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August 23, 2023, 11:10:41 AM
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in that case i read it is very sad how the people around him think and what they think when someone falls ill or unconsciously on the blackjack table and what's worse the dealer continues to distribute cards to other players or is it really that bad the behavior of people in the casino without helping someone who is sick and I think this casino is like a little casino that does not care what happens to the people. it may sound a bit harsh but what I know is that Wynn Las Vegas is a luxurious gambling place but why would someone not care about other people when there is a very critical problem.

I know that gambling or a casino is a place to find entertainment and whatever happens is not the responsibility of the casino, but at least if there is an urgent problem, the casino should help or call the hospital to get it resolved immediately. people who are there are not free and pay a high price and if there is a problem like that and the family asks the casino for money it is very reasonable because there is no concern there.

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August 23, 2023, 12:05:14 PM
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The casino most likely didn't know he was having a heart attack. If they did know, he would have been dragged out of the casino so that they will not have any responsibility for his death. Incidents like this don't happen often but I do think casinos have clinics to respond to such incidents.


Obviously, they are not trained to figure out if a player is having a heart attack, so they just continue because they are also serving other players, but the casino is still liable for what happened to one of their clients, the dealer is trained to deal a card but they should still equipt on knowledge about medical attention, they should have CCTV where the people monitoring should be the oen monitoring if something is not right in one of their client.
The family has a right to file a case, if only they are equipped and their staff are trained for emergency situation like this, these things will not happen.

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August 23, 2023, 12:11:22 PM
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This happened in 2022 and although I do not know the outcome of the court case, my thoughts are that the discussion about casinos should go beyond security measures to cover how prepared they are in the event of a health emergency . I think that well-equipped First Aid Kit and trained paramedical staff could significantly contribute to ensuring the safety and well-being of casino patrons. Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?
This ain't a matter of being prepared for health emergencies, it should be a matter of dealers not being dumb enough to let someone who experienced a cardiac arrest sit at the table and literally do nothing. In case the man was already, say, lying his head down the table and experienced the arrest then, then they may have ignored him simply because they thought he was having a break but really, don't people who get attacks usually exhibit some weird or odd symptom, e.g. shaking? I reckon that would've been more than enough for someone to check up on him. Heck, someone sitting at a table for 5 minutes not doing anything but lying down should be asked to leave really.

We can't really blame anyone here except the casino. I mean we can't exactly blame the man for having a cardiac arrest at that exact place no? The casino can't escape responsibility here imo,  not because of them not being well equipped for health emergencies, just in terms of personnel training imo.

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August 23, 2023, 12:24:36 PM
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As far as I know, first aid kit is mandatory in casino's. They also require basic training on how to perform first aid. On the man's case, it depends on how the casino act on what happened. If the man was having a heart attack and did nothing at all or maybe they did not noticed immediately, maybe there's something wrong with them. Imagine being a dealer and there's a man having a heart attack in front of you or just collapsed on the table and you did nothing. Man, you have no awareness around you.


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August 23, 2023, 12:53:15 PM
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This is why you should gamble in land based casino with your friend, the dealer might think it's just normal thing and the gambler will recovered after a while. But since there's no friend of the gambler know if he has a problem with his heart, no one take it seriously. If there was his friend on there, he know what he need to do and call an ambulance ASAP.

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August 23, 2023, 12:57:14 PM
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On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?
I do not know about the lawsuit to be right or wrong, but according to how I see it, it is totally wrong. Anyone can die of cardiac arrest at certain middle or old age.

Only what I know that can happen is to rush the man to a hospital nearby, but which can be done by some of the casino workers that are in charge of something like it in the casino. But it can be too late, cardiac arrest can occur fast and lead to death.

They are trying to blame the dealer for not noticing the player who suffered cardiac arrest since he/she continue deal while the player is already in pain. The story is not in detailed narration but the casino can be charge for negligence in case the judge who will handle this consider the family and what happened. Sometime court on US side against the casino when the victim family manage to get sympathy.

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August 23, 2023, 01:27:55 PM
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[....]Do you think the casino is to be blamed?
They could be if the staff that administered the quick aid can be proven as untrained. What I would really like to know is whether or not the staff called 911 or seek help from other medical professionals upon realizing the customer's grave condition but that wasn't mentioned in the article. I think they would still be cleared of any charges if they did that.

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August 23, 2023, 01:55:45 PM
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It's not easy to blame the casino because the casino will say that they are not responsible for anything that happens to people who play gambling in their place. Maybe the casino can equip the place by providing a complete first aid kit so that if there is such an incident, the paramedic staff from the casino can immediately provide emergency assistance. But if the deceased's family wants to sue the casino, it won't be easy because the casino can turn against them by saying that it is not for people who suffer from heart disease, which can flare up when gambling.

This is actually a dilemma. On the one hand, the casino wants to provide satisfying service to its customers. On the other hand, the casino must also ensure that its customers are in a healthy condition. This is also the responsibility of each person who comes to the casino, apart from keeping his money from playing gambling. But how else, the victim's family will surely sue the casino because it cannot provide emergency assistance to the victim.
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August 23, 2023, 02:03:18 PM
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The more you choose to help the rich especially with a good heart for others, we can see that it can be more helpful people than poor people. It is also the beauty of the rich who are always positive even when they are losing because they always look at the future.

And when we put the poor people first, the person who helps themselves will also be difficult and have trouble with these people because we can see the negative mindsets and hear what they have to say.



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August 23, 2023, 02:26:35 PM
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As far as I know, every establishments have management systems starting from safety, security, and up to knowing the basics of first aid. Especially if there are instances like this, a gambler who happens to need an immediate medical attention, casino are required to have this because they wouldn't be permitted to build the establishment if they lack management systems in the first place. From what is written in the article, I don't think it is the casino's fault, it's just that unexpected things really happen. Afterall, customers are the top priorities of casino, and I believe they all want the best for their customers and none of them want this to happen.



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August 23, 2023, 02:52:28 PM
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Since you already said you are going to argue about it, I will not object anymore.  Grin  But would they still blame the casino if they responded fast and for like a minute he was delivered to a hospital with advanced devices yet he was still declared Dead on arrival?
What I believe is that people will always find a way to shift the blame to other entities and individuals. The family would have still blamed the casino if they had offered timely medical assistance, such as a defibrillator, and the man had subsequently passed away. I am not attempting to sound insensitive, but who knows, perhaps the man was burdened with significant gambling debt, and the family is seeking a method to have it settled. I might be mistaken, but it's just a thought.

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August 23, 2023, 02:53:16 PM
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        -     It's just sad that this kind of incident where you're a gambler is suddenly attacked by such a disease, you know what it means, you're just there at the casino to have some fun. Then what's even worse is that you are actually having a cardiac arrest, I can't believe that their employee didn't notice it right away.

Then he only noticed when a few minutes passed, and it looks like they haven't been oriented that when emergencies like that happen to their players, they should know the basic action in an emergency like that. Because based on the article, their employees don't know how to use a medical kit.

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August 23, 2023, 02:53:24 PM
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Even if a casino is a place for entertainment and getting profits, there should be medical staff available all the time because when people gamble, they sometimes panic, sometimes they might get sick if they are losing a lot, or they can even get an attack for winning something significant, in any case, a medical team or at least a medical attendant is important to provide initial first aid to the patients that might be having some sort of problems in the casino.

Not only a medical attendant, but I think they should also have an ambulance or at least a truck or something that can be used to send people suffering from diseases to the hospital after they are handled by the medical staff because the problem might be more severe and there might be a hand of something more than just initial medical care.

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August 23, 2023, 03:01:45 PM
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Casinos are, at their core, businesses that profit from people's urge to bet. They are neither charitable organizations nor medical facilities. They are money-making machines. But it's frankly appalling that a man in need of medical attention was neglected. You'd think that a business meant to empty your wallets would at least be concerned with keeping you alive so you could spend more.

What is your opinion of the paramedical staff and first aid? Perfectly spoken. If not out of empathy, then at the very least for aesthetic sake, any building intended to house big crowds ought to have that. Nevertheless, accusing the family of wanting to capitalize on the tragedy? That strikes me as a cheap shot. Imagine yourself in their position. Perhaps they're merely attempting to draw attention to a structural problem with these gambling dens. Does the casino deserve any blame? Absolutely! It`s a matter of fundamental human decency.

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August 23, 2023, 03:05:12 PM
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Did the man lose a huge bet that caused this heart attack?
Whatever happens while he is inside the casino's vicinity, the casino will still have the responsibility. It's what the lawyers will tell the family who lost a member. Lawyers fuck the casino.

When someone stumbles and gets injured because of a stone that blocks the way, one lawyer could argue it is the owner's fault for now minding the stone. The owner of the property will be responsible for a personal injury lawsuit.



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August 23, 2023, 03:38:59 PM
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in that case i read it is very sad how the people around him think and what they think when someone falls ill or unconsciously on the blackjack table and what's worse the dealer continues to distribute cards to other players or is it really that bad the behavior of people in the casino without helping someone who is sick and I think this casino is like a little casino that does not care what happens to the people. it may sound a bit harsh but what I know is that Wynn Las Vegas is a luxurious gambling place but why would someone not care about other people when there is a very critical problem.

I know that gambling or a casino is a place to find entertainment and whatever happens is not the responsibility of the casino, but at least if there is an urgent problem, the casino should help or call the hospital to get it resolved immediately. people who are there are not free and pay a high price and if there is a problem like that and the family asks the casino for money it is very reasonable because there is no concern there.
Very sad and worrying. this is not only talking about someone who is unconscious at the casino, but this also talks about the loss of a sense of humanity both on the part of the casino and between the players in it.

I know that the world of gambling is better known as the black world. And when people are at the round table, there are no more friends there and everyone becomes opponents. but are they that bad that they don't care what happens to their opponents.
and this is a lesson for us not to go alone to the casino, preferably before we go to the casino to ask other people to accompany us while playing.

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August 23, 2023, 03:43:41 PM
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The article says the attorneys of the family are claiming the dealer and the casino ignored the man when he was slumped over. That is a ridiculous claim in my opinion as no casino would like to have someone die with everyone watching on their premises. They probably would prefer you alive so you could spend more money.

I guess having a player slumped over the table is like a normal sight as no one thought to check on him for a while.Obviously, a primarily profit and entertainment oriented organization would spend much more on things that would attract the crowd, give them a good time and later begin to make profit as they empty their wallet on the premises.

It's sad that he went unnoticed for that long and I think he probably would have survived if he would noticed much sooner. But I don't think that argument put up by the attorneys of the family holds much water. The fact that he suffered a cardiac arrest and died is sad but not the fault of the casino.
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August 23, 2023, 03:46:51 PM
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It should be the protocol for businesses to have some kind of preparation for emergencies like this one, especially this one. Aside from all the possible emergencies, this can be common to them knowing that a lot of elderly people like to gamble their extra money and just play continuously.

Sadly, the dealer kept on dealing even if someone was already slumped or possibly had medical emergencies.

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August 23, 2023, 04:11:22 PM
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Any casino will never want to care about the fate of its users who experience any condition, including what happened to that person regarding a heart attack on a blackjack table at Wynn Las Vegas or other places that have never been exposed to social media. But they definitely won't neglect the first-step countermeasures if that happens.

Although casinos are primarily places where people go for entertainment and profit, the operators should put in place health emergency measures could potentially mitigate the impact of unforeseen events. On the other hand, I would argue that the family of the deceased is trying to obtain money from the casino. Do you think the casino is to be blamed?
Even though I agree that every casino that has a good reputation should provide what we are talking about, this seems to be overly exaggerated. If our health condition is not good, why do we have to come to the casino and this is what causes when we are not ready for gambling conditions, then when you experience a big loss it can cause a sudden heart attack and Do not gamble when our health condition is problematic because it will have a fatal impact. How can we basically blame them, what articles and errors can we use to sue the casino, so that they are responsible and provide compensation in the form of money. LOL

As far as I know every place that has obtained a permit to operate has first aid kits as a temporary emergency measure, it's just that sometimes the workers don't understand what to do in these conditions. Especially when it's related to a heart attack and not everyone knows how to handle it quickly.

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August 23, 2023, 04:23:06 PM
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The thing is the casino wouldn't have known that he was suffering from cardiac arrest. Slumped over people are a common sight in casinos, they offer complementary drinks to everyone after all. And while I agree that health personnel should be active and available for assistance especially in casinos, it should go without saying that implementing them effectively is going to be a massive ordeal, since for one, they will for sure find the crowded spaces these casinos are known for to be difficult when they are performing emergency health maneuvers. Plus the fact that you couldn't really tell which is which from a far distance.

Noble cause without applicable applications. I wish things were easier done so things like this don't happen but if the execution was not perfected, we wouldn't go anywhere.

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