I have solved the problem of complexity in provably fair games

[AussieMat]

something I kept asking myself was the following: suppose you get in touch with some casino and that casino asks you to show your service, so you show the casino and they spend your service, they reach some agreement, how can you be sure that the casino Won't you take a guy who knows coding and copy your idea and then stop making a deal because the casino is selling your idea to other casinos?

Thank you for the earlier advice, I will be contacting them (if I can since I am a newbie).

To answer the question: first is to get hired as an advisor with a fixed term contract. If someone thinks my qualifications aren’t good enough for that then it’s end of story with that casino. Second I will consult legal professionals for this matter. It’s a challenge, but I can imagine that once my idea is revealed, any changes to their provably fair games with a consequent increase in revenue must be paid a royalty fee to me. They shouldn’t have a way around it. It’s something to be carefully worked out with legal professionals.

Now if they pass on the idea to another casino that’s a tough question to address, but actually an intelligent question. In general, casino owners are different, and are competing with each other. On the other hand, a big enough casino would never do such a thing with affiliates. They’d rather profit from their biggest operator if they have to choose between small and big ones (if they have many casinos)

I have gone through the whole thread and I really think that other members of the forum have guided you very well about the matter. I would like to say something that's different and maybe helpful for you. I don't think that any of those well known casinos will be willing to sign a legal contract with you because they're already okay with their version of the provably fair system and they don't want to spend any more money to someone else's system.

Instead of pitching those casinos I recommend you to launch your own casino if you have the budget for that. If you can create your own casino then you don't need to ask others to test or implement your version of provably fair because you can implement that in your own casino games without someone else's permission and you may get appreciation from the gamblers if they found your version better and easily comprehensible. Other casinos may not pay you well for that system that you are giving them and that's why it's way better to own a casino yourself and implement the system in your own casino. That way you may earn better revenue from your research and others may get license from you if they want to implement it in their casinos.

Thank you for your contribution. I thought about it extensively and it would be a complicated thing for me to open my own casino. There would also be a risk, if I get just moderate success, of others implementing my idea and putting me out of business. They don’t have to get license from me, since this is not an invention, it’s just a way of doing things. Same like when you can’t patent a physics rule that others might want to use let’s say to make car motors.

How much are they going to pay for an advisor…. Not that much. And the royalty fee I get would only be from the extra revenue generated from the provably fair games, that is if there was a statistical significant increase in revenue for those games.

Provably fair games are made so that the player can verify them for himself but actually it’s very complicated to do so for the time being. I can hardly imagine an executive looking at my CV and what I claim to offer and not be interested to say the least. It’s just that nobody of power has taken the time to read through my message. I’ve applied to the development company of Stake and to BC.Game with no response. I don’t even know if they read the application.

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[Sandra_hakeem]

Yeahhhh, this might actually be a very good resolution for every gambler that would wanna stick to it...i sure hope this is some development that would solve the said problems...
The big question that remains unanswered is - how's the effectiveness of the said site??... Will it suffer negligence for the very fact that it's not gonna be adopted soon by everyone??... P/s: The fate of this innovation would depend on certain considerations - one of such is if it doesn't limit the influx of funds to other casinos.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[decodx]

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Why am I not surprised? I believe your entire approach to this is wrong , and you're simply wasting your time. My guess is that casino owners won't bother contacting you since they have more pressing matters. If you genuinely believe you've come up with a valuable idea that could be beneficial for casino operators, the responsibility lies with you to demonstrate its worth first. Only then should you seek a buyer or an employer who might be interested in hiring you.

[CrazyMMG]

Hello,

I work as an independent Provably Fair auditor for the Provably Fair Foundation. I'm interested to hear the details of your new system (under strict NDA if you insist), to validate the claims that your system is as revolutionary as you say it is. I have seen many proposed systems in the past, yet most have a fatal flaw of some kind. Truthfully, I find it hard to believe that this system will live up to the expectations of a Provably Fair system, but please PM or email me if you believe it does so I can arrange some form of an audit.

Cheers.

[AussieMat]

Hello,

I work as an independent Provably Fair auditor for the Provably Fair Foundation. I'm interested to hear the details of your new system (under strict NDA if you insist), to validate the claims that your system is as revolutionary as you say it is. I have seen many proposed systems in the past, yet most have a fatal flaw of some kind. Truthfully, I find it hard to believe that this system will live up to the expectations of a Provably Fair system, but please PM or email me if you believe it does so I can arrange some form of an audit.

Cheers.

Hey there,
I am only interested to work with casinos. NDA is also very fragile, and I wouldn’t even reveal my idea to the casino under NDA. They could pass it on to a friend business and the other business would say “we discovered it”. It would be a believable story since, as I said earlier, it is a simple process. I would only reveal my process after getting hired as an advisor and after signing a very solid royalty fee contract that binds the casino for any change in their provably fair system that could be related to my idea. Now if they don’t want to implement it (which I know isn’t possible), I would only continue giving my services as an advisor.

This is the only way for the time being. If this doesn’t work, I’ll have to figure out another way. But I am as sure as I can verify Stake games on my JavaScript program that my system is equally provably fair. It’s either provably fair or not. No flaws are allowed of course.

To be honest, you’re also making me even more excited about this. You say you hardly believe this could live up to the expectations. It means you, as a professional in this domain, think the expectations are high. It means my system truly has some potential as I think it is. Because I know the expectations are met in every sense of what I said.

[Kakmakr]

Hello,

I work as an independent Provably Fair auditor for the Provably Fair Foundation. I'm interested to hear the details of your new system (under strict NDA if you insist), to validate the claims that your system is as revolutionary as you say it is. I have seen many proposed systems in the past, yet most have a fatal flaw of some kind. Truthfully, I find it hard to believe that this system will live up to the expectations of a Provably Fair system, but please PM or email me if you believe it does so I can arrange some form of an audit.

Cheers.

Hey there,
I am only interested to work with casinos. NDA is also very fragile, and I wouldn’t even reveal my idea to the casino under NDA. They could pass it on to a friend business and the other business would say “we discovered it”. It would be a believable story since, as I said earlier, it is a simple process. I would only reveal my process after getting hired as an advisor and after signing a very solid royalty fee contract that binds the casino for any change in their provably fair system that could be related to my idea. Now if they don’t want to implement it (which I know isn’t possible), I would only continue giving my services as an advisor.

This is the only way for the time being. If this doesn’t work, I’ll have to figure out another way. But I am as sure as I can verify Stake games on my JavaScript program that my system is equally provably fair. It’s either provably fair or not. No flaws are allowed of course.

To be honest, you’re also making me even more excited about this. You say you hardly believe this could live up to the expectations. It means you, as a professional in this domain, think the expectations are high. It means my system truly has some potential as I think it is. Because I know the expectations are met in every sense of what I said.

Yes, it is a cut-throat business in the gambling industry and to protect your "idea" is crucial. I shared some of my ideas with some casinos a while ago and heard nothing from them for a few months and then one day, I saw them implementing those ideas as their own. So, I confronted them and they merely said I have no intellectual property rights on ideas that they also had. 

In any way.... targeting the CEO or marketing team might be the wrong angle of approach, because most of them are not technically inclined.... you have to speak to the developer team and the problem with that is.... once you reveal your "idea" ..they will claim it and they will implement it to get credit from their bosses.     (Do everything in writing and record your conversations) 

[AussieMat]

Hello,

I work as an independent Provably Fair auditor for the Provably Fair Foundation. I'm interested to hear the details of your new system (under strict NDA if you insist), to validate the claims that your system is as revolutionary as you say it is. I have seen many proposed systems in the past, yet most have a fatal flaw of some kind. Truthfully, I find it hard to believe that this system will live up to the expectations of a Provably Fair system, but please PM or email me if you believe it does so I can arrange some form of an audit.

Cheers.

Hey there,
I am only interested to work with casinos. NDA is also very fragile, and I wouldn’t even reveal my idea to the casino under NDA. They could pass it on to a friend business and the other business would say “we discovered it”. It would be a believable story since, as I said earlier, it is a simple process. I would only reveal my process after getting hired as an advisor and after signing a very solid royalty fee contract that binds the casino for any change in their provably fair system that could be related to my idea. Now if they don’t want to implement it (which I know isn’t possible), I would only continue giving my services as an advisor.

This is the only way for the time being. If this doesn’t work, I’ll have to figure out another way. But I am as sure as I can verify Stake games on my JavaScript program that my system is equally provably fair. It’s either provably fair or not. No flaws are allowed of course.

To be honest, you’re also making me even more excited about this. You say you hardly believe this could live up to the expectations. It means you, as a professional in this domain, think the expectations are high. It means my system truly has some potential as I think it is. Because I know the expectations are met in every sense of what I said.

Yes, it is a cut-throat business in the gambling industry and to protect your "idea" is crucial. I shared some of my ideas with some casinos a while ago and heard nothing from them for a few months and then one day, I saw them implementing those ideas as their own. So, I confronted them and they merely said I have no intellectual property rights on ideas that they also had.  

In any way.... targeting the CEO or marketing team might be the wrong angle of approach, because most of them are not technically inclined.... you have to speak to the developer team and the problem with that is.... once you reveal your "idea" ..they will claim it and they will implement it to get credit from their bosses.     (Do everything in writing and record your conversations)  

I’ve sent an email to the crypto gambling foundation (admin@cryptogambling.org) their website: https://cryptogambling.org/ but the email address is obsolete…. So I contacted them through Facebook that I might get a working email address.

[348Judah]

Let's just assumed that this may work for you only OP and we cannot concluded that it's also applicable to everyone the same way, remember that gambling challenges are in batches and also in phases and hich means they cannot be completely solved neither will they be completely avoided, the more we are into gambling the more we continue to gain diverse experience in using any gambling platform and we see new things to learn from aside the onee we are used to, if there's indeed a provable fair game in gambling then i think everyone would have set a target on that and no one will have a reason for losing their bets while gambling, but fortunately enough everything comes under risk, we are all trying our own best to make the fun out of it either winning or loosing.

[wiss19]

I don't think that a simple thread is enough to make the representatives of the most respected and reputable casino platforms approach you to demand your CV so that they can hire you, it's not a requirement for them to get what you think is very useful for them since their platforms are still working pretty well with the original system that they have and have always had, if you think this can benefit them further, it is you who need to pitch your proposal to them.

The best way for you must be to reach them either through their email or what other means they have for contacting that you can find from their website and send your CV along with your pitch there so that they can approach you if they feel that they should give it a try or at least get a demo of the system.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I don't know if this has been said before, but honestly, I think what you would have done is contact the casinos directly, find out those of them that have open positions, and leave your CV with them, this way, you have a better chance at finding interested casinos that might just want to check out your skills..
This comment of mine is only relevant if I understand what you mean correctly ..

Another suggestion is, consider building your own casino, and with your skills, build your own probably fair games, though , this will take a lot of time and money, but then, I think it's still something good to consider ..

Anyways, I wish all the best of luck in finding a casino that will be interested in having you on their team.

[CrazyMMG]

Hello,

I work as an independent Provably Fair auditor for the Provably Fair Foundation. I'm interested to hear the details of your new system (under strict NDA if you insist), to validate the claims that your system is as revolutionary as you say it is. I have seen many proposed systems in the past, yet most have a fatal flaw of some kind. Truthfully, I find it hard to believe that this system will live up to the expectations of a Provably Fair system, but please PM or email me if you believe it does so I can arrange some form of an audit.

Cheers.

Hey there,
I am only interested to work with casinos. NDA is also very fragile, and I wouldn’t even reveal my idea to the casino under NDA. They could pass it on to a friend business and the other business would say “we discovered it”. It would be a believable story since, as I said earlier, it is a simple process. I would only reveal my process after getting hired as an advisor and after signing a very solid royalty fee contract that binds the casino for any change in their provably fair system that could be related to my idea. Now if they don’t want to implement it (which I know isn’t possible), I would only continue giving my services as an advisor.

This is the only way for the time being. If this doesn’t work, I’ll have to figure out another way. But I am as sure as I can verify Stake games on my JavaScript program that my system is equally provably fair. It’s either provably fair or not. No flaws are allowed of course.

To be honest, you’re also making me even more excited about this. You say you hardly believe this could live up to the expectations. It means you, as a professional in this domain, think the expectations are high. It means my system truly has some potential as I think it is. Because I know the expectations are met in every sense of what I said.

I'm interested to know whether your new system actually changes the client and server seed dynamic, or whether it is a JavaScript verifier for current provably fair implementations? If the system is changing the actual seeding steps, you must make sure your system actually follows Provably Fair regulations. If you do not wish to reveal your idea even under an NDA, would you be willing to email me so I can clarify a few more things about your system to determine whether it is provably fair as you say. The current client and server seed system is, from a technical standpoint, very solid and not in need of a change. If your idea is a JavaScript verifier for currently in-use systems, that is a different matter entirely.

[AussieMat]

Thank you everyone for your participation and for those who wished me good luck.

@CrazyMMG, I am 100% certain of my system and I don’t need to reveal any more details to be sure. I would be betting all of my advisor position salary for all the duration of the contract with the casino + some of my own money on a single baccarat round, with my system implemented, and if they can cheat me out of it, let them keep it. And I’m not joking.

I agree the current system from a technical point of view is solid, but if very few people can actually use it as it is the case today, and with substantial effort to do so, its actual use case is weak. My system is as much as provably fair.

[CrazyMMG]

OK. Good luck with your endeavors, I will be happy to audit the system when/if a casino implements it.

[AussieMat]

OK. Good luck with your endeavors, I will be happy to audit the system when/if a casino implements it.

Ok thank you anyway for your participation in this thread I appreciate it.

[BenCodie]

The primary motivation behind my application for this role stems from my unique approach to implementing provably fair games. Unlike current methods, my approach significantly simplifies the implementation process. This results in a game system that requires minimal cryptography understanding from players, almost no coding skills, and only a brief time to comprehend and verify game outcomes. This approach can be applied to most provably fair games at this stage.

If a casino is working with a system they built, which is trusted enough to operate and is not questioned by its user base, they will likely keep the system that they have. While your initiative is great, it's unrealistic to think that current casinos will opt for the service.

I think that your best route is to work with a developer to build a casino software, using your skills for the provably fair system. You might be a bit more successful in the long term this way.

[AussieMat]

The primary motivation behind my application for this role stems from my unique approach to implementing provably fair games. Unlike current methods, my approach significantly simplifies the implementation process. This results in a game system that requires minimal cryptography understanding from players, almost no coding skills, and only a brief time to comprehend and verify game outcomes. This approach can be applied to most provably fair games at this stage.

If a casino is working with a system they built, which is trusted enough to operate and is not questioned by its user base, they will likely keep the system that they have. While your initiative is great, it's unrealistic to think that current casinos will opt for the service.

I think that your best route is to work with a developer to build a casino software, using your skills for the provably fair system. You might be a bit more successful in the long term this way.

They’re also trusting the slots right… It has been though undeniably proven that A TON of cheating happens on slots, including cheating streamers who play quite a lot and have statistical proof. You just don’t know if they’re trusting the system or being stupid. Sometimes people do stupid things but then stop doing it.

I offer a great product. I believe that if my application is taken seriously I should get some feeback, which I haven’t.

On the other hand, I explain above why opening my own casino is not good idea. It’s like revealing my system for free while taking huge risks. An already established casino will benefit much more by going first on this.

[Yaunfitda]

The primary motivation behind my application for this role stems from my unique approach to implementing provably fair games. Unlike current methods, my approach significantly simplifies the implementation process. This results in a game system that requires minimal cryptography understanding from players, almost no coding skills, and only a brief time to comprehend and verify game outcomes. This approach can be applied to most provably fair games at this stage.

If a casino is working with a system they built, which is trusted enough to operate and is not questioned by its user base, they will likely keep the system that they have. While your initiative is great, it's unrealistic to think that current casinos will opt for the service.

I think that your best route is to work with a developer to build a casino software, using your skills for the provably fair system. You might be a bit more successful in the long term this way.

They’re also trusting the slots right… It has been though undeniably proven that A TON of cheating happens on slots, including cheating streamers who play quite a lot and have statistical proof. You just don’t know if they’re trusting the system or being stupid. Sometimes people do stupid things but then stop doing it.

I offer a great product. I believe that if my application is taken seriously I should get some feeback, which I haven’t.

On the other hand, I explain above why opening my own casino is not good idea. It’s like revealing my system for free while taking huge risks. An already established casino will benefit much more by going first on this.

I do agree, slots is one of the worst if not the worst games that we should play. Me too, fall for this trick, so I just played slots for fun and not put a lot of money on it because the odds for me to win are extremely slim.

Regarding your product though, it's all about how you pitch it to casinos. Why not just start to look at their official twitter account and reach for them though? At least in that case, you can control and not just wait for them to read your post here, just saying.

[davis196]

No crypto casino owner is going to hire you.
Why don't you create your own crypto casino, where you could impose your "revolutionary" probably fair verification system(or whatever you call it)?
I'm sure that you will stand out of the competition, by providing easier to understand(and to verify) explanation of the "probably fair" concept.
Creating a crypto casino isn't that expensive. Just get a domain and hosting, buy a casino template and install the games(by getting a gambling game provider). You will have to spend money on advertising as well.

[piebeyb]

Regarding your product though, it's all about how you pitch it to casinos. Why not just start to look at their official twitter account and reach for them though? At least in that case, you can control and not just wait for them to read your post here, just saying.

Since he has written about it in this forum thread, I would think contacting the casino reps that are on this forum, at least send a DM to them to submit on their platform, not sure about contacting him via twitter, since he has written nothing in this thread about the product and his thoughts so it's best to DM and give this thread to the casino teams that are active on this forum, at least the newly developing casinos, because for large casinos it will be difficult

If I'm not mistaken, there are lots of new casinos coming to this forum, so try starting from a small casino first and starting from there, it will be easier to hone your skills, at least it will help build the casino from small until it can become big, because if you offer it to a casino that is already big, of course it would be impossible to accept this kind of offer.

[AussieMat]

No crypto casino owner is going to hire you.
Why don't you create your own crypto casino, where you could impose your "revolutionary" probably fair verification system(or whatever you call it)?
I'm sure that you will stand out of the competition, by providing easier to understand(and to verify) explanation of the "probably fair" concept.
Creating a crypto casino isn't that expensive. Just get a domain and hosting, buy a casino template and install the games(by getting a gambling game provider). You will have to spend money on advertising as well.

You’re not encouraging:(

The competition will quickly implement the system, and the advantage of my gambling website, if I can create any, will rapidly fade away, while it’s still in the very beginning. While as for a big casino, a substantial advantage can be gained by implementing it first, and they’ll know who to market it for online much better than I do. The system can also be applied to poker, the ring game.