Alt account or loan defaulter [Obari]

[JeromeTash]

So far from what I can gather

1. Obari is an alt of Sakanwa as proved by the transaction history by both accounts using one exchange Bitcoin address at one point
2. Again Obari forgets to log in as Sakanwa and makes a post in a loan thread where "Obari" never took any loan but Sakanwa had an outstanding loan there.

So Obari = Sakanwa

3. Sakanwa and hashrateproducts post in one campaign thread using the same bitcoin address that sakanwa has always used.
There is also proof that  hashrateproducts is a hacked/stolen account

So Obari = Sakanwa = hashrateproducts (the person who stole or bought that account)

Furthermore, hashrateproducts is linked to a group of bounty cheating accounts, some of which are even already banned

Mistafreeze Banned
blackened515
BlackViruse Banned
martyns
Blackpussy Banned
9jaspyware Banned
lesor Banned
Kumasi
Lordhermes

I just want to make a clear list of the linked accounts before I start tagging

[1714841925]

1714841925

[AHOYBRAUSE]

So far from what I can gather

1. Obari is an alt of Sakanwa as proved by the transaction history by both accounts using one exchange Bitcoin address at one point
2. Again Obari forgets to log in as Sakanwa and makes a post in a loan thread where "Obari" never took any loan but Sakanwa had an outstanding loan there.

So Obari = Sakanwa

3. Sakanwa and hashrateproducts post in one campaign thread using the same bitcoin address that sakanwa has always used.
There is also proof that  hashrateproducts is a hacked/stolen account

So Obari = Sakanwa = hashrateproducts (the person who stole or bought that account)

Furthermore, hashrateproducts is linked to a group of bounty cheating accounts, some of which are even already banned

Mistafreeze Banned
blackened515
BlackViruse Banned
martyns
Blackpussy Banned
9jaspyware Banned
lesor Banned
Kumasi
Lordhermes

I just want to make a clear list of the linked accounts before I start tagging

Man, you are putting some work in, nice.
Yeah it's fair to say that the case is pretty much solid and not only does he have those alt accounts (that are also cheating in bounty campaigns) , he was also lying trying to "explain" the situation, which almost nobody believed in the first place.

If he would have been honest and admit what he has done, also paid back the loan instantly this wouldn't have escalated, no harm no foul. But coming with this silly story only made it worse and opens the door for guys like you looking into him a little deeper.

The only people coming to his defense are accounts that are also in the same local board. I guess it's only a matter of time he catches some more tags for this situation, I wonder why it didn't happen yet. This thread was quite silent the last 2 days, I bet he was hoping people would just move on from this. 

[nutildah]

So far from what I can gather

1. Obari is an alt of Sakanwa as proved by the transaction history by both accounts using one exchange Bitcoin address at one point
2. Again Obari forgets to log in as Sakanwa and makes a post in a loan thread where "Obari" never took any loan but Sakanwa had an outstanding loan there.

So Obari = Sakanwa

3. Sakanwa and hashrateproducts post in one campaign thread using the same bitcoin address that sakanwa has always used.
There is also proof that  hashrateproducts is a hacked/stolen account

So Obari = Sakanwa = hashrateproducts (the person who stole or bought that account)

Furthermore, hashrateproducts is linked to a group of bounty cheating accounts, some of which are even already banned

Mistafreeze Banned
blackened515
BlackViruse Banned
martyns
Blackpussy Banned
9jaspyware Banned
lesor Banned
Kumasi
Lordhermes

I just want to make a clear list of the linked accounts before I start tagging

Based on evidence collected here, the following are also alt accounts of the same person:

Cryptohermes05
omgitsmehehe
Blackvirus Banned

They probably have even more but the fact that they were operating a lot of these accounts simultaneously is pretty astounding... They were dedicated to their craft of multi-accounting but got too greedy in the end and made one too many slip-ups.

[Poker Player]

So far from what I can gather

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So Obari = Sakanwa

...

So Obari = Sakanwa = hashrateproducts (the person who stole or bought that account)

Furthermore, hashrateproducts is linked to a group of bounty cheating accounts, some of which are even already banned

Mistafreeze Banned
blackened515
BlackViruse Banned
martyns
Blackpussy Banned
9jaspyware Banned
lesor Banned
Kumasi
Lordhermes

I just want to make a clear list of the linked accounts before I start tagging

Based on evidence collected here, the following are also alt accounts of the same person:

Cryptohermes05
omgitsmehehe
Blackvirus Banned

They probably have even more but the fact that they were operating a lot of these accounts simultaneously is pretty astounding... They were dedicated to their craft of multi-accounting but got too greedy in the end and made one too many slip-ups.

So any reason not to red tag Obari and Sakanwa?

Those accounts are why all started this second time (the first time was for martyns) and thanks to nutildah and FatFork analysis we got blockchain connections linking them. I think some DTs should red tag them, but I'm in a period of self-control of my tagging aggressiveness, so to speak, and I'd rather make sure I'm not missing anything before I am the first painting their profiles in red.

[JeromeTash]

So any reason not to red tag Obari and Sakanwa?

Those accounts are why all started this second time (the first time was for martyns) and thanks to nutildah and FatFork analysis we got blockchain connections linking them. I think some DTs should red tag them, but I'm in a period of self-control of my tagging aggressiveness, so to speak, and I'd rather make sure I'm not missing anything before I am the first painting their profiles in red.

Giving them (him) time to come out and explain, plus completing the whole childhood friends story, like Lordhermes tried in the other thread. I don't want to delete the tags later after rushing to paint them so quickly because I didn't wait to hear the entire story.

There is also another reason. Please check PM.

[Obari]

I have to speak up now because I've done my best to contact sakanwa and I strongly believe that he's avoiding  me and I've tried several to get him to clear the air and get me out of this mess but to no avail.

Firstly obari is no alt of any account what so ever and yes I can receive  bitcoin from anybody because I'm a vendor and  if you can also check the list of transactions from my previous  address which I used for previous campaigns
3GH9bsdENsvBUADoXdM8ocSmLtk4URXs1S
You'll see that I've helped traded several times for people.

I've been very active on the forum and I wonder how possible it is for me still trying to rank up to get an alt very active as sakanwa because I still need the merits to be able to rank up hence I don't have an alt.

I will never lie about my health, and my health issue have been made obvious on the forum on several occasions and I also went for an xray early this month and here is a picture of my x-ray.



I've been using sakanwa's device because my phone is faulty and my brother who just got a job offshore  went for a 2 months training and induction with my laptop, as for the desktop, we don't have light and desktops can't work without a direct power supply and below is also a picture of my phone as well as a chat from friend when I was trying to seek a loan to assist my brother get some money to go for his screening and training for the job



I'm in a signature campaign which is a very healthy one except for the recent changes made on yomix and I earn $60 which goes for mostly my health and feeding and anyone from country will understand  that living on a budget of $60 weekly which isn't easy especially  when you have family who look up to you and that's why I've always been a frequent member of the lending board which I've never defaulted any loan.

I swear with my life that I have no connections with any alt account and Obari  is an entirely different person and I've worked earnestly and given all my best to grow my account.

The blunder of responding with obari wasn't made my obari but rather by sakanwa because my account was logged in his device and maybe he forgot to check before making a post with it.

And as for the mixin safe review,  I had to use the desktop after buying fuel of about 10 liters at the rate of #712 per litre because i already received the payment for it and it wouldn't be possible running on a generator that consumes fuel so bad every week to meet up works on the forum.

I've always been a good forum member who apologies for every mistakes I make and I have to openly say I'm sorry for everyone who has been dragged into this mess and yet sakanwa is still not ready to atleast  speak to me not to even talk more of addressing  the public here.

I've sincerely presented myself to the house and whatever decision taken is fine but growing an alt has never crossed my mind not even for a second because I'm still trying to create a reputation on the forum.

[Timelord2067]

This isn't a post in the Known Alts thread:

100% right.

I just wanted to publish this when I saw your thread.

@AHOYBRAUSE - where does your screen grab come from?

[AHOYBRAUSE]

This isn't a post in the Known Alts thread:

100% right.

I just wanted to publish this when I saw your thread.

@AHOYBRAUSE - where does your screen grab come from?

That's the "preview" of my report I wanted to make.
But then I saw Shasan already made one so I only made the screen and never published it.

Thats why I wrote: "I just wanted to publish this when I saw your thread."

[Timelord2067]

That's the "preview" of my report I wanted to make.
But then I saw Shasan already made one so I only made the screen and never published it.

Thats why I wrote: "I just wanted to publish this when I saw your thread."

Ah, that makes sence.

I was just having a look at their word usage - the first example comes up with multiple usages:

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=sakanwa&content=I%20really%20don%27t%20know - 39 posts of 425 total posts
https://ninjastic.space/search?author=Obari&content=I%20really%20don%27t%20know - 131 posts of 1402 total posts

It's early days as I've only just started looking at their post usage (I'm looking for other images they've both posted of their hands ^{(think the Pumpkin farce)} and tiled floor)

[Poker Player]

I swear with my life that I have no connections with any alt account and Obari  is an entirely different person and I've worked earnestly and given all my best to grow my account.

Why do you talk about yourself in the third person? Did you forget again that you are logged in with Obari's account? For me you have so many alts that you can't make yourself clear. Something like the one who has multiple personalities but in the forum. From time to time they mess up.

I've sincerely presented myself to the house and whatever decision taken is fine but growing an alt has never crossed my mind not even for a second because I'm still trying to create a reputation on the forum.

In this forum there is no problem with you having alts, the problems come if you break the rules with them.

[nutildah]

The posting styles of the two posters are extraordinarily similar. It seems like they both type their posts from a phone, without much regard for punctuation or formatting:

Illiteracy and ignorance make people say what ever they like about Crypto,it is normal for them to express the feelings about it but not to talk I'll about it because this is what has really made some many people live bouyantly.I wish they understood that Bitcoin is not related to crime in any way,it is a legit and legal way of making money through investment,either long term or short term.This question of whether Bitcoin is crime related was asked by someone I know sometimes ago,and it only takes time for you to explain in details what it's all about before they will believe you.But if they don't believe after explanation,then there is nothing to worry about because you owe no one explanation.
One will wonder what the activities in bitcoin are that gives them the money,but it is left for you to tell them the things one does that makes the money available which also gives them and edge over other financial sources.

I wonder how on earth some persons can be this lucky
It is true that most person's are from background were they believe in some religious believe that goes against their wish.Good life is the best thing man can ever wish for himself,and when it seems one has gotten a way to get that good life,they will be left unhappy due to their religious believe and practices.If I were that boy,as long as I have gotten this kind of money,the first thing I will do is to open upto my parents,and tell them the source of the money,if they refuse taking the money from me,then I will know I have offered help and they refused,so their sufferings is no longer on me,and its no longer my business because they choose to suffer,and I don't really see any reason why a particular religion will believe gambling is bad.It can only be bad when it lured you to do things that are illegal,but as long as you do the right thing,if you are opportuned to win,then I don't see any reason why such money shouldn't be used.And for any parent that is still practicing this kind of primitivity,I just think they love poverty and nothing else.I will advice that boy to tell them how he made that money,if they refuse to take it from him,he should look for an apartment elsewhere,and leave a comfortable life there.

Also this was kind of interesting:

You can reach me on telegram @sakaexchange and I will  be will to talk more better with you.

Obari.

I think the Sakanwa account is certainly taggable based on this:

Although I don't have any strong evidence, but it seems like there is one more account connected with Sakanwa or Obari. And the account is hashrateproducts. Sakanwa had applied on the MoneyPot signature campaign at 9:32 PM on 20th August. And 'hashrateproducts' had applied on the same campaign at 9:34 PM on 20th August. Sakanwa had applied in the campaign before hashrateproducts. Therefore, it wasn't a copy paste mistake from Sakanwa.

Rank: Full Member
Bech32 address:  bc1q6d44ca2vftpgn9hnqft7ngumex9x3aj70tfljf
Merit earned in the last 120 days:10

Rank: Full member
Bech32 address: bc1q6d44ca2vftpgn9hnqft7ngumex9x3aj70tfljf
Merit earned in the last 120 days: 10

'hashrateproducts' had received 0.003 BTC from Mixin Safe review campaign on 19th July, then he sent the BTC to Obari's Bitcoin address.


(Transaction link)

BTC SegWit Address: bc1qk4y8tmgznqg9k9t3t9rzmyqhdy522zutz3gjsu

However, I'm hesitant to tag the Obari account without more sufficient on-forum evidence. If Sakanwa doesn't repay the rest of the loan in a timely manner (or the lender declares they have defaulted) then they should definitely be tagged for that. I feel like this person has already lost enough accounts recently and hopefully already learned their lesson.

[Poker Player]

I think the Sakanwa account is certainly taggable based on this:

.....

However, I'm hesitant to tag the Obari account without more sufficient on-forum evidence. If Sakanwa doesn't repay the rest of the loan in a timely manner (or the lender declares they have defaulted) then they should definitely be tagged for that. I feel like this person has already lost enough accounts recently and hopefully already learned their lesson.

I think Obari is breathing a sigh of relief after this. 

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt too, at least for the time being on both accounts, keeping an eye on them if they pay back the loans they ask for.

Sakanwa participates in a signature campaign with Hhampuz and I would say that from past experience, he does not, at least automatically, kick participants out of the campaigns he runs for a couple of red tags. There was one exception with Whirlwind.money where he did kick one out but I think that was because of the higher requirements of the campaign.

Obari is happy because he has recently been accepted into the Yo!Mix campaign, so they both have cash flow to pay back the typical small loans that are given out on the forum.

[Mahdirakib]

Let's assume, whatever you are saying is true. But how true is your statement? On 25th August, you said that you know 'Sakanwa' from your childhood, and you were using his phone most of the time. But on the 30th August, you said that 'Sakanwa' is avoiding you even though you tried your best to contact him. What kind of childhood friendship is it? You were using his phone most of the time to make posts on Bitcointalk forum one week ago, now he is avoiding you as the alt accounts are exposed!

I've known sakanwa from childhood and I can always attest for him and since my phone has been bad, I've  been logging in my account with his phone most times and it has really dragged me backward for over three weeks or so because I haven't been able to meet up with my work in my signature  campaign because I have to share sakanwa's phone ~

I have to speak up now because I've done my best to contact sakanwa and I strongly believe that he's avoiding  me and I've tried several to get him to clear the air and get me out of this mess but to no avail.

Firstly obari is no alt of any account what so ever and yes I can receive  bitcoin from anybody because I'm a vendor

How do you know 'hashrateproducts'? Is he also your childhood friend? You had directly received Bitcoin from his address on 19th July. It looks like 'hashrateproducts' account doesn't belong to the original owner: hashrateproducts is a bought or hacked account.

Obari is happy because he has recently been accepted into the Yo!Mix campaign ~

There will be a new pay rate on YoMix campaign from tomorrow, and Obari's name isn't in the new spreadsheet. He wasn't accepted for the updated payroll.

[JeromeTash]

Obari is happy because he has recently been accepted into the Yo!Mix campaign, so they both have cash flow to pay back the typical small loans that are given out on the forum.

He is going to be kicked out with the new changes in the campaign. Today/tomorrow will probably be his last pay day for Yomix. Obari/Sanakwa/hashrateproducts has enough cash flow. He had it even before the beginning of this circus because he had several alt accounts participating in different signature campaigns but look what greed has brought him.

He tried to make up a silly excuse to avoid paying the loan. Who does that?

Had he paid back the loan in good faith, he wouldn't be under scrutiny today.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Obari is happy because he has recently been accepted into the Yo!Mix campaign, so they both have cash flow to pay back the typical small loans that are given out on the forum.

He is going to be kicked out with the new changes in the campaign. Today/tomorrow will probably be his last pay day for Yomix. Obari/Sanakwa/hashrateproducts has enough cash flow. He had it even before the beginning of this circus because he had several alt accounts participating in different signature campaigns but look what greed has brought him.

He tried to make up a silly excuse to avoid paying the loan. Who does that?

Had he paid back the loan in good faith, he wouldn't be under scrutiny today.

Actually you guys are not up to date.
Obari has been accepted at sinbad campaign 3 days ago.



Actually I mentioned this case talking to Royse but he said he gives him the benefit of the doubt, which is fair.
Still if this case gets even more proof this benefit might change in the future maybe.

After his sob story it seems obari is back posting like a champ in the last few days. 

[Poker Player]

There will be a new pay rate on YoMix campaign from tomorrow, and Obari's name isn't in the new spreadsheet. He wasn't accepted for the updated payroll.

Apart from what AHOYBRAUSE has said just to say that I have looked at the spreadsheet and yes he is on it, in row 17. As I have seen that several of you said contradictory things on the subject, although AHOYBRAUSE's seemed the most reliable, I went to check it.

[nutildah]

The posting styles of the two posters are extraordinarily similar. It seems like they both type their posts from a phone, without much regard for punctuation or formatting:

Illiteracy and ignorance make people say what ever they like about Crypto,it is normal for them to express the feelings about it but not to talk I'll about it because this is what has really made some many people live bouyantly.I wish they understood that Bitcoin is not related to crime in any way,it is a legit and legal way of making money through investment,either long term or short term.This question of whether Bitcoin is crime related was asked by someone I know sometimes ago,and it only takes time for you to explain in details what it's all about before they will believe you.But if they don't believe after explanation,then there is nothing to worry about because you owe no one explanation.
One will wonder what the activities in bitcoin are that gives them the money,but it is left for you to tell them the things one does that makes the money available which also gives them and edge over other financial sources.

I wonder how on earth some persons can be this lucky
It is true that most person's are from background were they believe in some religious believe that goes against their wish.Good life is the best thing man can ever wish for himself,and when it seems one has gotten a way to get that good life,they will be left unhappy due to their religious believe and practices.If I were that boy,as long as I have gotten this kind of money,the first thing I will do is to open upto my parents,and tell them the source of the money,if they refuse taking the money from me,then I will know I have offered help and they refused,so their sufferings is no longer on me,and its no longer my business because they choose to suffer,and I don't really see any reason why a particular religion will believe gambling is bad.It can only be bad when it lured you to do things that are illegal,but as long as you do the right thing,if you are opportuned to win,then I don't see any reason why such money shouldn't be used.And for any parent that is still practicing this kind of primitivity,I just think they love poverty and nothing else.I will advice that boy to tell them how he made that money,if they refuse to take it from him,he should look for an apartment elsewhere,and leave a comfortable life there.

I just want to add to this, Lordhermes, an account linked to the farm, also posts in the same style:

With what i'm seeing in the premier league after the first game so far today,Some big teams will find it difficult to get to the top this season, imagine Liverpool drawing Fulham in their first game of the season,this really surprised me because Liverpool's odd against Fulham was very small,but they ended up seeing a draw,and I must confess the way Fulham played today,if they can continue in this kind of form,I think they will surprise people this season.
Totthenham won their first game as well as their bitterest rival Arsenal who broke their every first match jink yesterday with a 2-0 convincing win.The pressure was much on Crystal palace that they scored an own goal.

Same thing with martyns:

No doubt about the fact that learning trading is very necessary,but the problem is when they learn it from a very tender age,when they are still below 17 years,I think that age is not the best time for them to start knowing or learning about trading.Trading is like gambling,it is never certain that it's going to come out positive,you will either win or lose.

I don't have kids yet,but if I have kids,I will introduce trading to them when they will be 18 and above,they will only learn about crypto currency and Bitcoin,but I won't teach them how to invest yet,untill they are upto the age I want them to,before showing them how to make money through trading.

Interestingly, Mistafreeze and blackened515 do not share this style. And for the accounts named above, only sometimes do they post in this style. Either the account farm is being operated by two people or they write posts from both a computer and phone.

[Stalker22]

I just want to add to this, Lordhermes, an account linked to the farm, also posts in the same style:

Lordhermes, Sakanwa, and Obari also share the same style of reserving posts in signature campaigns:

R

Lordhermes:
https://ninjastic.space/post/56180154
https://ninjastic.space/post/56072387
https://ninjastic.space/post/55989009
https://ninjastic.space/post/55321382
https://ninjastic.space/post/55307667

Sakanwa:
https://ninjastic.space/post/62688294
https://ninjastic.space/post/62674072
https://ninjastic.space/post/62511498

Obari:
https://ninjastic.space/post/62705155
https://ninjastic.space/post/62681454
https://ninjastic.space/post/62571251
https://ninjastic.space/post/62563149
https://ninjastic.space/post/62465816
https://ninjastic.space/post/62429961
https://ninjastic.space/post/62429956

~
Interestingly, Mistafreeze and blackened515 do not share this style. And for the accounts named above, only sometimes do they post in this style. Either the account farm is being operated by two people or they write posts from both a computer and phone.

I am not sure what to make of this, it appears there are just too many accounts for one person to manage. You might be onto something with the idea that the farm is run by two or more people, but it seems like everyone uses all the accounts as required.


Going down the rabbit hole, Mistafreeze account is connected to DomainMagnate and KryptoKings here. He is also linked with dbc23, coco23, Zilon, and Alisha-k accounts in this thread.

[Mahdirakib]

Actually you guys are not up to date.
Obari has been accepted at sinbad campaign 3 days ago.

I didn't check the spreadsheet of Sinbad as Obari was wearing the signature and avatar of YoMix.

Apart from what AHOYBRAUSE has said just to say that I have looked at the spreadsheet and yes he is on it, in row 17. As I have seen that several of you said contradictory things on the subject, although AHOYBRAUSE's seemed the most reliable, I went to check it.

I wasn't wrong when I made the post. Obari has been accepted in YoMix campaign for the avatar payroll today. And his name wasn't in the spreadsheet when I made the post. However, I wasn't aware of the fact that Obari was accepted in the Sinbad campaign too for the avatar payroll.

Sakanwa is continuously making posts in the gambling discussion without clarifying the situation here. Does he really deserve the benefit of doubt?

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Actually you guys are not up to date.
Obari has been accepted at sinbad campaign 3 days ago.

I didn't check the spreadsheet of Sinbad as Obari was wearing the signature and avatar of YoMix.

Apart from what AHOYBRAUSE has said just to say that I have looked at the spreadsheet and yes he is on it, in row 17. As I have seen that several of you said contradictory things on the subject, although AHOYBRAUSE's seemed the most reliable, I went to check it.

I wasn't wrong when I made the post. Obari has been accepted in YoMix campaign for the avatar payroll today. And his name wasn't in the spreadsheet when I made the post. However, I wasn't aware of the fact that Obari was accepted in the Sinbad campaign too for the avatar payroll.

Sakanwa is continuously making posts in the gambling discussion without clarifying the situation here. Does he really deserve the benefit of doubt?

Yeah I didn't see he was in the avatar only campaign, you were right.
Fun fact, it seems that Obari isn't aware of this himself since he is still wearing the yo!mix signature and avatar even though the week ended Friday.

And yes, Sakanwa's silence is quite ridiculous.
One thing I have to add though. Since I am regularly speaking with cybercowboy I know that he and Sakanwa spoke and he already paid back a part of what he owes , like 50% or a little more. This happened some days ago.
Anyway, not even speaking out of course is a bad look and that doesn't change the multi account ( bounty campaign abuse ) allegations here.