vave.com - is a scammers & nationalists

[Haunebu]

Never heard of this site before and will be actively avoiding it now that I have learnt about how messed up they truly are. Scum like them give a bad name to legitimate crypto gambling sites.

They are following in the footsteps of sites like 1xbit by selectively scamming gamblers. Will advise others to avoid it whenever necessary.

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[aysg76]

Never heard of this site before and will be actively avoiding it now that I have learnt about how messed up they truly are. Scum like them give a bad name to legitimate crypto gambling sites.

They are following in the footsteps of sites like 1xbit by selectively scamming gamblers. Will advise others to avoid it whenever necessary.

That's why it's hard to trust new casinos these days because all of them want to make quick money through scamming people but there are legit casinos as well but they need to be tested and build their reputation over time but yes don't play over such fake casinos that will scam you and freeze your funds.

[decodx]

Never heard of this site before and will be actively avoiding it now that I have learnt about how messed up they truly are. Scum like them give a bad name to legitimate crypto gambling sites.

They are following in the footsteps of sites like 1xbit by selectively scamming gamblers. Will advise others to avoid it whenever necessary.

That's why it's hard to trust new casinos these days because all of them want to make quick money through scamming people but there are legit casinos as well but they need to be tested and build their reputation over time but yes don't play over such fake casinos that will scam you and freeze your funds.

I'm not sure if this casino is new, but their domain is pretty ancient, dating back to 2003-05-29! You can check it out here: https://whois.domaintools.com/vave.com

From what I can see, they're not very active on this forum, and their official announcement thread doesn't get updated much.

It looks like the casino is managed and operated by TechOptions Group B.V. (registration number 153194). I did some digging online and found at least one more casino site run by the same operator, which is hell-spin.org. Both of these sites share the same gambling license regulated by the Curacao Gaming Authority (License Number GLH-OCCHKTW0702282021).

I totally agree that it's a good idea to steer clear of any casino connected to this company because of their shady practices. Hope this info helps!

[Cantsay]

A thread with five pages and yet the casino representative chose to ignore everything that has been written and even when the case was taken to their official Ann thread they still left the accusation unattended to after making some vague statements about the allegations.

Shouldn’t a neg-tag be awarded to the casinos account until the case is resolved? Because from what I have seen they are in for a shady business and if not handled properly others might still come to the forum with the same complaint.

I'm not sure if this casino is new, but their domain is pretty ancient, dating back to 2003-05-29! You can check it out here: https://whois.domaintools.com/vave.com

Indeed it has an old domain but it’s a new casino, because if you check web archive you’ll see that the domain was listed for sale in the year 2021 after being used for a weight losing service then it had no archive again till 2023, if you ask me I think those time of inactivity in the web archive space are probably when the site was still for sale and as soon as it was bought by this casino they started having traffic and that led to the increase in archives. So for a casino that was created in 2023 I think they are still new.

[Haunebu]

That's why it's hard to trust new casinos these days because all of them want to make quick money through scamming people but there are legit casinos as well but they need to be tested and build their reputation over time but yes don't play over such fake casinos that will scam you and freeze your funds.

The crypto gambling market has already become over-saturated these days making it a lot tougher for new sites to claim a piece of the pie which was expected thanks to the rising popularity of cryptocurrencies.

They need to come up with something unique(Example: Moneypot offering 0.1% house edge etc) in order to establish themselves based on my observations.

[Webetcoins]

Never heard of this site before and will be actively avoiding it now that I have learnt about how messed up they truly are. Scum like them give a bad name to legitimate crypto gambling sites.

They are following in the footsteps of sites like 1xbit by selectively scamming gamblers. Will advise others to avoid it whenever necessary.

That's why it's hard to trust new casinos these days because all of them want to make quick money through scamming people but there are legit casinos as well but they need to be tested and build their reputation over time but yes don't play over such fake casinos that will scam you and freeze your funds.

This market saturation is being used very well by those who want to earn money and aren't really serious about starting a business or running a casino for a very long time. Such people will create a casino, and lure in gamblers by promoting the platform, and once they get some money on top of their invested capital, they will start doing things that are not normal like delaying withdrawals, not adding large deposits into user accounts, and even manipulating game results.

That is why, it has become very important for a gambler to do their due diligence, collect some feedback, and do some research before joining a new casino platform so that they don't face such issues and don't waste their money on such platforms and instead use a legit platform for their gambling activities.

[khaled0111]

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They posted the announcement thread on January, so I suppose they probably launched their casino at the same time. So, it's not an old casino.
They definitely should have made it clear that customers from Russia can't use their services and they definitely shouldn't have allowed customers from Russia to make deposits in first place.
OP, better move this thread to the scam accusation board.

[mak013]

A thread with five pages and yet the casino representative chose to ignore everything that has been written and even when the case was taken to their official Ann thread they still left the accusation unattended to after making some vague statements about the allegations.

Shouldn’t a neg-tag be awarded to the casinos account until the case is resolved? Because from what I have seen they are in for a shady business and if not handled properly others might still come to the forum with the same complaint.

I think that they don`t want to answer. They made a mistake when made changes in the ToS only in one language, and due to this mistake they looks like the cheaters. On the other hand - they have a debt they don`t want to return. And it is to late to make a translation to other languages.
The best way is to pay debt, make changes in the ToS and ban the gambler due to their new rules. But first of all they ought to close debt.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

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No every person is a forum geek + not everyone is from bitcointalk.

Most of the people/user who are facing a problem with (unknown casinos) are not quite popular are users who just registered on bitcointalk. They register in here due facing the problem and don't know anything about the forum.

Expecting by creating a forum thread, at least their problem can be solved. You cannot blame he at all due not everyone came from here, even he played casino with a list pick (most of the time they will search in internet) and the list pick are from paid article.

       -    I somewhat agree with what you said; the things you mentioned are true. Maybe the other complainants who appear here at the casino don't really like to hang out here on the forum platform. That's why we can notice that others have fewer than five posts in their post history, because their only goal is to get a solution to their problem.

And the others seem like the only reason is to destroy a casino because they know there are many crypto communities on this platform, but they don't get the sympathy of the majority. And there are others who have evidence and are just getting an opinion or advice on what they should do.

[shanz]

While my account was in the red, vave was withdrawing money without any problems. At the moment I had $27,500 deposited on my account and not a single withdrawal. Of course they won't ask me for any documents as long as I bring them my money.

After 10-12 days, I started to break away and increase my balance and made a withdrawal of $12,500 without problems (the account was still in the red by $15k). The second withdrawal also went without problems. I ordered another $12,000 for withdrawal a week after the first withdrawal. The account was still negative, which is probably why the withdrawal went quickly and without problems.

But 2 days ago, the bets started winning one by one and the account balance became $18,000 (if you count the account balance, it turns out that my balance is in positive territory by $1,500 for 3 weeks of my account life).

On the third withdrawal of $10,500, vave was asked for verification. I am a resident of Russia, so I have a Russian Federation passport. But who would have thought that vave are so arrogant and can impose sanctions on sports betting for only one country. And it naturally turned out to be Russia. I registered on August 1st and there was no clause in their terms-and-conditions that players from Russia cannot bet on sports, I am more than sure of this.

And the funny thing is that the site supports 19 different languages, respectively, the section "Terms and Conditions" is translated into all available 19 languages. And Clause 2.1. in "Terms and Conditions", where it says about the ban on players from Russia is only on the English version of the site. No other language has this item.

I sent photos within 40 minutes of the verification request and received a response after 80 minutes. That is, verification was fast. As a result, the balance was $18,000, of which $15,000 was confiscated by vave, and $3,000 was given to me (apparently as a gesture of goodwill). This is nothing short of racist and making up rules on the fly. Because banning players from a single country from betting on sports is blatant discrimination.

We would like to address the issue previously discussed and express our understanding of the emotions and frustration you may be experiencing as a player. We want to make it unequivocally clear that we do not engage in any form of discrimination based on ethnicity, race, religion, sex, or geolocation. However, we are bound by regulatory requirements, licensing terms, and legal obligations that may appear unjust to some users, and regrettably, we have no influence over these aspects.

Regarding the absence of this information in the Russian version of our Terms and Conditions, we kindly direct your attention to the following page: https://vave.com/ru/help/sportsbook-rules Section 2.18 states: "In the event of a discrepancy between the English language version of these rules and any other language version, the English language version shall prevail."

We hope this explanation clarifies the situation, and we remain dedicated to providing a gaming experience that is fair and transparent for all of our users.

[Ann3tt3]

While my account was in the red, vave was withdrawing money without any problems. At the moment I had $27,500 deposited on my account and not a single withdrawal. Of course they won't ask me for any documents as long as I bring them my money.

After 10-12 days, I started to break away and increase my balance and made a withdrawal of $12,500 without problems (the account was still in the red by $15k). The second withdrawal also went without problems. I ordered another $12,000 for withdrawal a week after the first withdrawal. The account was still negative, which is probably why the withdrawal went quickly and without problems.

This is not the first time I have come across this kind of situation. Mostly on forums, people who face such difficulties do not read the rules very carefully. I'm not defending Vave, but on the other hand, there was information that residents of your country are restricted.

[darkangel11]

I sent photos within 40 minutes of the verification request and received a response after 80 minutes. That is, verification was fast. As a result, the balance was $18,000, of which $15,000 was confiscated by vave, and $3,000 was given to me (apparently as a gesture of goodwill). This is nothing short of racist and making up rules on the fly. Because banning players from a single country from betting on sports is blatant discrimination.

IMO this was made in hope that you'll take the money and stop complaining. Basically shut up money.
If they were doing this lawfully and you'd really break the rules, there wouldn't be any gestures of good will, but since they were stealing from you and making money in the process, they could share some of their profit with you to shut you up and look better in the eyes of the community in case you decided to go public.

This is not the first time I have come across this kind of situation. Mostly on forums, people who face such difficulties do not read the rules very carefully. I'm not defending Vave, but on the other hand, there was information that residents of your country are restricted.

If they have multiple translations of their terms of service and that information is only in the one in English they are at fault because nobody will read all the translations. Some people will only choose the ones in their native languages. We also don't know when this information was added to the English version.

[coolcoinz]

Regarding the absence of this information in the Russian version of our Terms and Conditions, we kindly direct your attention to the following page: https://vave.com/ru/help/sportsbook-rules Section 2.18 states: "In the event of a discrepancy between the English language version of these rules and any other language version, the English language version shall prevail."

We hope this explanation clarifies the situation, and we remain dedicated to providing a gaming experience that is fair and transparent for all of our users.

It doesn't. Why add translations if they can confuse users? Can't do it right? Then don't to it, don't offer translations!

Imagine this situation happening with a user instruction of a tool.
You translate it to a number of languages. In one it says the item can be operated in high moisture and rain, in the english section it says it cannot. The user reads only his native version and gets electrocuted.
Who do you think is going to win in court? You, because you had a verse in the English instruction saying all mistakes in other sections don't count, or the guy's family claiming damages?

I advise OP to go to court over this because mistakes in translation that lead to misuse of the site shouldn't be blamed on the user and he shouldn't pay for it.

[Yogee]

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Regarding the absence of this information in the Russian version of our Terms and Conditions, we kindly direct your attention to the following page: https://vave.com/ru/help/sportsbook-rules Section 2.18 states: "In the event of a discrepancy between the English language version of these rules and any other language version, the English language version shall prevail."

This doesn't look like a simple discrepancy. You decided to restrict Russia in your terms and you didn't specify or completely omitted that in the Russian translation? You can't be that dumb to overlook this matter.

I agree with other's statement that it was only added just to avoid paying players like the OP.

[h4nnmann11]

While my account was in the red, vave was withdrawing money without any problems. At the moment I had $27,500 deposited on my account and not a single withdrawal. Of course they won't ask me for any documents as long as I bring them my money.

After 10-12 days, I started to break away and increase my balance and made a withdrawal of $12,500 without problems (the account was still in the red by $15k). The second withdrawal also went without problems. I ordered another $12,000 for withdrawal a week after the first withdrawal. The account was still negative, which is probably why the withdrawal went quickly and without problems.

This is not the first time I have come across this kind of situation. Mostly on forums, people who face such difficulties do not read the rules very carefully. I'm not defending Vave, but on the other hand, there was information that residents of your country are restricted.

this rule appeared after I registered and made some deposits.

[h4nnmann11]

While my account was in the red, vave was withdrawing money without any problems. At the moment I had $27,500 deposited on my account and not a single withdrawal. Of course they won't ask me for any documents as long as I bring them my money.

After 10-12 days, I started to break away and increase my balance and made a withdrawal of $12,500 without problems (the account was still in the red by $15k). The second withdrawal also went without problems. I ordered another $12,000 for withdrawal a week after the first withdrawal. The account was still negative, which is probably why the withdrawal went quickly and without problems.

But 2 days ago, the bets started winning one by one and the account balance became $18,000 (if you count the account balance, it turns out that my balance is in positive territory by $1,500 for 3 weeks of my account life).

On the third withdrawal of $10,500, vave was asked for verification. I am a resident of Russia, so I have a Russian Federation passport. But who would have thought that vave are so arrogant and can impose sanctions on sports betting for only one country. And it naturally turned out to be Russia. I registered on August 1st and there was no clause in their terms-and-conditions that players from Russia cannot bet on sports, I am more than sure of this.

And the funny thing is that the site supports 19 different languages, respectively, the section "Terms and Conditions" is translated into all available 19 languages. And Clause 2.1. in "Terms and Conditions", where it says about the ban on players from Russia is only on the English version of the site. No other language has this item.

I sent photos within 40 minutes of the verification request and received a response after 80 minutes. That is, verification was fast. As a result, the balance was $18,000, of which $15,000 was confiscated by vave, and $3,000 was given to me (apparently as a gesture of goodwill). This is nothing short of racist and making up rules on the fly. Because banning players from a single country from betting on sports is blatant discrimination.

We would like to address the issue previously discussed and express our understanding of the emotions and frustration you may be experiencing as a player. We want to make it unequivocally clear that we do not engage in any form of discrimination based on ethnicity, race, religion, sex, or geolocation. However, we are bound by regulatory requirements, licensing terms, and legal obligations that may appear unjust to some users, and regrettably, we have no influence over these aspects.

Regarding the absence of this information in the Russian version of our Terms and Conditions, we kindly direct your attention to the following page: https://vave.com/ru/help/sportsbook-rules Section 2.18 states: "In the event of a discrepancy between the English language version of these rules and any other language version, the English language version shall prevail."

We hope this explanation clarifies the situation, and we remain dedicated to providing a gaming experience that is fair and transparent for all of our users.

how can you be "bound by regulatory requirements, licensing terms, and legal obligations" if you block sports betting only for residents from Russia, when sports betting is legal in Russia? Why are there no similar blocks for residents of Muslim countries where gambling is punishable by death?

[JeffBrad12]

A thread with five pages and yet the casino representative chose to ignore everything that has been written and even when the case was taken to their official Ann thread they still left the accusation unattended to after making some vague statements about the allegations.

Shouldn’t a neg-tag be awarded to the casinos account until the case is resolved? Because from what I have seen they are in for a shady business and if not handled properly others might still come to the forum with the same complaint.

I'm not sure if this casino is new, but their domain is pretty ancient, dating back to 2003-05-29! You can check it out here: https://whois.domaintools.com/vave.com

Indeed it has an old domain but it’s a new casino, because if you check web archive you’ll see that the domain was listed for sale in the year 2021 after being used for a weight losing service then it had no archive again till 2023, if you ask me I think those time of inactivity in the web archive space are probably when the site was still for sale and as soon as it was bought by this casino they started having traffic and that led to the increase in archives. So for a casino that was created in 2023 I think they are still new.

It seems like the team is just intentionally ignoring this case. I just see if vave is just launching its signature campaign recently. That means the team is still monitoring the things that are happening in the forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465570.0

I thought that if the manager was in direct contact with the representative from vave team.

[julerz12]

It seems like the team is just intentionally ignoring this case. I just see if vave is just launching its signature campaign recently.

It would be best if you could just scroll up ^{just a little bit} as their representative has just recently responded to this issue (even did so weeks ago when OP posted on their ann thread). Pretty sure that's not what someone who want to "ignore" this case would do.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465570.0
I thought that if the manager was in direct contact with the representative from vave team.

Yes, I am in contact with the same person who controls their account here in this forum.

[Mayyyy]

While my account was in the red, vave was withdrawing money without any problems. At the moment I had $27,500 deposited on my account and not a single withdrawal. Of course they won't ask me for any documents as long as I bring them my money.

It is definitely inappropriate to call it racism. The problem here is that you did not follow the rules. I don't think there is any smell of racial discrimination here.

[FatFork]

It is definitely inappropriate to call it racism. The problem here is that you did not follow the rules. I don't think there is any smell of racial discrimination here.

Nice shilling! Here's a cookie!

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Finally, casinos are moving towards cryptocurrencies. I really hope that Vave has done it well. Because crypto is the future and it is quite close.