I have solved the problem of complexity in provably fair games

[Latviand]

I think you should give this pitch to your employer and not here. Not want to ask you any hints but you should have provide proofs of your claim so it would have a good point for discussion. Well, I guess it's nice to know who is this forum have the same situation as you and know the details.

OP is probably bluffing because if OP really found a way top solve the complexity, OP would share it and OP wouldn't fear others appropriating the solution because OP has more understanding and the people that would've answered on OP's thread would know that the solution originated but no, OP decides to hide it and go directly to casinos which I believe is a behavior of someone who has found a solution.

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[Dunamisx]

This is very simple to understand, if he thinks he has the best solution at hand, then it's important to know that he would first be the beneficiary to that opportunity before taking it to the public involving others, also something like this can have enough evidence to prove it, while in gambling, it is very important that we should know we all have our personal responsibility in making new discovery about gambling that will favour our experience and others along, if OP is really true about all he had said, then i believe it will work out some things on his behalf.

[AussieMat]

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This post is bearing some fruits which is beautiful to see. I am at the stage where I am exploring my options. Casino executives, please don’t hesitate to contact me! Let’s make it in a way that players who are not software developers can finally have the certainty they are not being cheated!

They don’t need to install any additional software and they can verify the results whether they are using Windows, Mac or Linux. No blockchain block hashes are needed and the process is not slowed down. I can’t think but the casino who will implement this will make a killing. There is no doubt in my mind the currently complex way of doing provably fair will become for the most part obsolete.

[wallet4bitcoin]

Up.
This post is bearing some fruits which is beautiful to see. I am at the stage where I am exploring my options. Casino executives, please don’t hesitate to contact me! Let’s make it in a way that players who are not software developers can finally have the certainty they are not being cheated!

They don’t need to install any additional software and they can verify the results whether they are using Windows, Mac or Linux. No blockchain block hashes are needed and the process is not slowed down. I can’t think but the casino who will implement this will make a killing. There is no doubt in my mind the currently complex way of doing provably fair will become for the most part obsolete.

By default, loads of players don't consider the algo that powers any game, they only start considering that when they suspect something fishy with the winning system, maybe if a particular strategy always gets the reward or a particular region, globally.

Only an insignificant percentage of players consider the algo behind these games they play as they are wired to respond to logical reasoning than the regular joe does.

[hopenotlate]

By default, loads of players don't consider the algo that powers any game, they only start considering that when they suspect something fishy with the winning system, maybe if a particular strategy always gets the reward or a particular region, globally.

Only an insignificant percentage of players consider the algo behind these games they play as they are wired to respond to logical reasoning than the regular joe does.

Disagree on this, dont' know if I am an exception but I've always thought I belong to the average gambler Joe but thefirst thing I check, after discovering its existence thanks to this forum, before playing a game is if it's a provably fair one. I almost only play games where such systems are implemented because I feel assured in this way.
 

[delfastTions]

By default, loads of players don't consider the algo that powers any game, they only start considering that when they suspect something fishy with the winning system, maybe if a particular strategy always gets the reward or a particular region, globally.

Only an insignificant percentage of players consider the algo behind these games they play as they are wired to respond to logical reasoning than the regular joe does.

Disagree on this, dont' know if I am an exception but I've always thought I belong to the average gambler Joe but thefirst thing I check, after discovering its existence thanks to this forum, before playing a game is if it's a provably fair one. I almost only play games where such systems are implemented because I feel assured in this way.
 

I also think that quite a few players are interested in testing the provably fair algorithm.  But, of course, such actions are done by already quite experienced players and those people who are interested in how the games in this casino generally work and how it works.  Novice players may not even know about the existence of this algorithm. 

OP here above claims that he invented a unique method and all existing ones are outdated and they are complex and cumbersome.  This is a serious statement, and it certainly requires proof.  Moreover, such evidence that even experts in matters of casino activities would agree with this evidence.

[AussieMat]

By default, loads of players don't consider the algo that powers any game, they only start considering that when they suspect something fishy with the winning system, maybe if a particular strategy always gets the reward or a particular region, globally.

Only an insignificant percentage of players consider the algo behind these games they play as they are wired to respond to logical reasoning than the regular joe does.

Disagree on this, dont' know if I am an exception but I've always thought I belong to the average gambler Joe but thefirst thing I check, after discovering its existence thanks to this forum, before playing a game is if it's a provably fair one. I almost only play games where such systems are implemented because I feel assured in this way.
  

I also think that quite a few players are interested in testing the provably fair algorithm.  But, of course, such actions are done by already quite experienced players and those people who are interested in how the games in this casino generally work and how it works.  Novice players may not even know about the existence of this algorithm.  

OP here above claims that he invented a unique method and all existing ones are outdated and they are complex and cumbersome.  This is a serious statement, and it certainly requires proof.  Moreover, such evidence that even experts in matters of casino activities would agree with this evidence.

Players accusing casino of « scam » when they lose, especially in the online world, while true in a few cases, is mostly a misconception. That might still hurt honest online casinos though to profit landbased ones. With my system, it’s going to become much harder from now on to say « scam, scam »

This offer is still ongoing and I am always available to be contacted. If you think you can make a deal with me please contact.

I have edited my original post, because I am no longer asking to be an advisor. I think that’s not relevant for the service I can offer.

[delfastTions]

Players accusing casino of « scam » when they lose, especially in the online world, while true in a few cases, is mostly a misconception. That might still hurt honest online casinos though to profit landbased ones. With my system, it’s going to become much harder from now on to say « scam, scam »

This offer is still ongoing and I am always available to be contacted. If you think you can make a deal with me please contact.

I have edited my original post, because I am no longer asking to be an advisor. I think that’s not relevant for the service I can offer.

Here many have already written to you that just such a topic opened on our forum can hardly help you somehow promote your invention, even if it really has some value and can be described as innovative.  In my opinion, it would be more correct to try directly contacting the support of different casinos and informing the employees about your offer.  According to statistics, one out of thirty or forty such requests may be of direct interest to those casino managers who actually make decisions on the development of their business. 

Have you made such requests?

[AussieMat]

Players accusing casino of « scam » when they lose, especially in the online world, while true in a few cases, is mostly a misconception. That might still hurt honest online casinos though to profit landbased ones. With my system, it’s going to become much harder from now on to say « scam, scam »

This offer is still ongoing and I am always available to be contacted. If you think you can make a deal with me please contact.

I have edited my original post, because I am no longer asking to be an advisor. I think that’s not relevant for the service I can offer.

Here many have already written to you that just such a topic opened on our forum can hardly help you somehow promote your invention, even if it really has some value and can be described as innovative.  In my opinion, it would be more correct to try directly contacting the support of different casinos and informing the employees about your offer.  According to statistics, one out of thirty or forty such requests may be of direct interest to those casino managers who actually make decisions on the development of their business. 

Have you made such requests?

Yes I have. But this forum post was of help as well. At least as of now I can say I was able to defend my case in front of some very fine names in the industry, because of this post. I was ignored in some cases, I had interesting conversations in others, but I can say I am doing my best.

[khaled0111]

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Not sure but since OP has opened this topic more than two months ago and, apparently, he has contacted some casinos privately and no one, till this date, has expressed their interest in adopting or financing his project says much.
OP, if you have a revolutionary idea or a revolutionary formula then there are many ways to protect it against intellectual theft, if this is what you are worried about. No one is going to make a deal with you before you show them what you have to offer. Just think about it.

[AussieMat]

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Not sure but since OP has opened this topic more than two months ago and, apparently, he has contacted some casinos privately and no one, till this date, has expressed their interest in adopting or financing his project says much.
OP, if you have a revolutionary idea or a revolutionary formula then there are many ways to protect it against intellectual theft, if this is what you are worried about. No one is going to make a deal with you before you show them what you have to offer. Just think about it.

I’ve consulted many lawyers: systems and ideas cannot be protected. I’ll get the credit for it, but they wouldn’t need my permission to implement it. But I am not looking to take credit, I am looking to sell it. They need to make some commitment before I get to reveal it, such as making payment if they want to use it. If not, I’ll be upset, but maybe also it’s God’s will and something not for my own good. I am a humble person in general and I am happy living a humble life. Riches would be an extra gift.

[Dunamisx]

I don't know how true or real this could be, but can OP really be a problem ever in this regard, solving the problems of provable games, if this have been ever solved completely then we may not have any reason of having discussions about gambling or other forms of games because all their challenges would have been dealt with already, but things aren't as we thought they were, but we all try out best to manage gambling to our own personal satisfaction despite the complexity.

[delfastTions]

The issue of copyright protection for even a brilliant inventor is quite important.  And maintaining the opportunity to receive the royalties and remunerations due to him for this invention. 
If earlier, about 50 years ago, patent law was still in force and copyright protection was at a good level.  And now, it seems to me, there are no effective methods left for protecting copyright because in the courts it is impossible to prove authorship if, for example, someone stole an invention and slightly changed it.  For example, if someone who stole an invention slightly changed the program code.  This is truly an insoluble problem if the invention begins to be used by some kind of corporation, and there is simply no point in suing it if you do not have a million dollars for possible legal costs.  Anyone understands that you can run into serious trouble. 
Only guaranteed and really good option to get something significant from your invention is to try to do something like what Satoshi Nakamoto did with the invention of BTC.

[AussieMat]

The issue of copyright protection for even a brilliant inventor is quite important.  And maintaining the opportunity to receive the royalties and remunerations due to him for this invention. 
If earlier, about 50 years ago, patent law was still in force and copyright protection was at a good level.  And now, it seems to me, there are no effective methods left for protecting copyright because in the courts it is impossible to prove authorship if, for example, someone stole an invention and slightly changed it.  For example, if someone who stole an invention slightly changed the program code.  This is truly an insoluble problem if the invention begins to be used by some kind of corporation, and there is simply no point in suing it if you do not have a million dollars for possible legal costs.  Anyone understands that you can run into serious trouble. 
Only guaranteed and really good option to get something significant from your invention is to try to do something like what Satoshi Nakamoto did with the invention of BTC.

This has some sense. In addition, my innovation is not even to be considered an invention, it’s like a math algorithm. It can’t be patented. Although good news is it would be clear if the casino has implemented it or not, so I would sue them if they don’t pay what we agreed upon in advance.

Now some casino personalities think I have to share my innovation and then “we’ll see later” how am I going to be rewarded. Not happening. If that means this would never be shared, or someone else from their own teams discovers it by himself, let it be, no problem.

[delfastTions]

The issue of copyright protection for even a brilliant inventor is quite important.  And maintaining the opportunity to receive the royalties and remunerations due to him for this invention. 
If earlier, about 50 years ago, patent law was still in force and copyright protection was at a good level.  And now, it seems to me, there are no effective methods left for protecting copyright because in the courts it is impossible to prove authorship if, for example, someone stole an invention and slightly changed it.  For example, if someone who stole an invention slightly changed the program code.  This is truly an insoluble problem if the invention begins to be used by some kind of corporation, and there is simply no point in suing it if you do not have a million dollars for possible legal costs.  Anyone understands that you can run into serious trouble. 
Only guaranteed and really good option to get something significant from your invention is to try to do something like what Satoshi Nakamoto did with the invention of BTC.

This has some sense. In addition, my innovation is not even to be considered an invention, it’s like a math algorithm. It can’t be patented. Although good news is it would be clear if the casino has implemented it or not, so I would sue them if they don’t pay what we agreed upon in advance.

Now some casino personalities think I have to share my innovation and then “we’ll see later” how am I going to be rewarded. Not happening. If that means this would never be shared, or someone else from their own teams discovers it by himself, let it be, no problem.

If you really invented some unique algorithm for checking provable fairness, then first of all you should try to find out whether you have repeated the discovery of some mathematician that was made earlier and perhaps somehow patented or described in some scientific matthematical publication  in printed or electronic form.  It may well be that your discovery, one of the brilliant mathematicians “discovered this invention” much earlier than you.  But if you were the first to make such a discovery, then you need to somehow indicate that you are the author of the invention.  And to do this, you still need to not offer casino representatives the use of an unfamiliar algorithm, the 100% reliability of which has not been proven, but perhaps, even for a small fee, you should simply publish a short article about this algorithm in a specialized scientific publication.  Only after this can you contact different casinos with your proposal to implement the algorithm, first for trial operation.  So I believe that this is the correct course of action for the inventor for his unique invention. 
Only in this way will it be possible to defend it in court in case of theft and unauthorized use in violation of copyright.

[AussieMat]

The issue of copyright protection for even a brilliant inventor is quite important.  And maintaining the opportunity to receive the royalties and remunerations due to him for this invention.  
If earlier, about 50 years ago, patent law was still in force and copyright protection was at a good level.  And now, it seems to me, there are no effective methods left for protecting copyright because in the courts it is impossible to prove authorship if, for example, someone stole an invention and slightly changed it.  For example, if someone who stole an invention slightly changed the program code.  This is truly an insoluble problem if the invention begins to be used by some kind of corporation, and there is simply no point in suing it if you do not have a million dollars for possible legal costs.  Anyone understands that you can run into serious trouble.  
Only guaranteed and really good option to get something significant from your invention is to try to do something like what Satoshi Nakamoto did with the invention of BTC.

This has some sense. In addition, my innovation is not even to be considered an invention, it’s like a math algorithm. It can’t be patented. Although good news is it would be clear if the casino has implemented it or not, so I would sue them if they don’t pay what we agreed upon in advance.

Now some casino personalities think I have to share my innovation and then “we’ll see later” how am I going to be rewarded. Not happening. If that means this would never be shared, or someone else from their own teams discovers it by himself, let it be, no problem.

If you really invented some unique algorithm for checking provable fairness, then first of all you should try to find out whether you have repeated the discovery of some mathematician that was made earlier and perhaps somehow patented or described in some scientific matthematical publication  in printed or electronic form.  It may well be that your discovery, one of the brilliant mathematicians “discovered this invention” much earlier than you.  But if you were the first to make such a discovery, then you need to somehow indicate that you are the author of the invention.  And to do this, you still need to not offer casino representatives the use of an unfamiliar algorithm, the 100% reliability of which has not been proven, but perhaps, even for a small fee, you should simply publish a short article about this algorithm in a specialized scientific publication.  Only after this can you contact different casinos with your proposal to implement the algorithm, first for trial operation.  So I believe that this is the correct course of action for the inventor for his unique invention.  
Only in this way will it be possible to defend it in court in case of theft and unauthorized use in violation of copyright.

As I have said before, unfortunately that is not possible, because this does not fall under the category of “invention” and so cannot be patented as such. If I were to publish it in a scientific journal I can, but then I would only get “the credit” for it, and nobody would need my permission to use it (I asked many lawyers).
But I am not looking to “get credit”, I am looking to sell my system. No prepayment is required, but I need to set a price for my system so previous agreements should be made before sharing my paper (I’ve written my paper). The payment would take place only if the casino wants to implement my system.

My offer is still available, please do not hesitate to contact me and let’s make a deal!! I truly believe the casino who will implement this will have a big advantage.

[Josefjix]

I don't know how true or real this could be, but can OP really be a problem ever in this regard, solving the problems of provable games, if this have been ever solved completely then we may not have any reason of having discussions about gambling or other forms of games because all their challenges would have been dealt with already, but things aren't as we thought they were, but we all try out best to manage gambling to our own personal satisfaction despite the complexity.

Our own satisfaction tend to be our ultimate goal and also becomes our biggest flex, knowing confidently you can deal with any problem. We all have one or two challenges that we're facing and some keep it to themselves while others believed in sharing the problems they're facing in the system, which later becomes easy to comprehend and also acquainted with the system. We discussed every realistic circumstances here, we deal with challenges and share problems together for the purpose to solved them without encountering any hinder actions.

[delfastTions]

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If you really invented some unique algorithm for checking provable fairness, then first of all you should try to find out whether you have repeated the discovery of some mathematician that was made earlier and perhaps somehow patented or described in some scientific matthematical publication  in printed or electronic form.  It may well be that your discovery, one of the brilliant mathematicians “discovered this invention” much earlier than you.  But if you were the first to make such a discovery, then you need to somehow indicate that you are the author of the invention.  And to do this, you still need to not offer casino representatives the use of an unfamiliar algorithm, the 100% reliability of which has not been proven, but perhaps, even for a small fee, you should simply publish a short article about this algorithm in a specialized scientific publication.  Only after this can you contact different casinos with your proposal to implement the algorithm, first for trial operation.  So I believe that this is the correct course of action for the inventor for his unique invention.  
Only in this way will it be possible to defend it in court in case of theft and unauthorized use in violation of copyright.

As I have said before, unfortunately that is not possible, because this does not fall under the category of “invention” and so cannot be patented as such. If I were to publish it in a scientific journal I can, but then I would only get “the credit” for it, and nobody would need my permission to use it (I asked many lawyers).
But I am not looking to “get credit”, I am looking to sell my system. No prepayment is required, but I need to set a price for my system so previous agreements should be made before sharing my paper (I’ve written my paper). The payment would take place only if the casino wants to implement my system.

My offer is still available, please do not hesitate to contact me and let’s make a deal!! I truly believe the casino who will implement this will have a big advantage.

It is clear that you assume that the algorithm you have created is some kind of valuable invention and you want to receive money for it, which can be called royalties.  This desire is understandable and fair and there is no point in criticizing you for this desire, much less reproaching you. 

However, even if you find some casino where its managers want to try using your algorithm, and you provide them with your invention, there is still the option that, having tried to use the algorithm, they will then tell you that your invention is not suitable and can  maybe they will just pay you a little money “for the presentation”.  And then they will tell you that they are not interested in the algorithm.  But in fact, this casino will decide to secretly implement it and you will not know about it.  I understand that this is theft, but this also happens.  And the likelihood of such a development of events is high since you do not have any serious legal protection.  And from such a case you can no longer insure yourself. 

So in your situation, I don’t understand how you can really make a lot of money from such an invention.

[AussieMat]

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If you really invented some unique algorithm for checking provable fairness, then first of all you should try to find out whether you have repeated the discovery of some mathematician that was made earlier and perhaps somehow patented or described in some scientific matthematical publication  in printed or electronic form.  It may well be that your discovery, one of the brilliant mathematicians “discovered this invention” much earlier than you.  But if you were the first to make such a discovery, then you need to somehow indicate that you are the author of the invention.  And to do this, you still need to not offer casino representatives the use of an unfamiliar algorithm, the 100% reliability of which has not been proven, but perhaps, even for a small fee, you should simply publish a short article about this algorithm in a specialized scientific publication.  Only after this can you contact different casinos with your proposal to implement the algorithm, first for trial operation.  So I believe that this is the correct course of action for the inventor for his unique invention.  
Only in this way will it be possible to defend it in court in case of theft and unauthorized use in violation of copyright.

As I have said before, unfortunately that is not possible, because this does not fall under the category of “invention” and so cannot be patented as such. If I were to publish it in a scientific journal I can, but then I would only get “the credit” for it, and nobody would need my permission to use it (I asked many lawyers).
But I am not looking to “get credit”, I am looking to sell my system. No prepayment is required, but I need to set a price for my system so previous agreements should be made before sharing my paper (I’ve written my paper). The payment would take place only if the casino wants to implement my system.

My offer is still available, please do not hesitate to contact me and let’s make a deal!! I truly believe the casino who will implement this will have a big advantage.

It is clear that you assume that the algorithm you have created is some kind of valuable invention and you want to receive money for it, which can be called royalties.  This desire is understandable and fair and there is no point in criticizing you for this desire, much less reproaching you.  

However, even if you find some casino where its managers want to try using your algorithm, and you provide them with your invention, there is still the option that, having tried to use the algorithm, they will then tell you that your invention is not suitable and can  maybe they will just pay you a little money “for the presentation”.  And then they will tell you that they are not interested in the algorithm.  But in fact, this casino will decide to secretly implement it and you will not know about it.  I understand that this is theft, but this also happens.  And the likelihood of such a development of events is high since you do not have any serious legal protection.  And from such a case you can no longer insure yourself.  

So in your situation, I don’t understand how you can really make a lot of money from such an invention.

You are one of the few here who make comments that make sense.

It is correct that I can’t have serious legal protection, UNLESS, a PREVIOUS agreement takes place. So a lengthy and detailed agreement takes place, signed by both parties, about what happens IF the casino were to decide to use my system, and what happens if casino says it does not want to use it but still uses it.

The only point where you’re off, is that it wouldn’t be possible for them to use it without my knowledge, because it’s either on their website or it’s not. I can say I am lucky that the question of whether my system is being used could be easily answered by “yes” or “no” for any person with good intentions.

[delfastTions]

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If you really invented some unique algorithm for checking provable fairness, then first of all you should try to find out whether you have repeated the discovery of some mathematician that was made earlier and perhaps somehow patented or described in some scientific matthematical publication  in printed or electronic form.  It may well be that your discovery, one of the brilliant mathematicians “discovered this invention” much earlier than you.  But if you were the first to make such a discovery, then you need to somehow indicate that you are the author of the invention.  And to do this, you still need to not offer casino representatives the use of an unfamiliar algorithm, the 100% reliability of which has not been proven, but perhaps, even for a small fee, you should simply publish a short article about this algorithm in a specialized scientific publication.  Only after this can you contact different casinos with your proposal to implement the algorithm, first for trial operation.  So I believe that this is the correct course of action for the inventor for his unique invention.  
Only in this way will it be possible to defend it in court in case of theft and unauthorized use in violation of copyright.

As I have said before, unfortunately that is not possible, because this does not fall under the category of “invention” and so cannot be patented as such. If I were to publish it in a scientific journal I can, but then I would only get “the credit” for it, and nobody would need my permission to use it (I asked many lawyers).
But I am not looking to “get credit”, I am looking to sell my system. No prepayment is required, but I need to set a price for my system so previous agreements should be made before sharing my paper (I’ve written my paper). The payment would take place only if the casino wants to implement my system.

My offer is still available, please do not hesitate to contact me and let’s make a deal!! I truly believe the casino who will implement this will have a big advantage.

It is clear that you assume that the algorithm you have created is some kind of valuable invention and you want to receive money for it, which can be called royalties.  This desire is understandable and fair and there is no point in criticizing you for this desire, much less reproaching you.  

However, even if you find some casino where its managers want to try using your algorithm, and you provide them with your invention, there is still the option that, having tried to use the algorithm, they will then tell you that your invention is not suitable and can  maybe they will just pay you a little money “for the presentation”.  And then they will tell you that they are not interested in the algorithm.  But in fact, this casino will decide to secretly implement it and you will not know about it.  I understand that this is theft, but this also happens.  And the likelihood of such a development of events is high since you do not have any serious legal protection.  And from such a case you can no longer insure yourself.  

So in your situation, I don’t understand how you can really make a lot of money from such an invention.

You are one of the few here who make comments that make sense.

It is correct that I can’t have serious legal protection, UNLESS, a PREVIOUS agreement takes place. So a lengthy and detailed agreement takes place, signed by both parties, about what happens IF the casino were to decide to use my system, and what happens if casino says it does not want to use it but still uses it.

The only point where you’re off, is that it wouldn’t be possible for them to use it without my knowledge, because it’s either on their website or it’s not. I can say I am lucky that the question of whether my system is being used could be easily answered by “yes” or “no” for any person with good intentions.

If I were the authorized casino managers, I would not sign some kind of big agreement that if your invention is accepted, then they are obliged to pay something in large amounts.  This is too risky if the algorithm is implemented and then, after some time, it turns out that it does not work correctly or has errors.  In this second big agreement, I see a very big problem for you. 
Do you think you can persuade at least one casino to sign such an agreement with serious financial obligations? 
Have you had any success in finding such a casino?