can create something. Let each one see the bid, and interpret this sentence in the way they see fit.  

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[joker_josue]

The Portuguese clubs in the Champions League already know their groups:
Group C: Naples, Real Madrid, Braga and Union Berlin
Group D: Benfica, Inter, Salzburg and Real Sociedad
Group H: Barcelona, Porto, Shakhtar Donetsk and Antwerp

Will we see different behavior from these three teams in the next games?


MATCH DAY  4:
^{01.09. 20:15} Vizela vs Gil Vicente
^{02.09. 15:30} Casa Pia vs Rio Ave
^{02.09. 18:00} Famalicão vs Farense
^{02.09. 18:00} Portimonense vs Estrela Amadora
^{02.09. 20:30} Benfica vs Vit. Guimarães
^{03.09. 15:30} Chaves vs Moreirense
^{03.09. 15:30} Estoril vs Boavista
^{03.09. 18:00} Porto vs Arouca
^{03.09. 20:30} Braga vs Sporting
_{Info: day.month. time (Lisbon time)}



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[rdluffy]

Curious were the words of the player who allegedly suffered the penalty, Gonçalo Borges:

"It's part of the game. He told me he didn't touch me and obviously he did. We already know how it works inside the area, when he touches you can always create something. In this case, he really touched to fall. We won the penalty that was important in the match. turnaround"

His argument is that inside the area, whenever there is a touch, you can create something. Let each one see the bid, and interpret this sentence in the way they see fit.  

Many people already suspect that the Porto team is favored by the referees in some games, I've seen it commented on here, and although I don't know for sure if this exists or not, the player made a strange and unnecessary statement in my opinion, the words "create something"  may sound strange, especially if the other player didn't actually touch Gonçalo Borges.

Well after seeing so many failures in the big 5 leagues as they call them this weekend and seeing the graphics here it is clear that I should change my sport bets to this league,I see all teams winning from the top 3 which is Benfica,Porto and Sporting winning their games,all teams in the same weekend.That is great and it shows that bookies do not interfere much in this league because in Serie A no one can remove it from my mind in Italy that there has been interference,it is impossible and less probable for favorites,3 of them to not win in their home field against weaker teams playing in the same day.What a f*cking good contrast I see in this league which I should definitely start betting and hopefully the OP can help by providing some insights before the games so we win all together 

Last year I became more interested in the Portuguese league, because joker_josue made the thread to follow here, and because the matches are being broadcast in my country (via streaming), so I invested more in betting
I got great results, mainly because the top 4 last year lost very few games, so I was able to place multiple bets, which I don't normally do in other leagues
My tip for you is to follow a bit more until you feel more confident and then place your bets, starting with a small amount of money
Be aware that at the start of the championship there may be a few surprises, but over time the teams will settle down
I'm here again to see if I can make a second season profitable.

[swogerino]

The Portuguese clubs in the Champions League already know their groups:
Group C: Naples, Real Madrid, Braga and Union Berlin
Group D: Benfica, Inter, Salzburg and Real Sociedad
Group H: Barcelona, Porto, Shakhtar Donetsk and Antwerp

Will we see different behavior from these three teams in the next games?


MATCH DAY  4:
^{01.09. 20:15} Vizela vs Gil Vicente
^{02.09. 15:30} Casa Pia vs Rio Ave
^{02.09. 18:00} Famalicão vs Farense
^{02.09. 18:00} Portimonense vs Estrela Amadora
^{02.09. 20:30} Benfica vs Vit. Guimarães
^{03.09. 15:30} Chaves vs Moreirense
^{03.09. 15:30} Estoril vs Boavista
^{03.09. 18:00} Porto vs Arouca
^{03.09. 20:30} Braga vs Sporting
_{Info: day.month. time (Lisbon time)}



If you have ideas, for more information to present, tell me to analyze them.

I think the games are easier to analyze right now,Benfica and Porto should have easy wins since they are playing at home.In the other games despite Braga playing at home I think they will be tired from a tiresome game in Athens where they got qualified for the group phase of the Champions League,great achievement for them but I think they will most probably either lose or draw against Sporting.

In their group of Champions League,looks like a group of hell for them with Napoli and Real Madrid out of their reach and they should aim to get a third place to continue in Europa League.

[rdluffy]

I think the games are easier to analyze right now,Benfica and Porto should have easy wins since they are playing at home.In the other games despite Braga playing at home I think they will be tired from a tiresome game in Athens where they got qualified for the group phase of the Champions League,great achievement for them but I think they will most probably either lose or draw against Sporting.

In their group of Champions League,looks like a group of hell for them with Napoli and Real Madrid out of their reach and they should aim to get a third place to continue in Europa League.

I'm not placing any bets today
Benfica's win pays 1.25 and Porto's 1.27, the two add up to only 1.58, but the probability is very high that both will win
The problem is that Braga x Sporting is also on today, and I usually put one of the two in my multiple bets
Today is just a day to watch hehehe

But if I were to bet, I think Sporting have a better chance of winning today's game


I'm happy to see Braga on Champions League, unfortunately they are on the same group of Real and Napoli, but it's ok, at least they will participate
Porto and Benfica have good chances to classify in their groups

[execijutiere]

Famalicao managed to defeat Farense 1-0 at home. The hosts dominated the match and had more chances to score but failed to capitalize on their chances. Of course, it's important for them to get the win, but in the future, perhaps the draw will also be important.
Benfica, on the other hand, put on a show of strength against a strong opponent. Guimaraes, who were undefeated in the first 3 weeks and made 3/3, suffered their first defeat by conceding 4 goals away from Benfica. Of course, I must say that the early red card of Mendes from Guimaraes played a big role in this.

[Slow death]

Yesterday we had more games in the Portuguese league. farmalicao played against farense, farmalicao who came to this game with mixed results in the last 3 games. with 1 draw, 1 victory and 1 defeat which was in their last game before the game against farense, so they needed to win in this game mainly because they were playing at home, while their opponent, Farense, came into this game with 2 losses and 1 win, and before this game they had 1 win, I even expected them to at least get a draw, but they lost. with this defeat they are close to the relegation zone

benfica played against vitoria, it was a game in which benfica didn't have any major difficulties in winning the game, in this game benfica scored 4 goals, they benefited a lot from the mistakes that vitoria made, the first goal was a shot from di maria and a bad defense by the Vitória player that led to Benfica's goal, then came the red card which in my opinion the referee was right in awarding the red card to the Vitória player and then everything was easier for Benfica, even If Vitória were playing with 11 players until the end of the game I highly doubt they would be able to beat Benfica.

later we will have the most anticipated game of the round, which will be the sporting game against braga, in my opinion braga had a bad start to the league probably because they were focused on the champions league games because it is a competition in which they will win money while in the league they know they don't have much chance of becoming champions. So giving priority to the champions league was the best choice in my opinion, now they just need to focus on winning the Portuguese league games to be in the places for access to the European champions league

[LTU_btc]

Porto dropped points against Arouca, game ended 1:1. Rules are rules, but it's ridiculous that in 2nd half 17 minutes were added and 22 were actually played. I would like to hear your comments about penalty that referee awarded in favour of Porto:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVT6V63XuEU Anyway, Porto missed it, but still they managed to grab one point after very late Evanilson goal.
Braga 1:1 Sporting. Result that probably reflects the game. But that golazo that Djalo scored for Braga is must see, such beauty.
So, now we going into international break with 3 teams leading league with 10 points - Boavista, Sporting and Porto.

benfica played against vitoria, it was a game in which benfica didn't have any major difficulties in winning the game, in this game benfica scored 4 goals, they benefited a lot from the mistakes that vitoria made, the first goal was a shot from di maria and a bad defense by the Vitória player that led to Benfica's goal, then came the red card which in my opinion the referee was right in awarding the red card to the Vitória player and then everything was easier for Benfica, even If Vitória were playing with 11 players until the end of the game I highly doubt they would be able to beat Benfica.

Basically, game outcome was decided already after 20 minutes when Vitoria player got red card. They were 1:0 down already and with 10 players remaining, it's difficult to expect that team like Vitoria can give challenge for Benfica.

[joker_josue]

Porto dropped points against Arouca, game ended 1:1. Rules are rules, but it's ridiculous that in 2nd half 17 minutes were added and 22 were actually played. I would like to hear your comments about penalty that referee awarded in favour of Porto:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVT6V63XuEU

Only 4 rounds have been played yet, and we already have shameful games like Porto game against Arouca.
This year, if Porto's opponents want to try to win the championship, they will have to play their games very well, otherwise it will be difficult. Porto will continue to increase its influence on referees and other sports agents.

[rdluffy]

Only 4 rounds have been played yet, and we already have shameful games like Porto game against Arouca.
This year, if Porto's opponents want to try to win the championship, they will have to play their games very well, otherwise it will be difficult. Porto will continue to increase its influence on referees and other sports agents.

And it's already the second Porto game that can be considered controversial
Even so, they've lost first place in the league to Boavista
I hope it won't be like this throughout the championship, even though I bet on Porto being champions
It's a good thing I didn't place the bets, otherwise I would have lost.


Do Boavista have a chance of finishing in the top four this year? Or is it too early to tell?
Since the 16-17 season when Vitória finished 4th, we haven't had a different team in the TOP 4 (Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Braga)

[shogun47]

Only 4 rounds have been played yet, and we already have shameful games like Porto game against Arouca.
This year, if Porto's opponents want to try to win the championship, they will have to play their games very well, otherwise it will be difficult. Porto will continue to increase its influence on referees and other sports agents.

And it's already the second Porto game that can be considered controversial
Even so, they've lost first place in the league to Boavista
I hope it won't be like this throughout the championship, even though I bet on Porto being champions
It's a good thing I didn't place the bets, otherwise I would have lost.


Do Boavista have a chance of finishing in the top four this year? Or is it too early to tell?
Since the 16-17 season when Vitória finished 4th, we haven't had a different team in the TOP 4 (Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Braga)

It's interesting to think about what role Boavista could play this season in Primeira Liga, but I would wait for a couple of more games before I draw any conclusions. Their statistics look overwhelmingly good because of the game against Benfica, which was probably one of the wildest games I have ever seen in my life. That doesn't happen every day that a game gets turned around with two goals in extra time. But it was the case this time for them and that is why they are at the top looking strong. But they've been playing pretty good in the other games as well, so they might be ready for a surprise.

[joker_josue]

Do Boavista have a chance of finishing in the top four this year? Or is it too early to tell?
Since the 16-17 season when Vitória finished 4th, we haven't had a different team in the TOP 4 (Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Braga)

Before Braga was considered the 4th team in the Portuguese championship, it was Boavista that became champion in 2000-2001. Braga has never been champion.

That's why if we look at the historical element, we see this possibility. If I look at the reality of the teams, I honestly believe not. Maybe it will come in 5th place.



MATCH DAY  4 - RESULTS:
Braga 1-1 Sporting
Porto 1-1 Arouca
Chaves 1-2 Moreirense
Estoril 1-2 Boavista
Benfica 4-0 Vit. Guimarães
Famalicão 1-0 Farense
Portimonense 1-1 Estrela Amadora
Casa Pia 1-1 Rio Ave
Vizela 1-0 Gil Vicente


FEATURED MATCH - STATISTICS:

	Braga 1-1 Sporting
56%	Ball possession	44%
6	Goal attempts	4
2	Goal kick	2
4	Kick out	2
13	Free kick	19
4	Corner kick	2
3	Offside	4
18	Touch line	35
1	Goalkeeper defenses	1
16	Fouls	9
0	Red cards	0
2	Yellow cards	5
126	Attacks	102
60	Dangerous Attacks	45

LEADERBOARD:

POS	Team	PLD	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	PTS
1	Boavista	4	3	1	0	10	5	5	10
2	Porto	4	3	1	0	7	4	3	10
3	Sporting	4	3	1	0	7	4	3	10
4	Benfica	4	3	0	1	11	5	6	9
5	Vit. Guimarães	4	3	0	1	5	5	0	9
6	Famalicão	4	2	1	1	3	2	1	7
7	Arouca	4	1	3	0	8	7	1	6
8	Casa Pia	4	1	2	1	6	4	2	5
9	Braga	3	1	1	1	6	5	1	4
10	Moreirense	3	1	1	1	3	3	0	4
11	Rio Ave	4	1	1	2	4	5	-1	4
12	Vizela	4	1	1	2	5	7	-2	4
13	Estrela Amadora	4	1	1	2	3	5	-2	4
14	Gil Vicente	4	1	0	3	8	6	2	3
15	Farense	4	1	0	3	6	6	0	3
16	Estoril	4	1	0	3	7	8	-1	3
17	Portimonense	4	0	2	2	3	11	-8	2
18	Chaves	4	0	0	4	3	13	-10	0

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POS - League Position, PLD - Games Played, PTS - Points Earned
W - Games Won, L - Games Lost, D - Games Drawn
GD - Goal Difference, GF - Goal For, GA - Goal Against

[execijutiere]

Porto drew with Arouca at home. The hosts started the match fast and struggled to find a goal until the last minutes. Although Arouca took a 1-0 lead in the 84th minute, they failed to win the match. Porto won a penalty in the 90+15th minute but failed to convert it into a goal. In 90+18 Evanilson scored for his team and they managed to get a draw. I didn't expect Porto to struggle so much.

[rdluffy]

It's interesting to think about what role Boavista could play this season in Primeira Liga, but I would wait for a couple of more games before I draw any conclusions. Their statistics look overwhelmingly good because of the game against Benfica, which was probably one of the wildest games I have ever seen in my life. That doesn't happen every day that a game gets turned around with two goals in extra time. But it was the case this time for them and that is why they are at the top looking strong. But they've been playing pretty good in the other games as well, so they might be ready for a surprise.

It would be good for Portuguese soccer if the top four of recent years changed a little
Yes, it's too early to project any position in the league, but Boavista have started very well, it's super important to get a good start and even more so by beating the current champions

Before Braga was considered the 4th team in the Portuguese championship, it was Boavista that became champion in 2000-2001. Braga has never been champion.
That's why if we look at the historical element, we see this possibility. If I look at the reality of the teams, I honestly believe not. Maybe it will come in 5th place.

As I said above, it would be good if Portuguese soccer changed the order of the top four a little, so that the level could rise in general
Now I need to take a good look at these pause because my bets were working well last year as I was able to make good multiples on the top 3 + Braga
It could be that I now have to bet on the 3 + Boavista hehe, or even more risky, make 5 multiples 

[shogun47]

It's interesting to think about what role Boavista could play this season in Primeira Liga, but I would wait for a couple of more games before I draw any conclusions. Their statistics look overwhelmingly good because of the game against Benfica, which was probably one of the wildest games I have ever seen in my life. That doesn't happen every day that a game gets turned around with two goals in extra time. But it was the case this time for them and that is why they are at the top looking strong. But they've been playing pretty good in the other games as well, so they might be ready for a surprise.

It would be good for Portuguese soccer if the top four of recent years changed a little
Yes, it's too early to project any position in the league, but Boavista have started very well, it's super important to get a good start and even more so by beating the current champions

This really depends because keep in mind that Portugal only has one direct qualification and one indirect qualifier for the Champions League. Benfica Lissabon and Porto have been the most important clubs for the Primeira Liga to be successfully represented at international competitions. On the one hand I agree that some variation would be good for the league domestically as it would raise the excitement, but on the other hand it is important the really the best teams of a league are also those representing the league at the European competitions. For me this is Porto and Benfica.

[Slow death]

It's interesting to think about what role Boavista could play this season in Primeira Liga, but I would wait for a couple of more games before I draw any conclusions. Their statistics look overwhelmingly good because of the game against Benfica, which was probably one of the wildest games I have ever seen in my life. That doesn't happen every day that a game gets turned around with two goals in extra time. But it was the case this time for them and that is why they are at the top looking strong. But they've been playing pretty good in the other games as well, so they might be ready for a surprise.

It would be good for Portuguese soccer if the top four of recent years changed a little
Yes, it's too early to project any position in the league, but Boavista have started very well, it's super important to get a good start and even more so by beating the current champions

This really depends because keep in mind that Portugal only has one direct qualification and one indirect qualifier for the Champions League. Benfica Lissabon and Porto have been the most important clubs for the Primeira Liga to be successfully represented at international competitions. On the one hand I agree that some variation would be good for the league domestically as it would raise the excitement, but on the other hand it is important the really the best teams of a league are also those representing the league at the European competitions. For me this is Porto and Benfica.

it gets funny when you compare the premier league with the Portuguese league:

premier league:

https://www.transfermarkt.pt/premier-league/startseite/wettbewerb/GB1

In the Premier League, only two teams have a market value below 200 million euros, the rest of the teams have a market value above 220 million euros, and 17 of the 20 teams in the Premier League have a market value above 285 million euros. and when we look at the Portuguese league we see this:

https://www.transfermarkt.pt/liga-nos/startseite/wettbewerb/PO1

Benfica has a market value of 344 million euros, then comes Porto with 283 million euros and lastly there is Sporting with 241 million euros. Braga only has 124 million euros and the rest of the teams are all below 50 million euros. This means that apart from Benfica, Porto, Sporting and Braga, all Portuguese teams have a lower market value than the lowest team in the Premier League in terms of market value, Luton Town has 85 million euros in market value, and the team with the lowest market value in the premier league. this difference between premier league teams and teams from the Portuguese league is very big.

There is also the issue of places for the champions league, which I don't even need to mention, because it is a big difference too. But my point in posting this, is that looking at the Portuguese teams, you realize that apart from Porto, Benfica, Sporting and Braga, the other teams have no chance of winning the league or reaching the European Champions League. I don't understand why there are no rich people interested in buying Portuguese teams, is it possible that the law in Portugal prohibits anyone from buying a team? because the only way for the other teams to have the same chances as the big 4 teams, would be if they are bought by someone rich willing to invest in the team


estrela amadora - porto

I hope Porto doesn't use their red card or penalty scheme or we see a lot of extra minutes in this game for them to win, the opponent is not very strong, so at least in this game Porto should be able to win fairly, It is becoming very obvious that they are using cheating to win, at least I hope that in this game they win fairly

[joker_josue]

There is also the issue of places for the champions league, which I don't even need to mention, because it is a big difference too. But my point in posting this, is that looking at the Portuguese teams, you realize that apart from Porto, Benfica, Sporting and Braga, the other teams have no chance of winning the league or reaching the European Champions League. I don't understand why there are no rich people interested in buying Portuguese teams, is it possible that the law in Portugal prohibits anyone from buying a team? because the only way for the other teams to have the same chances as the big 4 teams, would be if they are bought by someone rich willing to invest in the team

There is no law that prohibits it. In fact, we have at least two clubs that have millionaires as owners:
Estoril Praia - David Blitzer
Famalicão - Idan Ofer

In the case of Famalicão, this investment has been evident, because it was a team that was not capable of being competitive, but since the investment they have not left the first division.

The problem with there being more interest in Portugal from these investors is the revenue generated. Television rights are very low, so small clubs have very low revenue. Not to mention, the clubs only have a full stadium when they play Benfica, Porto and Sporting. Otherwise, there will be less than 5000 people attending. See the numbers: https://www.ligaportugal.pt/pt/liga/estatisticas/espectadores/clube/20232024/ligaportugalbetclic

[joker_josue]

After the break for the selections, we return to the championship. Below is the list for the 5th round, this weekend.

MATCH DAY  5:
^{16.09. 15:30} Rio Ave vs Famalicão
^{16.09. 18:00} Farense vs Braga
^{16.09. 20:30} Vizela vs Benfica
^{17.09. 15:30} Arouca vs Casa Pia
^{17.09. 15:30} Gil Vicente vs Estoril
^{17.09. 18:00} Vit. Guimarães vs Portimonense
^{17.09. 20:30} Sporting vs Moreirense
^{18.09. 20:15} Boavista vs Chaves
_{Info: day.month. time (Lisbon time)}



During this period of time, a game that was delayed from the 3rd round was played. Here's the result:
MATCH DAY  3 - RESULTS (game delayed):
Moreirense 2-3 Braga

[execijutiere]

I have to say that I'm facing a result in the Portuguese league that I didn't expect.I didn't expect Braga to lose in this match, at least if we look at today's match.Farense was not better than their opponent, but it was a match where whoever scored the goals won.Braga looked like a team that would be hard to beat if we look at their last matches, but today Farense managed to beat a tough opponent at home. I was expecting Fartense to score because they have scored against teams like Sporting and Porto, so they will definitely score at home.Too bad for Braga because they have a Champions League match against Napoli this week.They will be a bit demoralized but now they will have to focus on the Napoli match.

[Slow death]

There is also the issue of places for the champions league, which I don't even need to mention, because it is a big difference too. But my point in posting this, is that looking at the Portuguese teams, you realize that apart from Porto, Benfica, Sporting and Braga, the other teams have no chance of winning the league or reaching the European Champions League. I don't understand why there are no rich people interested in buying Portuguese teams, is it possible that the law in Portugal prohibits anyone from buying a team? because the only way for the other teams to have the same chances as the big 4 teams, would be if they are bought by someone rich willing to invest in the team

There is no law that prohibits it. In fact, we have at least two clubs that have millionaires as owners:
Estoril Praia - David Blitzer
Famalicão - Idan Ofer

In the case of Famalicão, this investment has been evident, because it was a team that was not capable of being competitive, but since the investment they have not left the first division.

The problem with there being more interest in Portugal from these investors is the revenue generated. Television rights are very low, so small clubs have very low revenue. Not to mention, the clubs only have a full stadium when they play Benfica, Porto and Sporting. Otherwise, there will be less than 5000 people attending. See the numbers: https://www.ligaportugal.pt/pt/liga/estatisticas/espectadores/clube/20232024/ligaportugalbetclic

Since I was a child, I used to see my relatives and neighbors in my country always arguing when there were Sporting, Benfica and Porto games, but I didn't hear anything about other Portuguese teams, I always wondered why in Portugal people don't support others. teams, that gets weird. because each team usually comes from a city and neighborhood and it is common for people from that city or neighborhood to support their local team. but in the case of Portugal, the Benfica, Porto and Sporting teams have won over people from other parts of Portugal to the point that when there are games from these 3 big teams against each other, people stop supporting the team from their city and start supporting the teams big ones

here in my country, until today, when there is a game in my country's league and at the same time there is a game involving the 3 teams from Portugal, people in my country stop watching the games in my country's league and watch the games in my country. Portuguese league if they are Porto, Benfica and Sporting games and that's not all. the part that for many years has made me laugh a lot and when my country's league ends and the winner of the league emerges. no one goes out on the street to celebrate. no one cares. But when Sporting or Porto or Benfica become champions, I see a lot of people wearing the shirts of those teams and they spend the whole night celebrating a lot, the party is long and unbelievable, every year it has always been like this in my country.


the 3 big teams won, but they weren't very convincing victories in the case of Porto who only managed to score just 1 goal, but at least this time there was no referee interference in the game, so Porto won on merit or at least that's what it seemed . while benfica did better than porto in their game against vizela although benfica conceded 1 goal, they still scored 2 goals and had 70% possession of the ball. Sporting had no difficulty winning, scoring 3 goals and not conceding any goals and are at the top of the table. I'm wondering if Sporting could be champions this season