AfreecaTV StarCraft League Season 16 Prediction and Info Thread

[tokeweed]

Pretty much aware that not a lot of people are into SC/BW.  But it's really fun to watch with or without any bets.  I'll keep trying to get you guys into this brilliant game just like I had some part of getting some of you into the UFC...    Enjoy.

Will update the thread as needed.

AfreecaTV StarCraft League Remastered Season 16



Format:  Tournament
Venue:  AfreecaTV Studios, Seoul, South Korea
Start Date:  August 14, 2023
End Date:  October 13, 2023
Info:  https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/AfreecaTV/StarCraft_League_Remastered/16

Live Stream (Korean):  http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar1
Live Stream (English):  http://play.afreecatv.com/dth03119

Round of 24

Betting markets available at Stake and Sportsbet.  LFG!



Play Off Stages

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[tokeweed]

Group A for the Round of 24 starts in around 30 mins or so.  Here's the English stream...

https://play.afreecatv.com/dth03119

Korean stream in OP.  Enjoy!

Betting market is at Stake.  I hope Rollbit listens to my request and sets one up soon.  GL!

https://stake.com/sports/starcraft-1

No value for Soma and Mini...  The guys who I think should win, but taking small shot at Mong since Soma didn't look good last tourney.  

Edit:  Typos.

[owengtam09]

Right now I am new in this I am not really a gamer but just like you I also like watching games like battle realms or this one starcraft or watching Diablo back then with my friends, surely I was really happy just watching the games but I am not really playing it, but surely I had some idea on what is Zerg, Terran, and Protos maybe I would play the the old game with the expansion set, surely this is my 1st time going inthis thread and pretty much there is no one in here but us,

I see that the 1st games will start today August 14, 2023 or due to timeline it will be tomorrow, because  for sure I can not see any details yet and can not watch any video right because I was at the office right now and there are sites that are blocked in out office, but will surely follow what information you will post here and will research the teams that many got into the finals or might win this tournament,

[tokeweed]

^  I'm not much of a SC/BW gamer too but I played it a lot as a kid.  My brothers and cousins were into the SC progaming scene so I kinda knew what's going on...  And as a sports betting afficionado, I think there's some value in these lines because not a lot of people know about the game.

Anyway, here are the results of groups A and B.  All winners were expected except one...  This guy 'Calm'.  He was almost a 3 to 1 underdog but he plays pretty good ZvZ and ZvP.  Looking forward in watching him at the next round.

[owengtam09]

^  I'm not much of a SC/BW gamer too but I played it a lot as a kid.  My brothers and cousins were into the SC progaming scene so I kinda knew what's going on...  And as a sports betting afficionado, I think there's some value in these lines because not a lot of people know about the game.

Anyway, here are the results of groups A and B.  All winners were expected except one...  This guy 'Calm'.  He was almost a 3 to 1 underdog but he plays pretty good ZvZ and ZvP.  Looking forward in watching him at the next round.

For sure it was really that popular back then and back then and now I am still a noob about this game even though I have played it before I still don't know what I am doing because of so many upgrades and requirements to build something, actually, I am still not well versed on this kind of things, but surely if your brother and cousins are playing Starcraft back then did you notice the MOD one with a Gundam on it, I actually come across it once back then and it was really a neat addition,

Is this youtube Channel updated? or it is the latest match-ups https://www.youtube.com/@afreecatvesports432

In Group A Zoma is doing fine and now has a dominant position in Group A and Mini is in 2nd, while Group B has Calm with a dominant win while Soulkey is at the 2nd place, Calm is surely playing well actually and I will not be surprised if he got this championship,

[tokeweed]

^  They never played any mod.  Everything they did was what they thought was the coolest because they fan boy'd over what the popular progamers did at the time.  So what they did, I tried to copy...  Stuff like build orders and timing attacks.

This channel is updated faster.  The commentary isn't really good tho.  I'd rather watch the Korean livestream even though I don't understand Korean that much.  There's just more excitement.

https://www.youtube.com/@StarCastTV

But if you can wait, it's better to watch it with Artosis and Tasteless' commentaries in AfreecaTV's channel.  They usually upload it later but it's worth the wait.

Group C winners...  Both underdogs won their first matches.  



So we got two new faces getting into the Round of 16.  Calm and Killer, both Zerg players and both looking good.

[owengtam09]

^  They never played any mod.  Everything they did was what they thought was the coolest because they fan boy'd over what the popular progamers did at the time.  So what they did, I tried to copy...  Stuff like build orders and timing attacks.

This channel is updated faster.  The commentary isn't really good tho.  I'd rather watch the Korean livestream even though I don't understand Korean that much.  There's just more excitement.

https://www.youtube.com/@StarCastTV

But if you can wait, it's better to watch it with Artosis and Tasteless' commentaries in AfreecaTV's channel.  They usually upload it later but it's worth the wait.

Group C winners...  Both underdogs won their first matches.  



So we got two new faces getting into the Round of 16.  Calm and Killer, both Zerg players and both looking good.

Oh! That is OK I was just going to ask if you played the modded one as well, but surely modded is not for the tournament for sure, but for me, this is just my take on the Gundam modded Starcraft it is awesome but surely if you are a starcraft avid fan you would like your game to not be modded at all, this is just my take on the Modded game version,

For sure many have tried the move set and strategy of pro gamers on their own game, and sometimes you are probably proud that you have made the unthinkable and accomplished 1 of that gameplay,

Thank you for that link, but even though I want an updated version, it will surely do I think I will study those teams and the gameplay of those available players, this is still a great watch and review for sure,

[tokeweed]

^  Yup and it helps if you play the game yourself and learn the build orders and stuff.  I think you could now download the original SC/BW anthology for free.  Not sure but akaik it is since Blizzard release StarCraft Remastered.

If you really want to get deep into it a bit more but you don't know where to ask questions about the game, TL.net is the go to forum.  Some of the guys over there have been there for years...  It's really impressive to have that kind of motivation. 

https://tl.net/forum/?filter=broodwar

[owengtam09]

^  Yup and it helps if you play the game yourself and learn the build orders and stuff.  I think you could now download the original SC/BW anthology for free.  Not sure but akaik it is since Blizzard release StarCraft Remastered.

If you really want to get deep into it a bit more but you don't know where to ask questions about the game, TL.net is the go to forum.  Some of the guys over there have been there for years...  It's really impressive to have that kind of motivation.  

https://tl.net/forum/?filter=broodwar

Actually, for a newbie to the game, I surely have some basic ideas on how the game works but I am not that well knowledgeable with some faction's resources and line requirements for a certain unit, most of the time not reading what to do led on the worst decision and scenario's but surely that was back then when I was just a student, my classmates were very busy playing it while I was just watching the game and don't really have any idea what is happening and I felt curious about it back then, all I learned back then was how to attack and who to attack, my classmates said that the different color-coded units are the enemies, but you can also put some allies in the game,

It was really fun maybe I will download the whole expansion in a free sharing site to play the game then when I am well verse with the old version maybe going into the Starcraft 2 is my next target, well thanks for the advice I really like this conversation it brings back memories of my past,

[tokeweed]

^  I was gonna give you another merit for saying that you wanted to learn more about the game but since you also said you were also interested in playing SC2, well...  No merits for you.    StarCraft 2 doesn't exist in my universe.  Lol.    

I mean seriously, try learning the basic mechanics of SC1 and after having some decent skill playing it, go try SC2.  You'll get what I'm saying.  There's just no comparison.

[rdbase]

^  Yup and it helps if you play the game yourself and learn the build orders and stuff.  I think you could now download the original SC/BW anthology for free.  Not sure but akaik it is since Blizzard release StarCraft Remastered.

If you really want to get deep into it a bit more but you don't know where to ask questions about the game, TL.net is the go to forum.  Some of the guys over there have been there for years...  It's really impressive to have that kind of motivation. 

https://tl.net/forum/?filter=broodwar

Thought I had seen some one mention about this 25 year old game. And to hear they are having professional tournament based on it was pretty unbelievable to hear.
You can receive the whole anthology for free from blizzard? Although I thought they went defunct years ago.
They probably still have some sort of branch of the company still inoperation just under a different name.
Such as what happened to CD Projekt RED after cyberpunk and getting reassigned to another company.

[tokeweed]

^  Not sure about some branch of the company.  But I checked Blizzard's site and it looks like the removed the free download of the SC/BW anthology prolly a few months after the released StarCraft Remastered.  It's still the original game but with slightly improved graphics.  They sell it cheap for 14 bucks.  That's like just a couple of coffees from Starbucks.  Lol.  

Anyway, Groups D to F are playing this week!  And as far as leans go, I'd go for Light ZerO Bisu and Action.  And I feel like Sharp could pull the upset.  Jaedong is erratic at times.  Check the betting market at Stake to see the lines.

[tokeweed]

...  And Sharp did pull an upset vs Jaedong.  I think Jaedong was lined at like 1.35 or something.  I don't how the books lined him so deep vs a somewhat decent Terran player.  Maybe 10 years ago, I'd agree with the line.  But now?  Pffft.  That's highway robbery.

And owengtam09, here's are a couple of replays with the best commentary you'll ever find.

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UBGRUr0F0I

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ekHUN5gLYI

There's more coming as the tourney progresses. 

[tokeweed]

Here are the results of groups D to F.  A couple of surprises here as two of the most consistent guys who proceed to Round of 16 are out, ZerO and Light.  And Ample, a guy who isn't really that good of a player beat one of the best Zerg players in the tourney...  Twice!  Lol.

So yeah...  On we go to the Round of 16.  Group selection and the draw will be on August 28.



Here's the replay for Group C with Artosis and Tasteless.  Enjoy...

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEfVHO4gm8

[owengtam09]

^  I was gonna give you another merit for saying that you wanted to learn more about the game but since you also said you were also interested in playing SC2, well...  No merits for you.    StarCraft 2 doesn't exist in my universe.  Lol.    

I mean seriously, try learning the basic mechanics of SC1 and after having some decent skill playing it, go try SC2.  You'll get what I'm saying.  There's just no comparison.

  I surely wanted to play both but because I surely don't know the basics of the 1st game I will 1st master the old game for sure before going into Starcraft 2 It is, well You are right in saying that I should go with the basic 1st before anything else that is and yes there is no good one but the 1st Starcraft game for sure, Sorry I was busy with something and can't visit this thread more often and I surely missed the games but I have watched the replay,

...  And Sharp did pull an upset vs Jaedong.  I think Jaedong was lined at like 1.35 or something.  I don't how the books lined him so deep vs a somewhat decent Terran player.  Maybe 10 years ago, I'd agree with the line.  But now?  Pffft.  That's highway robbery.

And owengtam09, here's are a couple of replays with the best commentary you'll ever find.

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UBGRUr0F0I

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ekHUN5gLYI

There's more coming as the tourney progresses.  

Thanks for this and watching it now and searching for the games but surely I still can not understand what they are doing because I was still working on studying the game for sure and they are using 7 maps in this tournament, but how many maps do the Starwars have? actually, I didn't count it but watching this video I was curious if they have more than that, I am not giving many important details for sure but It is an added bonus to try all of the maps for sure, actually I was interested when they are starting the game and mining crystals but building your 1st build was really exciting, and you know that both you and your opponent doesn't have much and scouting your opponent is not really the priority but I was shock that you can do this to navigate your opponent easily,

[tokeweed]

^  The best map for learning is a stock map in the game called The Lost Temple.  It's one of the best maps for 1v1 games back in the day and was one of the favorite maps among pros.  So yeah learn to play in that.

And the easiest race to play is Zerg.  At least for me.  Go search for a guide for Zerg build orders online.  It's easy and when you get a hang of it, you could learn other more advanced stuff like which tech trees to go for in game.  I'm telling you, SC/BW is the only game that got me hooked.

Anyway, here are a couple more vids from Tastosis.

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEfVHO4gm8

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taPP871w6NM

Round of 16 next week!  Rooting for the new guys, Calm and Killer to go next round.

[owengtam09]

^  The best map for learning is a stock map in the game called The Lost Temple.  It's one of the best maps for 1v1 games back in the day and was one of the favorite maps among pros.  So yeah learn to play in that.

And the easiest race to play is Zerg.  At least for me.  Go search for a guide for Zerg build orders online.  It's easy and when you get a hang of it, you could learn other more advanced stuff like which tech trees to go for in game.  I'm telling you, SC/BW is the only game that got me hooked.

Anyway, here are a couple more vids from Tastosis.

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEfVHO4gm8

AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taPP871w6NM

Round of 16 next week!  Rooting for the new guys, Calm and Killer to go next round.

Great Recommendation with the map it is kind of the Center Ring from Battle Realms if I am not mistaken, for sure I will learn in playing on that actually canceling all modifications and will play the original design, and for sure The Lost Temple is one of the maps that is easy to be remembered,

Actually, I like the design of the Protoss, They are a more advanced alien tech kind of design and it was crazy playing it for sure, While I am still really confused with the Zerg, but for sure will definitely try it out next time, searching for an advance tutorial on how to play the Zerg,

And nice game Group C's first game was Zerg VS vs. Protoss and watching it was really great I kind of liked learning the game at the same time while watching that game, it was really entertaining so thanks for the share,

[tokeweed]

^  Try these strats and see what you like...

https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/436604-collection-of-strategy-threads

Those are written really well and emphizes the build order from start to finish for each strat and for each race.  Enjoy.  

Anyway, the betting market for Round of 16 is up at Stake.

https://stake.com/sports/starcraft-1

Rooting for Calm to win his first match.  He's somewhat a huge underdog, almost paying 4 to 1 for your money...  Don't do as I do and don't do as I say.  

[owengtam09]

^  Try these strats and see what you like...

https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/436604-collection-of-strategy-threads

Those are written really well and emphizes the build order from start to finish for each strat and for each race.  Enjoy.  

Anyway, the betting market for Round of 16 is up at Stake.

https://stake.com/sports/starcraft-1

Rooting for Calm to win his first match.  He's somewhat a huge underdog, almost paying 4 to 1 for your money...  Don't do as I do and don't do as I say.  

WOW! Thanks to these strategies I will surely look for some combo and surely the Zerg has the ability to rapidly increase the Zergling so much that you can surely do a Zergling rush, sure disrupt your opponent gathering and strategy I was having a ton of fun with the Zerg for now and Sorry was busy playing it on the laptop maybe I would build a PC so I can play it on my wide Screen I think this is a great game if we have a widescreen monitor ready for this all I need was a great build on a PC for sure,

Actually, because I was busy I didn't make a bet on the tournament and I didn't monitor the tournament on who had already won or who made progress with their wins,

[tokeweed]

^  Lol.  No need to 'build' a PC for a very old game.  Any decent hardware would do.  What you need to buy is a gaming mouse and a nice keyboard...  It doesn't have to be one of those keyboards with special key caps.  Most keyboards would do.  But yeah, gaming mouse is a must.  It just makes everything feel fast and accurate...  Makes it easier to micro.

I'm watching Ro16 Group C now.  No bets tho.  I lost some money with Adesanaya being on top of all my parlays.  Lol.  I thought I was gonna have a decent night.