Request: Disable merits in the Wall Observer thread

[eXPHorizon]

[Lucius]

I voted NO for the reason that I think there are other ways that could solve that "problem" without going to a complete ban on merits in that thread. I personally like how the rules are set in Serious discussion, which means that you only need to limit which ranks can participate in that thread, and if that rule were set to Senior + rank in WO, I believe that such discussions would not be necessary.

For myself I have some out the forum occupancy and there fore I always empty my source on Good forum user as I know they will resend on quality posts… and Theymos said send merits are better than merits not send.

For those of us who are not merit sources and are not very popular on the forum, such a source of merits really means a lot, because be sure that every sMerits I received from you and other members of WO ends up as a reward for what I consider a useful and quality posts.

[eXPHorizon]

I voted NO for the reason that I think there are other ways that could solve that "problem" without going to a complete ban on merits in that thread. I personally like how the rules are set in Serious discussion, which means that you only need to limit which ranks can participate in that thread, and if that rule were set to Senior + rank in WO, I believe that such discussions would not be necessary.

IF there is freedom of speech , let there be freedom of speech to and for everyone regardless of Rank or any kind of BS.

[ibminer]

Hmmm…. I do merit the WO mostly from my source merits

I don't believe source merits are distinguishable.. are they?  .. and then.. should they be?  o_0  (hmm..)

PowerGlove's idea seems interesting as a thread-based setting, I just don't like the restriction in general.. it would be painful to see accounts under those levels making a great post and not being able to get any merit for them because of a thread setting.

And could this help scammers?  Unrelated to WO, but posts from lower ranked victims may not be able to get the attention/merit on a thread they deserve because their accounts are under the level the scammer set on the thread, probably while at the same time the scammer merit's his (likely bought) legendary account(s) supporting the scam.

This is a good question. The loose merit givers are at least limited in number whereas the shitposters are amassing an infinitely large zombie army. Yet their growth could be stopped (at least in the WO thread) if the loose merit givers tightened up... which for whatever reason they refuse to do. I dunno, I guess the zombies aggravate me more.

I'd lean towards being more aggravated with the merit giver.. but both can be annoying. Merit can't be undone. I'm just not one to judge another person's merit giving, assuming it isn't somehow being used to abuse the forum and its members. Source merit might be another story entirely which IMO inherently comes with judgement.. but again, how would one distinguish what merit is being handed out as source merit, or just the merit received from other members for their posts?

[vapourminer]

How people choose to distribute the merit which they earned is completely up to them. If they want to give it to people in the WO thread for some posts that made them laugh, or because they are friendly, then that's their choice. Eventually they will run out and the problem will dissipate itself.

many merit sources hang out in the WO, so running out of merits doesnt really apply.

However you can use report to moderator since posting an image with source is considered as pointless/low value post

generally, moderators dont do anything in the WO; it has special "dont moderate" status.

[suchmoon]

Hmmm…. I do merit the WO mostly from my source merits

I don't believe source merits are distinguishable.. are they?  .. and then.. should they be?  o_0  (hmm..)

Not really distinguishable for a receiver of merits or for an outside observer, but a merit source can see how many source smerits and earned smerits they have and the source smerits get sent first. So the merit source knows which ones are being used on a particular post... not sure if that really matters though (in this context). I think a merit source should uphold a higher standard regardless of which smerits they use. As opposed to non-source merit senders who can do almost whatever they please with their earned smerits.

[BenCodie]

How people choose to distribute the merit which they earned is completely up to them. If they want to give it to people in the WO thread for some posts that made them laugh, or because they are friendly, then that's their choice. Eventually they will run out and the problem will dissipate itself.

many merit sources hang out in the WO, so running out of merits doesnt really apply.

If that's the case and these people are abusing merit in WO, or farming, maybe it's the sources who should be reviewed?

Elaborated:
If the posts are good and merit worthy, whether it be comedic, reasonable, or whatever has some form of clear value to someone - then that's not a problem. If it's rewarding spam, or shitposting, then maybe individual merit sources should either rethink what they're meritting or be reviewed as to whether they should be a source or not; if they are obviously distributing merit irresponsibly.

My 2 cents.

[El duderino_]

Hmmm…. I do merit the WO mostly from my source merits

I don't believe source merits are distinguishable.. are they?  .. and then.. should they be?  o_0  (hmm..)

Not really distinguishable for a receiver of merits or for an outside observer, but a merit source can see how many source smerits and earned smerits they have and the source smerits get sent first. So the merit source knows which ones are being used on a particular post... not sure if that really matters though (in this context). I think a merit source should uphold a higher standard regardless of which smerits they use. As opposed to non-source merit senders who can do almost whatever they please with their earned smerits.

I meant I sent most of merits in the WO regardless earned or source…
But my reasoning is ok? Of sending bigger chunks to members I believe re sending higher quality postings etc…?
Especially when i’m out of Belgium like right now (EPT occupation @barcelona) so little time … but still distributing merits … but On especially these occasions I chose to sent them for quality re-sent value instead of hoarding.
Meh it’s just about avoiding Alt and scam accounts and I think I mostly avoid them

[Rikafip]

I think a merit source should uphold a higher standard regardless of which smerits they use. As opposed to non-source merit senders who can do almost whatever they please with their earned smerits.

Imho, even us non merit sources should have some standard because if I tend to merit certain type of shitposts, that can only encourage more members to do more of those as that's what those lemmings tend to do.

I find it interesting that 24 members voted "Yes" (31 voted "No", myself included) while (afaik) no one said so in this thread.

[NomiPk]

I voted NO for the reason that I think there are other ways that could solve that "problem" without going to a complete ban on merits in that thread. I personally like how the rules are set in Serious discussion, which means that you only need to limit which ranks can participate in that thread, and if that rule were set to Senior + rank in WO, I believe that such discussions would not be necessary.

I am new to the forum and haven't posted in the WO thread but i would not like to be left out in the discussion in that thread until i reach Sr.

I wish the newbies and low ranks would have been more responsible so that this restriction wasn't required in the first place.

[BenCodie]

I think a merit source should uphold a higher standard regardless of which smerits they use. As opposed to non-source merit senders who can do almost whatever they please with their earned smerits.

Imho, even us non merit sources should have some standard because if I tend to merit certain type of shitposts, that can only encourage more members to do more of those as that's what those lemmings tend to do.

I find it interesting that 24 members voted "Yes" (31 voted "No", myself included) while (afaik) no one said so in this thread.

You haven't yet noticed the group of members/alts who consistently jerk each other no matter the validity of their opinions?

[vapourminer]

many merit sources hang out in the WO, so running out of merits doesnt really apply.

If that's the case and these people are abusing merit in WO, or farming, maybe it's the sources who should be reviewed?

many merit sources (like myself) never asked to be sources. we just logged in one day and were informed that we were now sources. perhaps one day some will log in and be informed we are no longer merit sources.

until then? lol well some of us probably wont care either way one bit.

[Findingnemo]

I voted 'No', and I don't like the idea of restricting ranks from receiving merits from WO cause it is like some kind of discrimination what if the member is actually a low-ranked member and trying to become a part of WO (speaking from my exp).

Merit sources can be careful when sending merits so it can eliminate the account farmers to grow but again having alts is allowed in bitcointalk so what is the point of restricting them from growing if they can able to check the merit requirement box!


If I am not wrong theymos removed someone from being a merit source because the person simply showered meritsin WO for no reason which means he is aware of this and okay with the current distribution cause it somewhat contributes to the forum. The merit system isn't perfect anyway because you can find merits shared for posts with little to no contribution and some posts were ignored even if it has something to the context of the discussion so if we are trying to push the system further then it may end up badly like merit sources will not be interested in sending the merits to posts.

[Shamm]

If merit senders are merit sources, you can request a review about their distribution methods, otherwise merit farmers will find another solution.  Also you need to find where those merits come from originally.😉

The circulations of merits in that thread is not new to us as we all know that there are many known user here in our community who still have time to make a reply on that thread and. Most of them are merit source and for sure we cannot stop them because they will do that for how many years which means they already know what they are doing so for me canceling or disabling the merit circulation on that thread is not the solution.

[Flexystar]

I never knew there is secret thread like that, or perhaps it's a thread that is only known for the garden surfing. That is why all these years I was thinking from where some users are getting high merits even though there posts are just few liners, meaningless, reposted images, sometimes just meme with no words on it and yet they end up getting merits in like dozens of amount. I am not sure how many of them are now going to debate and dislike my freedom of speech but that's definitely insane amount of merit source - source. Practically speaking the merit rush is only seen amongst the people who are either account farmers or those who want to get ranked up quickly and gain high bonuses from the signatures. I mean come on, you should talk the way you want and it doesn't really matter if someone thinks you are right or wrong.

I am posting mostly to learn from various development threads even though I am new to the field. Now and then I am trying to build knowledge based posts or interesting facts and sometimes news articles but it seems that people just love threads that are long dead, already answered thousand times and yet manage to get merits. Definitely full of talent!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

In WO we have problems on the other hand it's fun to send merits to a post that you like and think the receiver deserves it. I think those of us who merit others, being a bit more careful can solve one of the problem. Mind it we just don't give away merit to others, there are reasons for it. May be a post / image looks stupid to someone but that same post might made the day of the person and that's the reason he merited the post.

I voted NO for the reason

It's a NO from me too. The WO should be out of any such restriction.

[suchmoon]

I think a merit source should uphold a higher standard regardless of which smerits they use. As opposed to non-source merit senders who can do almost whatever they please with their earned smerits.

Imho, even us non merit sources should have some standard because if I tend to merit certain type of shitposts, that can only encourage more members to do more of those as that's what those lemmings tend to do.

Ideally we should all encourage good posting habits with our merits... but let's be real, you can't expect everyone to follow some "high quality" guidelines that would be highly subjective anyway. However you can and should expect the ~100 (or whatever the number is nowadays) merit sources to try to avoid meriting obvious merit farmers/beggars/etc. Again, probably not possible to avoid that completely, some shitposters will be able to get some crumbs, but they're lazy AF so if they can no longer get easy merits for memes in WO they'll probably go shitpost somewhere else, where hopefully some moderation still exists and they can be reported.

I meant I sent most of merits in the WO regardless earned or source…
But my reasoning is ok? Of sending bigger chunks to members I believe re sending higher quality postings etc…?
Especially when i’m out of Belgium like right now (EPT occupation @barcelona) so little time … but still distributing merits … but On especially these occasions I chose to sent them for quality re-sent value instead of hoarding.
Meh it’s just about avoiding Alt and scam accounts and I think I mostly avoid them

Correct, theymos has said that sending big chunks of merits is better than hoarding / not sending them at all, and if you send them to a known quality poster (and hopefully someone who also distributes received smerits responsibly) you're doing ok.

[DVlog]

Some of my local board members rank up pretty fast. it was hard for me to believe how they did it when i saw the way they posted. When I checked their source of merit i found that it was WHO. They just keep posting memes and sharing tweets. Some even got merit by saying a joke when i haven't found any logic behind them. If getting merit is that easy then it will lose its value.

[Sandra_hakeem]

It becomes a cynosure to worry about when it escalates to this point... I personally observed the habit on the WO thread and compared it to the infrequent meriting habits on altcoin section...it was way too de-escalating ...
I remember the stories I read so far about this whole meritocracy - when it really knew no boundaries and was spent appropriately across every section on the forum, including the altcoin section... This was later seen as an abuse since very many shit posters were seldom on liverage to earning merits.... Is this gonna be the fate of the wo thread?!
I don't think I've made any post in there but, I don't also feel any section of the forum needs to be on a merit ban; afterall, we've got good posters in there... Haven't we?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[SamReomo]

Some of my local board members rank up pretty fast. it was hard for me to believe how they did it when i saw the way they posted. When I checked their source of merit i found that it was WHO. They just keep posting memes and sharing tweets. Some even got merit by saying a joke when i haven't found any logic behind them. If getting merit is that easy then it will lose its value.

You're somehow right that there are many members of the local boards that rank up pretty fast, but that doesn't mean that they get all of the merits from WO thread because some of those members also get good amount of merits from their own local boards. I don't think that they're getting those merits easily. Even in WO thread there are many members who won't get good any merits even they create more than 10 posts a day, but there are only a few lucky ones who get a dozen of merits when their post is liked by @El duderino_ and I think those guys are very lucky because @El Duderino_ is known for his attribute of distributing merits to the posts he finds worthy of getting merits. That doesn't means he gives merits to all those craps the members are posting on WO thread, but to the only ones that are somehow related to Bitcoin.

Even the ones posting memes may get some merits from WO, but that really doesn't mean that those members aren't putting efforts in getting those merits. In fact they're trying their best to find those memes and post it on WO thread to get those merits, and that's the main reason that @OP of this thread wanted the merit system to be disabled on WO thread. Even-through their approach also requires some efforts, but they aren't learning anything in the process and such members won't be able to create good quality posts even if they receive so many merits in a short span of time.