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September 01, 2023, 01:46:10 PM
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If Charlo wins then no changes for what Crawford desires, he will face instead the winner and proceed to his own timeline.

But technically speaking, although everything is possible to happen including an upset win by Charlo, I don't see any advantages he can use against the prime Canelo. I remember when Bivol was facing Canelo, only a few believed that the former would win but the result didn't say the same. I can't apply that same scenario to Charlo facing Canelo.

Anyway, let's wait for the winner of the Canelo-Charlo bout and speculate everything from there.

Both the players Charlo and Crawford had their equal opportunities to win the game.The players should try equal try to win the game.The game between Bivol and Canelo itself explain the exact situation now.The crowd opinion is Canelo,but the same was changed at the end.Bivol win the game with the support of the judges.I hope same will not happen now to Canelo.Even now the crowd opinion will be Canelo compared to the Crawford.When you compared the support of 100 people in the community,the seventy people will support Canelo.

At that time, it was so hard to support and bet against Canelo Alvarez because honestly, we've certainly known him far more compared to Dmitry Bivol who is just a champion on our eyes but wasn't really a threat because he doesn't have someone strong in his record that he already defeated. And so, at that time, we did expected that Canelo can defeat Bivol because that wasn't Canelo's first fight at 175 either as he already managed to defeat a boxer way back named Kovalev.

But then, we thought it wrong because Bivol proved to us that he's definitely a different boxer than Kovalev and can defend his belt successfully unlike the latter. In-fact at that time when he fought Canelo, Bivol was under heavy pressure because it was also the beginning of Russia-Ukraine war.

We can't really compare Kovalev and Bivol though, Kovalev is already old when he fought Canelo, and it's obvious that he was targeted by team Canelo because they know that even if it is a huge jump to 175 lbs for Canelo that time, their chances to defeat him is huge.

And then Bivol was young and has the volume punching that Canelo didn't expect. But Canelo feel proud about that fight and Bivol was almost got robbed by the results from the judges scorecard.

I guess you can say that but you're just avoiding the point, Canelo's camp might've targeted Sergey Kovalev at that time because they believed that Canelo's fire is still too hot to handle by the other boxer that he will come across and just like what they have thought, Canelo successfully defeated Kovalev who at that time was a champion at LHW.

Age might've been a factor, but it doesn't really matter because at that time, Canelo was already unstoppable. And while having the same thought, they tried to approach LHW again because the new champion, who is Bivol, does have a record that doesn't really stand out compared to Kovalev who is a KO artist. That is why they thought that if they managed to upset Kovalev who got a much better rapsheet then there should be no problem against Bivol. And that's where they made a mistake.

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September 01, 2023, 01:58:09 PM
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If Charlo wins then no changes for what Crawford desires, he will face instead the winner and proceed to his own timeline.

But technically speaking, although everything is possible to happen including an upset win by Charlo, I don't see any advantages he can use against the prime Canelo. I remember when Bivol was facing Canelo, only a few believed that the former would win but the result didn't say the same. I can't apply that same scenario to Charlo facing Canelo.

Anyway, let's wait for the winner of the Canelo-Charlo bout and speculate everything from there.

Both the players Charlo and Crawford had their equal opportunities to win the game.The players should try equal try to win the game.The game between Bivol and Canelo itself explain the exact situation now.The crowd opinion is Canelo,but the same was changed at the end.Bivol win the game with the support of the judges.I hope same will not happen now to Canelo.Even now the crowd opinion will be Canelo compared to the Crawford.When you compared the support of 100 people in the community,the seventy people will support Canelo.

It's all Bivol though and not on the judges hand, on the contrary they could have cheated Bivol in that fight as the scores is very close. But I guess they understood that they change the score to favor Canelo because that will be madness and there will be a controversy in it.
Will be interesting though what Charlo will look at 168 lbs, looking at the pictures doing their face-off, he is taller than Canelo.
So there is still room for him to make more weight to be able to make the Super middleweight class.
Although Canelo is stockier build and so his frame looks big as compare to Charlo.

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September 01, 2023, 02:52:01 PM
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If Charlo wins then no changes for what Crawford desires, he will face instead the winner and proceed to his own timeline.

But technically speaking, although everything is possible to happen including an upset win by Charlo, I don't see any advantages he can use against the prime Canelo. I remember when Bivol was facing Canelo, only a few believed that the former would win but the result didn't say the same. I can't apply that same scenario to Charlo facing Canelo.

Anyway, let's wait for the winner of the Canelo-Charlo bout and speculate everything from there.

Both the players Charlo and Crawford had their equal opportunities to win the game.The players should try equal try to win the game.The game between Bivol and Canelo itself explain the exact situation now.The crowd opinion is Canelo,but the same was changed at the end.Bivol win the game with the support of the judges.I hope same will not happen now to Canelo.Even now the crowd opinion will be Canelo compared to the Crawford.When you compared the support of 100 people in the community,the seventy people will support Canelo.

It's all Bivol though and not on the judges hand, on the contrary they could have cheated Bivol in that fight as the scores is very close. But I guess they understood that they change the score to favor Canelo because that will be madness and there will be a controversy in it.
Will be interesting though what Charlo will look at 168 lbs, looking at the pictures doing their face-off, he is taller than Canelo.
So there is still room for him to make more weight to be able to make the Super middleweight class.
Although Canelo is stockier build and so his frame looks big as compare to Charlo.

We'll have to wait and see, but Canelo has proven to be virtually unbeatable in his current division. This makes it highly unlikely that Charlo will upset him in their upcoming fight. It's possible that Charlo might consider moving up in weight classes after this bout, where he could potentially dominate in a heavier division.

In the current division, it appears that Canelo reigns supreme, and he seems to be eagerly waiting for a formidable challenge. One fighter who could provide that challenge is Crawford, who is very popular and might attempt to defeat Canelo to make history. The prospect of a Canelo vs. Crawford match is indeed intriguing, even if it means that Crawford would have to climb three weight divisions, which is a significant risk. However, Crawford is known for being a risk-taker, so we'll have to trust in his abilities.



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September 01, 2023, 08:24:42 PM
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If Charlo wins then no changes for what Crawford desires, he will face instead the winner and proceed to his own timeline.

But technically speaking, although everything is possible to happen including an upset win by Charlo, I don't see any advantages he can use against the prime Canelo. I remember when Bivol was facing Canelo, only a few believed that the former would win but the result didn't say the same. I can't apply that same scenario to Charlo facing Canelo.

Anyway, let's wait for the winner of the Canelo-Charlo bout and speculate everything from there.

Both the players Charlo and Crawford had their equal opportunities to win the game.The players should try equal try to win the game.The game between Bivol and Canelo itself explain the exact situation now.The crowd opinion is Canelo,but the same was changed at the end.Bivol win the game with the support of the judges.I hope same will not happen now to Canelo.Even now the crowd opinion will be Canelo compared to the Crawford.When you compared the support of 100 people in the community,the seventy people will support Canelo.

At that time, it was so hard to support and bet against Canelo Alvarez because honestly, we've certainly known him far more compared to Dmitry Bivol who is just a champion on our eyes but wasn't really a threat because he doesn't have someone strong in his record that he already defeated. And so, at that time, we did expected that Canelo can defeat Bivol because that wasn't Canelo's first fight at 175 either as he already managed to defeat a boxer way back named Kovalev.

But then, we thought it wrong because Bivol proved to us that he's definitely a different boxer than Kovalev and can defend his belt successfully unlike the latter. In-fact at that time when he fought Canelo, Bivol was under heavy pressure because it was also the beginning of Russia-Ukraine war.

We can't really compare Kovalev and Bivol though, Kovalev is already old when he fought Canelo, and it's obvious that he was targeted by team Canelo because they know that even if it is a huge jump to 175 lbs for Canelo that time, their chances to defeat him is huge.

And then Bivol was young and has the volume punching that Canelo didn't expect. But Canelo feel proud about that fight and Bivol was almost got robbed by the results from the judges scorecard.

I guess you can say that but you're just avoiding the point, Canelo's camp might've targeted Sergey Kovalev at that time because they believed that Canelo's fire is still too hot to handle by the other boxer that he will come across and just like what they have thought, Canelo successfully defeated Kovalev who at that time was a champion at LHW.

Age might've been a factor, but it doesn't really matter because at that time, Canelo was already unstoppable. And while having the same thought, they tried to approach LHW again because the new champion, who is Bivol, does have a record that doesn't really stand out compared to Kovalev who is a KO artist. That is why they thought that if they managed to upset Kovalev who got a much better rapsheet then there should be no problem against Bivol. And that's where they made a mistake.

That is exactly my point mate, Kovalev was already old at that time, that's why they challenge him for the LHW belt and won a hard fight. And after defeating Kovalev and win the belt, he went back to 168 lbs because they know that 175 lbs could be too much for Canelo at that point.

And they have proven it true, because again he challenge a taller guy at 175 lbs but this time, it was a young champion in Bivol and Canelo lost that fight clearly. And so far there is no rematch between the two, Canelo decided to stay at 168 lbs for now.

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September 01, 2023, 08:29:11 PM
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If Charlo wins then no changes for what Crawford desires, he will face instead the winner and proceed to his own timeline.

But technically speaking, although everything is possible to happen including an upset win by Charlo, I don't see any advantages he can use against the prime Canelo. I remember when Bivol was facing Canelo, only a few believed that the former would win but the result didn't say the same. I can't apply that same scenario to Charlo facing Canelo.

Anyway, let's wait for the winner of the Canelo-Charlo bout and speculate everything from there.

Both the players Charlo and Crawford had their equal opportunities to win the game.The players should try equal try to win the game.The game between Bivol and Canelo itself explain the exact situation now.The crowd opinion is Canelo,but the same was changed at the end.Bivol win the game with the support of the judges.I hope same will not happen now to Canelo.Even now the crowd opinion will be Canelo compared to the Crawford.When you compared the support of 100 people in the community,the seventy people will support Canelo.

It's all Bivol though and not on the judges hand, on the contrary they could have cheated Bivol in that fight as the scores is very close. But I guess they understood that they change the score to favor Canelo because that will be madness and there will be a controversy in it.
Will be interesting though what Charlo will look at 168 lbs, looking at the pictures doing their face-off, he is taller than Canelo.
So there is still room for him to make more weight to be able to make the Super middleweight class.
Although Canelo is stockier build and so his frame looks big as compare to Charlo.

We'll have to wait and see, but Canelo has proven to be virtually unbeatable in his current division. This makes it highly unlikely that Charlo will upset him in their upcoming fight. It's possible that Charlo might consider moving up in weight classes after this bout, where he could potentially dominate in a heavier division.

In the current division, it appears that Canelo reigns supreme, and he seems to be eagerly waiting for a formidable challenge. One fighter who could provide that challenge is Crawford, who is very popular and might attempt to defeat Canelo to make history. The prospect of a Canelo vs. Crawford match is indeed intriguing, even if it means that Crawford would have to climb three weight divisions, which is a significant risk. However, Crawford is known for being a risk-taker, so we'll have to trust in his abilities.

This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

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September 01, 2023, 10:26:39 PM
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This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

For me, the rematch's output will still be the same. Crawford dominated the whole fight except for that first round so it will be just the money they are getting here n the rematch and it will not be close, maybe Spence will last until the 12th round but still losing that fight, many even speculated that he has trouble fighting southpaws.

I've read an article that Canelo has changed his tunes and open in fighting Crawford next after his Charlo. This only means that Benavidez and Bivol fights will not happen in the near future.
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This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

For me, the rematch's output will still be the same. Crawford dominated the whole fight except for that first round so it will be just the money they are getting here n the rematch and it will not be close, maybe Spence will last until the 12th round but still losing that fight, many even speculated that he has trouble fighting southpaws.

I've read an article that Canelo has changed his tunes and open in fighting Crawford next after his Charlo. This only means that Benavidez and Bivol fights will not happen in the near future.

i believe they are checking the pulse of the boxing community. if they see a large following about crawford vs canelo-charlo winner. their respective promoters may indeed push thru this match. however, if the rematch will happen between crawford and spence, then we may see first the winner of this rematch before anything else. as the tables can turn upside down.

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September 02, 2023, 01:17:49 PM
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This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

For me, the rematch's output will still be the same. Crawford dominated the whole fight except for that first round so it will be just the money they are getting here n the rematch and it will not be close, maybe Spence will last until the 12th round but still losing that fight, many even speculated that he has trouble fighting southpaws.

I've read an article that Canelo has changed his tunes and open in fighting Crawford next after his Charlo. This only means that Benavidez and Bivol fights will not happen in the near future.

i believe they are checking the pulse of the boxing community. if they see a large following about crawford vs canelo-charlo winner. their respective promoters may indeed push thru this match. however, if the rematch will happen between crawford and spence, then we may see first the winner of this rematch before anything else. as the tables can turn upside down.

I don't think they need the pulse of the boxing community though, Crawford is the number 1 pound for pound no doubt, and then the winner could be in the list as well. So there is money here, specially if it will be Canelo vs Crawford, the cash cow Canelo and then the pound for pound Crawford. But if it will be Charlo vs Crawford same still, they have beef already so it will make a good story line.

And for sure during face off, I expect a lot of trash talke (Charlo vs Crawford), maybe there will be pushing or shoving, I imagine. So it make sense to make this fight and it will be one of the biggest as there is history on the line.

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This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

For me, the rematch's output will still be the same. Crawford dominated the whole fight except for that first round so it will be just the money they are getting here n the rematch and it will not be close, maybe Spence will last until the 12th round but still losing that fight, many even speculated that he has trouble fighting southpaws.

I've read an article that Canelo has changed his tunes and open in fighting Crawford next after his Charlo. This only means that Benavidez and Bivol fights will not happen in the near future.

i believe they are checking the pulse of the boxing community. if they see a large following about crawford vs canelo-charlo winner. their respective promoters may indeed push thru this match. however, if the rematch will happen between crawford and spence, then we may see first the winner of this rematch before anything else. as the tables can turn upside down.

I don't think they need the pulse of the boxing community though, Crawford is the number 1 pound for pound no doubt, and then the winner could be in the list as well. So there is money here, specially if it will be Canelo vs Crawford, the cash cow Canelo and then the pound for pound Crawford. But if it will be Charlo vs Crawford same still, they have beef already so it will make a good story line.

And for sure during face off, I expect a lot of trash talke (Charlo vs Crawford), maybe there will be pushing or shoving, I imagine. So it make sense to make this fight and it will be one of the biggest as there is history on the line.

Charlo needs to win so he can have a big fight with Crawford, because if not, the fight won't be as interesting, considering they are both eyeing a bout with Canelo. I'm sure Crawford understands that as well; he will fight for both money and his goal to be one of the greatest. Once he wins, he will become an undisputed champion, which could make him the most popular boxer in his generation.

There's a lot at stake in a possible Crawford vs. Canelo match, and it will certainly generate a lot of money, as it's a 50/50 fight. In contrast, Charlo vs. Crawford might end up being a one-sided bout in favor of Crawford, so I'm hoping Canelo will win impressively against Charlo.

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September 02, 2023, 03:02:43 PM
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This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

For me, the rematch's output will still be the same. Crawford dominated the whole fight except for that first round so it will be just the money they are getting here n the rematch and it will not be close, maybe Spence will last until the 12th round but still losing that fight, many even speculated that he has trouble fighting southpaws.
I doubt that there will be a difference in their rematch if ever these two will find a deal to make the fight happen because we've already saw what Crawford can do and Spence's limits. Also, as Spence stated in the past few weeks, he said that he will suggest that a fight will happen at 154 because the weight at 147 is not for him anymore.

I've read an article that Canelo has changed his tunes and open in fighting Crawford next after his Charlo. This only means that Benavidez and Bivol fights will not happen in the near future.
To be honest, it's quite evident already to me that Canelo is ducking Benavidez and doesn't want to pursue a fight against Bivol too. Bivol's manager already said that Canelo's camp was just making things look that they are interested for a rematch but there wasn't another deal proposed aside from that lowball offer that Bivol's camp rejected.

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This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

For me, the rematch's output will still be the same. Crawford dominated the whole fight except for that first round so it will be just the money they are getting here n the rematch and it will not be close, maybe Spence will last until the 12th round but still losing that fight, many even speculated that he has trouble fighting southpaws.

I've read an article that Canelo has changed his tunes and open in fighting Crawford next after his Charlo. This only means that Benavidez and Bivol fights will not happen in the near future.

i believe they are checking the pulse of the boxing community. if they see a large following about crawford vs canelo-charlo winner. their respective promoters may indeed push thru this match. however, if the rematch will happen between crawford and spence, then we may see first the winner of this rematch before anything else. as the tables can turn upside down.

I don't think they need the pulse of the boxing community though, Crawford is the number 1 pound for pound no doubt, and then the winner could be in the list as well. So there is money here, specially if it will be Canelo vs Crawford, the cash cow Canelo and then the pound for pound Crawford. But if it will be Charlo vs Crawford same still, they have beef already so it will make a good story line.

And for sure during face off, I expect a lot of trash talke (Charlo vs Crawford), maybe there will be pushing or shoving, I imagine. So it make sense to make this fight and it will be one of the biggest as there is history on the line.

Charlo needs to win so he can have a big fight with Crawford, because if not, the fight won't be as interesting, considering they are both eyeing a bout with Canelo. I'm sure Crawford understands that as well; he will fight for both money and his goal to be one of the greatest. Once he wins, he will become an undisputed champion, which could make him the most popular boxer in his generation.

There's a lot at stake in a possible Crawford vs. Canelo match, and it will certainly generate a lot of money, as it's a 50/50 fight. In contrast, Charlo vs. Crawford might end up being a one-sided bout in favor of Crawford, so I'm hoping Canelo will win impressively against Charlo.

And that's why Crawford is eyeing the winner here, yeah, possible for a Charlo fight, but if Canelo defeated him, then obviously, it will be Canelo. Maybe there will be some of us who wanted Crawford vs. Charlo because they seems to really dislike each other.

Nevertheless, a Alvarez vs Crawford is going to be huge, it could be one of the biggest fight for this year. Just like the Garcia vs Davis fight, there will be a lot of hype specially for Crawford who is going to make history.

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September 03, 2023, 03:40:18 PM
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This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

For me, the rematch's output will still be the same. Crawford dominated the whole fight except for that first round so it will be just the money they are getting here n the rematch and it will not be close, maybe Spence will last until the 12th round but still losing that fight, many even speculated that he has trouble fighting southpaws.

I've read an article that Canelo has changed his tunes and open in fighting Crawford next after his Charlo. This only means that Benavidez and Bivol fights will not happen in the near future.

i believe they are checking the pulse of the boxing community. if they see a large following about crawford vs canelo-charlo winner. their respective promoters may indeed push thru this match. however, if the rematch will happen between crawford and spence, then we may see first the winner of this rematch before anything else. as the tables can turn upside down.

I don't think they need the pulse of the boxing community though, Crawford is the number 1 pound for pound no doubt, and then the winner could be in the list as well. So there is money here, specially if it will be Canelo vs Crawford, the cash cow Canelo and then the pound for pound Crawford. But if it will be Charlo vs Crawford same still, they have beef already so it will make a good story line.

And for sure during face off, I expect a lot of trash talke (Charlo vs Crawford), maybe there will be pushing or shoving, I imagine. So it make sense to make this fight and it will be one of the biggest as there is history on the line.

Charlo needs to win so he can have a big fight with Crawford, because if not, the fight won't be as interesting, considering they are both eyeing a bout with Canelo. I'm sure Crawford understands that as well; he will fight for both money and his goal to be one of the greatest. Once he wins, he will become an undisputed champion, which could make him the most popular boxer in his generation.

There's a lot at stake in a possible Crawford vs. Canelo match, and it will certainly generate a lot of money, as it's a 50/50 fight. In contrast, Charlo vs. Crawford might end up being a one-sided bout in favor of Crawford, so I'm hoping Canelo will win impressively against Charlo.

And that's why Crawford is eyeing the winner here, yeah, possible for a Charlo fight, but if Canelo defeated him, then obviously, it will be Canelo. Maybe there will be some of us who wanted Crawford vs. Charlo because they seems to really dislike each other.

Nevertheless, a Alvarez vs Crawford is going to be huge, it could be one of the biggest fight for this year. Just like the Garcia vs Davis fight, there will be a lot of hype specially for Crawford who is going to make history.

The way I see it, Canelo still holds his weight class pretty dominantly and I don't see that Charlo will be the first one to upset Canelo in his own weight class. His last fight, it was somehow a controversial one because he did not manage to knockout John Ryder but that is because Ryder's chin is so tough which gives Canelo some struggles but even that, I still think the same that Canelo will still have the last laugh and it did really happened.

Now, Charlo is taking point and making a challenge to the former pound for pound king and the current undisputed at 168 and a tough challenge is already awaiting for him. Crawford is still on the next page, so let's just talk about it later.

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September 05, 2023, 04:49:46 PM
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At this moment we can all make very big speculations, but if Charlo wins? how are we going to stay? many speechless, and others will win their good sums of money and with good reason, that's why I say if in any sport the most impossible things happen, why not in boxing?

If Charlo wins then no changes for what Crawford desires, he will face instead the winner and proceed to his own timeline.

But technically speaking, although everything is possible to happen including an upset win by Charlo, I don't see any advantages he can use against the prime Canelo. I remember when Bivol was facing Canelo, only a few believed that the former would win but the result didn't say the same. I can't apply that same scenario to Charlo facing Canelo.

Anyway, let's wait for the winner of the Canelo-Charlo bout and speculate everything from there.

Yes, he does have a point because Charlo's chances are still a chance even if it's just slim. But Canelo is still Canelo, he might not be that bad, but I surely believe that he can still give a good fight and defend his belt successfully from a boxer who have jumped across weight classes just to face him. And yes, either way, Crawford will stick to what he stands and will likely face the winner of this fight.

Just to add though, I still don't think that Charlo can make a difference in a division that Canelo owned for years now. He might win some rounds but that's it, he's not getting any luckier than that. No offense.

It will still be Canelo dominating this fight, Although he doesn't look good in his last fight as everyone expecting him to score a knockout victory. We've always talk about Crawford jumping 3 weight class and try to fight Canelo. But we also forget that Jermell is the champion at 154 lbs and so he is already jumping two weight class to face Canelo here. So that is already a good measuring stick to see if someone that really jump that high and face the champion and win (although is chances are very slim as we have thought). But still though, respect for Charlo for having that balls to challenge and fight Alvarez at his best weight class and if I'm not mistaken, he hasn't been defeated yeat at super Middleweight. His defeat to Bivol is him climbing at 175 lbs.

The nearest boxer who gave Canelo the most hardships and struggles at 168 is none other than Golovkin, I mean Canelo sure do have the advantages required to be the winner but their fight always go to decision and even sparks some critics because some of their fights wasn't that clear that Canelo have won and he just cannot break Golovkin's jaw.

But for Charlo, it will be a mystery if he can also give that same hardships towards Canelo like GGG has done to the latter. Anyway, let's see it soon.

The first fight though is at 160 lbs and others thought that GGG really won that fight. And in the second fight, it was at 168 lbs, Canelo's best weight so it's har to beat him at super MW as no one has done it before.

GGG has one of the best jaw and so is Canelo. So in this fight, as I have said, very hard to break that as Charlo might not have the power to crack that Canelo's jaw unless Canelo is really getting older by now.
Yes, what you say about Canelo aging is very true, therefore he is also a pro for him, first because he knows every part of what he can do in a fight, second, he knows how far his capacity is and he knows very well how far reach and not exceed, know the limits of your body, you know if you go beyond the limits of your body because it will look bad, and you will not be able to resist, the other thing is that as you say, it has a strong jaw, so the blows have more capacity to resist it, then this is one of the things that we must consider, in the best of aspects we can say that Canelo is the one with the best preparation, but anything in boxing can happen, just remembering the fight of Spence and Crawfiord where he was sure to beat Crawford, in his interviews he said that he would give him that fight even though he was not at his level, and what he did not know was that Crawford had a great time training, so in a matter of In a short time he had already beaten Spence, so there it is shown that things are very opposible in boxing.

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t used to be a slam dunk.

Whether it came when he was still an active fighter or in the immediate aftermath of his post-Andre Berto retirement in 2015, Floyd Mayweather Jr. was a guaranteed winner.

When people asked my opinion on possible matchups or dream scenarios, it never changed.

When it came to 21st century welterweight champs, Mayweather would beat them all.

He never fought Vernon Forrest, Cory Spinks, or Antonio Margarito, but he’d have handled them.

And though Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquiao suggested after the fact that there were injuries at play when they did fight him, I never swayed from believing he’d have won at their optimum health, too.

It hadn’t changed much in the subsequent years either.

No matter if it was Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter or Paulie Malignaggi claiming a share of supremacy at a modern-day 147 pounds, they never moved me enough to think that Mayweather couldn’t beat them.

But all of a sudden, there’s a little doubt creeping in.

And the more current welterweight king Terence Crawford makes headlines by saying he’s ready, willing, and able to jump a few rungs to face Canelo Alvarez, the more I wonder what might have occurred had he been at his current level at the same time Floyd was near the peak of his 147-pound powers.

When pondering such a match, the math alone is staggering.

Mayweather and Crawford are a combined 90-0 with 58 KOs, not to mention legit sanctioning body titles in eight weight classes (5-3 Mayweather), Ring Magazine titles in six weight classes (3-3), and four BWAA Fighter of the Year awards (3-1 Mayweather).

The “Pretty Boy” turned “Money,” Mayweather reached the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 2021 and “Bud” is a lock to join him soon after the moment he decides to hang up the gloves.

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Well , in this order of ideas , we as good fans of boxing Know that boxers first agree to see how much they are going to win and if it is a good business for them, both for what they are going to win in case one of the two they lose and it doesn't look so bad, and second , if the Show is worth it or not, then the most important thing here for many is the business model, that is the first thing for them , so who is where I focus the most that should first Being a good show and that it be in favor of the sport, that is what moves many of us in this sport, the things that are said to each Other , that there is that disagreement between the two and that they can get along very well at the time of the fight  , because It's not worth it just for the money, that doesn't make sense to me, and I think that many people in the world also think like me, because they know that true boxing is what occurs sincerely between two boxers that they really Want to wear a belt or that they really want to earn that title.

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October 02, 2023, 01:27:54 PM
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So, this fight could possibly happen, right?

@OP, you can edit the title now as there was already a winner of the Canelo vs Charlo fight.

It seems like Crawford is still eager to go toe to toe with Canelo. I guess it's worth following how far Crawford's ambition will go. He has already expressed his interest. We are just looking for Canelo's response regarding this. If a contract is signed, then they could start training, but I have a feeling the fight is going to be next year.

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This is all theory.  Spence looks like he is going to trigger the rematch clause so Crawford has to fight him next per the deal that was struck where the lower can trigger a rematch.  Worse yet if Spence wins then there could be a rubber match after that.  I think it's all just wild speculation and Crawford using his win to spark conversation about him.

For me, the rematch's output will still be the same. Crawford dominated the whole fight except for that first round so it will be just the money they are getting here n the rematch and it will not be close, maybe Spence will last until the 12th round but still losing that fight, many even speculated that he has trouble fighting southpaws.

I've read an article that Canelo has changed his tunes and open in fighting Crawford next after his Charlo. This only means that Benavidez and Bivol fights will not happen in the near future.

i believe they are checking the pulse of the boxing community. if they see a large following about crawford vs canelo-charlo winner. their respective promoters may indeed push thru this match. however, if the rematch will happen between crawford and spence, then we may see first the winner of this rematch before anything else. as the tables can turn upside down.

I don't think they need the pulse of the boxing community though, Crawford is the number 1 pound for pound no doubt, and then the winner could be in the list as well. So there is money here, specially if it will be Canelo vs Crawford, the cash cow Canelo and then the pound for pound Crawford. But if it will be Charlo vs Crawford same still, they have beef already so it will make a good story line.

And for sure during face off, I expect a lot of trash talke (Charlo vs Crawford), maybe there will be pushing or shoving, I imagine. So it make sense to make this fight and it will be one of the biggest as there is history on the line.

Charlo needs to win so he can have a big fight with Crawford, because if not, the fight won't be as interesting, considering they are both eyeing a bout with Canelo. I'm sure Crawford understands that as well; he will fight for both money and his goal to be one of the greatest. Once he wins, he will become an undisputed champion, which could make him the most popular boxer in his generation.

Unfortunately, we have seen the fight already and somewhat disappointment on how Charlo carry himself in this fight. As he didn't uses his boxing skills, throw less punches in the round. And where is the lion that he says that he will be in this fight?

There's a lot at stake in a possible Crawford vs. Canelo match, and it will certainly generate a lot of money, as it's a 50/50 fight. In contrast, Charlo vs. Crawford might end up being a one-sided bout in favor of Crawford, so I'm hoping Canelo will win impressively against Charlo.

Canelo didn't mentioned any names though, but he said that he will be ready for anyone that he is going to face next. So that means that Crawford is in the radar and cross hair of Canelo. However, we have seen that jumping 2 weight class doesn't look good, so this might be a problem that Crawford as he might be even have problems getting into 160 lbs. But we will see, if the money is right and there are a lot at stakes, for sure this fight could be made.

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Was he ducking Charlo?

These are the top p4p on the list. This should be the biggest fight in 2024 if it does happen. 
Crawford hasn't tried going up for a long time to challenge himself in achieving new in the upper division, unlike Canelo who struggles to reach the top. Crawford though is undefeated that why he is still the no 1.  It is time for him to climb up, no one else is interested in fighting him on 147.


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Was he ducking Charlo?

These are the top p4p on the list. This should be the biggest fight in 2024 if it does happen. 
Crawford hasn't tried going up for a long time to challenge himself in achieving new in the upper division, unlike Canelo who struggles to reach the top. Crawford though is undefeated that why he is still the no 1.  It is time for him to climb up, no one else is interested in fighting him on 147.


Sliding up in weight too quick isn't always the best thing to do.  Didn't he just climb a weight class just recently?  I know Crawford has said he wants to take on pretty much anyone in any class it seems now lol but it might be all talk.  If he does amd that fight comes together I'm booking that ppv would be fight of the year candidate like ypu said.

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Was he ducking Charlo?

These are the top p4p on the list. This should be the biggest fight in 2024 if it does happen.  
Crawford hasn't tried going up for a long time to challenge himself in achieving new in the upper division, unlike Canelo who struggles to reach the top. Crawford though is undefeated that why he is still the no 1.  It is time for him to climb up, no one else is interested in fighting him on 147.


Sliding up in weight too quick isn't always the best thing to do.  Didn't he just climb a weight class just recently?  I know Crawford has said he wants to take on pretty much anyone in any class it seems now lol but it might be all talk.  If he does amd that fight comes together I'm booking that ppv would be fight of the year candidate like ypu said.

What I think is that Crawford felt that he wasted a lot of time Waiting for the rematch against Spence and that has made him think that his time is worth money and he wants to recover everything he lost, we have to see how a person is capable of making him throw away some of his professional sports life just by saying no, that is why in boxing no more than 1 year should pass without a boxer accepting a rematch, for that reason it is boxing, so that there is always the emotion of the rematch, things that should always be very legal in boxing, which every boxer must do, in this order of ideas we as fans, because we hope that the winner between Canelo and Charlo can have a good match with the great Crawford, which I find incredible, personally I would like it to be Canelo, I want to see in action what Crawford is like Against him, I think many people also want that, to be able to have a complete outline of boxing in recent times , it makes me laugh how you say it, because in part it is true, right now Crawofrod wants to fight against whoever, the way he is, the way he is fighting and his training, if he hasn't left it, I think he is in shape for any Fight that comes his way, because against Spence, he managed the time , He Managed him and wanted to give him everything in that fight until that round, so that he would receive all that punishment , which I really liked, and I wish all boxers did like him.

In these moments Crawford already wants a fight, but a fight against an influential boxer, someone famous, he wants to show everything he has, he can't wait that long, what I sense is because Crawford is trained just as hard as the years he trained to be able face Spence, if he is with that intensity, I don't think there will be any kind of problem if he goes up or down in weight, in category, because he is so hungry to do things well and to be champion that he can be measured against anyone, I would find that fight Interesting , Because it is Something that Represents a lot of Possibility for both of them to Win In this case I think I would lean More Towards Crawford.

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Was he ducking Charlo?

These are the top p4p on the list. This should be the biggest fight in 2024 if it does happen.  
Crawford hasn't tried going up for a long time to challenge himself in achieving new in the upper division, unlike Canelo who struggles to reach the top. Crawford though is undefeated that why he is still the no 1.  It is time for him to climb up, no one else is interested in fighting him on 147.

I have to disagree though that no one is interested in fighting him at Welterweight. On the contrary everyone is calling or at least wanted to try to fight him since he is the unified champion at 147 lbs and undefeated. But if you look at the landscape of this division,

WBC - rank #1 Cody Crowley
WBA - rank #1 Vergil Ortiz
IBF - not rated
WBO - rank #1 Alexis Rocha

So it doesn't make sense for him to fight those as they are unknown and obviously there are no huge money involved here. That's why he is calling for Canelo or Spence activating the rematch clause and maybe they are going to fight next year, the only question is which weight class? Others claim that Spence is weight drain at 147 lbs and so the potential fight could happen at 154 lbs. However, if this pushes thru then there should be no belt in the line as Crawford's belt is all at Welterweight division.

I don't see any ducking here, it's just the business of boxing and the fight that will bring more money for them make sense.

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October 06, 2023, 04:22:53 AM
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Was he ducking Charlo?

These are the top p4p on the list. This should be the biggest fight in 2024 if it does happen.  
Crawford hasn't tried going up for a long time to challenge himself in achieving new in the upper division, unlike Canelo who struggles to reach the top. Crawford though is undefeated that why he is still the no 1.  It is time for him to climb up, no one else is interested in fighting him on 147.

I have to disagree though that no one is interested in fighting him at Welterweight. On the contrary everyone is calling or at least wanted to try to fight him since he is the unified champion at 147 lbs and undefeated. But if you look at the landscape of this division,

WBC - rank #1 Cody Crowley
WBA - rank #1 Vergil Ortiz
IBF - not rated
WBO - rank #1 Alexis Rocha

So it doesn't make sense for him to fight those as they are unknown and obviously there are no huge money involved here. That's why he is calling for Canelo or Spence activating the rematch clause and maybe they are going to fight next year, the only question is which weight class? Others claim that Spence is weight drain at 147 lbs and so the potential fight could happen at 154 lbs. However, if this pushes thru then there should be no belt in the line as Crawford's belt is all at Welterweight division.

I don't see any ducking here, it's just the business of boxing and the fight that will bring more money for them make sense.

I agree. A superstar will fight another superstar. That's the unwritten rule. First, the big money is there. Second, it's an awful match if a top pound-for-pound fighter will face against somebody unranked. Third, indeed, you need to make a name for yourself first before a star should even consider you, however of a loudmouth you are.

Spence and Crawford fighting at 154 is not an issue. Spence complained about 147. Crawford also admitted he had a hard time making it. They're both looking forward to be at 154 in their next fights. They'll debut in that division together. It's certainly not an issue if there isn't any belt on the line. It's their first time.

I also don't think Crawford is avoiding Charlo. Who is Charlo, after all? The boxer who could barely win a round against Canelo? If I were Crawford, I'd rather go straight to Canelo after defeating Spence in a rematch.

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